Swansea the greatest team to come out of Wales?

Chris Wathan asks the question..



http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballna ... -32690426/

No, is the simple answer to the question because the Cardiff side of the 1920s was more successful in the league and cup. If the question was changed to is the current Swansea side getting the best achievements possible by a Welsh football club in the modern day TV driven era then the answer is probably yes. I am not sure we would be able to achieve two mid table premiership finishes and a cup which is what they might achieve after this season. Although we have been in two cup finals in the past five years so haven't been far behind on that front even from the championship. Tan will have to do a Man City or Swansea need to start going backwards for us to overtake them in the short term. But they will always be the second biggest supported team in Wales, I can't see that changing.

No, is the simple answer to the question because the Cardiff side of the 1920s was more successful in the league and cup. If the question was changed to is the current Swansea side getting the best achievements possible by a Welsh football club in the modern day TV driven era then the answer is probably yes. I am not sure we would be able to achieve two mid table premiership finishes and a cup which is what they might achieve after this season. Although we have been in two cup finals in the past five years so haven't been far behind on that front even from the championship. Tan will have to do a Man City or Swansea need to start going backwards for us to overtake them in the short term. But they will always be the second biggest supported team in Wales, I can't see that changing.

Got to agree with this.

No, is the simple answer to the question because the Cardiff side of the 1920s was more successful in the league and cup. If the question was changed to is the current Swansea side getting the best achievements possible by a Welsh football club in the modern day TV driven era then the answer is probably yes. I am not sure we would be able to achieve two mid table premiership finishes and a cup which is what they might achieve after this season. Although we have been in two cup finals in the past five years so haven't been far behind on that front even from the championship. Tan will have to do a Man City or Swansea need to start going backwards for us to overtake them in the short term. But they will always be the second biggest supported team in Wales, I can't see that changing.

Probably agree with the majority of that in fairness, although I don't think cup finals and championship play offs are in anyway comparable to two consecutive mid table Prem finishes and a cup win (if the expected happens).

No, is the simple answer to the question because the Cardiff side of the 1920s was more successful in the league and cup. If the question was changed to is the current Swansea side getting the best achievements possible by a Welsh football club in the modern day TV driven era then the answer is probably yes. I am not sure we would be able to achieve two mid table premiership finishes and a cup which is what they might achieve after this season. Although we have been in two cup finals in the past five years so haven't been far behind on that front even from the championship. Tan will have to do a Man City or Swansea need to start going backwards for us to overtake them in the short term. But they will always be the second biggest supported team in Wales, I can't see that changing.

Probably agree with the majority of that in fairness, although I don't think cup finals and championship play offs are in anyway comparable to two consecutive mid table Prem finishes and a cup win (if the expected happens).

Mid table prem finishes are just that.
The cup however is a little devalued by the team you are playing against in the final.
Just as it will seem a lot more to Bradford should they win.
Had it been Man U/ Man City/ or any team of note in the final ...but as they say, you can only play what's in front of you.
You will most prob win the cup, but it will always be remembered who it was in the final.
If however Bradford win it, it will be be more of a worthy win.
Seems a bit bias maybe, but I think a fair assessment.

No, is the simple answer to the question because the Cardiff side of the 1920s was more successful in the league and cup. If the question was changed to is the current Swansea side getting the best achievements possible by a Welsh football club in the modern day TV driven era then the answer is probably yes. I am not sure we would be able to achieve two mid table premiership finishes and a cup which is what they might achieve after this season. Although we have been in two cup finals in the past five years so haven't been far behind on that front even from the championship. Tan will have to do a Man City or Swansea need to start going backwards for us to overtake them in the short term. But they will always be the second biggest supported team in Wales, I can't see that changing.

Probably agree with the majority of that in fairness, although I don't think cup finals and championship play offs are in anyway comparable to two consecutive mid table Prem finishes and a cup win (if the expected happens).

Mid table prem finishes are just that.
The cup however is a little devalued by the team you are playing against in the final.
Just as it will seem a lot more to Bradford should they win.
Had it been Man U/ Man City/ or any team of note in the final ...but as they say, you can only play what's in front of you.
You will most prob win the cup, but it will always be remembered who it was in the final.
If however Bradford win it, it will be be more of a worthy win.
Seems a bit bias maybe, but I think a fair assessment.

No cups are worth more than others based on the finalists, that's a crazy notion. it's like saying Man Uniteds league title isn't worth as much if they actually win it and declared champions against Wigan. Only morons think the cup is a one off match, swans knocked out current cup holders Liverpool 3-1 away and European cup holders chelsea 2-0 over 2 legs to get there. Cardiffs final was against Woolwich Arsenal for example. It will only be remembered by the finalists by Cardiff fans and Bradford fans.

i reckon we are and im not just saying it because im a swans fan
defiantly what we might achieve after this season

i reckon we are and im not just saying it because im a swans fan
defiantly what we might achieve after this season

IF swans win the cup and Improve again on the league position then ill agree. But right now I have to agree with the Cardiff team of the 20's purely because they did it.

