THE MEANING OF POTENTIAL

I made the mistake of posting a thread where I assumed most people understood the word potential.

For those missing the point and with a lack of understanding the meaning of the word should help you to understand,this is courtesy of a free on line dictionary and copied without their permission, but I'm sure they will forgive me.

POTENTIAL= . Capable of being but not yet in existence

I have stated they have a great history and track record and they are a team that consistently does well,they are a massive club, but does anyone genuinely see them taking it further than they have, personally I feel they have achieved miracles on a much smaller budget and spend then their main rivals.Unless I'm mistaken( hopeless on Stats, anyone know of a sad stato with records kept chronologically and alphabetical order, oops, wrong board) I think the last trophy Everton won was the FA Cup in 1994.

Can anyone see them improving on that without a huge cash injection, and if they had a huge cash injection, would it be better spend on building a new stadium and replacing the antiquated Goodison Park, or bringing in some expensive world class players and then rebuild the stadium later.

If you feel they are likely to improve on this years position, after replacing a manager who has achieved miracles then fair enough, but I think they will be very fortunate to do that, they have lost a manager who has possibly gone to one of the biggest club teams in the world, so he must be doing a good job.

So back to the word POTENTIAL, does anyone see them potentially improviong from where they are now, or simply maintaining the position they have acheived.
On the other hand, does anyone see Cardiff has having POTENTIAL to improve and where they are now, and yes I for one think they can, we have everything in place tom potentially improve our current position and status.

So, back to the point, if you were a manger such as Malky and were at a club with good POTENTIAL to improve, and possibly achieve more and grow accordingly, or risk going to a club, where simply maintaining the status quo would be amazing, but would it be seen as enough for the fans and board at that new club.

I know which one I would choose,but hey, as our friend Chuckles keeps saying "that's just my opinion"

Does anyone honestly see a new manager bettering Moyes's record at Everton unless they suddenly come up with large amounts of cash, which allegedly ain't there to splash anyway.

Most already know the meaning of the word, they just disagree with your view that we are potentially bigger than Everton.

why start a new thread on this?

the last one was titled "everton no bigger than us"

and thats bollocks.

why start a new thread on this?

the last one was titled "everton no bigger than us"

and thats bollocks.

With the first line asking the question "are they bigger than us in potential" and it still stands.

Can you see them having the potential to improve much, from where they are now, and if so how?

On the other hand, can you see us having the potential to improve our position from where we are now, and my opinion, is yes I can see us having more potential to improve.

Of course Everton could be bought out by some massive billionaire investor, and then potentially they could push on, but until then, I believe they will do well to stay as they are, especially with the risk of a new manager and all the possibilities that brings with it.

we only have potential becuase of where we are and have been in the league, while everton have been one of the top teams in the country for a long long time. Will they improve? probably not unless they start spending money. but as a club as a whole, we wont be overtaking them for a considerable amount of time, if ever.

Most already know the meaning of the word, they just disagree with your view that we are potentially bigger than Everton.

So the fact that we have a brand new stadium, a brand new purpose built training ground about to be announced, we are a Capital city with a local catchment are bigger than Everton, our nearest rivals (if we can call them that) are fifty miles away, there are millions of people with Welsh links spread about the world who will possibly take interest, we have a billionaire backer.
We also have links which are being expanded and pushed in the far East, and as many a manger has sated a media coverage and attention that is as good if not bigger than many so called bigger clubs.

Look at the two clubs, which one seems fresh and exciting with potential and which one seems dated and stale and living off past achievements.

Then look at the word potential again.

Gwyn, you should know better than to have a disagreement with chuckles as you simply cant win. You could claim this writing is in black and he'd argue otherwise.

Wait for the obligatory "opinion" spiel to reign down on you from sir chuckles' pedastal.

Most already know the meaning of the word, they just disagree with your view that we are potentially bigger than Everton.

So the fact that we have a brand new stadium, a brand new purpose built training ground about to be announced, we are a Capital city with a local catchment are bigger than Everton, our nearest rivals (if we can call them that) are fifty miles away, there are millions of people with Welsh links spread about the world who will possibly take interest, we have a billionaire backer.
We also have links which are being expanded and pushed in the far East, and as many a manger has sated a media coverage and attention that is as good if not bigger than many so called bigger clubs.

Look at the two clubs, which one seems fresh and exciting with potential and which one seems dated and stale and living off past achievements.

Then look at the word potential again.

You can push your opinion as much as you like, but just accept that people disagree with it. Instead, all you are doing is belittling people by accusing them of not knowing the meaning of the word you use.

