THERES ONLY ONE TIMMY HARTLEY THERES ONLY ONE TIMMY .....

We want Timmy Hartley round the board table , we want timmy hartley round the Emporors table

TIMMY IS THE LEADER TIMMY IS THE LEADER LA LA LA LA ( well of all 300 trust nutters anyway)

So whats he going to do around a board table , polish tannies shoes with a bit of spit and polish ?

f**k me , they have achieved absolutly f**k all , and when the time came to stand , they melted like butter on barbados beach !!! all that blue history of yours washed down the drain and all they could do was get british rail to make a stop at the halt ..... ha ha ha ha , and people pay for membership ??? spunked away money there !!!

Corky set this lot up didnt he ? - hey Corks has it gone as you planned ? --

You're the most weirdest person I have ever seen on the internet.

You're the most weirdest person I have ever seen on the internet.

you cant see me . so what the f**k you on about you sell out ?

I have ever seen on the internet? I can see the dribble your posting?

So whats he going to do around a board table , polish tannies shoes with a bit of spit and polish ?

f**k me , they have achieved absolutly f**k all , and when the time came to stand , they melted like butter on barbados beach !!! all that blue history of yours washed down the drain and all they could do was get british rail to make a stop at the halt ..... ha ha ha ha , and people pay for membership ??? spunked away money there !!!

Corky set this lot up didnt he ? - hey Corks has it gone as you planned ? --

Yes an opportunity missed that required strong leadership.

We want Timmy Hartley round the board table , we want timmy hartley round the Emporors table

TIMMY IS THE LEADER TIMMY IS THE LEADER LA LA LA LA ( well of all 300 trust nutters anyway)

You clearly have issues.

Drinking again are we Mr. Daya?

So whats he going to do around a board table , polish tannies shoes with a bit of spit and polish ?

f**k me , they have achieved absolutly f**k all , and when the time came to stand , they melted like butter on barbados beach !!! all that blue history of yours washed down the drain and all they could do was get british rail to make a stop at the halt ..... ha ha ha ha , and people pay for membership ??? spunked away money there !!!

Corky set this lot up didnt he ? - hey Corks has it gone as you planned ? --

You make a valid point its a shame you did so in such a childish manner

Ps Corky is too busy on Mikes board under his "pro red" alias...

So whats he going to do around a board table , polish tannies shoes with a bit of spit and polish ?

f**k me , they have achieved absolutly f**k all , and when the time came to stand , they melted like butter on barbados beach !!! all that blue history of yours washed down the drain and all they could do was get british rail to make a stop at the halt ..... ha ha ha ha , and people pay for membership ??? spunked away money there !!!

Corky set this lot up didnt he ? - hey Corks has it gone as you planned ? --

You make a valid point its a shame you did so in such a childish manner

Ps Corky is too busy on Mikes board under his "pro red" alias...

HONEST CADIFF How embarrassing. First post yeh?

So whats he going to do around a board table , polish tannies shoes with a bit of spit and polish ?

f**k me , they have achieved absolutly f**k all , and when the time came to stand , they melted like butter on barbados beach !!! all that blue history of yours washed down the drain and all they could do was get british rail to make a stop at the halt ..... ha ha ha ha , and people pay for membership ??? spunked away money there !!!

Corky set this lot up didnt he ? - hey Corks has it gone as you planned ? --

In all honesty not much they could have done. Their numbers are very low. If they came out and demanded this that and the other then the vast majority of fans who are not members would have said "they dont speak for me". They did arrange a meeting with Alan Whitely re ticket refunds and balloted their members and even then it was very close percentage who called for them to step in. So ultimatly a low membership and a low per cent of their own members calling for action. I can see some clubs going into admin needing trusts for fans to help them try and stay afloat sadly our trust I dont think the average fan knows what they do or stand for. On a positive they have arranged for trees to appear in the car park and there is a forthcoming evening at the club with some greats from the 80's appearing.