Last edited by Parlay on Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:04 am, edited 1 time in total.

No, is the simple answer to the question because the Cardiff side of the 1920s was more successful in the league and cup. If the question was changed to is the current Swansea side getting the best achievements possible by a Welsh football club in the modern day TV driven era then the answer is probably yes. I am not sure we would be able to achieve two mid table premiership finishes and a cup which is what they might achieve after this season. Although we have been in two cup finals in the past five years so haven't been far behind on that front even from the championship. Tan will have to do a Man City or Swansea need to start going backwards for us to overtake them in the short term. But they will always be the second biggest supported team in Wales, I can't see that changing.

Probably agree with the majority of that in fairness, although I don't think cup finals and championship play offs are in anyway comparable to two consecutive mid table Prem finishes and a cup win (if the expected happens).

Mid table prem finishes are just that.
The cup however is a little devalued by the team you are playing against in the final.
Just as it will seem a lot more to Bradford should they win.
Had it been Man U/ Man City/ or any team of note in the final ...but as they say, you can only play what's in front of you.
You will most prob win the cup, but it will always be remembered who it was in the final.
If however Bradford win it, it will be be more of a worthy win.
Seems a bit bias maybe, but I think a fair assessment.

No cups are worth more than others based on the finalists, that's a crazy notion. it's like saying Man Uniteds league title isn't worth as much if they actually win it and declared champions against Wigan. Only morons think the cup is a one off match, swans knocked out current cup holders Liverpool 3-1 away and European cup holders chelsea 2-0 over 2 legs to get there. Cardiffs final was against Woolwich Arsenal for example. It will only be remembered by the finalists by Cardiff fans and Bradford fans.

Who do you think will have achieved most in the final when either of you win?

Liverpool beating us last year was no great shakes as they beat a championship side. It was expected.
You are now expected to beat a team so far below you it matters not a lot.

Your final really in my eyes was you win over two legs against Chelsea. A brilliant feat by no means. (Although the limelight has been taken away by a ball-boy)

No, is the simple answer to the question because the Cardiff side of the 1920s was more successful in the league and cup. If the question was changed to is the current Swansea side getting the best achievements possible by a Welsh football club in the modern day TV driven era then the answer is probably yes. I am not sure we would be able to achieve two mid table premiership finishes and a cup which is what they might achieve after this season. Although we have been in two cup finals in the past five years so haven't been far behind on that front even from the championship. Tan will have to do a Man City or Swansea need to start going backwards for us to overtake them in the short term. But they will always be the second biggest supported team in Wales, I can't see that changing.

Probably agree with the majority of that in fairness, although I don't think cup finals and championship play offs are in anyway comparable to two consecutive mid table Prem finishes and a cup win (if the expected happens).

Mid table prem finishes are just that.
The cup however is a little devalued by the team you are playing against in the final.
Just as it will seem a lot more to Bradford should they win.
Had it been Man U/ Man City/ or any team of note in the final ...but as they say, you can only play what's in front of you.
You will most prob win the cup, but it will always be remembered who it was in the final.
If however Bradford win it, it will be be more of a worthy win.
Seems a bit bias maybe, but I think a fair assessment.

No cups are worth more than others based on the finalists, that's a crazy notion. it's like saying Man Uniteds league title isn't worth as much if they actually win it and declared champions against Wigan. Only morons think the cup is a one off match, swans knocked out current cup holders Liverpool 3-1 away and European cup holders chelsea 2-0 over 2 legs to get there. Cardiffs final was against Woolwich Arsenal for example. It will only be remembered by the finalists by Cardiff fans and Bradford fans.

Who do you think will have achieved most in the final when either of you win?

Liverpool beating us last year was no great shakes as they beat a championship side. It was expected.
You are now expected to beat a team so far below you it matters not a lot.

Neither team. The prize is the same. There's less chance of Bradford winning it granted, but in the history books it will still say League Cup winners 2013.

Nope.

No cups are worth more than others based on the finalists, that's a crazy notion. it's like saying Man Uniteds league title isn't worth as much if they actually win it and declared champions against Wigan. Only morons think the cup is a one off match, swans knocked out current cup holders Liverpool 3-1 away and European cup holders chelsea 2-0 over 2 legs to get there. Cardiffs final was against Woolwich Arsenal for example. It will only be remembered by the finalists by Cardiff fans and Bradford fans.[/quote]

Who do you think will have achieved most in the final when either of you win?

