Danny Thommo.

Shabana Mahmood has today said that all women traveling on these dinghys are raped on the trip over , yet the government still allow these savages in to the country and on to our streets , I believe british citizens are well within their rights to try and stop this as our government and police forces just roll out the red carpet even after admitting they are rapists

Actually, whether you are left, centre or right wing (like me), none of the above is 'within their rights' to try and stop this.

As frustrating as illegal immigration is, it is not right to take the law into one's own hands and I, even though I am right wing in my views, cannot condone and will not condone any left, centre, right, or far-right, organisation that employs masked bully boys masquerading as 'patriots', using or threatening violence against anyone. We are a civilised society, are we not, who rely on our leaders, however flawed, to lead us.

In times of grave crisis, the citizens of this island nation, have rallied and taken arms in time of need, when directed by our goverment, to serve the country and defend it, one has only to look at major conflicts such as The Great War and World War Two as prime examples.

Latest official figures are that since 2018, a total of 205,000 immigrants have come over to the UK, (as much as it sticks in my craw to say it, figures have massively fallen under Liebour) against a total UK population of 69.5 million people. By my maths thats 0.29% of the total population that are immigrants in the last 8 years.

Now, as right wing and anti-illegal immigration as I am, even I can see that that does not constitute a 'grave' crisis.

People will point out that illegal immigrants rape and murder our citizens. Yes some of them do. But statisically, 80% of sex crimes in the UK are perpetrated by white, british born males. Not surprising stats when you compute the above official stats regarding numbers of immigrants since 2018.

Believe me, this country has more pressing problems that illegal immigration, and the sooner Liebour are out the better, but it has to be the Tories in next election. Not Reform. Granted illegal immigration was rife the last time the Conservative party were in, but Reform? Their only slogan is 'Stop the Boats' - How you going to that then Mr Farage? Put a maginot line round the South Coast and blow them out of the water? Bit of news for you and Reform. Thats as illegal as illegal immigration. There are ALWAY going to be boats it's the nature of the beast, you cannot defend every sqaure yard of the English Channel its impossible. Change Asylum rules? Good luck on that - the right of asylum (genuine asylum) is not something you can interfere with readily. Deport them as soon as they land? Nope you cant do that you have to go through the proper process.

As a right winger myself, Reform would be a disaster - half of them were in charge when the Conservatives were in power before Liebour.

Whats the answer then? I don't know, but I know it's not far-right violence and thuggery. Makes us no better than anyone else.

Respect you withdrawing the domestic abuse lie
Afghan, Eritrean, and Syrian migrants commit sexual offences at 3 times the rate British people do.
I suggest you read Reforms manifesto before claiming their only policy is to stop the boats.
These boats have to be stopped, allowing unvettted migrants to flood into the country is insane. And the Bay of Pigs can ram their Nation of Sanctuary right up their Nat King.

Im afraid thats not borne out by offical statistics regarding serious crime involving violent/sexual/murder offences. Not my statistics - police/court statistics. over 80% of all sexual offences are committed by white british born males, which is hardly surprising considering that since 2018 the number of immigrants is officially 205,000 against a UK population of 69.5 million.

Ive read Reforms manifesto. Ive seen more believable stories in the Beano and Dandy.

There is no 'flood' of unvetted illegal immigrants into the country. I'd class it as a trickle, based on overall numbers since 2018 of 205,000 and a concern, but this country has bigger challenges and problems than the boats at this present moment in time.

Oh - and I wouldnt vote reform if you paid me £5 milllion pounds (that number sounds familiar). Their leader, apart from being a grifting twot, makes things up as he goes along. He criticised Burnham for abolishing the triple lock on pensions propoasl, conveiniently forgetting that he was in agreement with it a couple of years back. I wouldnt trust him, or his party, as far as I could throw him. Tories would the best of an admittedly poor bunch at present, even though they got us in deep shit over the last 14 years themselves, I believe they have learned from past mistakes. Liebour or Reform would be a disaster if elected at next election.

But hey, its all about opinions and I respect others even if I dont agree with them.

Pro rata illegal migrants offend at a much higher rate.
Tories are pro mass migration, legal and illegal. They just like Liebour are globalist shills.

And your verified, independent, statistically based source for that is..? Let me guess I saw it on X? One simple google search will prove that's incorrect. But dont let facts get in the way of your beliefs or whatever your echo chamber social media feed says.

The home secretary herself admitted today that every migrant woman who crosses on a dinghy is raped during the crossing , that in itself tells you the kind of individuals entering britain

Have you ever been on a rubber dinghy in the middle of the English Channel, in waters that can produce swells of 15-20 feet except on calm sunny days? My guess is that most of them will be clinging on for dear life in anything other than perfect conditions. I havent, but I bet its no picnic, and I wouldnt want to do it. Ive been in a dinghy in the Bristol Channel - an experience I have no wish of repeating anytime soon! Not saying it doesnt happen, not at all. But lets be a tad realistic here, and not listen to the home secretary with quite so much raptness, especially from Liebour.

Yes I work on a fishing boat and agree some times out in the celtic deeps when a force 10 rolls in clinging on for dear life is an understatement lol and I was just pointing out what she said and I know we shouldn't tar every migrant with the same brush, but after my 9 year old daughter was assaulted by a man who had only been here for 2 weeks last November I tend to have a slightly biased opinion on immigrants I guess , I just dont believe adding thousands more potential criminals to the thousands already born here is of any benefit to us

Considering they just bailed a potential terrorist who was planning an attack on a raf base then no dt shouldn't have been remanded and the justice system is clearly not on a level playing field

Well they didn’t do that.

Considering they just bailed a potential terrorist who was planning an attack on a raf base then no dt shouldn't have been remanded and the justice system is clearly not on a level playing field

Well they didn’t do that.

Im pretty sure they did

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Shabana Mahmood has today said that all women traveling on these dinghys are raped on the trip over , yet the government still allow these savages in to the country and on to our streets , I believe british citizens are well within their rights to try and stop this as our government and police forces just roll out the red carpet even after admitting they are rapists

Actually, whether you are left, centre or right wing (like me), none of the above is 'within their rights' to try and stop this.

As frustrating as illegal immigration is, it is not right to take the law into one's own hands and I, even though I am right wing in my views, cannot condone and will not condone any left, centre, right, or far-right, organisation that employs masked bully boys masquerading as 'patriots', using or threatening violence against anyone. We are a civilised society, are we not, who rely on our leaders, however flawed, to lead us.

In times of grave crisis, the citizens of this island nation, have rallied and taken arms in time of need, when directed by our goverment, to serve the country and defend it, one has only to look at major conflicts such as The Great War and World War Two as prime examples.

Latest official figures are that since 2018, a total of 205,000 immigrants have come over to the UK, (as much as it sticks in my craw to say it, figures have massively fallen under Liebour) against a total UK population of 69.5 million people. By my maths thats 0.29% of the total population that are immigrants in the last 8 years.

Now, as right wing and anti-illegal immigration as I am, even I can see that that does not constitute a 'grave' crisis.

People will point out that illegal immigrants rape and murder our citizens. Yes some of them do. But statisically, 80% of sex crimes in the UK are perpetrated by white, british born males. Not surprising stats when you compute the above official stats regarding numbers of immigrants since 2018.

Believe me, this country has more pressing problems that illegal immigration, and the sooner Liebour are out the better, but it has to be the Tories in next election. Not Reform. Granted illegal immigration was rife the last time the Conservative party were in, but Reform? Their only slogan is 'Stop the Boats' - How you going to that then Mr Farage? Put a maginot line round the South Coast and blow them out of the water? Bit of news for you and Reform. Thats as illegal as illegal immigration. There are ALWAY going to be boats it's the nature of the beast, you cannot defend every sqaure yard of the English Channel its impossible. Change Asylum rules? Good luck on that - the right of asylum (genuine asylum) is not something you can interfere with readily. Deport them as soon as they land? Nope you cant do that you have to go through the proper process.

As a right winger myself, Reform would be a disaster - half of them were in charge when the Conservatives were in power before Liebour.

Whats the answer then? I don't know, but I know it's not far-right violence and thuggery. Makes us no better than anyone else.

Respect you withdrawing the domestic abuse lie
Afghan, Eritrean, and Syrian migrants commit sexual offences at 3 times the rate British people do.
I suggest you read Reforms manifesto before claiming their only policy is to stop the boats.
These boats have to be stopped, allowing unvettted migrants to flood into the country is insane. And the Bay of Pigs can ram their Nation of Sanctuary right up their Nat King.

Im afraid thats not borne out by offical statistics regarding serious crime involving violent/sexual/murder offences. Not my statistics - police/court statistics. over 80% of all sexual offences are committed by white british born males, which is hardly surprising considering that since 2018 the number of immigrants is officially 205,000 against a UK population of 69.5 million.

Ive read Reforms manifesto. Ive seen more believable stories in the Beano and Dandy.

There is no 'flood' of unvetted illegal immigrants into the country. I'd class it as a trickle, based on overall numbers since 2018 of 205,000 and a concern, but this country has bigger challenges and problems than the boats at this present moment in time.