So whats he going to do around a board table , polish tannies shoes with a bit of spit and polish ?

f**k me , they have achieved absolutly f**k all , and when the time came to stand , they melted like butter on barbados beach !!! all that blue history of yours washed down the drain and all they could do was get british rail to make a stop at the halt ..... ha ha ha ha , and people pay for membership ??? spunked away money there !!!

Corky set this lot up didnt he ? - hey Corks has it gone as you planned ? --

That lemon your chewing on hasnt got any sweeter I see.

Not getting into a debate with you, im just laughing, because your a really sad
and twisted feller. For a West Ham wurzel you dont half keep up to date with
the goings-on of a Club that said "f**k OFF" (quite forcefully)

The Trust have a whole issue with putting the Chicken before the Egg. Honestly they have only 300 members and they believe that should entitle them to a seat on the board?

Right from the off the Trust's problem has been they have no appeal and that is why the membership numbers are so low. You have to earn respect in life it is not given to you and the Trust have badly failed on this score. In it's short life it has had 2 golden oppotunities to shine (Peter Ridsdale/Rebrand) and it was found wanting both times.

The excuse given both times was "it leaves the Trust in a difficult positon"

Well if Mr Hartley was given a place on the board then doesn't he understand he might have "difficult positions" to deal with?

They should get back to basics and admit that the whole Trust project up until now has been an absolute disaster. They need to wipe the slate clean and start again but this time concentrate on recruiting a sizable membership from our existing supporter base, rather than chasing brownie points for doing the PC thing in immigrant areas.

Only when the Trust has a sizable membership will they have the clout to be listened to, but until then they will remain a laughing stock.

The Trust have a whole issue with putting the Chicken before the Egg. Honestly they have only 300 members and they believe that should entitle them to a seat on the board?

Right from the off the Trust's problem has been they have no appeal and that is why the membership numbers are so low. You have to earn respect in life it is not given to you and the Trust have badly failed on this score. In it's short life it has had 2 golden oppotunities to shine (Peter Ridsdale/Rebrand) and it was found wanting both times.

The excuse given both times was "it leaves the Trust in a difficult positon"

Well if Mr Hartley was given a place on the board then doesn't he understand he might have "difficult positions" to deal with?

They should get back to basics and admit that the whole Trust project up until now has been an absolute disaster. They need to wipe the slate clean and start again but this time concentrate on recruiting a sizable membership from our existing supporter base, rather than chasing brownie points for doing the PC thing in immigrant areas.

Only when the Trust has a sizable membership will they have the clout to be listened to, but until then they will remain a laughing stock.

Not disagreeing with any of that.

Just wondering what its got to do with "booted out on my arse" Day?

If the current board are nodding dogs then I have no idea what this guy could do even if he was on the board. As much as we would like things asked for the fans it would never happen under tan.

The Trust have a whole issue with putting the Chicken before the Egg. Honestly they have only 300 members and they believe that should entitle them to a seat on the board?

Right from the off the Trust's problem has been they have no appeal and that is why the membership numbers are so low. You have to earn respect in life it is not given to you and the Trust have badly failed on this score. In it's short life it has had 2 golden oppotunities to shine (Peter Ridsdale/Rebrand) and it was found wanting both times.

The excuse given both times was "it leaves the Trust in a difficult positon"

Well if Mr Hartley was given a place on the board then doesn't he understand he might have "difficult positions" to deal with?

They should get back to basics and admit that the whole Trust project up until now has been an absolute disaster. They need to wipe the slate clean and start again but this time concentrate on recruiting a sizable membership from our existing supporter base, rather than chasing brownie points for doing the PC thing in immigrant areas.

Only when the Trust has a sizable membership will they have the clout to be listened to, but until then they will remain a laughing stock.

Not disagreeing with any of that.

Just wondering what its got to do with "booted out on my arse" Day?

Taffy, what happened with Daya? I missed it and you make it sound intriguing when you frequently mention it!

The Trust have a whole issue with putting the Chicken before the Egg. Honestly they have only 300 members and they believe that should entitle them to a seat on the board?