Liverpool beating us last year was no great shakes as they beat a championship side. It was expected.
You are now expected to beat a team so far below you it matters not a lot. [/quote]

Neither team. The prize is the same. There's less chance of Bradford winning it granted, but in the history books it will still say League Cup winners 2013.[/quote]

So,your saying that your getting to the final is just as remarkable as Bradfords?
Nah.....
What it will say on the the cup is winners 2013 are.... I agree, but we as your rivals will never let you forget you beat little old Bradford City IF you do win.

No cups are worth more than others based on the finalists, that's a crazy notion. it's like saying Man Uniteds league title isn't worth as much if they actually win it and declared champions against Wigan. Only morons think the cup is a one off match, swans knocked out current cup holders Liverpool 3-1 away and European cup holders chelsea 2-0 over 2 legs to get there. Cardiffs final was against Woolwich Arsenal for example. It will only be remembered by the finalists by Cardiff fans and Bradford fans.

Who do you think will have achieved most in the final when either of you win?

Liverpool beating us last year was no great shakes as they beat a championship side. It was expected.
You are now expected to beat a team so far below you it matters not a lot. [/quote]

Neither team. The prize is the same. There's less chance of Bradford winning it granted, but in the history books it will still say League Cup winners 2013.[/quote]

So,your saying that your getting to the final is just as remarkable as Bradfords?
Nah.....
What it will say on the the cup is winners 2013 are.... I agree, but we as your rivals will never let you forget you beat little old Bradford City IF you do win. [/quote]
I know there in league 2 but i wouldn't call Bradford a little club they got potential of being big

No cups are worth more than others based on the finalists, that's a crazy notion. it's like saying Man Uniteds league title isn't worth as much if they actually win it and declared champions against Wigan. Only morons think the cup is a one off match, swans knocked out current cup holders Liverpool 3-1 away and European cup holders chelsea 2-0 over 2 legs to get there. Cardiffs final was against Woolwich Arsenal for example. It will only be remembered by the finalists by Cardiff fans and Bradford fans.

Who do you think will have achieved most in the final when either of you win?

Liverpool beating us last year was no great shakes as they beat a championship side. It was expected.
You are now expected to beat a team so far below you it matters not a lot.

Neither team. The prize is the same. There's less chance of Bradford winning it granted, but in the history books it will still say League Cup winners 2013.[/quote]

So,your saying that your getting to the final is just as remarkable as Bradfords?
Nah.....
What it will say on the the cup is winners 2013 are.... I agree, but we as your rivals will never let you forget you beat little old Bradford City IF you do win. [/quote]
I know there in league 2 but i wouldn't call Bradford a little club they got potential of being big[/quote]

In reality a small scalp though.
Far more kudos for them than you.

So,your saying that your getting to the final is just as remarkable as Bradfords?
Nah.....
What it will say on the the cup is winners 2013 are.... I agree, but we as your rivals will never let you forget you beat little old Bradford City IF you do win.

Different argument all together. You asked me who would have achieved more.

The answer is just the same, as the prize is the same for all winners.

I'm sure Swansea will be there to remind you that they beat the European champions over 2 legs and the current cup holders 3-1 away to earn the right to play whoever else got to the final. I'm sure they won't mind.

Porto won the champions league, so did Barca - neither win is more important or worthy than the other. Both will go down in the history books regardless of opposition.

Stupid question to be honest. You can't compare across generations. Teams at the time could only play what was in front of them. Im sick of these type of questions in the International game to. Spain of the modern era or 70's Brazil etc. Impossible to say as the game has evolved so much that its ridiculous to compare. There are numerous factors to take into consideration. You could even go into how wages have made life more luxurious for players of the modern era that they have less stress on them than those in the 20's and do a psychological report on the whole damn thing. Then you could say how the media in the modern era has placed immense pressure on todays athletes. This question will just get biased response in the majority and then a few trying to be rational.

f**k OFF YOU JACK CUNTS!!

Surely there must be a board of your own somewhere? One that gives out
free methadone vouchers etc

The 1920's

Creased here

This mb is becoming all about swansea town.

Are things that quiet?

Swansea are doing great that's plain to see, I don't have to like it though. What I do like is it gives Cardiff a nice bench mark to rise to and kick their arse!

for me it's the city side of the 5o's. The incredible win over Real just stands out against everything else.

Then the city side in the 20's who were So close to winning the league (and under Modern rules actually would have)were FA cup Winners &Semi finalists

This Swansea side are good and beating Chelsea over 2 legs was an exceptional acheivment but the least respected domestic cup and mid-table isn't all that impressive Compared to city's previous achievements

Chris Wathan asks the question..



http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballna ... -32690426/

Erm, NO!!

