' Final Attempt '

This is my last attempt at explaining what I'm currently feeling. Read it and make of it what you will. I'm done arguing about it


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Fair do's mate cracking write up and full of emotion, as I have previously stated I have renewed, however the game against Brighton with the red scarf scenario has mean't as soon as my season ticket arrives I will be selling at face value

"If only I had known what was coming whilst singing my heart out in Upton Park, I would have been in floods of tears not just pride but also despair as on the way home on the coach the "rebrand" news broke and that trip was to be my last watching Cardiff City FC.

The next day the new red shirt and shocking beer mat badge were revealed,"

Incorrect. The shirt and badge was revealed in June, not the day after West Ham

Excellent read mate. Mentioned it on twitter, but you get it across perfectly.

"If only I had known what was coming whilst singing my heart out in Upton Park, I would have been in floods of tears not just pride but also despair as on the way home on the coach the "rebrand" news broke and that trip was to be my last watching Cardiff City FC.

The next day the new red shirt and shocking beer mat badge were revealed,"

Incorrect. The shirt and badge was revealed in June, not the day after West Ham

The famous anonymous post was made straight after the west Ham game - I ignored it thinking it was a Jack kid on a wind up. Turned out to be 100% true......

This is my last attempt at explaining what I'm currently feeling. Read it and make of it what you will. I'm done arguing about it


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See you next season Simon.

Feel the same, what i dont get is why most people dont feel this way. Its like we are following a different team for glory and following city was not glorious.

If i wanted to watch football just for success i could have followed man utd.

This is my last attempt at explaining what I'm currently feeling. Read it and make of it what you will. I'm done arguing about it


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simon man up buddy ive know you for years your cardiff through and through ,im banned but would be down there in any colour ,they could play in pink and i would still follow them ,its our home town club buddy keep the faith ,next season could be massive for us

"If only I had known what was coming whilst singing my heart out in Upton Park, I would have been in floods of tears not just pride but also despair as on the way home on the coach the "rebrand" news broke and that trip was to be my last watching Cardiff City FC.

The next day the new red shirt and shocking beer mat badge were revealed,"

Incorrect. The shirt and badge was revealed in June, not the day after West Ham

Spot on.

I've actually being meaning to appologise to you after what I wrote in the other thread. Was drunk at the time after a great day of celebrating the city and wales winning and was just fed up of the amount of negativity surrounding the board. Good read you've posted and hopefully one day you will feel the same way towards the city

I feel your emotion mate i really do.but as long as we are cardiff city fc i will support the name in any colour

Brilliant post.

This is what Tan has done to our club, he is driving away some of our most loyal fans and he doesn't appear to give a shit. And to make it worse there are a few lowlifes that will accuse you of deserting the club and give the old wavey smiley.

Such a shame. Never mind though eh, as long as we get on Match of the Day

Great read Simon

This is what Tan has done to our club, he is driving away some of our most loyal fans and he doesn't appear to give a shit. And to make it worse there are a few lowlifes that will accuse you of deserting the club and give the old wavey smiley.

Such a shame. Never mind though eh, as long as we get on Match of the Day

In terms of the few lowlifes they are allowed to have an opinion and Ely Boy won't be to much bothered by it as he has put up with it since he has posted his views.

I respect peoples choice if they can't go with it.. we all have an opinion and we make our own decisions.

This is what Tan has done to our club, he is driving away some of our most loyal fans and he doesn't appear to give a shit. And to make it worse there are a few lowlifes that will accuse you of deserting the club and give the old wavey smiley.

Such a shame. Never mind though eh, as long as we get on Match of the Day

In terms of the few lowlifes they are allowed to have an opinion and Ely Boy won't be to much bothered by it as he has put up with it since he has posted his views.

I respect peoples choice if they can't go with it.. we all have an opinion and we make our own decisions.

Of course they are allowed an opinion, as am I. And in my opinion, anyone that laughs at someone like Ely Boy and the others that feel that they cannot accept what Tan has done, needs to have a good hard look at themselves.