Oh - and I wouldnt vote reform if you paid me £5 milllion pounds (that number sounds familiar). Their leader, apart from being a grifting twot, makes things up as he goes along. He criticised Burnham for abolishing the triple lock on pensions propoasl, conveiniently forgetting that he was in agreement with it a couple of years back. I wouldnt trust him, or his party, as far as I could throw him. Tories would the best of an admittedly poor bunch at present, even though they got us in deep shit over the last 14 years themselves, I believe they have learned from past mistakes. Liebour or Reform would be a disaster if elected at next election.

But hey, its all about opinions and I respect others even if I dont agree with them.

Pro rata illegal migrants offend at a much higher rate.
Tories are pro mass migration, legal and illegal. They just like Liebour are globalist shills.

And your verified, independent, statistically based source for that is..? Let me guess I saw it on X? One simple google search will prove that's incorrect. But dont let facts get in the way of your beliefs or whatever your echo chamber social media feed says.

The home secretary herself admitted today that every migrant woman who crosses on a dinghy is raped during the crossing , that in itself tells you the kind of individuals entering britain

Have you ever been on a rubber dinghy in the middle of the English Channel, in waters that can produce swells of 15-20 feet except on calm sunny days? My guess is that most of them will be clinging on for dear life in anything other than perfect conditions. I havent, but I bet its no picnic, and I wouldnt want to do it. Ive been in a dinghy in the Bristol Channel - an experience I have no wish of repeating anytime soon! Not saying it doesnt happen, not at all. But lets be a tad realistic here, and not listen to the home secretary with quite so much raptness, especially from Liebour.

Yes I work on a fishing boat and agree some times out in the celtic deeps when a force 10 rolls in clinging on for dear life is an understatement lol and I was just pointing out what she said and I know we shouldn't tar every migrant with the same brush, but after my 9 year old daughter was assaulted by a man who had only been here for 2 weeks last November I tend to have a slightly biased opinion on immigrants I guess , I just dont believe adding thousands more potential criminals to the thousands already born here is of any benefit to us

Thanks for that, and my sincerest wishes to you and your daughter. Sorry to hear that.

Btw - I would pick you up on one small point - you said you dont believe in adding thousands more potential criminals to the thousands already born her? I would tend to suggest that it's millions already born here.

Keep safe out there and thanks for bringing home the fish, especially cod and bass, love a bit of cod or bass.

Shabana Mahmood has today said that all women traveling on these dinghys are raped on the trip over , yet the government still allow these savages in to the country and on to our streets , I believe british citizens are well within their rights to try and stop this as our government and police forces just roll out the red carpet even after admitting they are rapists

Actually, whether you are left, centre or right wing (like me), none of the above is 'within their rights' to try and stop this.

As frustrating as illegal immigration is, it is not right to take the law into one's own hands and I, even though I am right wing in my views, cannot condone and will not condone any left, centre, right, or far-right, organisation that employs masked bully boys masquerading as 'patriots', using or threatening violence against anyone. We are a civilised society, are we not, who rely on our leaders, however flawed, to lead us.

In times of grave crisis, the citizens of this island nation, have rallied and taken arms in time of need, when directed by our goverment, to serve the country and defend it, one has only to look at major conflicts such as The Great War and World War Two as prime examples.

Latest official figures are that since 2018, a total of 205,000 immigrants have come over to the UK, (as much as it sticks in my craw to say it, figures have massively fallen under Liebour) against a total UK population of 69.5 million people. By my maths thats 0.29% of the total population that are immigrants in the last 8 years.

Now, as right wing and anti-illegal immigration as I am, even I can see that that does not constitute a 'grave' crisis.

People will point out that illegal immigrants rape and murder our citizens. Yes some of them do. But statisically, 80% of sex crimes in the UK are perpetrated by white, british born males. Not surprising stats when you compute the above official stats regarding numbers of immigrants since 2018.

Believe me, this country has more pressing problems that illegal immigration, and the sooner Liebour are out the better, but it has to be the Tories in next election. Not Reform. Granted illegal immigration was rife the last time the Conservative party were in, but Reform? Their only slogan is 'Stop the Boats' - How you going to that then Mr Farage? Put a maginot line round the South Coast and blow them out of the water? Bit of news for you and Reform. Thats as illegal as illegal immigration. There are ALWAY going to be boats it's the nature of the beast, you cannot defend every sqaure yard of the English Channel its impossible. Change Asylum rules? Good luck on that - the right of asylum (genuine asylum) is not something you can interfere with readily. Deport them as soon as they land? Nope you cant do that you have to go through the proper process.

As a right winger myself, Reform would be a disaster - half of them were in charge when the Conservatives were in power before Liebour.

Whats the answer then? I don't know, but I know it's not far-right violence and thuggery. Makes us no better than anyone else.

Respect you withdrawing the domestic abuse lie
Afghan, Eritrean, and Syrian migrants commit sexual offences at 3 times the rate British people do.
I suggest you read Reforms manifesto before claiming their only policy is to stop the boats.
These boats have to be stopped, allowing unvettted migrants to flood into the country is insane. And the Bay of Pigs can ram their Nation of Sanctuary right up their Nat King.

Im afraid thats not borne out by offical statistics regarding serious crime involving violent/sexual/murder offences. Not my statistics - police/court statistics. over 80% of all sexual offences are committed by white british born males, which is hardly surprising considering that since 2018 the number of immigrants is officially 205,000 against a UK population of 69.5 million.

Ive read Reforms manifesto. Ive seen more believable stories in the Beano and Dandy.

There is no 'flood' of unvetted illegal immigrants into the country. I'd class it as a trickle, based on overall numbers since 2018 of 205,000 and a concern, but this country has bigger challenges and problems than the boats at this present moment in time.

Oh - and I wouldnt vote reform if you paid me £5 milllion pounds (that number sounds familiar). Their leader, apart from being a grifting twot, makes things up as he goes along. He criticised Burnham for abolishing the triple lock on pensions propoasl, conveiniently forgetting that he was in agreement with it a couple of years back. I wouldnt trust him, or his party, as far as I could throw him. Tories would the best of an admittedly poor bunch at present, even though they got us in deep shit over the last 14 years themselves, I believe they have learned from past mistakes. Liebour or Reform would be a disaster if elected at next election.

But hey, its all about opinions and I respect others even if I dont agree with them.

Pro rata illegal migrants offend at a much higher rate.
Tories are pro mass migration, legal and illegal. They just like Liebour are globalist shills.

And your verified, independent, statistically based source for that is..? Let me guess I saw it on X? One simple google search will prove that's incorrect. But dont let facts get in the way of your beliefs or whatever your echo chamber social media feed says.

The home secretary herself admitted today that every migrant woman who crosses on a dinghy is raped during the crossing , that in itself tells you the kind of individuals entering britain

Have you ever been on a rubber dinghy in the middle of the English Channel, in waters that can produce swells of 15-20 feet except on calm sunny days? My guess is that most of them will be clinging on for dear life in anything other than perfect conditions. I havent, but I bet its no picnic, and I wouldnt want to do it. Ive been in a dinghy in the Bristol Channel - an experience I have no wish of repeating anytime soon! Not saying it doesnt happen, not at all. But lets be a tad realistic here, and not listen to the home secretary with quite so much raptness, especially from Liebour.

Yes I work on a fishing boat and agree some times out in the celtic deeps when a force 10 rolls in clinging on for dear life is an understatement lol and I was just pointing out what she said and I know we shouldn't tar every migrant with the same brush, but after my 9 year old daughter was assaulted by a man who had only been here for 2 weeks last November I tend to have a slightly biased opinion on immigrants I guess , I just dont believe adding thousands more potential criminals to the thousands already born here is of any benefit to us

Thanks for that, and my sincerest wishes to you and your daughter. Sorry to hear that.

Btw - I would pick you up on one small point - you said you dont believe in adding thousands more potential criminals to the thousands already born her? I would tend to suggest that it's millions already born here.

Keep safe out there and thanks for bringing home the fish, especially cod and bass, love a bit of cod or bass.

thanks mate and yes millions is definitely more of an appropriate number , as for the bass and cod dont get me started on what European super trawlers are doing to our fish stocks in british waters its another tragedy we are having to watch unfold

Should he be in prison or not is ultimately a decision for the courts and the judge. What bothers me is our general lack of consistency. So firstly he's been denied bail but the alleged terrorists at the air base seems to be allowed out. Which strikes me as odd that they are viewed as less of a threat to the public than he is.

Then lucy Connolly is imprisoned for months but huw Edwards is walking the streets. If she is deemed enough of a danger to warrant the custodial sentence she had. Why isn't Edwards deemed a danger?

She Pled guilty so it's not an argument as to if she should have had a punishment or not. Nor an argument if it was too severe.
More an observation that it she is the baseline then child abusers (directly or indirectly) should be locked up.

And if a person who punctures a dinghy is too dangerous to be on bail, why aren't suspected terrorists?

