Agree to disagree and move on?

So we're champions after one hell of a season.

VT has shown a different side to him of late as Annis has said but remains adamant red remains.

So going into next season in a highly competitive league can we all unite behind Cardiff City FC?? Agree to disagree and respect each others views.

As a start can we have a seperate theme on the MB regarding rebrand and leave general chat to football chat?

Upward and onward.

We can still unite as fans and still fight for what you believe in. Those who want to wear blue should continue to do so.

We'll always be blue ,We'll always be blue We're Cardiff City We'll always be blue
I will be chanting this at every opportunity next season , but I wont abuse anyone for their views its their choice

Anyone else agree that rebrand issues should have own section in forum??

Disagree. Messageboards are all about different opinions.

This messageboard is for talking about all things relating to Cardiff City and the rebrand has been the most talked about Cardiff City related topic since it happened.

Anyone else agree that rebrand issues should have own section in forum??

There isn't a hope in hell of that happening and quite rightly to. The rebrand is one of the most important things ever to have happened to Cardiff City and it should be debated, time and again if necessary.

True, we and VT have different views on it - but people will always stand by their beliefs.

Don't think this is a situation where we can agree or disagree.

Don't think we should have an extra section for rebrand issues, either. It would open up a can of worms. People would then say we should have extra sections for Jacks, topics about the finances.. All sorts of things.

Fair point, And yes it would be good if we could, But lets be honest, Fans in red tops fans in Blue silent disgruntles undertones of be trail, City are up now so why don't everyone buy and ware Blue peaceful protest and still giving club shop financial support by purchasing the blue kit, or the yellow kit, but not the Manure kit. How stupid we will look chanting BlooooBirds and sporting Red tops, We will look like the most segregated and un-unified set of supporters ever to grace the Premiership period. Sad as fook that for all the achievements we go to the Prem with an identity crisis for all the world to see. How fkt up is that?

Fair point, And yes it would be good if we could, But lets be honest, Fans in red tops fans in Blue silent disgruntles undertones of be trail, City are up now so why don't everyone buy and ware Blue peaceful protest and still giving club shop financial support by purchasing the blue kit, or the yellow kit, but not the Manure kit. How stupid we will look chanting BlooooBirds and sporting Red tops, We will look like the most segregated and un-unified set of supporters ever to grace the Premiership period. Sad as fook that for all the achievements we go to the Prem with an identity crisis for all the world to see. How fkt up is that?

Blame Tan.

Disagree. Messageboards are all about different opinions.

This messageboard is for talking about all things relating to Cardiff City and the rebrand has been the most talked about Cardiff City related topic since it happened.

JonCCFC, I totally agree that Message Boards are all about 'different' opinions and you and I are Poles apart on some issues surrounding our beloved club; but (as you know) I do respect your right to have a say

You quote: "...the rebrand has been the most talked about Cardiff City related topic since it happened" and the unfortunate FACT is that you are 100% correct on that point and that is wholly what disappoints me at this time in our history

We have had a wonderful promotion winning season, bankrolled by a man with money and ambition (regardless of what some think despite not knowing him), record crowds, banishment of The Blues (and I don't mean the kit ) a superb manager and a team to be proud of

For us, it is the Premier League for next season and yet this 're-brand' is all that some want to talk about

It disappoints me hugely. Does it not you (even a little)?

Disagree. Messageboards are all about different opinions.

This messageboard is for talking about all things relating to Cardiff City and the rebrand has been the most talked about Cardiff City related topic since it happened.

JonCCFC, I totally agree that Message Boards are all about 'different' opinions and you and I are Poles apart on some issues surrounding our beloved club; but (as you know) I do respect your right to have a say

You quote: "...the rebrand has been the most talked about Cardiff City related topic since it happened" and the unfortunate FACT is that you are 100% correct on that point and that is wholly what disappoints me at this time in our history

We have had a wonderful promotion winning season, bankrolled by a man with money and ambition (regardless of what some think despite not knowing him), record crowds, banishment of The Blues (and I don't mean the kit ) a superb manager and a team to be proud of

For us, it is the Premier League for next season and yet this 're-brand' is all that some want to talk about

It disappoints me hugely. Does it not you (even a little)?

Identity is more important than success to a lot of our fans.

Disagree. Messageboards are all about different opinions.