Right from the off the Trust's problem has been they have no appeal and that is why the membership numbers are so low. You have to earn respect in life it is not given to you and the Trust have badly failed on this score. In it's short life it has had 2 golden oppotunities to shine (Peter Ridsdale/Rebrand) and it was found wanting both times.

The excuse given both times was "it leaves the Trust in a difficult positon"

Well if Mr Hartley was given a place on the board then doesn't he understand he might have "difficult positions" to deal with?

They should get back to basics and admit that the whole Trust project up until now has been an absolute disaster. They need to wipe the slate clean and start again but this time concentrate on recruiting a sizable membership from our existing supporter base, rather than chasing brownie points for doing the PC thing in immigrant areas.

Only when the Trust has a sizable membership will they have the clout to be listened to, but until then they will remain a laughing stock.

Not disagreeing with any of that.

Just wondering what its got to do with "booted out on my arse" Day?

Tony post is reference to the Trust of which Tim is part of.

The Trust have a whole issue with putting the Chicken before the Egg. Honestly they have only 300 members and they believe that should entitle them to a seat on the board?

Right from the off the Trust's problem has been they have no appeal and that is why the membership numbers are so low. You have to earn respect in life it is not given to you and the Trust have badly failed on this score. In it's short life it has had 2 golden oppotunities to shine (Peter Ridsdale/Rebrand) and it was found wanting both times.

The excuse given both times was "it leaves the Trust in a difficult positon"

Well if Mr Hartley was given a place on the board then doesn't he understand he might have "difficult positions" to deal with?

They should get back to basics and admit that the whole Trust project up until now has been an absolute disaster. They need to wipe the slate clean and start again but this time concentrate on recruiting a sizable membership from our existing supporter base, rather than chasing brownie points for doing the PC thing in immigrant areas.

Only when the Trust has a sizable membership will they have the clout to be listened to, but until then they will remain a laughing stock.

Tony

I actually agree with some of the things you say so my response is not here just for arguments sake , but some of your comments are wildly inaccurate and need a response for the sake of balance and reasonableness.

The Trust does not only have 300 members , it has over double that.Indeed it has more members than the vast majority of other Trusts of clubs in the Championship. (I know this from attending meetings of that group).
However , I agree that its numbers are far too low at present to greatly influence the club (I have some personal doubts that even 20,000 members would get Mr Tan to listen which is why he blocked the idea of a survey of season ticket holders at the time of the initial rebranding announcement despite representatives of the Trust , Supporters Club , messageboards etc all agreeing that this would be a good idea and suggesting it to the club at the time).But the fact that it is difficult to implement shouldn`t mean people should stop trying.

The idea of supporter representation on club boards is one shared by the whole Supporters Direct movement and the FSF (so representing over 100,000 fans) as well as by the Government , its not just some kind of whim of the CCST. The form of representation is open to debate and , in my belief , will vary greatly depending on the size of a club concerned. At the very least though it should involve having a part of each board meeting agenda dedicated to fan issues - so a fans rep could be involved in that part and not other parts involving commercially sensitive information etc (happens often in normal commercial enterprises). This would enable fans issues to be raised and answers pressed for (or unwillingness to answer reported back) by an independent body voted for regularly by the fans themselves. At present the only independent democratically elected fans`body in football clubs are the Trusts.An existing board member , whather also a fan or not , cannot do this as there is a clear economic conflict involved. (e.g. Steve Borley is undoubtedly a fan but is economically dependent on Vincent Tan).

I don`t follow your point about missed opportunities re Peter Ridsdale , but fully take on board that a mixed set of views from the initial survey of members re the rebranding meant that the issue wasn`t taken forward as powerfully as it might have been with a different result.That was the "difficult position" you refer to. Personally , I was disappointed with that survey result as I have strong views on the rebranding (which I usefully express forcefully with the club at meetings in a personal capacity) but that`s democracy for you!
With Ridsdale , the Trust board were well aware that he was on his last legs at the club as it were and about to be ousted by the Malaysians , so no point in kicking up a fuss over something that was about to happen anyway. The march to the ground was another way of approaching it which may have helped , but didn`t cause him to go. I attended that march as did other Trust board members and it was clearly suggested that Trust members should make their own mind up whether they wanted to or not - they are adults with their own independent mind and don`t need to be told what to do, nor should they.There was no "difficult position" expressed there or existing there at all.

