IS THE TARGET MAN BECOMING LESS EFFECTIVE???

We are all stating that we should be looking for a target man striker etc... but looking at the prem league this and last season, the teams without a target man have preformed better.. league position, goal scoring and assists etc...

playmakers such as , mata, silva, hazard, cazorla, coutinho, bale, walcott etc... are all using artistry and grace slowly shifting the premier league culture to a much less physical approach....

The diverse nature of the division, though, means there will always be a limit to the evolution. It’s what makes the Premier League so unique.


the top assists this season all come from the play makers and the only target man in there is rickie lambert suprisingly near the bottom with 6 assists.
as for goals from a target man again lambert is the stand out with 14 goals.. the other target men are no where to be seen... holt, carroll, crouch, fletcher zamora, pogrebneyak etc.. not making it into the top 15/20 in both lists.



So will kimbo etc.. be a key assist man and we see goals from maynard and campbell, or should we still be looking for a hold up target man striker??

which style will suit us best?? which formations are we going to play?

Style like Southampton. 3 creative attacking midfielders behind one strong centre forward. Always enjoy watching Southampton.

Style like Southampton. 3 creative attacking midfielders behind one strong centre forward. Always enjoy watching Southampton.

southampton are a good example of how to use the target man and have a read handful in lambert.. but theres not many others out there than can do the same and in some games they sometimes struggle when lambert was taken out of the equation.

its difficult to look at which direction to take... we are not going to be able to bring in quality playmakers like some of the above, but finding an effective target man striker is going to be just has hard.

I've got a feeling Malky might stick with Rudy!

I've got a feeling Malky might stick with Rudy!

In which case, we will be as good as down.

rudy wont be a starter...

rudy wont be a starter...

Lets hope he's nowhere near the first team.

Seriously though, apart from coming on to change a game etc. I hope we aren't seeing Rudy too much next season.

i think we may see rudy towards the end of a game to come in and try and cause problems in and around the box...

to be fair to rudy one of the best games he has ever had was agaisnt liverpool in the cc cup final...


we def need someone else though....

4-2-3-1 formation is the best for a target man.

Having developed him for the last two seasons, I can't see him now being bombed out
Malky doesn't seem to be that type of manager
I don't think he's a bad option for the last twenty, he's committed and tries to get his head on everything.

Having developed him for the last two seasons, I can't see him now being bombed out
Malky doesn't seem to be that type of manager
I don't think he's a bad option for the last twenty, he's committed and tries to get his head on everything.

Malky will be as ruthless as he needs to be. No time for sentiment in football. He's nowhere near the top 10 strikers in the championship, never mind the premiership.

I'd be committed and try to get my head on everything.. Doesn't make me good enough though!

Having developed him for the last two seasons, I can't see him now being bombed out
Malky doesn't seem to be that type of manager
I don't think he's a bad option for the last twenty, he's committed and tries to get his head on everything.

Malky will be as ruthless as he needs to be. No time for sentiment in football. He's nowhere near the top 10 strikers in the championship, never mind the premiership.

I'd be committed and try to get my head on everything.. Doesn't make me good enough though!

He's just offered McNaughton a new deal so there must be sentiment
Don't get me wrong we all know Rudy ain't the best
But my opinion is he'll be the Target man.

They say that Grant Holt 'maybe' available and I would love to see him here

Having developed him for the last two seasons, I can't see him now being bombed out
Malky doesn't seem to be that type of manager
I don't think he's a bad option for the last twenty, he's committed and tries to get his head on everything.

Malky will be as ruthless as he needs to be. No time for sentiment in football. He's nowhere near the top 10 strikers in the championship, never mind the premiership.

I'd be committed and try to get my head on everything.. Doesn't make me good enough though!

He's just offered McNaughton a new deal so there must be sentiment
Don't get me wrong we all know Rudy ain't the best
But my opinion is he'll be the Target man.