Considering they just bailed a potential terrorist who was planning an attack on a raf base then no dt shouldn't have been remanded and the justice system is clearly not on a level playing field

Well they didn’t do that.

Im pretty sure they did

My point is they weren’t planning an attack.

They were sent to test the defences around the base in anticipation of a possible attack. They weren’t terrorists they were idiots.

Considering they just bailed a potential terrorist who was planning an attack on a raf base then no dt shouldn't have been remanded and the justice system is clearly not on a level playing field

Well they didn’t do that.

Im pretty sure they did

My point is they weren’t planning an attack.

They were sent to test the defences around the base in anticipation of a possible attack. They weren’t terrorists they were idiots.

Allied to the fact that they were actually some considerable distance away from the base itself. Course if you have a tinfoil hat to hand there is a theory going round that the 5 hapless idiots were recruited by MI5 or 6, (I can never remember) as a false flag exercise to whip up anti-iranian fervour, or as a surprise test for the airbase itself, which they actually never got to. Loved Mr Trump's comments 'We have been watching them for some time'. lol.

Considering they just bailed a potential terrorist who was planning an attack on a raf base then no dt shouldn't have been remanded and the justice system is clearly not on a level playing field

Well they didn’t do that.

Im pretty sure they did

My point is they weren’t planning an attack.

They were sent to test the defences around the base in anticipation of a possible attack. They weren’t terrorists they were idiots.

Allied to the fact that they were actually some considerable distance away from the base itself. Course if you have a tinfoil hat to hand there is a theory going round that the 5 hapless idiots were recruited by MI5 or 6, (I can never remember) as a false flag exercise to whip up anti-iranian fervour, or as a surprise test for the airbase itself, which they actually never got to. Loved Mr Trump's comments 'We have been watching them for some time'. lol.

I think they were likely paid by Iranian or even Russian operatives.

Considering they just bailed a potential terrorist who was planning an attack on a raf base then no dt shouldn't have been remanded and the justice system is clearly not on a level playing field

Well they didn’t do that.

Im pretty sure they did

My point is they weren’t planning an attack.

They were sent to test the defences around the base in anticipation of a possible attack. They weren’t terrorists they were idiots.

Allied to the fact that they were actually some considerable distance away from the base itself. Course if you have a tinfoil hat to hand there is a theory going round that the 5 hapless idiots were recruited by MI5 or 6, (I can never remember) as a false flag exercise to whip up anti-iranian fervour, or as a surprise test for the airbase itself, which they actually never got to. Loved Mr Trump's comments 'We have been watching them for some time'. lol.

I think they were likely paid by Iranian or even Russian operatives.

You could be right. Or, they were simply diesel thieves. Could be anything but one thing is for sure, the ordinary man in the street wont be told exactly went on.

I don't know all the facts, and always says the police/courts are the ones with expertise so go with that. Same goes with the RAF Fairford situation - I found it strange from the outside looking in, but I'm not the one with the expertise.

If he believes he has been treated unfairly, he can take legal action.

Take legal action against the establishment system that has locked him up good luck with that one
He commits criminal damage to a object that is no further use to anyone
Apparently they destroy all used illegal dinghies anyway
No one’s life was ever in danger
Meanwhile many of countless cases in the UK for example a pensioner in Pembrokeshire facing multiple charges of child sex abuse including historical rape waits trail ON BAIL
the man has been made a massive example of AND
A message to the general population from the corrupt government and establishment
DONT DARE TAKE TO THE STREETS AND PROTEST AT WHAT WERE DOING SEE WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO YOU

Atleast somebody tried to do something Vs these fighting age men. Most the population are completely brainwashed. When the time comes and it's to late or there are wars on the streets every day in the future it will be the governments fault full stop, because It's coming in most people's minds the way it's going. Its not hard to work out what's going on.

There's a massive difference between legal and illegal, they have meanings which people have seemed to forgotten.

The common mind has shrunk in today's world for sure while people are sympathetic towards some undocumented rapists and criminals that nobody knows who they are.

Try getting in to other country from the UK illegally undocumented then see what happens. you'll get fucked off back the way you come. The UK is soft and on a fast downward spiral. It's my kids and there future kids I worry about.

I don't know all the facts, and always says the police/courts are the ones with expertise so go with that. Same goes with the RAF Fairford situation - I found it strange from the outside looking in, but I'm not the one with the expertise.

If he believes he has been treated unfairly, he can take legal action.

Take legal action against the establishment system that has locked him up good luck with that one
He commits criminal damage to a object that is no further use to anyone
Apparently they destroy all used illegal dinghies anyway
No one’s life was ever in danger
Meanwhile many of countless cases in the UK for example a pensioner in Pembrokeshire facing multiple charges of child sex abuse including historical rape waits trail ON BAIL
the man has been made a massive example of AND
A message to the general population from the corrupt government and establishment
DONT DARE TAKE TO THE STREETS AND PROTEST AT WHAT WERE DOING SEE WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO YOU

Spot on

Shabana Mahmood has today said that all women traveling on these dinghys are raped on the trip over , yet the government still allow these savages in to the country and on to our streets , I believe british citizens are well within their rights to try and stop this as our government and police forces just roll out the red carpet even after admitting they are rapists

Actually, whether you are left, centre or right wing (like me), none of the above is 'within their rights' to try and stop this.

As frustrating as illegal immigration is, it is not right to take the law into one's own hands and I, even though I am right wing in my views, cannot condone and will not condone any left, centre, right, or far-right, organisation that employs masked bully boys masquerading as 'patriots', using or threatening violence against anyone. We are a civilised society, are we not, who rely on our leaders, however flawed, to lead us.

In times of grave crisis, the citizens of this island nation, have rallied and taken arms in time of need, when directed by our goverment, to serve the country and defend it, one has only to look at major conflicts such as The Great War and World War Two as prime examples.

Latest official figures are that since 2018, a total of 205,000 immigrants have come over to the UK, (as much as it sticks in my craw to say it, figures have massively fallen under Liebour) against a total UK population of 69.5 million people. By my maths thats 0.29% of the total population that are immigrants in the last 8 years.

Now, as right wing and anti-illegal immigration as I am, even I can see that that does not constitute a 'grave' crisis.

People will point out that illegal immigrants rape and murder our citizens. Yes some of them do. But statisically, 80% of sex crimes in the UK are perpetrated by white, british born males. Not surprising stats when you compute the above official stats regarding numbers of immigrants since 2018.

Believe me, this country has more pressing problems that illegal immigration, and the sooner Liebour are out the better, but it has to be the Tories in next election. Not Reform. Granted illegal immigration was rife the last time the Conservative party were in, but Reform? Their only slogan is 'Stop the Boats' - How you going to that then Mr Farage? Put a maginot line round the South Coast and blow them out of the water? Bit of news for you and Reform. Thats as illegal as illegal immigration. There are ALWAY going to be boats it's the nature of the beast, you cannot defend every sqaure yard of the English Channel its impossible. Change Asylum rules? Good luck on that - the right of asylum (genuine asylum) is not something you can interfere with readily. Deport them as soon as they land? Nope you cant do that you have to go through the proper process.

As a right winger myself, Reform would be a disaster - half of them were in charge when the Conservatives were in power before Liebour.

Whats the answer then? I don't know, but I know it's not far-right violence and thuggery. Makes us no better than anyone else.

Respect you withdrawing the domestic abuse lie
Afghan, Eritrean, and Syrian migrants commit sexual offences at 3 times the rate British people do.
I suggest you read Reforms manifesto before claiming their only policy is to stop the boats.
These boats have to be stopped, allowing unvettted migrants to flood into the country is insane. And the Bay of Pigs can ram their Nation of Sanctuary right up their Nat King.

Im afraid thats not borne out by offical statistics regarding serious crime involving violent/sexual/murder offences. Not my statistics - police/court statistics. over 80% of all sexual offences are committed by white british born males, which is hardly surprising considering that since 2018 the number of immigrants is officially 205,000 against a UK population of 69.5 million.

Ive read Reforms manifesto. Ive seen more believable stories in the Beano and Dandy.

There is no 'flood' of unvetted illegal immigrants into the country. I'd class it as a trickle, based on overall numbers since 2018 of 205,000 and a concern, but this country has bigger challenges and problems than the boats at this present moment in time.

Oh - and I wouldnt vote reform if you paid me £5 milllion pounds (that number sounds familiar). Their leader, apart from being a grifting twot, makes things up as he goes along. He criticised Burnham for abolishing the triple lock on pensions propoasl, conveiniently forgetting that he was in agreement with it a couple of years back. I wouldnt trust him, or his party, as far as I could throw him. Tories would the best of an admittedly poor bunch at present, even though they got us in deep shit over the last 14 years themselves, I believe they have learned from past mistakes. Liebour or Reform would be a disaster if elected at next election.

But hey, its all about opinions and I respect others even if I dont agree with them.

Pro rata illegal migrants offend at a much higher rate.
Tories are pro mass migration, legal and illegal. They just like Liebour are globalist shills.