I obviously don`t agree that the Trust should wipe the slate clean and start again or that it has been a disaster. And at some point neither did you as you stood for election to its board , which necessitates believing in its principles in being eligible to stand. Stand again for election if you want to change things. There are new elections coming up shortly and if enough members believe in what you want to do , they will elect you and you can help change things from within.Its open to any Trust member to stand and people are voted in on a simple one adult member one vote basis with an independent opening , count and announcement of votes cast.
This is a genuine question now because I have forgotten , but I can`t recall what your "campaign message" that accompanied your ballot paper to members seeking their votes was.If you could remind me on here , there may well be important issues in that paper that need to be addressed and carried forward by the Trust board in any case.

As I said , this is meant as a balanced response to promote a sensible debate of an important issue not just to trigger an argument.

Keith

The Trust have a whole issue with putting the Chicken before the Egg. Honestly they have only 300 members and they believe that should entitle them to a seat on the board?

Right from the off the Trust's problem has been they have no appeal and that is why the membership numbers are so low. You have to earn respect in life it is not given to you and the Trust have badly failed on this score. In it's short life it has had 2 golden oppotunities to shine (Peter Ridsdale/Rebrand) and it was found wanting both times.

The excuse given both times was "it leaves the Trust in a difficult positon"

Well if Mr Hartley was given a place on the board then doesn't he understand he might have "difficult positions" to deal with?

They should get back to basics and admit that the whole Trust project up until now has been an absolute disaster. They need to wipe the slate clean and start again but this time concentrate on recruiting a sizable membership from our existing supporter base, rather than chasing brownie points for doing the PC thing in immigrant areas.

Only when the Trust has a sizable membership will they have the clout to be listened to, but until then they will remain a laughing stock.

Not disagreeing with any of that.

Just wondering what its got to do with "booted out on my arse" Day?

Taffy, what happened with Daya? I missed it and you make it sound intriguing when you frequently mention it!

He lost the plot when he was shown the door and became persona non grata at Cardiff City.

Thats about it really.

He cant deny it either, or he wouldnt keep coming back slagging off all things
Cardiff City. Easy. He's gone potty.

Spiced the old board up a bit i see , like trying to put life into a koi carp after 12 hours out the water

Old Taffy takes the biggest maggot as normal

The Trust have a whole issue with putting the Chicken before the Egg. Honestly they have only 300 members and they believe that should entitle them to a seat on the board?

Right from the off the Trust's problem has been they have no appeal and that is why the membership numbers are so low. You have to earn respect in life it is not given to you and the Trust have badly failed on this score. In it's short life it has had 2 golden oppotunities to shine (Peter Ridsdale/Rebrand) and it was found wanting both times.

The excuse given both times was "it leaves the Trust in a difficult positon"

Well if Mr Hartley was given a place on the board then doesn't he understand he might have "difficult positions" to deal with?

They should get back to basics and admit that the whole Trust project up until now has been an absolute disaster. They need to wipe the slate clean and start again but this time concentrate on recruiting a sizable membership from our existing supporter base, rather than chasing brownie points for doing the PC thing in immigrant areas.

Only when the Trust has a sizable membership will they have the clout to be listened to, but until then they will remain a laughing stock.

Not disagreeing with any of that.

Just wondering what its got to do with "booted out on my arse" Day?

Taffy, what happened with Daya? I missed it and you make it sound intriguing when you frequently mention it!

He lost the plot when he was shown the door and became persona non grata at Cardiff City.

Thats about it really.

He cant deny it either, or he wouldnt keep coming back slagging off all things
Cardiff City. Easy. He's gone potty.

fact - 5 year ban AFTER i had stopped watching. Fact appealed and asked for 10 minimum.