Feel the same, what i dont get is why most people dont feel this way. Its like we are following a different team for glory and following city was not glorious.

If i wanted to watch football just for success i could have followed man utd.

Like you, if all I'd wanted was success, I'd have followed one of the big Prem teams over the decades, but I'm City through and through and unless success comes to City, I don't want any part of it. I do however want City to be as successful as its humanly possible to be.

I feel for the op, as he clearly comes across as really genuine and a true City fan.

But for those of us who support VT, it's not all about success, and our loyalty over years (both sides of the rebrand divide) shows that, but some people just can't get that worked up about a colour - after all the previous owners we've had, we've now got one who will back us financially all the way and the results on the pitch show his plan is working.

I fully respect the views of those who feel differently, but worry about the way some of our fans are still saying those who embrace the rebrand are sell-outs, as you can only sell-out if you go against any principle you hold to - a badge and a colour just aren't that important me, and I suspect aren't to most of us who do support VT.

I hate the way some people are gloating, who are on my side of the debate as well though.

Great post and to be fair its the way I feel to cant help it thats the way it is.

Equally upsetting was the way are so called passionate fans rolled over to Tans blackmail.Problem was a lot of people agreed to it as there was no other option to them .Its a difficult situation but come on anyone with a backbone and anyone who loves this club should be willing to make a stand for this club and its identity after all the identity of this club is the club.

I will go because of my kids but I am in the same league as Ely Boy gutted about the whole thing .

Still time to sort it but more fans embrace it than oppose it thats the problem

But for those of us who support VT, it's not all about success, and our loyalty over years (both sides of the rebrand divide) shows that, but some people just can't get that worked up about a colour - after all the previous owners we've had, we've now got one who will back us financially all the way and the results on the pitch show his plan is working.

I'm sorry but there is no guarantee of that. Tan is a business man first and foremost. He is no Abramovich or Mansour who is insanely rich and doing this to just boost his image and legacy and to feel wanted. He is a profit man. The two aforementioned will pay out of their own pocket because its just a hobby for them to enjoy and make others happy. There are numerous scenario's but to just assume he will back us financially all the way just because he's kept us afloat so far is not right.

This is not specifically aimed at you but I do think there are an incredible amount of people being naive here. Tan is a money man and he has already stated he is happy to lose up to 25% of his 'customer' base to move forward with his business plan.

The thing is, there is no guarantee of anything at the moment and there are a number of scenarios all fans should be preparing for as a realist to avoid again being left feeling like shit when something goes the way they didn't expect.

1) We go up, Tan does well by us and keeps investing and we become successful

2) Tan keeps loaning money to us and takes out the TV deal money to pocket himself whilst using assets to keep the club afloat and then leaves leaving us in a similar state Liverpool were left in by H&G

3) We don't go up and Tan decides to stay. He pushes ahead with more rebranding deeming that our current changes are not enough to get the job done

4) We don't go up and Tan leaves. He cuts his losses and insists he'll make it back in another business venture. We go into administration and there is a fan take over yet we plummet down the divisions and face points deductions etc on the way.

5) We don't go up and Tan leaves but finds a buyer. A new buyer comes in and sees us as a weak fan base who were easily manipulated. He decides to rebrand us to suit his agenda and we become his puppet this time around. Therefore even Tan leaving is no guarantee of us returning to blue.

6) We go up, Tan becomes successful and gets another buyer on board. The new buyer is a bit mental and has his own plans and decides he wants to change things further. The new buyer has more money so he then decides I'll rename the stadium, change their nickname, rename the stands, add more of my sponsors everywhere and try and increase revenues elsewhere around the stadium.

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This is entirely the reason why im not getting worked up about it anymore. I have been at one point, changed my mind, gone back, gone back again, because with each move it can alter your perception of forecast. Its all a guessing game and one I no longer care to stress about. I just have to in the meantime just get on with things. Plenty of KCB have stated if Tan leaves we would go back to blue but there is no proof of that either. That again is just wishful thinking. There is a lot of naivety and wishful thinking going on and its wrong. Its the kind of attitude that will lead to us having problems in the future and furore occurring.