Why is that sentimental? He would have only offered a contract to someone if he feels they would benefit the team. Otherwise we would be offering McPhail a new contract too.

My opinion is that if we are using Rudy a lot next season, we will be back in the Championship at first attempt.

Having developed him for the last two seasons, I can't see him now being bombed out
Malky doesn't seem to be that type of manager
I don't think he's a bad option for the last twenty, he's committed and tries to get his head on everything.

Malky will be as ruthless as he needs to be. No time for sentiment in football. He's nowhere near the top 10 strikers in the championship, never mind the premiership.

I'd be committed and try to get my head on everything.. Doesn't make me good enough though!

He's just offered McNaughton a new deal so there must be sentiment
Don't get me wrong we all know Rudy ain't the best
But my opinion is he'll be the Target man.

Why is that sentimental? He would have only offered a contract to someone if he feels they would benefit the team. Otherwise we would be offering McPhail a new contract too.

My opinion is that if we are using Rudy a lot next season, we will be back in the Championship at first attempt.

So if we are relegated you will blame it all on Rudy if he plays a lot of games

Having developed him for the last two seasons, I can't see him now being bombed out
Malky doesn't seem to be that type of manager
I don't think he's a bad option for the last twenty, he's committed and tries to get his head on everything.

Malky will be as ruthless as he needs to be. No time for sentiment in football. He's nowhere near the top 10 strikers in the championship, never mind the premiership.

I'd be committed and try to get my head on everything.. Doesn't make me good enough though!

He's just offered McNaughton a new deal so there must be sentiment
Don't get me wrong we all know Rudy ain't the best
But my opinion is he'll be the Target man.

Why is that sentimental? He would have only offered a contract to someone if he feels they would benefit the team. Otherwise we would be offering McPhail a new contract too.



My opinion is that if we are using Rudy a lot next season, we will be back in the Championship at first attempt.

So you think McNaughton is a top class full back then?
I don't, the fans sing his name! New deal for him! You say no sentiment?

Having developed him for the last two seasons, I can't see him now being bombed out
Malky doesn't seem to be that type of manager
I don't think he's a bad option for the last twenty, he's committed and tries to get his head on everything.

Malky will be as ruthless as he needs to be. No time for sentiment in football. He's nowhere near the top 10 strikers in the championship, never mind the premiership.

I'd be committed and try to get my head on everything.. Doesn't make me good enough though!

He's just offered McNaughton a new deal so there must be sentiment
Don't get me wrong we all know Rudy ain't the best
But my opinion is he'll be the Target man.

Why is that sentimental? He would have only offered a contract to someone if he feels they would benefit the team. Otherwise we would be offering McPhail a new contract too.



My opinion is that if we are using Rudy a lot next season, we will be back in the Championship at first attempt.

So you think McNaughton is a top class full back then?
I don't, the fans sing his name! New deal for him! You say no sentiment?

Having developed him for the last two seasons, I can't see him now being bombed out
Malky doesn't seem to be that type of manager
I don't think he's a bad option for the last twenty, he's committed and tries to get his head on everything.

Malky will be as ruthless as he needs to be. No time for sentiment in football. He's nowhere near the top 10 strikers in the championship, never mind the premiership.

I'd be committed and try to get my head on everything.. Doesn't make me good enough though!

He's just offered McNaughton a new deal so there must be sentiment
Don't get me wrong we all know Rudy ain't the best
But my opinion is he'll be the Target man.

Why is that sentimental? He would have only offered a contract to someone if he feels they would benefit the team. Otherwise we would be offering McPhail a new contract too.



My opinion is that if we are using Rudy a lot next season, we will be back in the Championship at first attempt.

So you think McNaughton is a top class full back then?
I don't, the fans sing his name! New deal for him! You say no sentiment?

I think he will be a fantastic back up as he can play LB, RB & CB. Useful to have around the squad. Nothing sentimental about it. So what if the fans sing his name? I don't see Malky singing it...