And your verified, independent, statistically based source for that is..? Let me guess I saw it on X? One simple google search will prove that's incorrect. But dont let facts get in the way of your beliefs or whatever your echo chamber social media feed says.

Don’t do social media except a couple of football sites, this one being the only one I contribute to.
UK data on ethnicity of offenders is incomplete, as many police forces don’t record it. However Denmark Sweden and Germany do and theirs show migrants, legal or illegal, commit crime, particularly crimes against women, at a far higher rate.

Posh boy trying to play a hard man.

Probably refused bail given every time he whips up the Neanderthals, unlike Wee Tommy he doesn’t do the (and I can’t believe I’m about to use this word in relation to him) smart thing and run away and leave the country, instead he takes part in the unrest himself.

Posh boy trying to play a hard man.

Probably refused bail given every time he whips up the Neanderthals, unlike Wee Tommy he doesn’t do the (and I can’t believe I’m about to use this word in relation to him) smart thing and run away and leave the country, instead he takes part in the unrest himself.

Neanderthals holy fekk. So being worried about undocumented males breaking into our country, committing a disproportionately high amount of crimes and putting pressure on our already stretched public services makes someone a Neanderthal?

Shabana Mahmood has today said that all women traveling on these dinghys are raped on the trip over , yet the government still allow these savages in to the country and on to our streets , I believe british citizens are well within their rights to try and stop this as our government and police forces just roll out the red carpet even after admitting they are rapists

Actually, whether you are left, centre or right wing (like me), none of the above is 'within their rights' to try and stop this.

As frustrating as illegal immigration is, it is not right to take the law into one's own hands and I, even though I am right wing in my views, cannot condone and will not condone any left, centre, right, or far-right, organisation that employs masked bully boys masquerading as 'patriots', using or threatening violence against anyone. We are a civilised society, are we not, who rely on our leaders, however flawed, to lead us.

In times of grave crisis, the citizens of this island nation, have rallied and taken arms in time of need, when directed by our goverment, to serve the country and defend it, one has only to look at major conflicts such as The Great War and World War Two as prime examples.

Latest official figures are that since 2018, a total of 205,000 immigrants have come over to the UK, (as much as it sticks in my craw to say it, figures have massively fallen under Liebour) against a total UK population of 69.5 million people. By my maths thats 0.29% of the total population that are immigrants in the last 8 years.

Now, as right wing and anti-illegal immigration as I am, even I can see that that does not constitute a 'grave' crisis.

People will point out that illegal immigrants rape and murder our citizens. Yes some of them do. But statisically, 80% of sex crimes in the UK are perpetrated by white, british born males. Not surprising stats when you compute the above official stats regarding numbers of immigrants since 2018.

Believe me, this country has more pressing problems that illegal immigration, and the sooner Liebour are out the better, but it has to be the Tories in next election. Not Reform. Granted illegal immigration was rife the last time the Conservative party were in, but Reform? Their only slogan is 'Stop the Boats' - How you going to that then Mr Farage? Put a maginot line round the South Coast and blow them out of the water? Bit of news for you and Reform. Thats as illegal as illegal immigration. There are ALWAY going to be boats it's the nature of the beast, you cannot defend every sqaure yard of the English Channel its impossible. Change Asylum rules? Good luck on that - the right of asylum (genuine asylum) is not something you can interfere with readily. Deport them as soon as they land? Nope you cant do that you have to go through the proper process.

As a right winger myself, Reform would be a disaster - half of them were in charge when the Conservatives were in power before Liebour.

Whats the answer then? I don't know, but I know it's not far-right violence and thuggery. Makes us no better than anyone else.

The problem is if the government and the police force refuse to protect the british people from these monsters what else can we do to ensure the safety of our families other than to protect them ourselves

Which monsters? The small, but yes awful, amount of crime perpetrated by the illegal immigrants, or the vast percentage of violent/sexual crimes perpetrated by white, British born males? Personally I detest all criminals whether they are from here or overseas. make no difference to me. Clearly it does to you as you make no mention of UK born 'monsters'.

I'm sick of seeing this particular argument top tier "whataboutism"

Shabana Mahmood has today said that all women traveling on these dinghys are raped on the trip over , yet the government still allow these savages in to the country and on to our streets , I believe british citizens are well within their rights to try and stop this as our government and police forces just roll out the red carpet even after admitting they are rapists

Actually, whether you are left, centre or right wing (like me), none of the above is 'within their rights' to try and stop this.

As frustrating as illegal immigration is, it is not right to take the law into one's own hands and I, even though I am right wing in my views, cannot condone and will not condone any left, centre, right, or far-right, organisation that employs masked bully boys masquerading as 'patriots', using or threatening violence against anyone. We are a civilised society, are we not, who rely on our leaders, however flawed, to lead us.

In times of grave crisis, the citizens of this island nation, have rallied and taken arms in time of need, when directed by our goverment, to serve the country and defend it, one has only to look at major conflicts such as The Great War and World War Two as prime examples.

Latest official figures are that since 2018, a total of 205,000 immigrants have come over to the UK, (as much as it sticks in my craw to say it, figures have massively fallen under Liebour) against a total UK population of 69.5 million people. By my maths thats 0.29% of the total population that are immigrants in the last 8 years.

Now, as right wing and anti-illegal immigration as I am, even I can see that that does not constitute a 'grave' crisis.

People will point out that illegal immigrants rape and murder our citizens. Yes some of them do. But statisically, 80% of sex crimes in the UK are perpetrated by white, british born males. Not surprising stats when you compute the above official stats regarding numbers of immigrants since 2018.

Believe me, this country has more pressing problems that illegal immigration, and the sooner Liebour are out the better, but it has to be the Tories in next election. Not Reform. Granted illegal immigration was rife the last time the Conservative party were in, but Reform? Their only slogan is 'Stop the Boats' - How you going to that then Mr Farage? Put a maginot line round the South Coast and blow them out of the water? Bit of news for you and Reform. Thats as illegal as illegal immigration. There are ALWAY going to be boats it's the nature of the beast, you cannot defend every sqaure yard of the English Channel its impossible. Change Asylum rules? Good luck on that - the right of asylum (genuine asylum) is not something you can interfere with readily. Deport them as soon as they land? Nope you cant do that you have to go through the proper process.

As a right winger myself, Reform would be a disaster - half of them were in charge when the Conservatives were in power before Liebour.

Whats the answer then? I don't know, but I know it's not far-right violence and thuggery. Makes us no better than anyone else.

The problem is if the government and the police force refuse to protect the british people from these monsters what else can we do to ensure the safety of our families other than to protect them ourselves

Which monsters? The small, but yes awful, amount of crime perpetrated by the illegal immigrants, or the vast percentage of violent/sexual crimes perpetrated by white, British born males? Personally I detest all criminals whether they are from here or overseas. make no difference to me. Clearly it does to you as you make no mention of UK born 'monsters'.

I'm sick of seeing this particular argument top tier "whataboutism"

It's not 'whataboutism' though is it? They are cold hard facts. Did you even bother reading my posts properly? I'm right wing and anti-illegal immigration. However, I am intelligent enough to look at the facts before me in terms of government/police statistics that are published and widely available and determine that the vast MAJORITY of crimes committed in this country are by British born nationals. Again not a huge surprise given that the population of the UK is 69.5 million and there have been 205,000 migrants come over since 2018. It's not rocket science to follow that the majority of crimes committed are by our own.

Now, if you extrapolate from the 205,000 immigrants that have arrived since 2018, the proportion of criminal activity committed within that figure, you may well find the percentages of those who have, and those who have not, committed a criminal offence since their arrival. I dont have those figures.

Nonetheless, the thrust of my point was that we have far more criminal problems to worry about among our own indigenous, home-bred people than people are taking into consideration here.

Case in current point is the 8 white, british born males, who were recently given long sentences for their participation in a child grooming/paedophile ring. Surely they are just as culpable and reprehensible as any illegal immigrant that comes over and does the same thing?

Wouldnt you agree? However, I don't see the same outpouring of vitriol and hate for them on news/social media as the 'potential' monsters coming in on boats get. People see the occupants of any small boat and make snap judgements on them when in fact that judgement COULD be baseless.

Do you see where I'm coming from here? I dont want illegal immigrants as much as the next person, and I can see the inherent problems of long term continuance, but I'm also not so blind that I can't see the wood for the trees.

Shabana Mahmood has today said that all women traveling on these dinghys are raped on the trip over , yet the government still allow these savages in to the country and on to our streets , I believe british citizens are well within their rights to try and stop this as our government and police forces just roll out the red carpet even after admitting they are rapists

Actually, whether you are left, centre or right wing (like me), none of the above is 'within their rights' to try and stop this.

As frustrating as illegal immigration is, it is not right to take the law into one's own hands and I, even though I am right wing in my views, cannot condone and will not condone any left, centre, right, or far-right, organisation that employs masked bully boys masquerading as 'patriots', using or threatening violence against anyone. We are a civilised society, are we not, who rely on our leaders, however flawed, to lead us.