We'd be better off working with the trust and other groups as a unit to put in a contingency plan so that if any of the scenario's above occur in the future we are well prepared to fight. Not having a plan is why we are in this situation in the first place. Its time we woke up because there are plenty of other ways we can be done over especially with the number of self loathing owners out there who want to rinse clubs on a whim without a seconds hesitation.

Feel the same, what i dont get is why most people dont feel this way. Its like we are following a different team for glory and following city was not glorious.

If i wanted to watch football just for success i could have followed man utd.

Like you, if all I'd wanted was success, I'd have followed one of the big Prem teams over the decades, but I'm City through and through and unless success comes to City, I don't want any part of it. I do however want City to be as successful as its humanly possible to be.

I feel for the op, as he clearly comes across as really genuine and a true City fan.

But for those of us who support VT, it's not all about success, and our loyalty over years (both sides of the rebrand divide) shows that, but some people just can't get that worked up about a colour - after all the previous owners we've had, we've now got one who will back us financially all the way and the results on the pitch show his plan is working.

I fully respect the views of those who feel differently, but worry about the way some of our fans are still saying those who embrace the rebrand are sell-outs, as you can only sell-out if you go against any principle you hold to - a badge and a colour just aren't that important me, and I suspect aren't to most of us who do support VT.

I hate the way some people are gloating, who are on my side of the debate as well though.

I think the difference of opinion between both sides is so strong and so opposite let me explain my way of thinking.

I dont understand for the life of me why a Cardiff City fan would allow or support anybody that removes are identity I dont get why any fan would allow it to happen its the very core of the club what represents us now and in the past .Its something to associate ccfc 2 and above all something to guide your pride to im proud of it and its gone and some fans dont care or mind .I am baffled by these fans then comes the anger towards these fans ,

The problem is fans on the other side of the fence feel totally different so each side can never agree and thats what Tan has created. The term sellouts is used because some fans feel other fans didnt stand by the club the problem will go on and on .

Feel the same, what i dont get is why most people dont feel this way. Its like we are following a different team for glory and following city was not glorious.

If i wanted to watch football just for success i could have followed man utd.

Like you, if all I'd wanted was success, I'd have followed one of the big Prem teams over the decades, but I'm City through and through and unless success comes to City, I don't want any part of it. I do however want City to be as successful as its humanly possible to be.

I feel for the op, as he clearly comes across as really genuine and a true City fan.

But for those of us who support VT, it's not all about success, and our loyalty over years (both sides of the rebrand divide) shows that, but some people just can't get that worked up about a colour - after all the previous owners we've had, we've now got one who will back us financially all the way and the results on the pitch show his plan is working.

I fully respect the views of those who feel differently, but worry about the way some of our fans are still saying those who embrace the rebrand are sell-outs, as you can only sell-out if you go against any principle you hold to - a badge and a colour just aren't that important me, and I suspect aren't to most of us who do support VT.

I hate the way some people are gloating, who are on my side of the debate as well though.

I think the difference of opinion between both sides is so strong and so opposite let me explain my way of thinking.

I dont understand for the life of me why a Cardiff City fan would allow or support anybody that removes are identity I dont get why any fan would allow it to happen its the very core of the club what represents us now and in the past .Its something to associate ccfc 2 and above all something to guide your pride to im proud of it and its gone and some fans dont care or mind .I am baffled by these fans then comes the anger towards these fans ,

The problem is fans on the other side of the fence feel totally different so each side can never agree and thats what Tan has created. The term sellouts is used because some fans feel other fans didnt stand by the club the problem will go on and on .

I feel that our identity is the name Cardiff city and playing in the city of Cardiff not a colour blue ,also red is our national colour and I'm a proud Welshman so the change of colour is not a big deal to me and that's for the majority of fans ,ats about opinions everyone is allowed them

Feel the same, what i dont get is why most people dont feel this way. Its like we are following a different team for glory and following city was not glorious.

If i wanted to watch football just for success i could have followed man utd.

