OT: YOUR SENNEDD ELECTION VOTE?

If this puts the final nail in Starmer's coffin then I can live with the inevitable huge losses my party, Labour, have all over the country.

There weren't elections in my area and, although it's none of my business what Wales does, I hope those that normally vote Labour have voted for Plaid to stop Reform.

No we have voted Reform .ha.

There's no way on God's earth I'd vote Plaid - they're just Labour 2.0 who are hell bent on Welsh independence above all else.

Sad to see that this thread is just a bunch of people slagging each other off. Or maybe more accurately, a lot of posters ganging up to have a go at anyone who criticises Reform. Everyone is entitled to vote and I hope everyone has done so.
In my view, Reform is a far right party some sort of alliance of the National Front and right wing posh tories ( their leaders). My parents generation fought in WW2 against facism and Reform is dangerously divisive. But that is just my opinion.
On a factual side
Reform has 3 core themes - none of which hold water.:
economic infeasibility, lack of detailed policy substance, and an over-reliance on populist rhetoric.Fiscal Recklessness ("Unfunded Promises"): The Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) described Reform's manifesto as a collection of "unfunded promises" that did not add up. The plans for massive tax cuts, coupled with spending increases, would require severe cuts to public services or lead to a market-rattling "Liz Truss-style" economic crisis.
Lack of Reform operates as a "space for discontent" . Many policies are
Slogans designed for opposition rather than actionable solutions to governance.
Attacking Public Services and Workers: Reform’s policies are anti-working class, aiming to repeal new employment rights, cut public sector jobs, and push for private healthcare.
Worst of all play on racism - ie a divisive culture war.While pledging strict border controls, (which we all agree with but which has no simple solution. Reform’s immigration policiies rely on impractical, and extremely hard-to-enforce detention and repatriation statements!
Hopefully most people in Wales have not voted Reform.

Sad to see that this thread is just a bunch of people slagging each other off. Or maybe more accurately, a lot of posters ganging up to have a go at anyone who criticises Reform. Everyone is entitled to vote and I hope everyone has done so.
In my view, Reform is a far right party some sort of alliance of the National Front and right wing posh tories ( their leaders). My parents generation fought in WW2 against facism and Reform is dangerously divisive. But that is just my opinion.
On a factual side
Reform has 3 core themes - none of which hold water.:
economic infeasibility, lack of detailed policy substance, and an over-reliance on populist rhetoric.Fiscal Recklessness ("Unfunded Promises"): The Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) described Reform's manifesto as a collection of "unfunded promises" that did not add up. The plans for massive tax cuts, coupled with spending increases, would require severe cuts to public services or lead to a market-rattling "Liz Truss-style" economic crisis.
Lack of Reform operates as a "space for discontent" . Many policies are
Slogans designed for opposition rather than actionable solutions to governance.
Attacking Public Services and Workers: Reform’s policies are anti-working class, aiming to repeal new employment rights, cut public sector jobs, and push for private healthcare.
Worst of all play on racism - ie a divisive culture war.While pledging strict border controls, (which we all agree with but which has no simple solution. Reform’s immigration policiies rely on impractical, and extremely hard-to-enforce detention and repatriation statements!
Hopefully most people in Wales have not voted Reform.

I am surprised some of these welsh reform voters are not ordering union jacks for next season

You offer absolutely nothing but meaningless slabberings. I listed 6 problems with illegal immigration. Tell me where and why I’m wrong

I told you immigration is a serious problem and needs action



Thats not enough , you lot are obsessed with immigration and anyone else is a commie , leftist , queer starmer etc etc


Thats not grown up debate

If this puts the final nail in Starmer's coffin then I can live with the inevitable huge losses my party, Labour, have all over the country.

There weren't elections in my area and, although it's none of my business what Wales does, I hope those that normally vote Labour have voted for Plaid to stop Reform.

Do you honestly think that the status quo i.e. Plaid/Labour would actually help Wales move forward Ned? Seriously?

In my view Wales has been decimated by Labour since the Senedd was formed. And you honestly think Reform would be worse?