This messageboard is for talking about all things relating to Cardiff City and the rebrand has been the most talked about Cardiff City related topic since it happened.

JonCCFC, I totally agree that Message Boards are all about 'different' opinions and you and I are Poles apart on some issues surrounding our beloved club; but (as you know) I do respect your right to have a say

You quote: "...the rebrand has been the most talked about Cardiff City related topic since it happened" and the unfortunate FACT is that you are 100% correct on that point and that is wholly what disappoints me at this time in our history

We have had a wonderful promotion winning season, bankrolled by a man with money and ambition (regardless of what some think despite not knowing him), record crowds, banishment of The Blues (and I don't mean the kit ) a superb manager and a team to be proud of

For us, it is the Premier League for next season and yet this 're-brand' is all that some want to talk about

It disappoints me hugely. Does it not you (even a little)?

Identity is more important than success to a lot of our fans.

Our identity is intact so long as the name remains and 'success' is surely the aim of any club? Otherwise, what is the point of their existence?

You could also argue existence is more important than colour?

Ive never understood this rubbish that we are stupid chanting bluebirds when we are in red. We used to chant it when we played in different colours pre rebrand and nobody batted an eyelid.

Disagree. Messageboards are all about different opinions.

This messageboard is for talking about all things relating to Cardiff City and the rebrand has been the most talked about Cardiff City related topic since it happened.

JonCCFC, I totally agree that Message Boards are all about 'different' opinions and you and I are Poles apart on some issues surrounding our beloved club; but (as you know) I do respect your right to have a say

You quote: "...the rebrand has been the most talked about Cardiff City related topic since it happened" and the unfortunate FACT is that you are 100% correct on that point and that is wholly what disappoints me at this time in our history

We have had a wonderful promotion winning season, bankrolled by a man with money and ambition (regardless of what some think despite not knowing him), record crowds, banishment of The Blues (and I don't mean the kit ) a superb manager and a team to be proud of

For us, it is the Premier League for next season and yet this 're-brand' is all that some want to talk about

It disappoints me hugely. Does it not you (even a little)?

Identity is more important than success to a lot of our fans.

Our identity is intact so long as the name remains and 'success' is surely the aim of any club? Otherwise, what is the point of their existence?

In one thread you claim you don't want to talk to Jon about this subject, then jump on his comment about it in here...

Our identity is a number of different things - by taking the shirt colour away and the bluebird from being dominant, those are 2 things which are part of the make up of our identity.

So yes, he has taken some of our identity and traditions.

It's not solely success that's part of it though, eh? If you just wanted success, you'd be supporting United or Barca or someone. Surely?

Our identity is intact so long as the name remains and 'success' is surely the aim of any club? Otherwise, what is the point of their existence?

I define identity not just with the name, but by 3 things:

Name: Cardiff City FC
Crest: The Bluebird (as the main feature)
Colours: Blue/White (with yellow trim)

2/3 of our identity has been destroyed

Our identity is intact so long as the name remains and 'success' is surely the aim of any club? Otherwise, what is the point of their existence?

I define identity not just with the name, but by 3 things:

Name: Cardiff City FC
Crest: The Bluebird (as the main feature)
Colours: Blue/White (with yellow trim)

2/3 of our identity has been destroyed

Can I ask, how old are you?

Our identity is intact so long as the name remains and 'success' is surely the aim of any club? Otherwise, what is the point of their existence?

I define identity not just with the name, but by 3 things:

Name: Cardiff City FC
Crest: The Bluebird (as the main feature)
Colours: Blue/White (with yellow trim)

2/3 of our identity has been destroyed

Can I ask, how old are you?

does that matter? 41

Our identity is intact so long as the name remains and 'success' is surely the aim of any club? Otherwise, what is the point of their existence?

I define identity not just with the name, but by 3 things:

Name: Cardiff City FC
Crest: The Bluebird (as the main feature)
Colours: Blue/White (with yellow trim)

2/3 of our identity has been destroyed

Can I ask, how old are you?

does that matter? 41

I ask because you say our identity is blue/white with yellow trim. Well apart from a couple of years in the 70's and a few years from 2007 to 2010 we never had yellow trim.

http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Cardiff ... f_City.htm

Our identity is intact so long as the name remains and 'success' is surely the aim of any club? Otherwise, what is the point of their existence?

