Were the old days that good?

I started watching just before Sam came to the club. Moved here from the Midlands to go to uni, met my wife and got a 12 year old daughter who loves the football along with me. Both are committed Bluebirds.

Love the blue and against the change but if it means that much and those peoples saying rather blue in division 2. why were the crowds at Ninian park only 2 or 3 thousand during these blue periods?

Also what was the atmosphere like with only 2 or 3 thousand people at Ninian park. Was it really that good?

Ninian was gash 90% of the time. It could get mental during the massive games though.

Done the bad times, i wsnt my turn with the big boys now

With 2 - 3000 crowds probably not.

But been at Ninian Park with crowds of 8 - 10,000 and Atmosphere far in front of new stadium even when it's got 20,000 plus in it !

Before anyone says the Stadium was past it's sell by date, I totally agree, yes we did need a new stadium. What we didn't need was to lose our identity overnight and a stadium that's 50% full of a new breed of fan, who wouldn't know what an atmosphere was if it smacked them in the face !

no the atmosphere was mostly crap with the exception of a few big clubs turning up

People often see the past through rose tinted spectacles - that's the case with people's memories of Ninian Park.

It could be great, but it could also be a bad atmosphere. (People always cite the Leeds 2002 game, but the fact they always roll that one out shows it was not a common occurence).

For example, the last game of all against Ipswich Town was not that great - nowhere near as good as the atmosphere we had against Leicester in either the March game, or the Play-Off semi-final in 2010.

But why let the facts get in the way of an agenda hey

no the atmosphere was mostly crap with the exception of a few big clubs turning up

Well even that's better than the atmosphere at new stadium which is just " crap" full stop !

I honestly believe those who harp back to the 'Ninian Days' of 70/80/90's do so out of nostalgia for their younger days rather than anything else.

The football was absolutely dire (a couple of notable seasons apart) but if you were a hooligan or just a piss head then football and Cardiff in particular was the place to be.

That generation has now grown into middle age and can’t indulge in the old practises they once did for one reason or other. That’s why we here about how brilliant the old days were, which in a way they were.

However, I’m now 51 and would prefer the club exactly as it is, playing in a modern comfortable stadium and making successful inroads into the top Escalon of English football.

at ninian park we felt apart of the club, we felt like a big family, we all looked out of eachother, we didn't care who we were playing but we went to watch the boys in blue and catch up with great mates all standing togther, squeezing through the turnstyle gettting a clarks pie and a beer under the stands, singing on the terraces,it was our club, it was our home

all that's gone, the club is a joke these days

I honestly believe those who harp back to the 'Ninian Days' of 70/80/90's do so out of nostalgia for their younger days rather than anything else.

The football was absolutely dire (a couple of notable seasons apart) but if you were a hooligan or just a piss head then football and Cardiff in particular was the place to be.

That generation has now grown into middle age and can’t indulge in the old practises they once did for one reason or other. That’s why we here about how brilliant the old days were, which in a way they were.

However, I’m now 51 and would prefer the club exactly as it is, playing in a modern comfortable stadium and making successful inroads into the top Escalon of English football.

Have to disagree with you there, I went along in all the years you mentioned, I'm 47 now with take my children along quite regular, so in no way am I looking to recapture my youth . I do agree totally with you about playing in a modern comfortable stadium and success on the field, my point is that the atmosphere in the new stadium is absolutely dire !

you can blame the club for a crap atmosphere the family stand is at the wrong end etc

you can blame the club for a crap atmosphere the family stand is at the wrong end etc

yeah your right but they want the happy clappy, sit down red shirt wearing, do as your told fans these days

Like most clubs ,following City has been a roller coaster ride to hell and back. I go back a lot more than most on here, so I'm talking about the times of Peter Rodrigues, Colin Baker ,Graham Vearncombe, Dilwyn John,( Also very good Snooker Player) & so on & so on right up to today.
I Believe its the age you start watch a team, The first game is always Magical ( especially under floodlights in the evening in the winter, & even more so if you win well ) That is when you look back and think the old days were the best.
There was a Magic about Ninian Park yes ! But kids that has only just started to go to the City in the last few season, would say our ground now to them is Magical .
There are games that you think you should win & dont, there are games you know your going to get hammered in , and win, then you have game that you have been looking forwards to all season ,which turn out to be a real let down. This is the Magic of this game we all love & some times Hate.
So when you look back at the Old days as you call them, you take out of the old days what you want to remember , & try your best to forget the shit times ,but you forget them with a smile on your face.