Sad to see that this thread is just a bunch of people slagging each other off. Or maybe more accurately, a lot of posters ganging up to have a go at anyone who criticises Reform. Everyone is entitled to vote and I hope everyone has done so.
In my view, Reform is a far right party some sort of alliance of the National Front and right wing posh tories ( their leaders). My parents generation fought in WW2 against facism and Reform is dangerously divisive. But that is just my opinion.
On a factual side
Reform has 3 core themes - none of which hold water.:
economic infeasibility, lack of detailed policy substance, and an over-reliance on populist rhetoric.Fiscal Recklessness ("Unfunded Promises"): The Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) described Reform's manifesto as a collection of "unfunded promises" that did not add up. The plans for massive tax cuts, coupled with spending increases, would require severe cuts to public services or lead to a market-rattling "Liz Truss-style" economic crisis.
Lack of Reform operates as a "space for discontent" . Many policies are
Slogans designed for opposition rather than actionable solutions to governance.
Attacking Public Services and Workers: Reform’s policies are anti-working class, aiming to repeal new employment rights, cut public sector jobs, and push for private healthcare.
Worst of all play on racism - ie a divisive culture war.While pledging strict border controls, (which we all agree with but which has no simple solution. Reform’s immigration policiies rely on impractical, and extremely hard-to-enforce detention and repatriation statements!
Hopefully most people in Wales have not voted Reform.

Reform voters , like me, have an alliance with the National Front. Dear oh dear. All the new left have is stop reform, nothing else. They offer absolutely nothing.
The vile attempts to brand anyone with concerns about immigration, as racists really is gutter politics and the most socially divisive crap I’ve ever witnessed. I’m old fashioned and adhere to MLKs judge people on the content of their character, not colour of their skin.

Looks like you are as popular as ever on this site too sludge. Whatever next for you? You could pretend to be a decorator again?
That city and guilds you did back in 1983 came in handy after….and you never turned up to the decorator trade show at the CCS to tell us all about how great you were, strangely disappeared a month before it and didn’t re appear until a month after…

Now stop your lying

It was 1998 and I have all my papers and cards ...unlike you , cowboy

You said you slapped on 2 coats of crown fast flow , using the first one as an undercoat

Cowboy decorating

Crown have an undercoat specially for the process

I told you I would meet you at the trade event at the crown stall if you wanted to be proved wrong and you could argue with the manufacturer

You never followed it up






I have already sent you a PM which you havnt opened


You clown

What on earth are you both on about

Chris this Sludge used to post on MM's site, I dont know if he still does but Maybe he was thrown of with his OPINION that labour can do no wrong and winding up the posters, who knows

He’s banned from the football one, he should be banned from talking politics too mind, he talks more sense on the football one hey sludge? Half your life working for homeless charities…..yeah rightio…a few years you mean?

You are a right two faced little ponce

Why’s that then? I’ll call u out for exactly the same stuff on the other site…..

Looks like you are as popular as ever on this site too sludge. Whatever next for you? You could pretend to be a decorator again?
That city and guilds you did back in 1983 came in handy after….and you never turned up to the decorator trade show at the CCS to tell us all about how great you were, strangely disappeared a month before it and didn’t re appear until a month after…

Now stop your lying

It was 1998 and I have all my papers and cards ...unlike you , cowboy

You said you slapped on 2 coats of crown fast flow , using the first one as an undercoat

Cowboy decorating

Crown have an undercoat specially for the process

I told you I would meet you at the trade event at the crown stall if you wanted to be proved wrong and you could argue with the manufacturer

You never followed it up






I have already sent you a PM which you havnt opened


You clown

What on earth are you both on about

Are you qualified i have done over 50 years all aspects of decor papering wood grainning marbling paint effects etc.

You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

Looks like you are as popular as ever on this site too sludge. Whatever next for you? You could pretend to be a decorator again?
That city and guilds you did back in 1983 came in handy after….and you never turned up to the decorator trade show at the CCS to tell us all about how great you were, strangely disappeared a month before it and didn’t re appear until a month after…

Now stop your lying

It was 1998 and I have all my papers and cards ...unlike you , cowboy

You said you slapped on 2 coats of crown fast flow , using the first one as an undercoat

Cowboy decorating

Crown have an undercoat specially for the process

I told you I would meet you at the trade event at the crown stall if you wanted to be proved wrong and you could argue with the manufacturer

You never followed it up






I have already sent you a PM which you havnt opened


You clown

What on earth are you both on about

Are you qualified i have done over 50 years all aspects of decor papering wood grainning marbling paint effects etc.

This

You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

Looks like you are as popular as ever on this site too sludge. Whatever next for you? You could pretend to be a decorator again?
That city and guilds you did back in 1983 came in handy after….and you never turned up to the decorator trade show at the CCS to tell us all about how great you were, strangely disappeared a month before it and didn’t re appear until a month after…

Now stop your lying

It was 1998 and I have all my papers and cards ...unlike you , cowboy

You said you slapped on 2 coats of crown fast flow , using the first one as an undercoat

Cowboy decorating

Crown have an undercoat specially for the process

I told you I would meet you at the trade event at the crown stall if you wanted to be proved wrong and you could argue with the manufacturer

You never followed it up






I have already sent you a PM which you havnt opened


You clown

What on earth are you both on about

Are you qualified i have done over 50 years all aspects of decor papering wood grainning marbling paint effects etc.