I define identity not just with the name, but by 3 things:

Name: Cardiff City FC
Crest: The Bluebird (as the main feature)
Colours: Blue/White (with yellow trim)

2/3 of our identity has been destroyed

Can I ask, how old are you?

does that matter? 41

I ask because you say our identity is blue/white with yellow trim. Well apart from a couple of years in the 70's and a few years from 2007 to 2010 we never had yellow trim.

http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Cardiff ... f_City.htm

well, yellow was always like an unofficial 3rd colour, many of our away shirts were yellow, flags, scarves etc we had yellow incorporated... blue and white are our colours

Disagree. Messageboards are all about different opinions.

This messageboard is for talking about all things relating to Cardiff City and the rebrand has been the most talked about Cardiff City related topic since it happened.

JonCCFC, I totally agree that Message Boards are all about 'different' opinions and you and I are Poles apart on some issues surrounding our beloved club; but (as you know) I do respect your right to have a say

You quote: "...the rebrand has been the most talked about Cardiff City related topic since it happened" and the unfortunate FACT is that you are 100% correct on that point and that is wholly what disappoints me at this time in our history

We have had a wonderful promotion winning season, bankrolled by a man with money and ambition (regardless of what some think despite not knowing him), record crowds, banishment of The Blues (and I don't mean the kit ) a superb manager and a team to be proud of

For us, it is the Premier League for next season and yet this 're-brand' is all that some want to talk about

It disappoints me hugely. Does it not you (even a little)?

Identity is more important than success to a lot of our fans.

Our identity is intact so long as the name remains and 'success' is surely the aim of any club? Otherwise, what is the point of their existence?

In one thread you claim you don't want to talk to Jon about this subject, then jump on his comment about it in here...

Our identity is a number of different things - by taking the shirt colour away and the bluebird from being dominant, those are 2 things which are part of the make up of our identity.

So yes, he has taken some of our identity and traditions.

It's not solely success that's part of it though, eh? If you just wanted success, you'd be supporting United or Barca or someone. Surely?

Barca?? Hardly. I'm not a sychophant and I was (afterall) born in Cardiff, so that makes Cardiff City, erm, my local team and the one I have an affinity for

Our identity is intact so long as the name remains and 'success' is surely the aim of any club? Otherwise, what is the point of their existence?

I define identity not just with the name, but by 3 things:

Name: Cardiff City FC
Crest: The Bluebird (as the main feature)
Colours: Blue/White (with yellow trim)

2/3 of our identity has been destroyed

Can I ask, how old are you?

does that matter? 41

I ask because you say our identity is blue/white with yellow trim. Well apart from a couple of years in the 70's and a few years from 2007 to 2010 we never had yellow trim.

http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Cardiff ... f_City.htm

well, yellow was always like an unofficial 3rd colour, many of our away shirts were yellow, flags, scarves etc we had yellow incorporated... blue and white are our colours

Gordon Bennett!! Don't bring 'age' into it. One or two get very tetchy if you mention that...

Our identity is intact so long as the name remains and 'success' is surely the aim of any club? Otherwise, what is the point of their existence?

I define identity not just with the name, but by 3 things:

Name: Cardiff City FC
Crest: The Bluebird (as the main feature)
Colours: Blue/White (with yellow trim)

2/3 of our identity has been destroyed

Each to his/her own

But it is my personal opinion that (red apart) our club is still our club and I am happy to stay behind Malky and his team no matter what and (even though I would prefer to stay blue) I also appreciate what Vincent Tan has done for Cardiff City FC in the wider (and economical) sense

Given the choice of club or no club I don't have to think to hard to know which I'd prefer (red shirts or not)

sorry if that doesn't fit in with your negative agenda but that's how (in reality) it is

Our identity is intact so long as the name remains and 'success' is surely the aim of any club? Otherwise, what is the point of their existence?

I define identity not just with the name, but by 3 things:

Name: Cardiff City FC
Crest: The Bluebird (as the main feature)
Colours: Blue/White (with yellow trim)

2/3 of our identity has been destroyed

Can I ask, how old are you?

does that matter? 41

I ask because you say our identity is blue/white with yellow trim. Well apart from a couple of years in the 70's and a few years from 2007 to 2010 we never had yellow trim.

http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Cardiff ... f_City.htm

well, yellow was always like an unofficial 3rd colour, many of our away shirts were yellow, flags, scarves etc we had yellow incorporated... blue and white are our colours

We had many yellow away kit in the 90's

Our identity is intact so long as the name remains and 'success' is surely the aim of any club? Otherwise, what is the point of their existence?