95% of the time it wasn't that good. However its no excuse for our current atmosphere.

The fans make the atmosphere so we only have ourselves to blame

Dress it up any way you want, the atmosphere in the new stadium is nowhere near as good as it was in Ninian Park.

Ask yourself this, what would it be like at Ninian Park, with the crowds we are getting now and our current league position !

it would be rocking !

95% of the time it wasn't that good. However its no excuse for our current atmosphere.

I thought you were at uni or something so you can't go to games?

Fooking mental Chief

Dress it up any way you want, the atmosphere in the new stadium is nowhere near as good as it was in Ninian Park.

Ask yourself this, what would it be like at Ninian Park, with the crowds we are getting now and our current league position !

it would be rocking !

brang on, it would be a party atmosphere and the stands would be rocking, R.I.P

95% of the time it wasn't that good. However its no excuse for our current atmosphere.

I thought you were at uni or something so you can't go to games?

I go to as many as I can mate. I have been to 12 games this season. I cant wait to finish university and get back home to watch more games.

Dress it up any way you want, the atmosphere in the new stadium is nowhere near as good as it was in Ninian Park.

Ask yourself this, what would it be like at Ninian Park, with the crowds we are getting now and our current league position !

it would be rocking !

The queue for the bogs in the bobbank would be scary. The bar or shed thing would need a new floor

95% of the time it wasn't that good. However its no excuse for our current atmosphere.

I thought you were at uni or something so you can't go to games?

I go to as many as I can mate. I have been to 12 games this season. I cant wait to finish university and get back home to watch more games.

Fair enough pal, you make a better effort than most at uni to come back and watch City by the sound of it fair play.

Dress it up any way you want, the atmosphere in the new stadium is nowhere near as good as it was in Ninian Park.

Ask yourself this, what would it be like at Ninian Park, with the crowds we are getting now and our current league position !

it would be rocking !

The queue for the bogs in the bobbank would be scary. The bar or shed thing would need a new floor

You're probably right, but the atmosphere would be amazing reflecting our current position.

The atmosphere at new stadium suggests we are a mid table club with nothing to play for, it's certainly not an atmosphere you would expect from a club on the verge of promotion to the premier league!

I agree the atmos is dire, its our fault because we have proved we can get the place rocking.

The fans make the atmosphere so we only have ourselves to blame

The club have a duty in this as well to provide a good experience and at least try and be the catalyst to improve the atmosphere. They've done brilliantly with the family stand and they have to be given credit where its due for that. The awards have not been given for nothing but there is still a lot more they could do especially at such an important point in the season.

1. Give out flags to fans
2. Play an intro song that sticks and is catchy that people will get involved with (new anthem_
3. Get half time Wayne to start rapping and dropping a beat on the mic
4. Announce an official fans group that organises flags, scarves, events in cooperation with the club and police to show all we want is a good time ourselves and no trouble - a good example of this would be getting a flag done and surfed for Keenor's anniversary to show our respects
5. Allocate a section in a stand for the official fans group. Paying members etc. pay slightly more on their season tickets and they then are in the most atmospheric area and these will be the ones that lead by example
6. The Canton Stand is always the last to sell out - simply make it the official fans group stand and people who want to be part of the group will move there and spaces will open up elsewhere

There are plenty of clubs that have stands/sections of a stand designated to supporters groups.

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Supporters groups are usually based around a core group (who tend to have executive control over the whole group), with smaller subgroups organized by location, friendship or political stance. Supporters groups tend to use various styles and sizes of banners and flags with the name and symbols of the group. Some supporters groups sell their own merchandise such as scarves, hats and jackets. The culture is a mix of several supporting styles, such as scarf-waving and chanting. A supporters group can number from a handful of fans to hundreds, and often claim entire sections of a stadium for themselves.

According to a writer for Spiked, the four core points of the ultra mentality are:

never stop singing or chanting during a match, no matter what the result
never sit down during a match
attend as many games as possible (home and away), regardless of cost or distance
loyalty to the stand in which the group is located

Supporters groups usually have a representative who liaises with the club owners on a regular basis, mostly regarding tickets, seat allocations and storage facilities. Some clubs provide the groups cheaper tickets, storage rooms for flags and banners, and early access to the stadium before matches in order to prepare the displays.

Why is our club not doing this? Tan could get a LOT of people back on side if he worked with them and he at least tries to improve the atmosphere.