If anyone is living off past glory, it's Cardiff more than most. 1927 & all that..

Look at the word history.

Then look at ours and then evertons.

Potentionally if we stay in the premier league for the next 51 years we might be as big as them.

You don't become a big club just because your in a Malaysian newspaper and have a stand expanded on your stadium.

Gwyn, your point is obvious and I for one mostly agree with it. I think even our own fans don't realise what a huge club CCFC could become.

Those who don't acknowledge it because:-

1. It looks arrogant
2. We might not make this potential and they'd look a fool.

The question of whether Malky will go will be intriguing. If he was offered the Everton job and turned it down it would say something MONUMENTAL about where this club is going.

Look at the word history.

Then look at ours and then evertons.

Potentionally if we stay in the premier league for the next 51 years we might be as big as them.

You don't become a big club just because your in a Malaysian newspaper and have a stand expanded on your stadium.

Who is the smallest club out of these:-

Everton, Chelsea & Man City.

Money and success has lifted Chelsea and Man City above Everton despite Everton's rich history, all in a couple of years.

Potential.

Look at the word history.

Then look at ours and then evertons.

Potentionally if we stay in the premier league for the next 51 years we might be as big as them.

You don't become a big club just because your in a Malaysian newspaper and have a stand expanded on your stadium.

Who is the smallest club out of these:-

Everton, Chelsea & Man City.

Money and success has lifted Chelsea and Man City above Everton despite Everton's rich history, all in a couple of years.

Potential.

No mate.

Not potential a billionaires plaything.

They could of bought barnet and made them win the champions league if they wanted.

I understand the meaning of potential Gwyn and in the case of Everton who have finished in the top 8 of the Premier League for the last 8 years for them to achieve thier potential they need to consistenly finish in the top 4.

Do they have the potential to do that Well they have done it once in the last 10 years so the answer has to be yes,although to do so they must take on clubs who have owners who will make VT look like a pauper.

In my opinion even with VT money to achieve our potential means anything from survival next season to establishing ourselves in the Premier League. Achieve that then we can talk about moving to the next level which would be breaking into the top 8 of the Premier League.

In reality that means moving to a level where we can challenge Liverpool, Everton, Spurs, Newcastle and Villa. Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea and Arsenal are at a completely different level.

Goodison Park may well be an old stadium but it does hold 40,000 and has a regular 36,000 average. Everton also have a state of the art £15m training base at Finch Farm which is matched by the likes of Liverpool, Spurs, Newcastle and Villa. We are still talking about building something similar but let's face it our current training facility looks like a council parks pitch in comparison.

I like so many others have waited a lifetime to watch us play at the top level but for me we will reach our potential next season, "If We Survive", as I believe that is possible.

Stay in the Premier League for 5 years and then maybe look at what our potential is, but moving to that next level will be as big a challenge as getting to the Premier League in the first place.


Just my opinion mate.

why start a new thread on this?

the last one was titled "everton no bigger than us"

and thats bollocks.

With the first line asking the question "are they bigger than us in potential" and it still stands.

Can you see them having the potential to improve much, from where they are now, and if so how?

On the other hand, can you see us having the potential to improve our position from where we are now, and my opinion, is yes I can see us having more potential to improve.

Of course Everton could be bought out by some massive billionaire investor, and then potentially they could push on, but until then, I believe they will do well to stay as they are, especially with the risk of a new manager and all the possibilities that brings with it.

TO be fair i can see your point as not so long ago the same could possibly have been said of Chelsea and Man City

Most already know the meaning of the word, they just disagree with your view that we are potentially bigger than Everton.

So the fact that we have a brand new stadium, a brand new purpose built training ground about to be announced, we are a Capital city with a local catchment are bigger than Everton, our nearest rivals (if we can call them that) are fifty miles away, there are millions of people with Welsh links spread about the world who will possibly take interest, we have a billionaire backer.
We also have links which are being expanded and pushed in the far East, and as many a manger has sated a media coverage and attention that is as good if not bigger than many so called bigger clubs.

Look at the two clubs, which one seems fresh and exciting with potential and which one seems dated and stale and living off past achievements.

Then look at the word potential again.

You can push your opinion as much as you like, but just accept that people disagree with it. Instead, all you are doing is belittling people by accusing them of not knowing the meaning of the word you use.

If anyone is living off past glory, it's Cardiff more than most. 1927 & all that..

Ah, so expressing an opinion is Ok, but PUSHING one is a different thing, please enlighten us.