I define identity not just with the name, but by 3 things:

Name: Cardiff City FC
Crest: The Bluebird (as the main feature)
Colours: Blue/White (with yellow trim)

2/3 of our identity has been destroyed

Can I ask, how old are you?

does that matter? 41

I ask because you say our identity is blue/white with yellow trim. Well apart from a couple of years in the 70's and a few years from 2007 to 2010 we never had yellow trim.

http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Cardiff ... f_City.htm

There is yellow in far more years than you state there Craig but dont let the facts get in the way

Disagree. Messageboards are all about different opinions.

This messageboard is for talking about all things relating to Cardiff City and the rebrand has been the most talked about Cardiff City related topic since it happened.

JonCCFC, I totally agree that Message Boards are all about 'different' opinions and you and I are Poles apart on some issues surrounding our beloved club; but (as you know) I do respect your right to have a say

You quote: "...the rebrand has been the most talked about Cardiff City related topic since it happened" and the unfortunate FACT is that you are 100% correct on that point and that is wholly what disappoints me at this time in our history

We have had a wonderful promotion winning season, bankrolled by a man with money and ambition (regardless of what some think despite not knowing him), record crowds, banishment of The Blues (and I don't mean the kit ) a superb manager and a team to be proud of

For us, it is the Premier League for next season and yet this 're-brand' is all that some want to talk about

It disappoints me hugely. Does it not you (even a little)?

Identity is more important than success to a lot of our fans.

Our identity is intact so long as the name remains and 'success' is surely the aim of any club? Otherwise, what is the point of their existence?

In one thread you claim you don't want to talk to Jon about this subject, then jump on his comment about it in here...

Our identity is a number of different things - by taking the shirt colour away and the bluebird from being dominant, those are 2 things which are part of the make up of our identity.

So yes, he has taken some of our identity and traditions.

It's not solely success that's part of it though, eh? If you just wanted success, you'd be supporting United or Barca or someone. Surely?

Barca?? Hardly. I'm not a sychophant and I was (afterall) born in Cardiff, so that makes Cardiff City, erm, my local team and the one I have an affinity for

Exactly my point. It's not just success, it's pride in your area etc.. The CCFC at the moment doesn't represent the area of Cardiff as I feel it used to... For me, Mainly because of the rebrand.

As I said, I find it strange that you say in one thread that you don't want to discuss it with Jon, then jump on his comments in this one.

Exactly my point. It's not just success, it's pride in your area etc.. The CCFC at the moment doesn't represent the area of Cardiff as I feel it used to... For me, Mainly because of the rebrand.

Cardiff City Football Club doesnt represent the area of Cardiff as it used to?

ive heard some crap before but that takes some beating!

Exactly my point. It's not just success, it's pride in your area etc.. The CCFC at the moment doesn't represent the area of Cardiff as I feel it used to... For me, Mainly because of the rebrand.

Cardiff City Football Club doesnt represent the area of Cardiff as it used to?

ive heard some crap before but that takes some beating!

Dancing dragons, Malaysian flags, the words Malaysia on the kit & a complete rebrand for the easten markets...

Yet the club couldn't be bothered to do anything for St. David's day....

I'd say it was a fair comment. It obviously still represents Cardiff (I never actually said it didn't ) yet, it doesn't AS MUCH AS IT USED TO (in my opinion )

Chuckles is winning this thread, somebody better call Swansealad

I will still continue to cheer the team on next season, like I did last season, but I will Never agree with the stripping of our identity and I will continue to talk about Blue, sing Blue songs, wear Blue polo T'shirts. etc etc etc.

" WERE CARDIFF CITY WE'LL ALWAYS BE BLUE "

I will still continue to cheer the team on next season, like I did last season, but I will Never agree with the stripping of our identity and I will continue to talk about Blue, sing Blue songs, wear Blue polo T'shirts. etc etc etc.

" WERE CARDIFF CITY WE'LL ALWAYS BE BLUE "

That song is going to take off next year.

It wont for one second change Tans mind but its a catchy litle old school style chant