In times of grave crisis, the citizens of this island nation, have rallied and taken arms in time of need, when directed by our goverment, to serve the country and defend it, one has only to look at major conflicts such as The Great War and World War Two as prime examples.

Latest official figures are that since 2018, a total of 205,000 immigrants have come over to the UK, (as much as it sticks in my craw to say it, figures have massively fallen under Liebour) against a total UK population of 69.5 million people. By my maths thats 0.29% of the total population that are immigrants in the last 8 years.

Now, as right wing and anti-illegal immigration as I am, even I can see that that does not constitute a 'grave' crisis.

People will point out that illegal immigrants rape and murder our citizens. Yes some of them do. But statisically, 80% of sex crimes in the UK are perpetrated by white, british born males. Not surprising stats when you compute the above official stats regarding numbers of immigrants since 2018.

Believe me, this country has more pressing problems that illegal immigration, and the sooner Liebour are out the better, but it has to be the Tories in next election. Not Reform. Granted illegal immigration was rife the last time the Conservative party were in, but Reform? Their only slogan is 'Stop the Boats' - How you going to that then Mr Farage? Put a maginot line round the South Coast and blow them out of the water? Bit of news for you and Reform. Thats as illegal as illegal immigration. There are ALWAY going to be boats it's the nature of the beast, you cannot defend every sqaure yard of the English Channel its impossible. Change Asylum rules? Good luck on that - the right of asylum (genuine asylum) is not something you can interfere with readily. Deport them as soon as they land? Nope you cant do that you have to go through the proper process.

As a right winger myself, Reform would be a disaster - half of them were in charge when the Conservatives were in power before Liebour.

Whats the answer then? I don't know, but I know it's not far-right violence and thuggery. Makes us no better than anyone else.

The problem is if the government and the police force refuse to protect the british people from these monsters what else can we do to ensure the safety of our families other than to protect them ourselves

Which monsters? The small, but yes awful, amount of crime perpetrated by the illegal immigrants, or the vast percentage of violent/sexual crimes perpetrated by white, British born males? Personally I detest all criminals whether they are from here or overseas. make no difference to me. Clearly it does to you as you make no mention of UK born 'monsters'.

I'm sick of seeing this particular argument top tier "whataboutism"

It's not 'whataboutism' though is it? They are cold hard facts. Did you even bother reading my posts properly? I'm right wing and anti-illegal immigration. However, I am intelligent enough to look at the facts before me in terms of government/police statistics that are published and widely available and determine that the vast MAJORITY of crimes committed in this country are by British born nationals. Again not a huge surprise given that the population of the UK is 69.5 million and there have been 205,000 migrants come over since 2018. It's not rocket science to follow that the majority of crimes committed are by our own.

Now, if you extrapolate from the 205,000 immigrants that have arrived since 2018, the proportion of criminal activity committed within that figure, you may well find the percentages of those who have, and those who have not, committed a criminal offence since their arrival. I dont have those figures.

Nonetheless, the thrust of my point was that we have far more criminal problems to worry about among our own indigenous, home-bred people than people are taking into consideration here.

Case in current point is the 8 white, british born males, who were recently given long sentences for their participation in a child grooming/paedophile ring. Surely they are just as culpable and reprehensible as any illegal immigrant that comes over and does the same thing?

Wouldnt you agree? However, I don't see the same outpouring of vitriol and hate for them on news/social media as the 'potential' monsters coming in on boats get. People see the occupants of any small boat and make snap judgements on them when in fact that judgement COULD be baseless.

Do you see where I'm coming from here? I dont want illegal immigrants as much as the next person, and I can see the inherent problems of long term continuance, but I'm also not so blind that I can't see the wood for the trees.

Do you understand pro rata?
Also you claim government statistics separate offenders by ethnicity, yet many police forces don’t do that, so where’s your source for this?
As I’ve already stated, countries that monitor and record migrant crime, state they offend at a much higher rate than nationals.
You keep making straw man whataboutery arguments, Paedos are scum, irrespective of nationality, I’ve not heard anyone dispute that. We have more than enough of our own homegrown nonces, we don’t have to import more.

Shabana Mahmood has today said that all women traveling on these dinghys are raped on the trip over , yet the government still allow these savages in to the country and on to our streets , I believe british citizens are well within their rights to try and stop this as our government and police forces just roll out the red carpet even after admitting they are rapists

Actually, whether you are left, centre or right wing (like me), none of the above is 'within their rights' to try and stop this.

As frustrating as illegal immigration is, it is not right to take the law into one's own hands and I, even though I am right wing in my views, cannot condone and will not condone any left, centre, right, or far-right, organisation that employs masked bully boys masquerading as 'patriots', using or threatening violence against anyone. We are a civilised society, are we not, who rely on our leaders, however flawed, to lead us.

In times of grave crisis, the citizens of this island nation, have rallied and taken arms in time of need, when directed by our goverment, to serve the country and defend it, one has only to look at major conflicts such as The Great War and World War Two as prime examples.

Latest official figures are that since 2018, a total of 205,000 immigrants have come over to the UK, (as much as it sticks in my craw to say it, figures have massively fallen under Liebour) against a total UK population of 69.5 million people. By my maths thats 0.29% of the total population that are immigrants in the last 8 years.

Now, as right wing and anti-illegal immigration as I am, even I can see that that does not constitute a 'grave' crisis.

People will point out that illegal immigrants rape and murder our citizens. Yes some of them do. But statisically, 80% of sex crimes in the UK are perpetrated by white, british born males. Not surprising stats when you compute the above official stats regarding numbers of immigrants since 2018.

Believe me, this country has more pressing problems that illegal immigration, and the sooner Liebour are out the better, but it has to be the Tories in next election. Not Reform. Granted illegal immigration was rife the last time the Conservative party were in, but Reform? Their only slogan is 'Stop the Boats' - How you going to that then Mr Farage? Put a maginot line round the South Coast and blow them out of the water? Bit of news for you and Reform. Thats as illegal as illegal immigration. There are ALWAY going to be boats it's the nature of the beast, you cannot defend every sqaure yard of the English Channel its impossible. Change Asylum rules? Good luck on that - the right of asylum (genuine asylum) is not something you can interfere with readily. Deport them as soon as they land? Nope you cant do that you have to go through the proper process.

As a right winger myself, Reform would be a disaster - half of them were in charge when the Conservatives were in power before Liebour.

Whats the answer then? I don't know, but I know it's not far-right violence and thuggery. Makes us no better than anyone else.

The problem is if the government and the police force refuse to protect the british people from these monsters what else can we do to ensure the safety of our families other than to protect them ourselves

Which monsters? The small, but yes awful, amount of crime perpetrated by the illegal immigrants, or the vast percentage of violent/sexual crimes perpetrated by white, British born males? Personally I detest all criminals whether they are from here or overseas. make no difference to me. Clearly it does to you as you make no mention of UK born 'monsters'.

I'm sick of seeing this particular argument top tier "whataboutism"

It's not 'whataboutism' though is it? They are cold hard facts. Did you even bother reading my posts properly? I'm right wing and anti-illegal immigration. However, I am intelligent enough to look at the facts before me in terms of government/police statistics that are published and widely available and determine that the vast MAJORITY of crimes committed in this country are by British born nationals. Again not a huge surprise given that the population of the UK is 69.5 million and there have been 205,000 migrants come over since 2018. It's not rocket science to follow that the majority of crimes committed are by our own.

Now, if you extrapolate from the 205,000 immigrants that have arrived since 2018, the proportion of criminal activity committed within that figure, you may well find the percentages of those who have, and those who have not, committed a criminal offence since their arrival. I dont have those figures.

Nonetheless, the thrust of my point was that we have far more criminal problems to worry about among our own indigenous, home-bred people than people are taking into consideration here.

Case in current point is the 8 white, british born males, who were recently given long sentences for their participation in a child grooming/paedophile ring. Surely they are just as culpable and reprehensible as any illegal immigrant that comes over and does the same thing?

Wouldnt you agree? However, I don't see the same outpouring of vitriol and hate for them on news/social media as the 'potential' monsters coming in on boats get. People see the occupants of any small boat and make snap judgements on them when in fact that judgement COULD be baseless.

Do you see where I'm coming from here? I dont want illegal immigrants as much as the next person, and I can see the inherent problems of long term continuance, but I'm also not so blind that I can't see the wood for the trees.

I have read your opinions on this and to be honest some I agree with some I don't they are reasonable enough takes though, however what about our own "monsters" is complete whataboutism. I don't think anyone supports these people it's a given. Your well aware the only reason it's brought up is because we should be able to send these types of people back to their own countries, unfortunately we are stuck with our own... That isn't some sort of endorsement of them and isn't relevant to a discussion on illegal immigration

Shabana Mahmood has today said that all women traveling on these dinghys are raped on the trip over , yet the government still allow these savages in to the country and on to our streets , I believe british citizens are well within their rights to try and stop this as our government and police forces just roll out the red carpet even after admitting they are rapists

Actually, whether you are left, centre or right wing (like me), none of the above is 'within their rights' to try and stop this.