Very simple. Don't let the truth get in the way Taffy boy !!! Bitter ??? i just come back to watch the franchise circus its hilarious to those of us on the outside .

Spiced the old board up a bit i see , like trying to put life into a koi carp after 12 hours out the water

Old Taffy takes the biggest maggot as normal

You have to spice it up abit now and then, what i like to do

The Trust have a whole issue with putting the Chicken before the Egg. Honestly they have only 300 members and they believe that should entitle them to a seat on the board?

Right from the off the Trust's problem has been they have no appeal and that is why the membership numbers are so low. You have to earn respect in life it is not given to you and the Trust have badly failed on this score. In it's short life it has had 2 golden oppotunities to shine (Peter Ridsdale/Rebrand) and it was found wanting both times.

The excuse given both times was "it leaves the Trust in a difficult positon"

Well if Mr Hartley was given a place on the board then doesn't he understand he might have "difficult positions" to deal with?

They should get back to basics and admit that the whole Trust project up until now has been an absolute disaster. They need to wipe the slate clean and start again but this time concentrate on recruiting a sizable membership from our existing supporter base, rather than chasing brownie points for doing the PC thing in immigrant areas.

Only when the Trust has a sizable membership will they have the clout to be listened to, but until then they will remain a laughing stock.

Not disagreeing with any of that.

Just wondering what its got to do with "booted out on my arse" Day?

Taffy, what happened with Daya? I missed it and you make it sound intriguing when you frequently mention it!

He lost the plot when he was shown the door and became persona non grata at Cardiff City.

Thats about it really.

He cant deny it either, or he wouldnt keep coming back slagging off all things
Cardiff City. Easy. He's gone potty.

fact - 5 year ban AFTER i had stopped watching. Fact appealed and asked for 10 minimum.

Very simple. Don't let the truth get in the way Taffy boy !!! Bitter ??? i just come back to watch the franchise circus its hilarious to those of us on the outside .

Serious? You think people on here cant tell you have obviously been deeply hurt by
what happened to you, you are carrying a grudge and i LOVE not letting you get
away with you dummy-spitting hatred of Cardiff City

But trust me, I do feel sorry for you feller.

The Trust have a whole issue with putting the Chicken before the Egg. Honestly they have only 300 members and they believe that should entitle them to a seat on the board?

Right from the off the Trust's problem has been they have no appeal and that is why the membership numbers are so low. You have to earn respect in life it is not given to you and the Trust have badly failed on this score. In it's short life it has had 2 golden oppotunities to shine (Peter Ridsdale/Rebrand) and it was found wanting both times.

The excuse given both times was "it leaves the Trust in a difficult positon"

Well if Mr Hartley was given a place on the board then doesn't he understand he might have "difficult positions" to deal with?

They should get back to basics and admit that the whole Trust project up until now has been an absolute disaster. They need to wipe the slate clean and start again but this time concentrate on recruiting a sizable membership from our existing supporter base, rather than chasing brownie points for doing the PC thing in immigrant areas.

Only when the Trust has a sizable membership will they have the clout to be listened to, but until then they will remain a laughing stock.

Not disagreeing with any of that.

Just wondering what its got to do with "booted out on my arse" Day?

Tony post is reference to the Trust of which Tim is part of.

And my question was.. whats it got to do with Daya.

Hey Mr Moderator, where did your 'touting thread' go

The Trust have a whole issue with putting the Chicken before the Egg. Honestly they have only 300 members and they believe that should entitle them to a seat on the board?

Right from the off the Trust's problem has been they have no appeal and that is why the membership numbers are so low. You have to earn respect in life it is not given to you and the Trust have badly failed on this score. In it's short life it has had 2 golden oppotunities to shine (Peter Ridsdale/Rebrand) and it was found wanting both times.

The excuse given both times was "it leaves the Trust in a difficult positon"

Well if Mr Hartley was given a place on the board then doesn't he understand he might have "difficult positions" to deal with?