So if we are relegated you will blame it all on Rudy if he plays a lot of games

Where did I say that?

No, I said that if we are using Rudy a lot, it means we will have not strengthened sufficiently and therefore would be relegated.

The blame would, therefore, lay at the manager's door.

Having developed him for the last two seasons, I can't see him now being bombed out
Malky doesn't seem to be that type of manager
I don't think he's a bad option for the last twenty, he's committed and tries to get his head on everything.

Malky will be as ruthless as he needs to be. No time for sentiment in football. He's nowhere near the top 10 strikers in the championship, never mind the premiership.

I'd be committed and try to get my head on everything.. Doesn't make me good enough though!

He's just offered McNaughton a new deal so there must be sentiment
Don't get me wrong we all know Rudy ain't the best
But my opinion is he'll be the Target man.

Why is that sentimental? He would have only offered a contract to someone if he feels they would benefit the team. Otherwise we would be offering McPhail a new contract too.



My opinion is that if we are using Rudy a lot next season, we will be back in the Championship at first attempt.

So you think McNaughton is a top class full back then?
I don't, the fans sing his name! New deal for him! You say no sentiment?

I think he will be a fantastic back up as he can play LB, RB & CB. Useful to have around the squad. Nothing sentimental about it. So what if the fans sing his name? I don't see Malky singing it...

Useful around the squad is the biggest sentiment there is!
You'd be happy with him filling in at CB, up against van persie, torres, Suarez would you?

Useful around the squad is the biggest sentiment there is!
You'd be happy with him filling in at CB, up against van persie, torres, Suarez would you?

How is him being useful around the squad a sentiment? What a load of garbage!

He's great back up for either LB or RB - it's a bonus that he can play CB too, not that I'd be too happy about seeing him there. I'd struggle to find another backup player that would be so flexible.

Nothing at all sentimental about that.

I think you need to look up the definition of sentiment.

Having developed him for the last two seasons, I can't see him now being bombed out
Malky doesn't seem to be that type of manager
I don't think he's a bad option for the last twenty, he's committed and tries to get his head on everything.

Malky will be as ruthless as he needs to be. No time for sentiment in football. He's nowhere near the top 10 strikers in the championship, never mind the premiership.

I'd be committed and try to get my head on everything.. Doesn't make me good enough though!

He's just offered McNaughton a new deal so there must be sentiment
Don't get me wrong we all know Rudy ain't the best
But my opinion is he'll be the Target man.

Why is that sentimental? He would have only offered a contract to someone if he feels they would benefit the team. Otherwise we would be offering McPhail a new contract too.

My opinion is that if we are using Rudy a lot next season, we will be back in the Championship at first attempt.

This is where you said it Chucks

Having developed him for the last two seasons, I can't see him now being bombed out
Malky doesn't seem to be that type of manager
I don't think he's a bad option for the last twenty, he's committed and tries to get his head on everything.

Malky will be as ruthless as he needs to be. No time for sentiment in football. He's nowhere near the top 10 strikers in the championship, never mind the premiership.

I'd be committed and try to get my head on everything.. Doesn't make me good enough though!

He's just offered McNaughton a new deal so there must be sentiment
Don't get me wrong we all know Rudy ain't the best
But my opinion is he'll be the Target man.

Why is that sentimental? He would have only offered a contract to someone if he feels they would benefit the team. Otherwise we would be offering McPhail a new contract too.

My opinion is that if we are using Rudy a lot next season, we will be back in the Championship at first attempt.

This is where you said it Chucks

I don't see me blaming Rudy there. I said if we used him a lot, we would be down straight away. This is because I feel he isn't good enough. If we are using him then we won't have a strong enough squad to compete and will be relegated.

This will be the manager's fault for not strengthening enough.

Quite simple to understand for most.