I honestly believe those who harp back to the 'Ninian Days' of 70/80/90's do so out of nostalgia for their younger days rather than anything else.

The football was absolutely dire (a couple of notable seasons apart) but if you were a hooligan or just a piss head then football and Cardiff in particular was the place to be.

That generation has now grown into middle age and can’t indulge in the old practises they once did for one reason or other. That’s why we here about how brilliant the old days were, which in a way they were.

However, I’m now 51 and would prefer the club exactly as it is, playing in a modern comfortable stadium and making successful inroads into the top Escalon of English football.

Absolute spot on !

The fans make the atmosphere so we only have ourselves to blame

The club have a duty in this as well to provide a good experience and at least try and be the catalyst to improve the atmosphere. They've done brilliantly with the family stand and they have to be given credit where its due for that. The awards have not been given for nothing but there is still a lot more they could do especially at such an important point in the season.

1. Give out flags to fans
2. Play an intro song that sticks and is catchy that people will get involved with (new anthem_
3. Get half time Wayne to start rapping and dropping a beat on the mic
4. Announce an official fans group that organises flags, scarves, events in cooperation with the club and police to show all we want is a good time ourselves and no trouble - a good example of this would be getting a flag done and surfed for Keenor's anniversary to show our respects
5. Allocate a section in a stand for the official fans group. Paying members etc. pay slightly more on their season tickets and they then are in the most atmospheric area and these will be the ones that lead by example
6. The Canton Stand is always the last to sell out - simply make it the official fans group stand and people who want to be part of the group will move there and spaces will open up elsewhere

There are plenty of clubs that have stands/sections of a stand designated to supporters groups.

-------------------------------

Supporters groups are usually based around a core group (who tend to have executive control over the whole group), with smaller subgroups organized by location, friendship or political stance. Supporters groups tend to use various styles and sizes of banners and flags with the name and symbols of the group. Some supporters groups sell their own merchandise such as scarves, hats and jackets. The culture is a mix of several supporting styles, such as scarf-waving and chanting. A supporters group can number from a handful of fans to hundreds, and often claim entire sections of a stadium for themselves.

According to a writer for Spiked, the four core points of the ultra mentality are:

never stop singing or chanting during a match, no matter what the result
never sit down during a match
attend as many games as possible (home and away), regardless of cost or distance
loyalty to the stand in which the group is located

Supporters groups usually have a representative who liaises with the club owners on a regular basis, mostly regarding tickets, seat allocations and storage facilities. Some clubs provide the groups cheaper tickets, storage rooms for flags and banners, and early access to the stadium before matches in order to prepare the displays.

Why is our club not doing this? Tan could get a LOT of people back on side if he worked with them and he at least tries to improve the atmosphere.

The club shouldnt initiate this its up to the fans. If i remember didnt a few fans on here start something up and the club were very receptive and then the fans got pissed and didnt bother going to an arranged meeting with Wayne.....something like that. I do remember the club willing to move seats. Get a group together Barnett and liase with the club see if they'd be willing.

The club shouldnt initiate this its up to the fans. If i remember didnt a few fans on here start something up and the club were very receptive and then the fans got pissed and didnt bother going to an arranged meeting with Wayne.....something like that. I do remember the club willing to move seats. Get a group together Barnett and liase with the club see if they'd be willing.

Fair points.

NP had so many phases you simply can't say NP was better...

I started on my own aged 14 in 81, the bob bank was the only place to be. No seats, all the grange was for the away fans, no roof. It was ok. Within a few years the grandstand and lower terrace was the place

Now the oldies will tell you the early 70's with the bob & grange as one rocked, wooden i believe with good attendances and a low roof it created a real atmosphere.

It was only when we went into the grange and we put a roof on it that there was any atmosphere from that side of the ground started. But, what would it have been like if it was 100% seats ?

any stadium whether it's seated or standing, should be rocking with a team in the position we find ourselves in at present!

I started watching just before Sam came to the club. Moved here from the Midlands to go to uni, met my wife and got a 12 year old daughter who loves the football along with me. Both are committed Bluebirds.

Love the blue and against the change but if it means that much and those peoples saying rather blue in division 2. why were the crowds at Ninian park only 2 or 3 thousand during these blue periods?

Also what was the atmosphere like with only 2 or 3 thousand people at Ninian park. Was it really that good?

Sorry guys but this ones definetly an angler!