Trust urges Tan to return to blue

Cardiff City Supporters Trust have congratulated manager Malky Mackay and his squad on their Premier League promotion but have demanded a return to the traditional blue kit after a fans' survey.



After they polled 700 Bluebirds supporters, the trust have asked for action as more than 86 per cent disagreed with owner Vincent Tan's controversial rebrand from blue to red last summer.

A CCST statement, issued today, said: "The Trust would like to congratulate manager Malky Mackay and all Cardiff City players on their success in winning promotion to the Premier League and clinching the Championship title. It is a fantastic achievement.

"The financial support of Tan Sri Vincent Tan, our Malaysian owner, has also been absolutely crucial in the club achieving a dream many of us thought that we would never see.

"We believe it is important at this time to ensure that everyone is pulling in the same direction and that there is a strong sense of unity after such a momentous period in the club’s history.

"Our recent fans’ survey showed a clear majority did not want to see any further branding changes such as removing the Bluebird from the club crest or changing the name of the club in any way.

"We are very pleased that Mr Tan has given a very clear commitment to the media that there will no further rebranding, including no change to the name of the club with the Bluebird also remaining on the club’s crest. This is excellent news as we believe any further major rebranding would be unnecessary and create further disharmony among supporters.

"The Trust believes it is important that there is a period of stability as we enter very exciting times for the club and its supporters.

"The fans’ survey also showed strong support for a return to the traditional blue kit when we play at the Cardiff City Stadium.

"History and tradition are very important to many Bluebirds supporters while appreciating the club has to move forward.

"We urge Mr Tan to seriously consider returning the first team home kit to blue at the earliest opportunity with red becoming the away kit. We are sure if that were to happen it would be warmly welcomed by an overwhelming majority of supporters.

"Once again, congratulations to Cardiff City on their promotion."



A total of 83% of the 700 supporters who responded to the poll of Trust members and non-members urged the Trust to focus on getting more information on the club’s future plans.

Almost 60% of supporters believe the Trust should oppose the controversial rebranding with another 26.5% disagreeing with rebrand but still accepting it. Outright support for the rebrand was 15%.

While more than 70% of respondents want the Trust to lobby the club for a compromise kit and to work with members to suggest or approve a new design.

Tim Hartley, chair of Cardiff City Supporters’ Trust, said: “The results show clearly that ordinary fans want a proper dialogue with the club. Shareholders in the club, which include the Trust, have also not been consulted.

“As the only democratic voice of fans we are disappointed that our last meeting with the then club chairman was two-and-a-half years ago. We have written to the chief executive requesting a meeting with supporters, but have been told this will not happen until the season is over.

“The results of the survey, as it relates to rebranding, indicates continuing disquiet to the changes, although a sizeable number of fans have reluctantly accepted it.”

“The results will be presented to members and then reviewed by the Trust board to make sure that all points raised are properly considered and the appropriate action plan put in place. The Trust has also offered to present these findings in full to the club.”

Trust board member Jon Day, who organised the survey, added: “We’d like to thank both Trust and non-Trust members for taking the time to fill out the survey.

“We look forward to having the opportunity to share these results with the club and considering ways of getting the fans’ voice heard in any changes at the club which affect them. Dialogue is crucial.

“While we have been watching some great football and are top of the League there is unease at the way fans have been treated. The club needs to work with its fans.”

Other key results:

A total of 36.1% of fans believe the past 12 months have been disappointing – even though the Bluebirds top the Championship. A total of 55.9% say it is either the best 12 months or better than average.

There was a mixed reaction to club’s dynamic ticket pricing with fans marginally backing the initiative.

Top two issues the Trust is urged to focus on are getting more information on the club’s plans and lobbying for safe standing.

Trust members want the Trust to buy more shares in the club and support events in the community.

More than 88% of Trust members believe the current membership fee at just £12 a year is about right.

A total of 61.7% of fans (67.5% among Trust members) are happy with the way the Trust has performed over the last year.

Nearly two-thirds of respondents highlighted the Trust’s work to complete the Fred Keenor statue as the most significant Trust achievement over the past year.

still dont think it will make any difference

I still don't see and never have seen the reason for a Trust at our club? A Trust, should only be in place when clubs have gone into admin, only when it becomes that desperate is when the supporters really become important and a mobilised fan base has teeth and can influence the running of the club with future owners. We never got to that stage, so it never should have been formed. At present, it does not represent the views of the majority of the clubs supporters. I would imagine they have no more than 500 members which says it all.

So it's not actually 83% of seven hundred members, is it similar to the last poll where around two hundred members voted, if so that would mean 166 members voted against it.

Can't see that rocking the Vincent Tan boat off it's course.