As frustrating as illegal immigration is, it is not right to take the law into one's own hands and I, even though I am right wing in my views, cannot condone and will not condone any left, centre, right, or far-right, organisation that employs masked bully boys masquerading as 'patriots', using or threatening violence against anyone. We are a civilised society, are we not, who rely on our leaders, however flawed, to lead us.

In times of grave crisis, the citizens of this island nation, have rallied and taken arms in time of need, when directed by our goverment, to serve the country and defend it, one has only to look at major conflicts such as The Great War and World War Two as prime examples.

Latest official figures are that since 2018, a total of 205,000 immigrants have come over to the UK, (as much as it sticks in my craw to say it, figures have massively fallen under Liebour) against a total UK population of 69.5 million people. By my maths thats 0.29% of the total population that are immigrants in the last 8 years.

Now, as right wing and anti-illegal immigration as I am, even I can see that that does not constitute a 'grave' crisis.

People will point out that illegal immigrants rape and murder our citizens. Yes some of them do. But statisically, 80% of sex crimes in the UK are perpetrated by white, british born males. Not surprising stats when you compute the above official stats regarding numbers of immigrants since 2018.

Believe me, this country has more pressing problems that illegal immigration, and the sooner Liebour are out the better, but it has to be the Tories in next election. Not Reform. Granted illegal immigration was rife the last time the Conservative party were in, but Reform? Their only slogan is 'Stop the Boats' - How you going to that then Mr Farage? Put a maginot line round the South Coast and blow them out of the water? Bit of news for you and Reform. Thats as illegal as illegal immigration. There are ALWAY going to be boats it's the nature of the beast, you cannot defend every sqaure yard of the English Channel its impossible. Change Asylum rules? Good luck on that - the right of asylum (genuine asylum) is not something you can interfere with readily. Deport them as soon as they land? Nope you cant do that you have to go through the proper process.

As a right winger myself, Reform would be a disaster - half of them were in charge when the Conservatives were in power before Liebour.

Whats the answer then? I don't know, but I know it's not far-right violence and thuggery. Makes us no better than anyone else.

The problem is if the government and the police force refuse to protect the british people from these monsters what else can we do to ensure the safety of our families other than to protect them ourselves

Which monsters? The small, but yes awful, amount of crime perpetrated by the illegal immigrants, or the vast percentage of violent/sexual crimes perpetrated by white, British born males? Personally I detest all criminals whether they are from here or overseas. make no difference to me. Clearly it does to you as you make no mention of UK born 'monsters'.

I'm sick of seeing this particular argument top tier "whataboutism"

It's not 'whataboutism' though is it? They are cold hard facts. Did you even bother reading my posts properly? I'm right wing and anti-illegal immigration. However, I am intelligent enough to look at the facts before me in terms of government/police statistics that are published and widely available and determine that the vast MAJORITY of crimes committed in this country are by British born nationals. Again not a huge surprise given that the population of the UK is 69.5 million and there have been 205,000 migrants come over since 2018. It's not rocket science to follow that the majority of crimes committed are by our own.

Now, if you extrapolate from the 205,000 immigrants that have arrived since 2018, the proportion of criminal activity committed within that figure, you may well find the percentages of those who have, and those who have not, committed a criminal offence since their arrival. I dont have those figures.

Nonetheless, the thrust of my point was that we have far more criminal problems to worry about among our own indigenous, home-bred people than people are taking into consideration here.

Case in current point is the 8 white, british born males, who were recently given long sentences for their participation in a child grooming/paedophile ring. Surely they are just as culpable and reprehensible as any illegal immigrant that comes over and does the same thing?

Wouldnt you agree? However, I don't see the same outpouring of vitriol and hate for them on news/social media as the 'potential' monsters coming in on boats get. People see the occupants of any small boat and make snap judgements on them when in fact that judgement COULD be baseless.

Do you see where I'm coming from here? I dont want illegal immigrants as much as the next person, and I can see the inherent problems of long term continuance, but I'm also not so blind that I can't see the wood for the trees.

I have read your opinions on this and to be honest some I agree with some I don't they are reasonable enough takes though, however what about our own "monsters" is complete whataboutism. I don't think anyone supports these people it's a given. Your well aware the only reason it's brought up is because we should be able to send these types of people back to their own countries, unfortunately we are stuck with our own... That isn't some sort of endorsement of them and isn't relevant to a discussion on illegal immigration

I disagree. It is relevant to a discussion on illegal immigration when almost everyone to a man views ALL of the people crossing on the boats as 'monsters' which patently isn't the case. That's stereotyping of the worst possible kind. The same way people view ALL on the boats as 'soldiers'. Again a stereotype. I'm not saying they aren't but equally I'm not saying they are. I'm offering a balanced viewpoint.

Shabana Mahmood has today said that all women traveling on these dinghys are raped on the trip over , yet the government still allow these savages in to the country and on to our streets , I believe british citizens are well within their rights to try and stop this as our government and police forces just roll out the red carpet even after admitting they are rapists

Actually, whether you are left, centre or right wing (like me), none of the above is 'within their rights' to try and stop this.

As frustrating as illegal immigration is, it is not right to take the law into one's own hands and I, even though I am right wing in my views, cannot condone and will not condone any left, centre, right, or far-right, organisation that employs masked bully boys masquerading as 'patriots', using or threatening violence against anyone. We are a civilised society, are we not, who rely on our leaders, however flawed, to lead us.

In times of grave crisis, the citizens of this island nation, have rallied and taken arms in time of need, when directed by our goverment, to serve the country and defend it, one has only to look at major conflicts such as The Great War and World War Two as prime examples.

Latest official figures are that since 2018, a total of 205,000 immigrants have come over to the UK, (as much as it sticks in my craw to say it, figures have massively fallen under Liebour) against a total UK population of 69.5 million people. By my maths thats 0.29% of the total population that are immigrants in the last 8 years.

Now, as right wing and anti-illegal immigration as I am, even I can see that that does not constitute a 'grave' crisis.

People will point out that illegal immigrants rape and murder our citizens. Yes some of them do. But statisically, 80% of sex crimes in the UK are perpetrated by white, british born males. Not surprising stats when you compute the above official stats regarding numbers of immigrants since 2018.

Believe me, this country has more pressing problems that illegal immigration, and the sooner Liebour are out the better, but it has to be the Tories in next election. Not Reform. Granted illegal immigration was rife the last time the Conservative party were in, but Reform? Their only slogan is 'Stop the Boats' - How you going to that then Mr Farage? Put a maginot line round the South Coast and blow them out of the water? Bit of news for you and Reform. Thats as illegal as illegal immigration. There are ALWAY going to be boats it's the nature of the beast, you cannot defend every sqaure yard of the English Channel its impossible. Change Asylum rules? Good luck on that - the right of asylum (genuine asylum) is not something you can interfere with readily. Deport them as soon as they land? Nope you cant do that you have to go through the proper process.

As a right winger myself, Reform would be a disaster - half of them were in charge when the Conservatives were in power before Liebour.

Whats the answer then? I don't know, but I know it's not far-right violence and thuggery. Makes us no better than anyone else.

The problem is if the government and the police force refuse to protect the british people from these monsters what else can we do to ensure the safety of our families other than to protect them ourselves

Which monsters? The small, but yes awful, amount of crime perpetrated by the illegal immigrants, or the vast percentage of violent/sexual crimes perpetrated by white, British born males? Personally I detest all criminals whether they are from here or overseas. make no difference to me. Clearly it does to you as you make no mention of UK born 'monsters'.

I'm sick of seeing this particular argument top tier "whataboutism"

It's not 'whataboutism' though is it? They are cold hard facts. Did you even bother reading my posts properly? I'm right wing and anti-illegal immigration. However, I am intelligent enough to look at the facts before me in terms of government/police statistics that are published and widely available and determine that the vast MAJORITY of crimes committed in this country are by British born nationals. Again not a huge surprise given that the population of the UK is 69.5 million and there have been 205,000 migrants come over since 2018. It's not rocket science to follow that the majority of crimes committed are by our own.

Now, if you extrapolate from the 205,000 immigrants that have arrived since 2018, the proportion of criminal activity committed within that figure, you may well find the percentages of those who have, and those who have not, committed a criminal offence since their arrival. I dont have those figures.

Nonetheless, the thrust of my point was that we have far more criminal problems to worry about among our own indigenous, home-bred people than people are taking into consideration here.

Case in current point is the 8 white, british born males, who were recently given long sentences for their participation in a child grooming/paedophile ring. Surely they are just as culpable and reprehensible as any illegal immigrant that comes over and does the same thing?

Wouldnt you agree? However, I don't see the same outpouring of vitriol and hate for them on news/social media as the 'potential' monsters coming in on boats get. People see the occupants of any small boat and make snap judgements on them when in fact that judgement COULD be baseless.