Having developed him for the last two seasons, I can't see him now being bombed out
Malky doesn't seem to be that type of manager
I don't think he's a bad option for the last twenty, he's committed and tries to get his head on everything.

Malky will be as ruthless as he needs to be. No time for sentiment in football. He's nowhere near the top 10 strikers in the championship, never mind the premiership.

I'd be committed and try to get my head on everything.. Doesn't make me good enough though!

He's just offered McNaughton a new deal so there must be sentiment
Don't get me wrong we all know Rudy ain't the best
But my opinion is he'll be the Target man.

Why is that sentimental? He would have only offered a contract to someone if he feels they would benefit the team. Otherwise we would be offering McPhail a new contract too.

My opinion is that if we are using Rudy a lot next season, we will be back in the Championship at first attempt.

This is where you said it Chucks

I don't see me blaming Rudy there. I said if we used him a lot, we would be down straight away. This is because I feel he isn't good enough. If we are using him then we won't have a strong enough squad to compete and will be relegated.

This will be the manager's fault for not strengthening enough.

Quite simple to understand for most.

Where did you say about not having a squad to compete, you just said about Rudy.

Useful around the squad is the biggest sentiment there is!
You'd be happy with him filling in at CB, up against van persie, torres, Suarez would you?

How is him being useful around the squad a sentiment? What a load of garbage!

He's great back up for either LB or RB - it's a bonus that he can play CB too, not that I'd be too happy about seeing him there. I'd struggle to find another backup player that would be so flexible.

Nothing at all sentimental about that.

I think you need to look up the definition of sentiment.

Offering him a new deal because he's a utility man and good around the squad isn't being ruthless,
We need a lot better than him!

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Where did you say about not having a squad to compete, you just said about Rudy.

Stop digging. You were wrong & you know it. I used him as an EXAMPLE as he was the one being discussed. Quite simple, even to the academically challenged.

If Rudy is going to be a major part of our squad next season, we will go down as it means the squad will not be good enough to compete.

Surely that's simple enough to understand, even for you.

Useful around the squad is the biggest sentiment there is!
You'd be happy with him filling in at CB, up against van persie, torres, Suarez would you?

How is him being useful around the squad a sentiment? What a load of garbage!

He's great back up for either LB or RB - it's a bonus that he can play CB too, not that I'd be too happy about seeing him there. I'd struggle to find another backup player that would be so flexible.

Nothing at all sentimental about that.

I think you need to look up the definition of sentiment.

Offering him a new deal because he's a utility man and good around the squad isn't being ruthless,
We need a lot better than him!

Offering him a new deal because he will be a useful player to be on our bench is a perfect reason to give him a new deal...


Yes, we need better than him, but that's the whole point - he's going to be back up. The players in front of him WILL be better...

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Where did you say about not having a squad to compete, you just said about Rudy.

Stop digging. You were wrong & you know it. I used him as an EXAMPLE as he was the one being discussed. Quite simple, even to the academically challenged.

If Rudy is going to be a major part of our squad next season, we will go down as it means the squad will not be good enough to compete.

Surely that's simple enough to understand, even for you.

You didn't put it in writing Chucks, so you were wrong just admit it for once. Now it's down in writing we don't have a problem, but in the first place it wasn't, now that has got to be simple enough for even you to understand

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Where did you say about not having a squad to compete, you just said about Rudy.

Stop digging. You were wrong & you know it. I used him as an EXAMPLE as he was the one being discussed. Quite simple, even to the academically challenged.

If Rudy is going to be a major part of our squad next season, we will go down as it means the squad will not be good enough to compete.

Surely that's simple enough to understand, even for you.

You didn't put it in writing Chucks, so you were wrong just admit it for once. Now it's down in writing we don't have a problem, but in the first place it wasn't, now that has got to be simple enough for even you to understand

Rudy was being discussed, so I used him as an example. Simple enough, even for brain dead people to understand. I wasn't wrong, you were. Jumping on my posts AGAIN & making silly assumptions.

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