And putting up the definition of a word to add to my case is seen as belittling, it's a strange blinkered one sided world you live in Chuck's.

Look at the word history.

Then look at ours and then evertons.

Potentionally if we stay in the premier league for the next 51 years we might be as big as them.

You don't become a big club just because your in a Malaysian newspaper and have a stand expanded on your stadium.

Who is the smallest club out of these:-

Everton, Chelsea & Man City.

Money and success has lifted Chelsea and Man City above Everton despite Everton's rich history, all in a couple of years.

Potential.

No mate.

Not potential a billionaires plaything.

They could of bought barnet and made them win the champions league if they wanted.

But they did it, so the potential was there with the right backing.

So if a billionaire took over Barnet they would have Champs League potential?

Why not Cardiff City and their billionaire owner Vincent Tan and his business plan of making us THE team in Asia and the huge potential fanbase in Wales also...?

Most already know the meaning of the word, they just disagree with your view that we are potentially bigger than Everton.

So the fact that we have a brand new stadium, a brand new purpose built training ground about to be announced, we are a Capital city with a local catchment are bigger than Everton, our nearest rivals (if we can call them that) are fifty miles away, there are millions of people with Welsh links spread about the world who will possibly take interest, we have a billionaire backer.
We also have links which are being expanded and pushed in the far East, and as many a manger has sated a media coverage and attention that is as good if not bigger than many so called bigger clubs.

Look at the two clubs, which one seems fresh and exciting with potential and which one seems dated and stale and living off past achievements.

Then look at the word potential again.

You can push your opinion as much as you like, but just accept that people disagree with it. Instead, all you are doing is belittling people by accusing them of not knowing the meaning of the word you use.

If anyone is living off past glory, it's Cardiff more than most. 1927 & all that..

Can you accept that people disagree with you?

Gwyn, you should know better than to have a disagreement with chuckles as you simply cant win. You could claim this writing is in black and he'd argue otherwise.

Wait for the obligatory "opinion" spiel to reign down on you from sir chuckles' pedastal.

without fail, 1 minute after you posted this too!

Yes, because it shows that you cannot accept that people have a differing opinion to you. Instead you act as if they are unintelligent and belittle them with your definitions.

Just accept that you have an opinion, which you are entitled to, but that people disagree with it.. (A lot of people, if you go by the posts in the previous thread.)

Yes, because it shows that you cannot accept that people have a differing opinion to you. Instead you act as if they are unintelligent and belittle them with your definitions.

Just accept that you have an opinion, which you are entitled to, but that people disagree with it.. (A lot of people, if you go by the posts in the previous thread.)

So Gywn is only allowed to make a point and not debate any alternative viewpoints?

Look at the word history.

Then look at ours and then evertons.

Potentionally if we stay in the premier league for the next 51 years we might be as big as them.

You don't become a big club just because your in a Malaysian newspaper and have a stand expanded on your stadium.

Who is the smallest club out of these:-

Everton, Chelsea & Man City.

Money and success has lifted Chelsea and Man City above Everton despite Everton's rich history, all in a couple of years.

Potential.

No mate.

Not potential a billionaires plaything.

They could of bought barnet and made them win the champions league if they wanted.

But they did it, so the potential was there with the right backing.

So if a billionaire took over Barnet they would have Champs League potential?

Why not Cardiff City and their billionaire owner Vincent Tan and his business plan of making us THE team in Asia and the huge potential fanbase in Wales also...?

Because they are much much richer then tan.

We are also not tans plaything he's already said we are a buisness

Look at the word history.

Then look at ours and then evertons.

Potentionally if we stay in the premier league for the next 51 years we might be as big as them.

You don't become a big club just because your in a Malaysian newspaper and have a stand expanded on your stadium.

Who is the smallest club out of these:-

Everton, Chelsea & Man City.

Money and success has lifted Chelsea and Man City above Everton despite Everton's rich history, all in a couple of years.

Potential.

No mate.

Not potential a billionaires plaything.

They could of bought barnet and made them win the champions league if they wanted.

But they did it, so the potential was there with the right backing.

So if a billionaire took over Barnet they would have Champs League potential?

Why not Cardiff City and their billionaire owner Vincent Tan and his business plan of making us THE team in Asia and the huge potential fanbase in Wales also...?

Because they are much much richer then tan.

We are also not tans plaything he's already said we are a buisness

But we're not just about the money for CCFC, we're about a genuine business plan to take advantage of the interest in football in the east with a team that appeals directly to them and also with PL football we can take advantage of the huge catchment area we have. With FFP coming in, we'll have a competitive advantage. Surely that's potential?