This

You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

Looks like you are as popular as ever on this site too sludge. Whatever next for you? You could pretend to be a decorator again?
That city and guilds you did back in 1983 came in handy after….and you never turned up to the decorator trade show at the CCS to tell us all about how great you were, strangely disappeared a month before it and didn’t re appear until a month after…

Now stop your lying

It was 1998 and I have all my papers and cards ...unlike you , cowboy

You said you slapped on 2 coats of crown fast flow , using the first one as an undercoat

Cowboy decorating

Crown have an undercoat specially for the process

I told you I would meet you at the trade event at the crown stall if you wanted to be proved wrong and you could argue with the manufacturer

You never followed it up






I have already sent you a PM which you havnt opened


You clown

What on earth are you both on about

Are you qualified i have done over 50 years all aspects of decor papering wood grainning marbling paint effects etc.

This

You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

Proper decorating.

Looks like you are as popular as ever on this site too sludge. Whatever next for you? You could pretend to be a decorator again?
That city and guilds you did back in 1983 came in handy after….and you never turned up to the decorator trade show at the CCS to tell us all about how great you were, strangely disappeared a month before it and didn’t re appear until a month after…

Now stop your lying

It was 1998 and I have all my papers and cards ...unlike you , cowboy

You said you slapped on 2 coats of crown fast flow , using the first one as an undercoat

Cowboy decorating

Crown have an undercoat specially for the process

I told you I would meet you at the trade event at the crown stall if you wanted to be proved wrong and you could argue with the manufacturer

You never followed it up






I have already sent you a PM which you havnt opened


You clown

What on earth are you both on about

Are you qualified i have done over 50 years all aspects of decor papering wood grainning marbling paint effects etc.

Here i hand painted a wysteria on a chimney breast.

Proper decorating.

Yes me too


City and Guilds and Advanced Craft diploma from Bridgend CT


Never used much of the colour washing , marbloping or wood graining these days

And papering wise its been lining paper to achieve flat walls these days they have wanted

Complicated drop match patterns are a real challenge even for time served

Sad to see that this thread is just a bunch of people slagging each other off. Or maybe more accurately, a lot of posters ganging up to have a go at anyone who criticises Reform. Everyone is entitled to vote and I hope everyone has done so.
In my view, Reform is a far right party some sort of alliance of the National Front and right wing posh tories ( their leaders). My parents generation fought in WW2 against facism and Reform is dangerously divisive. But that is just my opinion.
On a factual side
Reform has 3 core themes - none of which hold water.:
economic infeasibility, lack of detailed policy substance, and an over-reliance on populist rhetoric.Fiscal Recklessness ("Unfunded Promises"): The Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) described Reform's manifesto as a collection of "unfunded promises" that did not add up. The plans for massive tax cuts, coupled with spending increases, would require severe cuts to public services or lead to a market-rattling "Liz Truss-style" economic crisis.
Lack of Reform operates as a "space for discontent" . Many policies are
Slogans designed for opposition rather than actionable solutions to governance.
Attacking Public Services and Workers: Reform’s policies are anti-working class, aiming to repeal new employment rights, cut public sector jobs, and push for private healthcare.
Worst of all play on racism - ie a divisive culture war.While pledging strict border controls, (which we all agree with but which has no simple solution. Reform’s immigration policiies rely on impractical, and extremely hard-to-enforce detention and repatriation statements!
Hopefully most people in Wales have not voted Reform.

Reform voters , like me, have an alliance with the National Front. Dear oh dear. All the new left have is stop reform, nothing else. They offer absolutely nothing.
The vile attempts to brand anyone with concerns about immigration, as racists really is gutter politics and the most socially divisive crap I’ve ever witnessed. I’m old fashioned and adhere to MLKs judge people on the content of their character, not colour of their skin.

You are not new left or commie or leftist or whatever because you vote against the likes of farage

Thats exactly the sort of name calling you are comp,aining about

Looks like you are as popular as ever on this site too sludge. Whatever next for you? You could pretend to be a decorator again?
That city and guilds you did back in 1983 came in handy after….and you never turned up to the decorator trade show at the CCS to tell us all about how great you were, strangely disappeared a month before it and didn’t re appear until a month after…

Now stop your lying

It was 1998 and I have all my papers and cards ...unlike you , cowboy

You said you slapped on 2 coats of crown fast flow , using the first one as an undercoat

Cowboy decorating

Crown have an undercoat specially for the process

I told you I would meet you at the trade event at the crown stall if you wanted to be proved wrong and you could argue with the manufacturer

You never followed it up






I have already sent you a PM which you havnt opened


You clown

What on earth are you both on about

Are you qualified i have done over 50 years all aspects of decor papering wood grainning marbling paint effects etc.