700 people responded (both members and non-members)

700 people responded (both members and non-members)

Good on the trust for having principles and persisting with a worthy cause

I still don't see and never have seen the reason for a Trust at our club? A Trust, should only be in place when clubs have gone into admin, only when it becomes that desperate is when the supporters really become important and a mobilised fan base has teeth and can influence the running of the club with future owners. We never got to that stage, so it never should have been formed. At present, it does not represent the views of the majority of the clubs supporters. I would imagine they have no more than 500 members which says it all.

kNo pointz in a fanz voice mun, owners knows what der doin ffs. no more trustz ya get me blad? kNo point.

What a waste of time & effort

The Trust have no mandate, they have lost so many members the have to ask every supporter and still only about 700 replies.

our last few games there was over 25k there and 700 replied, do the maths.

If they think the can DEMAND, then they are more stupid than I thought.

good to see the trust finally saying something....

good to see the trust finally saying something....

agree we need to start somewhere

Sorry but it offends the people who really do like and want the red . Good on the Trust the only thing they have done and I have agreed with it.

Commend their effort but they should know its a waste of time.

spending time on a message board can be seen as a waste of time...

No point in a trust unless we've been in admin???

Wtf!

And what's the point in standing up for what we believe in?

What a great idea, lets just roll over and never stand up for our principles eh !!

No point in a trust unless we've been in admin???

Wtf!

And what's the point in standing up for what we believe in?

What a great idea, lets just roll over and never stand up for our principles eh !!

700 people responded (both members and non-members)

So 700 responded out of a registered fan data base of over 250,000, bet Tan is shitting himself.

700 people responded (both members and non-members)

So 700 responded out of a registered fan data base of over 250,000, bet Tan is shitting himself.

Do you want red or blue

The way I see it is I would sacrifice the prem to return to blue its just not the same for me anymore I actually cringe when i see the red kit I hate it so much .

The prem and promotion is great but it was tarnished with the rebrand and the fact that the trust have tried to measure the fans feelings is great .They cant get around 25k so the results from 700 is a start.

Red away Blue home its a no brainier for me .

The red is shit ask any other fan from any club and they wouldn't want to change the clubs colours, we have .

What I will say is through the season the red and the scarf thing grew on people but gradually the blue has started to be worn more and more .

The blues are going up was sung lots and when Tan come onto the pitch with the champ trophy a lot more than 700 sang we will always be blue.So do the math now then .Once a blue always a blue you can stick the red up your arse.

The way I see it is I would sacrifice the prem to return to blue its just not the same for me anymore I actually cringe when i see the red kit I hate it so much .

The prem and promotion is great but it was tarnished with the rebrand and the fact that the trust have tried to measure the fans feelings is great .They cant get around 25k so the results from 700 is a start.

Red away Blue home its a no brainier for me .

The red is shit ask any other fan from any club and they wouldn't want to change the clubs colours, we have .

What I will say is through the season the red and the scarf thing grew on people but gradually the blue has started to be worn more and more .

The blues are going up was sung lots and when Tan come onto the pitch with the champ trophy a lot more than 700 sang we will always be blue.So do the math now then .Once a blue always a blue you can stick the red up your arse.

good to see the trust finally saying something....

I agree fully.

I have slagged the Trust off countless times over the past 4 years for being absolutely hopeless by spending too much time on community projects and not enough on the average fan. It all dates back to the debacle over the march against Ridadale where they were so disjointed it was frankly embarrassing.

However, there now seems to some direction on the Trust Board and although the number of members are still low, you have to be fair and say at least they are trying.

Being realistic VT isn't going lose any sleep over the Trust's poll BUT it is a start and a very good start IMO and it gives us all something to build on.

Lobbying is the only way forward with regard to the rebrand and if the Trust can get on board with VT they might yet be able to find a way of getting the Blue shirt back.

Good luck to them I really hope they succeed.

700 fans, looks a bit embarrassing to be honest when we have 25000 turn up to a home game,tan will see it the same too.
Blue compromise on the red kit would be more realistic.
The trust demand? Who are these guys anyway I know loads of fellow bluebirds but not one who is part of the "trust" lol.

700 fans, looks a bit embarrassing to be honest when we have 25000 turn up to a home game,tan will see it the same too.
Blue compromise on the red kit would be more realistic.
The trust demand? Who are these guys anyway I know loads of fellow bluebirds but not one who is part of the "trust" lol.

Don't they base the TV viewing figures on a survey of 1000 people?

From that they work out that 7m watched the FA Cup Final, 10 million watched Dr Who and 16million saddos watched the X Factor .

700 is a fair proportion to survey out of 23000 regular home supporters if you compare it with the above.

good to see the trust finally saying something....

I agree fully.

I have slagged the Trust off countless times over the past 4 years for being absolutely hopeless by spending too much time on community projects and not enough on the average fan. It all dates back to the debacle over the march against Ridadale where they were so disjointed it was frankly embarrassing.