They should get back to basics and admit that the whole Trust project up until now has been an absolute disaster. They need to wipe the slate clean and start again but this time concentrate on recruiting a sizable membership from our existing supporter base, rather than chasing brownie points for doing the PC thing in immigrant areas.

Only when the Trust has a sizable membership will they have the clout to be listened to, but until then they will remain a laughing stock.

Not disagreeing with any of that.

Just wondering what its got to do with "booted out on my arse" Day?

Taffy, what happened with Daya? I missed it and you make it sound intriguing when you frequently mention it!

He lost the plot when he was shown the door and became persona non grata at Cardiff City.

Thats about it really.

He cant deny it either, or he wouldnt keep coming back slagging off all things
Cardiff City. Easy. He's gone potty.

fact - 5 year ban AFTER i had stopped watching. Fact appealed and asked for 10 minimum.

Very simple. Don't let the truth get in the way Taffy boy !!! Bitter ??? i just come back to watch the franchise circus its hilarious to those of us on the outside .

Serious? You think people on here cant tell you have obviously been deeply hurt by
what happened to you, you are carrying a grudge and i LOVE not letting you get
away with you dummy-spitting hatred of Cardiff City

But trust me, I do feel sorry for you feller.

Hurt grudge hate

Life too short to do any of those fella over a football team. Especially a red franchise one

Hows your bluebird anyway ? still standing by ready to walk when it comes of the badge ?

The Trust have a whole issue with putting the Chicken before the Egg. Honestly they have only 300 members and they believe that should entitle them to a seat on the board?

Right from the off the Trust's problem has been they have no appeal and that is why the membership numbers are so low. You have to earn respect in life it is not given to you and the Trust have badly failed on this score. In it's short life it has had 2 golden oppotunities to shine (Peter Ridsdale/Rebrand) and it was found wanting both times.

The excuse given both times was "it leaves the Trust in a difficult positon"

Well if Mr Hartley was given a place on the board then doesn't he understand he might have "difficult positions" to deal with?

They should get back to basics and admit that the whole Trust project up until now has been an absolute disaster. They need to wipe the slate clean and start again but this time concentrate on recruiting a sizable membership from our existing supporter base, rather than chasing brownie points for doing the PC thing in immigrant areas.

Only when the Trust has a sizable membership will they have the clout to be listened to, but until then they will remain a laughing stock.

Not disagreeing with any of that.

Just wondering what its got to do with "booted out on my arse" Day?

Tony post is reference to the Trust of which Tim is part of.

And my question was.. whats it got to do with Daya.

Hey Mr Moderator, where did your 'touting thread' go

yea whats it got to do with me ? although I would love to see Hartley on the board add to the entertainment value of reading this board

Hurt grudge hate

Life too short to do any of those fella over a football team. Especially a red franchise one

Hows your bluebird anyway ? still standing by ready to walk when it comes of the badge ?[/quote]

Bitter. are you not embarrassed to come on this board after your big girly

"I'm gone for good - my beloved West Ham need me"

A man is only as good as his word in my book. I keep mine!

Hurt grudge hate

Life too short to do any of those fella over a football team. Especially a red franchise one

Hows your bluebird anyway ? still standing by ready to walk when it comes of the badge ?

Bitter. are you not embarrassed to come on this board after your big girly

"I'm gone for good - my beloved West Ham need me"

A man is only as good as his word in my book. I keep mine![/quote]


Okay Dave - I will save a seat at UP next season for you we can go and see your mucker !

Hurt grudge hate

Life too short to do any of those fella over a football team. Especially a red franchise one

Hows your bluebird anyway ? still standing by ready to walk when it comes of the badge ?

Bitter. are you not embarrassed to come on this board after your big girly

"I'm gone for good - my beloved West Ham need me"

A man is only as good as his word in my book. I keep mine!

Okay Dave - I will save a seat at UP next season for you we can go and see your mucker !

You didnt answer the question

Lets all laugh at Daya and how much our success is getting to him