Do you see where I'm coming from here? I dont want illegal immigrants as much as the next person, and I can see the inherent problems of long term continuance, but I'm also not so blind that I can't see the wood for the trees.

Do you understand pro rata?
Also you claim government statistics separate offenders by ethnicity, yet many police forces don’t do that, so where’s your source for this?
As I’ve already stated, countries that monitor and record migrant crime, state they offend at a much higher rate than nationals.
You keep making straw man whataboutery arguments, Paedos are scum, irrespective of nationality, I’ve not heard anyone dispute that. We have more than enough of our own homegrown nonces, we don’t have to import more.

Yes I understand Pro Rata I use it all day long in my work. I also understand that you are talking about other countries that monitor and record migrant crime. All well and good but where's your stats for the UK? You asked where mine came from - here.
According to the Ministry of Justice Statistics on Ethnicity and the Criminal Justice System for England and Wales, 79% of suspects arrested were White, 8% were Asian, 7% were Black, 4% were Mixed, and 2% were of another ethnic group.

Official statistics do not track an absolute category called "serious crime" by ethnicity, but instead report data by police arrests, prosecutions, and specific indictable (serious) offences.

Arrests and Prosecutions for Indictable Offences 2025
Official data for defendants prosecuted for indictable (serious) offences show the following breakdown where ethnicity is known:
• White: 83%
• Black: 7%
• Asian: 6%
• Mixed: 3%
• Other: 1%

Shabana Mahmood has today said that all women traveling on these dinghys are raped on the trip over , yet the government still allow these savages in to the country and on to our streets , I believe british citizens are well within their rights to try and stop this as our government and police forces just roll out the red carpet even after admitting they are rapists

Actually, whether you are left, centre or right wing (like me), none of the above is 'within their rights' to try and stop this.

As frustrating as illegal immigration is, it is not right to take the law into one's own hands and I, even though I am right wing in my views, cannot condone and will not condone any left, centre, right, or far-right, organisation that employs masked bully boys masquerading as 'patriots', using or threatening violence against anyone. We are a civilised society, are we not, who rely on our leaders, however flawed, to lead us.

In times of grave crisis, the citizens of this island nation, have rallied and taken arms in time of need, when directed by our goverment, to serve the country and defend it, one has only to look at major conflicts such as The Great War and World War Two as prime examples.

Latest official figures are that since 2018, a total of 205,000 immigrants have come over to the UK, (as much as it sticks in my craw to say it, figures have massively fallen under Liebour) against a total UK population of 69.5 million people. By my maths thats 0.29% of the total population that are immigrants in the last 8 years.

Now, as right wing and anti-illegal immigration as I am, even I can see that that does not constitute a 'grave' crisis.

People will point out that illegal immigrants rape and murder our citizens. Yes some of them do. But statisically, 80% of sex crimes in the UK are perpetrated by white, british born males. Not surprising stats when you compute the above official stats regarding numbers of immigrants since 2018.

Believe me, this country has more pressing problems that illegal immigration, and the sooner Liebour are out the better, but it has to be the Tories in next election. Not Reform. Granted illegal immigration was rife the last time the Conservative party were in, but Reform? Their only slogan is 'Stop the Boats' - How you going to that then Mr Farage? Put a maginot line round the South Coast and blow them out of the water? Bit of news for you and Reform. Thats as illegal as illegal immigration. There are ALWAY going to be boats it's the nature of the beast, you cannot defend every sqaure yard of the English Channel its impossible. Change Asylum rules? Good luck on that - the right of asylum (genuine asylum) is not something you can interfere with readily. Deport them as soon as they land? Nope you cant do that you have to go through the proper process.

As a right winger myself, Reform would be a disaster - half of them were in charge when the Conservatives were in power before Liebour.

Whats the answer then? I don't know, but I know it's not far-right violence and thuggery. Makes us no better than anyone else.

The problem is if the government and the police force refuse to protect the british people from these monsters what else can we do to ensure the safety of our families other than to protect them ourselves

Which monsters? The small, but yes awful, amount of crime perpetrated by the illegal immigrants, or the vast percentage of violent/sexual crimes perpetrated by white, British born males? Personally I detest all criminals whether they are from here or overseas. make no difference to me. Clearly it does to you as you make no mention of UK born 'monsters'.

I'm sick of seeing this particular argument top tier "whataboutism"

It's not 'whataboutism' though is it? They are cold hard facts. Did you even bother reading my posts properly? I'm right wing and anti-illegal immigration. However, I am intelligent enough to look at the facts before me in terms of government/police statistics that are published and widely available and determine that the vast MAJORITY of crimes committed in this country are by British born nationals. Again not a huge surprise given that the population of the UK is 69.5 million and there have been 205,000 migrants come over since 2018. It's not rocket science to follow that the majority of crimes committed are by our own.

Now, if you extrapolate from the 205,000 immigrants that have arrived since 2018, the proportion of criminal activity committed within that figure, you may well find the percentages of those who have, and those who have not, committed a criminal offence since their arrival. I dont have those figures.

Nonetheless, the thrust of my point was that we have far more criminal problems to worry about among our own indigenous, home-bred people than people are taking into consideration here.

Case in current point is the 8 white, british born males, who were recently given long sentences for their participation in a child grooming/paedophile ring. Surely they are just as culpable and reprehensible as any illegal immigrant that comes over and does the same thing?

Wouldnt you agree? However, I don't see the same outpouring of vitriol and hate for them on news/social media as the 'potential' monsters coming in on boats get. People see the occupants of any small boat and make snap judgements on them when in fact that judgement COULD be baseless.

Do you see where I'm coming from here? I dont want illegal immigrants as much as the next person, and I can see the inherent problems of long term continuance, but I'm also not so blind that I can't see the wood for the trees.

Do you understand pro rata?
Also you claim government statistics separate offenders by ethnicity, yet many police forces don’t do that, so where’s your source for this?
As I’ve already stated, countries that monitor and record migrant crime, state they offend at a much higher rate than nationals.
You keep making straw man whataboutery arguments, Paedos are scum, irrespective of nationality, I’ve not heard anyone dispute that. We have more than enough of our own homegrown nonces, we don’t have to import more.

Yes I understand Pro Rata I use it all day long in my work. I also understand that you are talking about other countries that monitor and record migrant crime. All well and good but where's your stats for the UK? You asked where mine came from - here.
According to the Ministry of Justice Statistics on Ethnicity and the Criminal Justice System for England and Wales, 79% of suspects arrested were White, 8% were Asian, 7% were Black, 4% were Mixed, and 2% were of another ethnic group.

Official statistics do not track an absolute category called "serious crime" by ethnicity, but instead report data by police arrests, prosecutions, and specific indictable (serious) offences.

Arrests and Prosecutions for Indictable Offences 2025
Official data for defendants prosecuted for indictable (serious) offences show the following breakdown where ethnicity is known:
• White: 83%
• Black: 7%
• Asian: 6%
• Mixed: 3%
• Other: 1%

So if you’re familiar with statistics you know that if some police forces don’t record ethnicity, the data is incomplete and virtually worthless. Countries that do record data comprehensively, show that certain ethnicities offend at a much higher rate than natives. Do you think the UK is an outlier and groups who offend, at a higher rate in other countries, suddenly become model citizens in the UK?

Jail gives him a chance to read & study his bible.
Attend church & pray everyday
On release he will renounce all violence and become a minister of the cloth.
He will become a missionary in the poorest parts of the world
Amen


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Yes I understand Pro Rata I use it all day long in my work. I also understand that you are talking about other countries that monitor and record migrant crime. All well and good but where's your stats for the UK? You asked where mine came from - here.
According to the Ministry of Justice Statistics on Ethnicity and the Criminal Justice System for England and Wales, 79% of suspects arrested were White, 8% were Asian, 7% were Black, 4% were Mixed, and 2% were of another ethnic group.

Official statistics do not track an absolute category called "serious crime" by ethnicity, but instead report data by police arrests, prosecutions, and specific indictable (serious) offences.

Arrests and Prosecutions for Indictable Offences 2025
Official data for defendants prosecuted for indictable (serious) offences show the following breakdown where ethnicity is known:
• White: 83%
• Black: 7%
• Asian: 6%
• Mixed: 3%
• Other: 1%

If you understand pro-rata you understand how the statistics you are using are not pro-rata and utterly meaningless in the context of the discussion.

Also your argument is absolutely 100% completely based in whataboutism.

To breakdown down why it is...

Danny Thommo and Patriot Platform's core focus is specifically focused on stopping illegal immigration (at the moment boat crossings.)

There are three key talking points used to dilute this discussion designed to push the debate to being perceived as a radical right wing position. These are used as decoy points that are deployed to appeal to the less-political / informed, and 'other' the opponent.

(Its actually a tried and tested strategy and at the minute Farage is using it on one side and Burham is using it on the other. A kind interpretation of this approach would be a form of populist argument but its just careerist politikal manipulation to be honest.)

So in this particular discussion (illegal immigration/boat people) the key distractions used are:

1) The indigenous population causes the majority of crimes.
2) Legal immigration is OK.
3) Refugees are fleeing regions of harm

You've used each of these across the thread so first just take these out of the conversation, so they don't dilute the topic at hand.