However, there now seems to some direction on the Trust Board and although the number of members are still low, you have to be fair and say at least they are trying.

Being realistic VT isn't going lose any sleep over the Trust's poll BUT it is a start and a very good start IMO and it gives us all something to build on.

Lobbying is the only way forward with regard to the rebrand and if the Trust can get on board with VT they might yet be able to find a way of getting the Blue shirt back.

Good luck to them I really hope they succeed.

Well said Tony but the trust do have an uphill task considering their history of basically being none existent over certain issues in the last few seasons. I certainly think this is a good time for them correct all of that.

as Vincent Tan says - Lucky Red

700 fans, looks a bit embarrassing to be honest when we have 25000 turn up to a home game,tan will see it the same too.
Blue compromise on the red kit would be more realistic.
The trust demand? Who are these guys anyway I know loads of fellow bluebirds but not one who is part of the "trust" lol.

Don't they base the TV viewing figures on a survey of 1000 people?

From that they work out that 7m watched the FA Cup Final, 10 million watched Dr Who and 16million saddos watched the X Factor .

700 is a fair proportion to survey out of 23000 regular home supporters if you compare it with the above.

I don't know about tv viewing figures but that's differant to football init, they should do a survey on every fan not just the trust, the trust doesn't really and shouldn't represent the fan base of cardiff city cos they are a minority and me or a lot of fans I know won't have a clue who the trust members are so it's a bit pointless in my opinion

700 fans, looks a bit embarrassing to be honest when we have 25000 turn up to a home game,tan will see it the same too.
Blue compromise on the red kit would be more realistic.
The trust demand? Who are these guys anyway I know loads of fellow bluebirds but not one who is part of the "trust" lol.

Don't they base the TV viewing figures on a survey of 1000 people?

From that they work out that 7m watched the FA Cup Final, 10 million watched Dr Who and 16million saddos watched the X Factor .

700 is a fair proportion to survey out of 23000 regular home supporters if you compare it with the above.

I don't know about tv viewing figures but that's differant to football init, they should do a survey on every fan not just the trust, the trust doesn't really and shouldn't represent the fan base of cardiff city cos they are a minority and me or a lot of fans I know won't have a clue who the trust members are so it's a bit pointless in my opinion

its a long overdue START.

700 fans, looks a bit embarrassing to be honest when we have 25000 turn up to a home game,tan will see it the same too.
Blue compromise on the red kit would be more realistic.
The trust demand? Who are these guys anyway I know loads of fellow bluebirds but not one who is part of the "trust" lol.

Don't they base the TV viewing figures on a survey of 1000 people?

From that they work out that 7m watched the FA Cup Final, 10 million watched Dr Who and 16million saddos watched the X Factor .

700 is a fair proportion to survey out of 23000 regular home supporters if you compare it with the above.

I don't know about tv viewing figures but that's differant to football init, they should do a survey on every fan not just the trust, the trust doesn't really and shouldn't represent the fan base of cardiff city cos they are a minority and me or a lot of fans I know won't have a clue who the trust members are so it's a bit pointless in my opinion

How do you reach every fan though? It's impossible. This survey was open to anybody, whether or not they were a trust member.

The club tried to do an online fan survey, but I'm guessing they binned the results before Tan could see them.

700 people responded (both members and non-members)

So 700 responded out of a registered fan data base of over 250,000, bet Tan is shitting himself.

Come off it Gwyn.

I am all for constructive and well reasoned criticism but , based on the constant negative nature of your posts and the deliberately inaccurate content which you contend to be fact you hardly come across in that manner.

In fact , you appear to be so deep in Vincent Tan`s pockets that , with the very high waistline he appears to prefer , you must be constantly touching his balls. Why are you so against democracy and the right of a group of people to express their opinions without fear of abuse or threats of violence etc.?

I notice you have never criticised the club for constantly refusing to ask the views of its database members that you are so keen to keep referring to (even though you know very well that the figure includes everyone that has ever bought even a single ticket ever for a CCFC game) , or even ask the views of its season ticket holders. You know full well (because you have been present when they have been asked) that the club has been asked to do so in order to get the views of a large percentage of its regular supporters but consistently refuse to do so.

If you are so adamant that you need large numbers of fans to have a meaningful poll result , why not support the call for the club to conduct such a poll , to be independently verified so that the results cannot be tampered with? Or do you feel that such support would impact adversely on your close relationship with certain club officials?

If you are so adamant that you need large numbers of fans to have a meaningful poll result , why not support the call for the club to conduct such a poll , to be independently verified so that the results cannot be tampered with? Or do you feel that such support would impact adversely on your close relationship with certain club officials?

And here lays the truth.