Like you, if all I'd wanted was success, I'd have followed one of the big Prem teams over the decades, but I'm City through and through and unless success comes to City, I don't want any part of it. I do however want City to be as successful as its humanly possible to be.

I feel for the op, as he clearly comes across as really genuine and a true City fan.

But for those of us who support VT, it's not all about success, and our loyalty over years (both sides of the rebrand divide) shows that, but some people just can't get that worked up about a colour - after all the previous owners we've had, we've now got one who will back us financially all the way and the results on the pitch show his plan is working.

I fully respect the views of those who feel differently, but worry about the way some of our fans are still saying those who embrace the rebrand are sell-outs, as you can only sell-out if you go against any principle you hold to - a badge and a colour just aren't that important me, and I suspect aren't to most of us who do support VT.

I hate the way some people are gloating, who are on my side of the debate as well though.

I think the difference of opinion between both sides is so strong and so opposite let me explain my way of thinking.

I dont understand for the life of me why a Cardiff City fan would allow or support anybody that removes are identity I dont get why any fan would allow it to happen its the very core of the club what represents us now and in the past .Its something to associate ccfc 2 and above all something to guide your pride to im proud of it and its gone and some fans dont care or mind .I am baffled by these fans then comes the anger towards these fans ,

The problem is fans on the other side of the fence feel totally different so each side can never agree and thats what Tan has created. The term sellouts is used because some fans feel other fans didnt stand by the club the problem will go on and on .

I feel that our identity is the name Cardiff city and playing in the city of Cardiff not a colour blue ,also red is our national colour and I'm a proud Welshman so the change of colour is not a big deal to me and that's for the majority of fans ,ats about opinions everyone is allowed them

just confirms my point you feel totally and utterly different to me and many other people and yes that is your right but it just confirms my point .how do we move forward when we are so far apart as fans put it this way if Tan changed the name Cardiff City you would be pissed yea well thats how I feel right now and thats just it .You explain how you feel and you get told buy buy go support another club how would you feel.it just adds to the anger.
As far as I am concerned let im change the name at least we will all be on the same side then as fans.Or maybe I could then say get over it go support another club its all bollocks the position the club and fans is in .No other club is going through this just us.

Not been to the dragon's dome this season , after some 45 years , I doubt if i ever go again ...... and I am sad ....

This is my 43 year watching the city and still feel now like i did all them years ago.Dont like the red but love CARDIFF CITY.When i used to leave the neville on a saturday game on my own and meet egg down there they all said i was a mug.Told them all one day you will all be leaving with me and they all pissed there selfs.I have done over 100 grounds over the years and had some great trips,left weddings come home early off holls and so on to watch city.Well done Wales on sat,but when city won first i was buzzing and made my day.One day tan will f**k off and we will be back in blue, everyone then happy.I will keep going as long we are called CARDIFF CITY as still love it and why should i miss out for some glory hunter and there is loads waiting trust me. p.s. hope you go back down one day.

simon
what ever you do, i know it will be agonising

good luck mate

Cheers for the comments both positive and negative, it's all about opinions. I have tried to force myself to get involved in this promotion push but I can't, that's not going to change.

Wez mate, I have tried but can't do it, I miss the old days and fair play we had some great laughs but "for now" it's time to concentrate on different things and try to let this red blue shit go.

I am sure I can force myself to Canton for a few beers with the boys one day soon, just have to keep my wits about me as I may get jumped by a few of the red brigade ha ha

I've actually being meaning to appologise to you after what I wrote in the other thread. Was drunk at the time after a great day of celebrating the city and wales winning and was just fed up of the amount of negativity surrounding the board. Good read you've posted and hopefully one day you will feel the same way towards the city

If that was aimed at me then thanks mate but I don't remember you saying anything I've got pretty thick skin and understand there is emotion on both sides.

Simon, you are spot on. I feel the same, altho I am not a Cardiffian, just chose to be a Cardiff fan in 1990 (full story - read Annis' first "Diary of the Real Soul Crew" book... )
I seriouly tried to take the changes on board, my first reaction after the rebrand was simular to yours. Was about to book a flight and come over for a protest-march, thought there's going to be mayhem as noone would ever dare to touch our identity. But nothing happened. KCB was launched, but half-hearted and by the wrong guys. Plus they made the wrong calls and got bullied by some who I wanted to lead the protest.