1) Indigenous population causing majority of crimes.

This is of course pure whataboutism. The argument in a nutshell being 'you are complaining about the headlines of illegal immigrants but what about all the indigenous people also committing crimes' . There is no other way to define this other than the logical fallacy it is (tu quo que / whataboutism).

To remove it from the conversation we simply have to acknowledge that indigenous crime is an issue we can do nothing about, but there is no reason whatsoever we should compound that by importing additional criminals to add to our own.


2) Legal migration is OK
Absolutely. And why should someone that has gone through the right channels, paid the due fees and done everything correctly be put behind someone that breaks into the country illegally? Every person that is housed after arriving illegally undermines the legal routes and is an insult to any immigrant who has arrived legally. Introducing legal immigration into a discussion on illegal immigration is again whataboutism. The argument in a nutshell is 'you are complaining about the headlines of illegal immigrants but what about all the legal migrants working for the NHS etc'

To remove it from the equation we can simply agree that legal immigration is different to illegal and our discussion is on illegal.


3)Refugees are fleeing regions of harm
Firstly this is impossible. We are an island and the nearest routes to us are not warzones (although France is debatable right now). A refugee has to be fleeing danger and France and the Netherlands (the only other alternative country to realistically try to get to the UK) are not dangerous. No one arriving illegally can legitimately claim to be a refugee. But lets just assume that some are refugees. The argument in a nutshell is 'you are complaining about the headlines of illegal immigrants but what about those fleeing war etc' .

To remove this from the conversation we can agree that anyone that can prove they are from a war-zone can come in. But we want documentation. Throw your passport in the channel and we're going to assume you've done it to hide something.


So now we've removed the three distractions we can begin to discuss the topic at hand properly

Some important questions that need to be discussed to get to the heart of the issue:

1) If an illegal migrant who cannot prove they are leaving from a warzone arrives do they have any right to asylum in this country?
2) Is there ongoing evidence of violent sexual crime from the illegal migrant population?
3) Is the problem being visibly tackled by the current government?
4) Did the previous government also fail in this regard?
5)Do the people of Britain feel alienated and disenfranchised?

These are questions that are core to the discussion, and honest open response to these can help push to understanding of the actual issue - but you have to wade through the gatekeepers and their endless layers of whataboutisms to get to there.

For my take...

The Patriot Platform lads had the high-ground initially with the whole balaclava but non-violent thing. It was clever it was a quiet, very visible legal show of strength. Danny Thommo stabbing the dinghy was stupid. It was a stunt and it was obvious what would happen. Part of me thinks it might have been a masterstroke deliberately taking the hit, to act as a lightning rod, but I think that is possibly attributing too much forethought and he probably just got caught in his own hype and went too far. Not sure, but I think it was the wrong move.

Final thing is I don't necessarily trust someone that feels the need to constantly assert there 'right-wing' credentials. "I'm really anti-immigration but I'm just going to parrot a bunch of left-wing talking points, mis-represent the data and lean hard to into the key whataboutisms that dilute the discussion.." i dunno just feels either a bit sus or a bit useful idiot to me.

I'll take the points made on face value but something doesn't ring quite true to me

Anyways i'm going back to lurking in the shadows.

He is a political prisoner in a totalitarian state with a corrupt judiciary.
Who owns the boat thats the big question to ask

Yes I understand Pro Rata I use it all day long in my work. I also understand that you are talking about other countries that monitor and record migrant crime. All well and good but where's your stats for the UK? You asked where mine came from - here.
According to the Ministry of Justice Statistics on Ethnicity and the Criminal Justice System for England and Wales, 79% of suspects arrested were White, 8% were Asian, 7% were Black, 4% were Mixed, and 2% were of another ethnic group.

Official statistics do not track an absolute category called "serious crime" by ethnicity, but instead report data by police arrests, prosecutions, and specific indictable (serious) offences.

Arrests and Prosecutions for Indictable Offences 2025
Official data for defendants prosecuted for indictable (serious) offences show the following breakdown where ethnicity is known:
• White: 83%
• Black: 7%
• Asian: 6%
• Mixed: 3%
• Other: 1%

If you understand pro-rata you understand how the statistics you are using are not pro-rata and utterly meaningless in the context of the discussion.

Also your argument is absolutely 100% completely based in whataboutism.

To breakdown down why it is...

Danny Thommo and Patriot Platform's core focus is specifically focused on stopping illegal immigration (at the moment boat crossings.)

There are three key talking points used to dilute this discussion designed to push the debate to being perceived as a radical right wing position. These are used as decoy points that are deployed to appeal to the less-political / informed, and 'other' the opponent.

(Its actually a tried and tested strategy and at the minute Farage is using it on one side and Burham is using it on the other. A kind interpretation of this approach would be a form of populist argument but its just careerist politikal manipulation to be honest.)

So in this particular discussion (illegal immigration/boat people) the key distractions used are:

1) The indigenous population causes the majority of crimes.
2) Legal immigration is OK.
3) Refugees are fleeing regions of harm

You've used each of these across the thread so first just take these out of the conversation, so they don't dilute the topic at hand.

1) Indigenous population causing majority of crimes.

This is of course pure whataboutism. The argument in a nutshell being 'you are complaining about the headlines of illegal immigrants but what about all the indigenous people also committing crimes' . There is no other way to define this other than the logical fallacy it is (tu quo que / whataboutism).

To remove it from the conversation we simply have to acknowledge that indigenous crime is an issue we can do nothing about, but there is no reason whatsoever we should compound that by importing additional criminals to add to our own.


2) Legal migration is OK
Absolutely. And why should someone that has gone through the right channels, paid the due fees and done everything correctly be put behind someone that breaks into the country illegally? Every person that is housed after arriving illegally undermines the legal routes and is an insult to any immigrant who has arrived legally. Introducing legal immigration into a discussion on illegal immigration is again whataboutism. The argument in a nutshell is 'you are complaining about the headlines of illegal immigrants but what about all the legal migrants working for the NHS etc'

To remove it from the equation we can simply agree that legal immigration is different to illegal and our discussion is on illegal.


3)Refugees are fleeing regions of harm
Firstly this is impossible. We are an island and the nearest routes to us are not warzones (although France is debatable right now). A refugee has to be fleeing danger and France and the Netherlands (the only other alternative country to realistically try to get to the UK) are not dangerous. No one arriving illegally can legitimately claim to be a refugee. But lets just assume that some are refugees. The argument in a nutshell is 'you are complaining about the headlines of illegal immigrants but what about those fleeing war etc' .

To remove this from the conversation we can agree that anyone that can prove they are from a war-zone can come in. But we want documentation. Throw your passport in the channel and we're going to assume you've done it to hide something.


So now we've removed the three distractions we can begin to discuss the topic at hand properly

Some important questions that need to be discussed to get to the heart of the issue:

1) If an illegal migrant who cannot prove they are leaving from a warzone arrives do they have any right to asylum in this country?
2) Is there ongoing evidence of violent sexual crime from the illegal migrant population?
3) Is the problem being visibly tackled by the current government?
4) Did the previous government also fail in this regard?
5)Do the people of Britain feel alienated and disenfranchised?

These are questions that are core to the discussion, and honest open response to these can help push to understanding of the actual issue - but you have to wade through the gatekeepers and their endless layers of whataboutisms to get to there.

For my take...

The Patriot Platform lads had the high-ground initially with the whole balaclava but non-violent thing. It was clever it was a quiet, very visible legal show of strength. Danny Thommo stabbing the dinghy was stupid. It was a stunt and it was obvious what would happen. Part of me thinks it might have been a masterstroke deliberately taking the hit, to act as a lightning rod, but I think that is possibly attributing too much forethought and he probably just got caught in his own hype and went too far. Not sure, but I think it was the wrong move.

Final thing is I don't necessarily trust someone that feels the need to constantly assert there 'right-wing' credentials. "I'm really anti-immigration but I'm just going to parrot a bunch of left-wing talking points, mis-represent the data and lean hard to into the key whataboutisms that dilute the discussion.." i dunno just feels either a bit sus or a bit useful idiot to me.

I'll take the points made on face value but something doesn't ring quite true to me

Anyways i'm going back to lurking in the shadows.

Good to see you on here again

Good to see you on here again

Cheers Dude - appreciate that

He is a political prisoner in a totalitarian state with a corrupt judiciary.
Who owns the boat thats the big question to ask

This is the most sinister time of my lifetime. A politicised judiciary, a politicised police force and a compliant main stream media.
On the Danny Tommo incident, who’s suffered loss, who’s the complainant and does the crime merit 6 months on remand?

On 2 tier Justice Lucy Connolly got 2 years 7 months for a tweet that did not directly threaten anyone, a Pakistani child rapist just got 3 years. A Labour councillor, who told his followers to cut right wingers throats got no jail time. The vile Fabian filth have got their wishes, we are in a terrible place, which will only get worse.