Yes, because it shows that you cannot accept that people have a differing opinion to you. Instead you act as if they are unintelligent and belittle them with your definitions.

Just accept that you have an opinion, which you are entitled to, but that people disagree with it.. (A lot of people, if you go by the posts in the previous thread.)

Of course I can accept that people have different opinions and fail to see how defining potential is clashing others as unintelligent


I have defined it to high light my point that potential is the future and not the past, no matter how successful yours is.
Whilst Everton have a good loyal hardcore fan base, they don' t atract a worldwide, or even a UK base fan base as do some of the other clubs, such as Liverpool, ManU, Chelsea and Arsenal etc, nor do they have the financial backing.

All the club's I have mentioned do have more potential than us at the moment, along with quite a few others I haven't mentioned, now if suddenly a Billionaire backer took them on, then, yes they to would have more potential than us because they are more established and have a head start.

But without that investment, I struggle to see them advancing much further than they have at present.

Now obviously to Chuckles, this is seen as me pushing my opinion, or even belittling others, but I'm sure lot's of others, whilst not agreeing with my opinion, can see it for what it is, and that is a debate regarding people's differing views and opinions, which is surely what message boards are for.

You aren't't forced to agree with me, and I'm not forced to agree with you.

People put points across and they can either help to change your views slightly, or even validate your current stance even more.

Why assume that people don't know the definition of potential then? That's pretty belittling, just because they don't agree with you.

Why assume that people don't know the definition of potential then? That's pretty belittling, just because they don't agree with you.

Not belittling, just pointing out the main point of the OP being potential, a lot of people have mis understood where I was coming from. Past achievements and records were not part of the message, it was the potential as in future growth and improvement, and nothing I have read has diluted my opinion, that we have more potential and scope to improve than Everton do, but that's all it is potential.

I think Everton will do superbly to emulate the achievements of this season, and in my humble opinion, there is more chance they will drop off the high spot they have reached without much larger investment.

Why assume that people don't know the definition of potential then? That's pretty belittling, just because they don't agree with you.

Bearing in mind the reaction to his post it was quite fair and reasonable for Gwyn to define his use of the word 'potential.'

As it happens Everton are skint in terms of potential for major financial investment and have effectively been on the market for years with no takers. Moyes has worked miracles to build his team on the cheap and keep them challenging.

I made the mistake of posting a thread where I assumed most people understood the word potential.

For those missing the point and with a lack of understanding the meaning of the word should help you to understand,this is courtesy of a free on line dictionary and copied without their permission, but I'm sure they will forgive me.

POTENTIAL= . Capable of being but not yet in existence

I have stated they have a great history and track record and they are a team that consistently does well,they are a massive club, but does anyone genuinely see them taking it further than they have, personally I feel they have achieved miracles on a much smaller budget and spend then their main rivals.Unless I'm mistaken( hopeless on Stats, anyone know of a sad stato with records kept chronologically and alphabetical order, oops, wrong board) I think the last trophy Everton won was the FA Cup in 1994.

Can anyone see them improving on that without a huge cash injection, and if they had a huge cash injection, would it be better spend on building a new stadium and replacing the antiquated Goodison Park, or bringing in some expensive world class players and then rebuild the stadium later.

If you feel they are likely to improve on this years position, after replacing a manager who has achieved miracles then fair enough, but I think they will be very fortunate to do that, they have lost a manager who has possibly gone to one of the biggest club teams in the world, so he must be doing a good job.

So back to the word POTENTIAL, does anyone see them potentially improviong from where they are now, or simply maintaining the position they have acheived.
On the other hand, does anyone see Cardiff has having POTENTIAL to improve and where they are now, and yes I for one think they can, we have everything in place tom potentially improve our current position and status.

So, back to the point, if you were a manger such as Malky and were at a club with good POTENTIAL to improve, and possibly achieve more and grow accordingly, or risk going to a club, where simply maintaining the status quo would be amazing, but would it be seen as enough for the fans and board at that new club.

I know which one I would choose,but hey, as our friend Chuckles keeps saying "that's just my opinion"

Does anyone honestly see a new manager bettering Moyes's record at Everton unless they suddenly come up with large amounts of cash, which allegedly ain't there to splash anyway.

What's that saying about stop digging when your in a hole? .......... Please stop Gwyn!

I made the mistake of posting a thread where I assumed most people understood the word potential.

For those missing the point and with a lack of understanding the meaning of the word should help you to understand,this is courtesy of a free on line dictionary and copied without their permission, but I'm sure they will forgive me.

