Nothing Has Changed

We are still 5 points clear. Just like we were yesterday.

No need for the melodrama. It's not quite 2006 again, yet.

We are still 5 points clear. Just like we were yesterday.

No need for the melodrama. It's not quite 2006 again, yet.

still got game in hand we will do shef wed and Leicester

All brave words. Anyone care to gamble their mortgage on it?

All brave words. Anyone care to gamble their mortgage on it?

I would kindly, but the Mrs would kill me! We'll definitely go up automatically.

Only thing that has changed is there's one less game to play for the other teams to catch us

That all very well, but even the most pessimistic City fan expected a hard fought 3 points tonight,,,we were lucky for the one.

Whatever's going on, needs sorting pronto.

Malky certainly didn't come across as confident & in control of things at media interviews yesterday.

We were missing our 2 most influential players as well, that should be considered

We were missing our 2 most influential players as well, that should be considered

This is true Gavlar, but Malky was bragging on Sky only a couple of months ago how good our strength in depth was.

Two players out, & were struggling???

We looked a bad a side as I've seen in the league all season. We have serious problems with too many players completely out of form. Make no mistake we are on a bad run and nothing I saw tonight makes me think we will get out of it anytime soon

We were missing our 2 most influential players as well, that should be considered

This is true Gavlar, but Malky was bragging on Sky only a couple of months ago how good our strength in depth was.

Two players out, & were struggling???

We have got strength in depth Rick, but we are missing our 'would be' player of the season in Hudson, and Craig Bellamy who is streets ahead in this league, ANY team would struggle with those 2 out, this is merely a minor blip in a fantastic season in my eyes, we'll bounce back against a Leicester team that's has a glut of fixtures to deal with.

We were missing our 2 most influential players as well, that should be considered

This is true Gavlar, but Malky was bragging on Sky only a couple of months ago how good our strength in depth was.

Two players out, & were struggling???

We have got strength in depth Rick, but we are missing our 'would be' player of the season in Hudson, and Craig Bellamy who is streets ahead in this league, ANY team would struggle with those 2 out, this is merely a minor blip in a fantastic season in my eyes, we'll bounce back against a Leicester team that's has a glut of fixtures to deal with.

Sorry Gavlar, but its not just about two two key players is it? Too many other players are simply not performing to their potential are they? Whittingham hasn't for a long time now, & even Tommy Smith has gone off the boil.

We were missing our 2 most influential players as well, that should be considered

They were missing 5 regulars. Could'nt even complement their bench.

I agree with your points on smith and Whitts, problem for me is on the right wing, Smith needs to be replaced it seems but Noone is not very consistant, dropping Whitts for kimbo is an obvious option but can your imagine if it goes wrong?? Not an easy decision for MM

The point I was trying to make was if you're going to go nuts today, you might as well have gone nuts yesterday.

Rick brings up some good points to be fair. A lot of our players have gone to sh1t at the same time.

But we are also clearly a much weaker team without Hudson. Never thought I would say that.

As for Bellars, well colour me jaded but whatever... When was the last time he scored?

Play Jordan Mutch so whittingham and gunnerson don't look terrified when moving forward. Tell nugent and turner to not smash the ball forward or out of play at every opportunity.

Play Jordan Mutch so whittingham and gunnerson don't look terrified when moving forward. Tell nugent and turner to not smash the ball forward or out of play at every opportunity.

Mutch was woefully out of form. Nugent is doing ok as a youngster but not good enough at this level yet. Him and turner together look slow and cumbersome

Of course something changed.

Yesterday if we lost the next two games and the two below us won their two games we would still be in the autos.

As it stands now, if we lose our next 2 and the clubs below us win theirs - we could be in the play off zone.

Of course something changed.

Yesterday if we lost the next two games and the two below us won their two games we would still be in the autos.

As it stands now, if we lose our next 2 and the clubs below us win theirs - we could be in the play off zone.

Yes, Paxman. If Hull make up 10 goals in goal difference, that unlikely scenario could happen. So massive change there.

i think malky has been setting his teams up to try & stop the opposition playing, reason he keeps smith & conway in is for their work rate cos going forward they havn't done much they r there more as to help out connolly & tayls which shudnt be happening at home fair enough away shud be more attacking at home. I'd be looking to going 4-5-1

mutch or cowie & gunnar

noone whitts bellers with bellers floating around free role

fraizer

think it wud be much better gunnar getting forward & the other CM sits in front of back 4 be alot better think were very predictable playing 4-4-2 need to mix it up

but still more than confident of going up no need to panic as were still 5 points clear game in hand

Of course something changed.

Yesterday if we lost the next two games and the two below us won their two games we would still be in the autos.

As it stands now, if we lose our next 2 and the clubs below us win theirs - we could be in the play off zone.

Yes, Paxman. If Hull make up 10 goals in goal difference, that unlikely scenario could happen. So massive change there.

If we lose two and they win two, 10 goals isn't an awful lot as every defeat our goal difference would depleat and every win for hull would increase theirs. Hull win 2-0 and 3-0 and we lose by the same margins and the 10 goal deficit has gone.

We also have an easy home game wasted where as Hull and palace have got their game against each other out of the way with little or no difference to the table. The fact there is now 3 teams 6 or 7 points behind is another change.

If there is another similar run in the next 4 games as there has been in this last 4 games we are out of the automatics. Our next game is Leicester....

Of course something changed.

Yesterday if we lost the next two games and the two below us won their two games we would still be in the autos.