But as nothing happened, I thought may I was in the wrong, maybe it could work, giving up your identity as we have given up Ninian...
Just before the season I made the decision, I need to find out myself. So I came over for 2 weeks, watching 4 City games in that period. And driving back from Brighton, I finally knew I couldnt ever accept the rebrand. This wasnt my club anymore, leaving Ninian was bad, it broke my heart. But seeing us in red with that thing as our crest tore my heart right out of my chest. It didnt feel like City anymore, this was an alien club, just happened to play in Cardiff. A club, I didnt choose to support. The excitement is as big as if I would watch the Cardiff Blues. A Cardiff team, "yeah lets go Taffies..." but that's it...

My last game at Bristol City was like a bad dream. A grey movie in which I am walking alone and feel no soul, no passion, no excitement...and that was what I once loved about the City. Not the success on the pitch, the feeling that this club once gave me.

I am a logical thinker, cant help myself, being German doesnt help there (altho I somehow feel very attached to Wales, Cardiff in particular), so I got a few options what I can do:

1 - accept the rebrand (out of the question)
2 - just leave and find another club to support (cant do that somehow)
3 - boycott the current red CCFC and hope our club finally wakes up (yes)
4 - support a phoenix club, with our original values, identity etc (will do that in the meantime, as long as red CCFC is in place)

To boycott the club I once loved to bits, is hard, but it feels worse seeing it yourself. Therefore I decided a few months back, I wouldnt watch them anymore. Still a Cardiff fan, but our CCFC not the new red club.

That is my decision, I respect Gwyn and others who accept the rebrand. But I demand that ones (like me) who simply cannot accept red and that badge for our club, are treated in the same manner. We put money into our club, we watched the team home and away, on cold tueday night games on open terraces with rain pouring down. We were there, and to hear from fellow "fans" stuff like: "haha drama queen, your not a real fan, you wont be missed...good riddance, I say" is just out of order.

I still dont understand how WE have sold our souls. I cant remember being asked for my opinion or given a vote, the club just did it anyway. If we protested Tan would probably shrug off the protestors as the disjointed 25% he can afford to lose and carry on anyway.

If we were like other clubs with fans representation on the board (fans as a collective, not a fan who happens to be a board member) then yes you would have an argument but we dont so we have no control over anything that happens.

You have two choices either recognise the club despite changes is still your local club or walk away.

I wont feel sorry for someone who deliberately boycotts the club thats your choice you could just as easily watch the games. I respect your decision as at least you have made a choice, unlike some fans who say hate the rebrand, disgusted with what Tan is doing will never support him by the way renewed my season ticket last week. So in actual fact you are supporting him as your giving him all your money.

I hope you do come back, I feel it a shame that a moment like promotion you may miss out on especially as its something we have waited for, for a very long time.

I still dont understand how WE have sold our souls. I cant remember being asked for my opinion or given a vote, the club just did it anyway. If we protested Tan would probably shrug off the protestors as the disjointed 25% he can afford to lose and carry on anyway.

If we were like other clubs with fans representation on the board (fans as a collective, not a fan who happens to be a board member) then yes you would have an argument but we dont so we have no control over anything that happens.

You have two choices either recognise the club despite changes is still your local club or walk away.

I wont feel sorry for someone who deliberately boycotts the club thats your choice you could just as easily watch the games. I respect your decision as at least you have made a choice, unlike some fans who say hate the rebrand, disgusted with what Tan is doing will never support him by the way renewed my season ticket last week. So in actual fact you are supporting him as your giving him all your money.

I hope you do come back, I feel it a shame that a moment like promotion you may miss out on especially as its something we have waited for, for a very long time.

Please stop putting yourself in the "WE" bracket you dont even pay your money to watch the games

Your just one of many of Tans "Yes" men as you get paid by him.