Short debate

Not by a LONG chalk!!

Wathan is a JB. I won't even bother reading his crap, he's only a little boy and knows f-all, he's only been around about 5 years.

The best team Wales hass produced EVER has to be the most successful one - and that would be Cardiff City of the 20's who finished 2nd in the league on goal difference.

When the jacks win the title then they can claim it until then its a simple 'no'.

In fact, until they finish better than 6th, like Toshack's team did they aren't even the best side to come out of Swansea.

Now if they are talking about the best post war then that would be a different question.

Why do you think we'd find this interesting? If you do then post it in Jack land.

And the simple answer to the question is, no.

No, is the simple answer to the question because the Cardiff side of the 1920s was more successful in the league and cup. If the question was changed to is the current Swansea side getting the best achievements possible by a Welsh football club in the modern day TV driven era then the answer is probably yes. I am not sure we would be able to achieve two mid table premiership finishes and a cup which is what they might achieve after this season. Although we have been in two cup finals in the past five years so haven't been far behind on that front even from the championship. Tan will have to do a Man City or Swansea need to start going backwards for us to overtake them in the short term. But they will always be the second biggest supported team in Wales, I can't see that changing.

Probably agree with the majority of that in fairness, although I don't think cup finals and championship play offs are in anyway comparable to two consecutive mid table Prem finishes and a cup win (if the expected happens).

Mid table prem finishes are just that.
The cup however is a little devalued by the team you are playing against in the final.
Just as it will seem a lot more to Bradford should they win.
Had it been Man U/ Man City/ or any team of note in the final ...but as they say, you can only play what's in front of you.
You will most prob win the cup, but it will always be remembered who it was in the final.
If however Bradford win it, it will be be more of a worthy win.
Seems a bit bias maybe, but I think a fair assessment.

No cups are worth more than others based on the finalists, that's a crazy notion. it's like saying Man Uniteds league title isn't worth as much if they actually win it and declared champions against Wigan. Only morons think the cup is a one off match, swans knocked out current cup holders Liverpool 3-1 away and European cup holders chelsea 2-0 over 2 legs to get there. Cardiffs final was against Woolwich Arsenal for example. It will only be remembered by the finalists by Cardiff fans and Bradford fans.

The team Cardiff beat in the final was ARSENAL not Woolwich Arsenal, the Woolwich was dropped the last but one game of the 1914 season

No, is the simple answer to the question because the Cardiff side of the 1920s was more successful in the league and cup. If the question was changed to is the current Swansea side getting the best achievements possible by a Welsh football club in the modern day TV driven era then the answer is probably yes. I am not sure we would be able to achieve two mid table premiership finishes and a cup which is what they might achieve after this season. Although we have been in two cup finals in the past five years so haven't been far behind on that front even from the championship. Tan will have to do a Man City or Swansea need to start going backwards for us to overtake them in the short term. But they will always be the second biggest supported team in Wales, I can't see that changing.

How can you compare a team from the 1920's to today ffs, this swansea team is the best welsh club team ever.

No, is the simple answer to the question because the Cardiff side of the 1920s was more successful in the league and cup. If the question was changed to is the current Swansea side getting the best achievements possible by a Welsh football club in the modern day TV driven era then the answer is probably yes. I am not sure we would be able to achieve two mid table premiership finishes and a cup which is what they might achieve after this season. Although we have been in two cup finals in the past five years so haven't been far behind on that front even from the championship. Tan will have to do a Man City or Swansea need to start going backwards for us to overtake them in the short term. But they will always be the second biggest supported team in Wales, I can't see that changing.

How can you compare a team from the 1920's to today ffs, this swansea team is the best welsh club team ever.

But that statement means that you are also comparing them to the 1920s team.

No, is the simple answer to the question because the Cardiff side of the 1920s was more successful in the league and cup. If the question was changed to is the current Swansea side getting the best achievements possible by a Welsh football club in the modern day TV driven era then the answer is probably yes. I am not sure we would be able to achieve two mid table premiership finishes and a cup which is what they might achieve after this season. Although we have been in two cup finals in the past five years so haven't been far behind on that front even from the championship. Tan will have to do a Man City or Swansea need to start going backwards for us to overtake them in the short term. But they will always be the second biggest supported team in Wales, I can't see that changing.

How can you compare a team from the 1920's to today ffs, this swansea team is the best welsh club team ever.

But that statement means that you are also comparing them to the 1920s team.

don't complicate things for him.

Cardiff fans were tamping that day as the headline in all the rags was 'WHEEL INVENTED' and according to historians Cardiff City fans felt their great cup win was overshadowed.