As it stands now, if we lose our next 2 and the clubs below us win theirs - we could be in the play off zone.

Yes, Paxman. If Hull make up 10 goals in goal difference, that unlikely scenario could happen. So massive change there.

If we lose two and they win two, 10 goals isn't an awful lot as every defeat our goal difference would depleat and every win for hull would increase theirs. Hull win 2-0 and 3-0 and we lose by the same margins and the 10 goal deficit has gone.

Paxman, when was the last time we conceded 5 goals in consecutive games?

When was the last time Hull scored five in two games?

What are the odds of those two implausible scenarios happening in the same two consecutive games?

Of course something changed.

Yesterday if we lost the next two games and the two below us won their two games we would still be in the autos.

As it stands now, if we lose our next 2 and the clubs below us win theirs - we could be in the play off zone.

Yes, Paxman. If Hull make up 10 goals in goal difference, that unlikely scenario could happen. So massive change there.

If we lose two and they win two, 10 goals isn't an awful lot as every defeat our goal difference would depleat and every win for hull would increase theirs. Hull win 2-0 and 3-0 and we lose by the same margins and the 10 goal deficit has gone.

Paxman, when was the last time we conceded 5 goals in consecutive games?

When was the last time Hull scored five in two games?

As for the odds? I have no idea.


What are the odds of those two implausible scenarios happening in the same two consecutive games?

I don't really believe in trends. If I did then I wouldn't believe we didnt win tonight - but we didnt.

Hull have scored 7 in their last 2 games by the way. And if we were to lose our next two games then it's not beyond the realms of possibility we could concede 5, we did that against charlton in one match.

You don't believe in trends? Cool.

What we're talking about is probability, of course.

I just asked Llangennith Phil to calculate the odds on your conspiracy of events actually occurring. He gave me 9,000 to one!

You should have a flutter

You don't believe in trends? Cool.

What we're talking about is probability, of course.

I just asked Llangennith Phil to calculate the odds on your conspiracy of events actually occurring. He gave me 9,000 to one!

You should have a flutter

Probability now? The probability of us drawing 1-1 with derby and losing 2-1 to boro while hull beat brim 5-2 and lost to palace 4-2 is pretty similar on odds and probability - yet it still happened. Yu can collate any 5 fixtures that have ever been played and add the odds of them all happening together and you will continually get these ridiculous odds.

No I don't believe in trends, a football has no memory. Anyone can beat anyone in this division. And for us to lose to Leicester home and sheff wed away is entirely possible and hull and Watford winning.

But back to your point that nothing has changed - that's factually incorrect.

You don't believe in trends? Cool.

What we're talking about is probability, of course.

I just asked Llangennith Phil to calculate the odds on your conspiracy of events actually occurring. He gave me 9,000 to one!

You should have a flutter

Probability now? The probability of us drawing 1-1 with derby and losing 2-1 to boro while hull beat brim 5-2 and lost to palace 4-2 is pretty similar on odds and probability - yet it still happened. Yu can collate any 5 fixtures that have ever been played and add the odds of them all happening together and you will continually get these ridiculous odds.

No I don't believe in trends, a football has no memory. Anyone can beat anyone in this division. And for us to lose to Leicester home and sheff wed away is entirely possible and hull and Watford winning.

But back to your point that nothing has changed - that's factually incorrect.

So you acknowledge that the odds are ridiculous? Good.

If I were you, I'd go wager the house. You may be on to something.

The odds are the same as every set of results that happen.

The odds are just as ridiculous as the last set of fixtures, and the ones before that and that and that and that and that and that.... Ad infinitum.

Roathie you were spouting the same rubbish 4 games ago yet the FACT is since the last time you were spouting the same bollcoks "If Hull win 2 and we lose 2" rubbish, we have actually gained a point on them.

So technically yes something has changed, but it is in CCFC's favour, not against as you are trying to make out.

Hull were 5 points behind having played 1 game more, now 6 behind with 1 game more.

As you were.

Yank,

You know who you are debating... right?

Roathie you were spouting the same rubbish 4 games ago yet the FACT is since the last time you were spouting the same bollcoks "If Hull win 2 and we lose 2" rubbish, we have actually gained a point on them.

So technically yes something has changed, but it is in CCFC's favour, not against as you are trying to make out.

Hull were 5 points behind having played 1 game more, now 6 behind with 1 game more.

As you were.

It doesn't matter what happened. AT THE TIME we were 5 points ahead, which is potentially 2 games worth of points ahead.it really isn't that difficult.

We are 4 points ahead now which is nearly down to a 1 game lead.

As you were.

Roathie you were spouting the same rubbish 4 games ago yet the FACT is since the last time you were spouting the same bollcoks "If Hull win 2 and we lose 2" rubbish, we have actually gained a point on them.

So technically yes something has changed, but it is in CCFC's favour, not against as you are trying to make out.

Hull were 5 points behind having played 1 game more, now 6 behind with 1 game more.

As you were.

It doesn't matter what happened. AT THE TIME we were 5 points ahead, which is potentially 2 games worth of points ahead.it really isn't that difficult.

We are 4 points ahead now which is nearly down to a 1 game lead.

As you were.

So nothing has changed then?

Its still 2 points plus a game in hand. Same as it was the morning this whole debate come about.

"Nearly down to 1" goes against everything you have ever said as you "cannot predict the future results".

It is nearly 3 just as much as its nearly 1 if you want to go down that route.

As you were