POTENTIAL= . Capable of being but not yet in existence

I have stated they have a great history and track record and they are a team that consistently does well,they are a massive club, but does anyone genuinely see them taking it further than they have, personally I feel they have achieved miracles on a much smaller budget and spend then their main rivals.Unless I'm mistaken( hopeless on Stats, anyone know of a sad stato with records kept chronologically and alphabetical order, oops, wrong board) I think the last trophy Everton won was the FA Cup in 1994.

Can anyone see them improving on that without a huge cash injection, and if they had a huge cash injection, would it be better spend on building a new stadium and replacing the antiquated Goodison Park, or bringing in some expensive world class players and then rebuild the stadium later.

If you feel they are likely to improve on this years position, after replacing a manager who has achieved miracles then fair enough, but I think they will be very fortunate to do that, they have lost a manager who has possibly gone to one of the biggest club teams in the world, so he must be doing a good job.

So back to the word POTENTIAL, does anyone see them potentially improviong from where they are now, or simply maintaining the position they have acheived.
On the other hand, does anyone see Cardiff has having POTENTIAL to improve and where they are now, and yes I for one think they can, we have everything in place tom potentially improve our current position and status.

So, back to the point, if you were a manger such as Malky and were at a club with good POTENTIAL to improve, and possibly achieve more and grow accordingly, or risk going to a club, where simply maintaining the status quo would be amazing, but would it be seen as enough for the fans and board at that new club.

I know which one I would choose,but hey, as our friend Chuckles keeps saying "that's just my opinion"

Does anyone honestly see a new manager bettering Moyes's record at Everton unless they suddenly come up with large amounts of cash, which allegedly ain't there to splash anyway.

What's that saying about stop digging when your in a hole? .......... Please stop Gwyn!

That's great from a Jack who spends half his time in his sisters hole.

I made the mistake of posting a thread where I assumed most people understood the word potential.

For those missing the point and with a lack of understanding the meaning of the word should help you to understand,this is courtesy of a free on line dictionary and copied without their permission, but I'm sure they will forgive me.

POTENTIAL= . Capable of being but not yet in existence

I have stated they have a great history and track record and they are a team that consistently does well,they are a massive club, but does anyone genuinely see them taking it further than they have, personally I feel they have achieved miracles on a much smaller budget and spend then their main rivals.Unless I'm mistaken( hopeless on Stats, anyone know of a sad stato with records kept chronologically and alphabetical order, oops, wrong board) I think the last trophy Everton won was the FA Cup in 1994.

Can anyone see them improving on that without a huge cash injection, and if they had a huge cash injection, would it be better spend on building a new stadium and replacing the antiquated Goodison Park, or bringing in some expensive world class players and then rebuild the stadium later.

If you feel they are likely to improve on this years position, after replacing a manager who has achieved miracles then fair enough, but I think they will be very fortunate to do that, they have lost a manager who has possibly gone to one of the biggest club teams in the world, so he must be doing a good job.

So back to the word POTENTIAL, does anyone see them potentially improviong from where they are now, or simply maintaining the position they have acheived.
On the other hand, does anyone see Cardiff has having POTENTIAL to improve and where they are now, and yes I for one think they can, we have everything in place tom potentially improve our current position and status.

So, back to the point, if you were a manger such as Malky and were at a club with good POTENTIAL to improve, and possibly achieve more and grow accordingly, or risk going to a club, where simply maintaining the status quo would be amazing, but would it be seen as enough for the fans and board at that new club.

I know which one I would choose,but hey, as our friend Chuckles keeps saying "that's just my opinion"

Does anyone honestly see a new manager bettering Moyes's record at Everton unless they suddenly come up with large amounts of cash, which allegedly ain't there to splash anyway.

What's that saying about stop digging when your in a hole? .......... Please stop Gwyn!

That's great from a Jack who spends half his time in his sisters hole.

Oh your such a cad!

There is potential in all of us to make it big, you just have to think big to make it happen.

Whenever these threads come up I always think of Newcastle as a good yard stick. I can remember them playing in the old 2nd Division and getting crowds of 8,000 even though like us they were a regional powerhouse.

John Hall invested heavily in them and within a few years they were a Premiership power and Champions League qualifiers playing in front of 52,000.

They may have fallen from grace a little in the past few years, but by in large the support has stuck with them. They are by definition a BIG club.

I see no reason whatsoever why we couldn't match that if all the investment plans and stadium expansions eventually come to fruition.

As I said you have to think big to be big.