That's rather nice Monty!

Looks like you are as popular as ever on this site too sludge. Whatever next for you? You could pretend to be a decorator again?
That city and guilds you did back in 1983 came in handy after….and you never turned up to the decorator trade show at the CCS to tell us all about how great you were, strangely disappeared a month before it and didn’t re appear until a month after…

Now stop your lying

It was 1998 and I have all my papers and cards ...unlike you , cowboy

You said you slapped on 2 coats of crown fast flow , using the first one as an undercoat

Cowboy decorating

Crown have an undercoat specially for the process

I told you I would meet you at the trade event at the crown stall if you wanted to be proved wrong and you could argue with the manufacturer

You never followed it up






I have already sent you a PM which you havnt opened


You clown

What on earth are you both on about

Are you qualified i have done over 50 years all aspects of decor papering wood grainning marbling paint effects etc.

Yes , fully qualified unlike goats who uses 2 coats of crown fastflow to achieve a finish instead of an undercoat , topcoat and if needed a second topcoat

I think hes a builder whos just picked it up and slaps it on

Sad to see that this thread is just a bunch of people slagging each other off. Or maybe more accurately, a lot of posters ganging up to have a go at anyone who criticises Reform. Everyone is entitled to vote and I hope everyone has done so.
In my view, Reform is a far right party some sort of alliance of the National Front and right wing posh tories ( their leaders). My parents generation fought in WW2 against facism and Reform is dangerously divisive. But that is just my opinion.
On a factual side
Reform has 3 core themes - none of which hold water.:
economic infeasibility, lack of detailed policy substance, and an over-reliance on populist rhetoric.Fiscal Recklessness ("Unfunded Promises"): The Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) described Reform's manifesto as a collection of "unfunded promises" that did not add up. The plans for massive tax cuts, coupled with spending increases, would require severe cuts to public services or lead to a market-rattling "Liz Truss-style" economic crisis.
Lack of Reform operates as a "space for discontent" . Many policies are
Slogans designed for opposition rather than actionable solutions to governance.
Attacking Public Services and Workers: Reform’s policies are anti-working class, aiming to repeal new employment rights, cut public sector jobs, and push for private healthcare.
Worst of all play on racism - ie a divisive culture war.While pledging strict border controls, (which we all agree with but which has no simple solution. Reform’s immigration policiies rely on impractical, and extremely hard-to-enforce detention and repatriation statements!
Hopefully most people in Wales have not voted Reform.

So you've come in given the everyone is entitled to their opinion bit then invoked WW2. Hahaha

Sad to see that this thread is just a bunch of people slagging each other off. Or maybe more accurately, a lot of posters ganging up to have a go at anyone who criticises Reform. Everyone is entitled to vote and I hope everyone has done so.
In my view, Reform is a far right party some sort of alliance of the National Front and right wing posh tories ( their leaders). My parents generation fought in WW2 against facism and Reform is dangerously divisive. But that is just my opinion.
On a factual side
Reform has 3 core themes - none of which hold water.:
economic infeasibility, lack of detailed policy substance, and an over-reliance on populist rhetoric.Fiscal Recklessness ("Unfunded Promises"): The Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) described Reform's manifesto as a collection of "unfunded promises" that did not add up. The plans for massive tax cuts, coupled with spending increases, would require severe cuts to public services or lead to a market-rattling "Liz Truss-style" economic crisis.
Lack of Reform operates as a "space for discontent" . Many policies are
Slogans designed for opposition rather than actionable solutions to governance.
Attacking Public Services and Workers: Reform’s policies are anti-working class, aiming to repeal new employment rights, cut public sector jobs, and push for private healthcare.
Worst of all play on racism - ie a divisive culture war.While pledging strict border controls, (which we all agree with but which has no simple solution. Reform’s immigration policiies rely on impractical, and extremely hard-to-enforce detention and repatriation statements!
Hopefully most people in Wales have not voted Reform.

So you've come in given the everyone is entitled to their opinion bit then invoked WW2. Hahaha

He's lying when he says our forefathers were anti fascist when fighting Germany. That's rewrighting history.
Our forefathers were motivated by nationalism, Also, wasn't refusing to fight against the law?

Our war veterans must be so disheartened at the grooming gang epidemic and all the terrorism. If they could go back, i brt yhey'd refuse to fight

Sad to see that this thread is just a bunch of people slagging each other off. Or maybe more accurately, a lot of posters ganging up to have a go at anyone who criticises Reform. Everyone is entitled to vote and I hope everyone has done so.
In my view, Reform is a far right party some sort of alliance of the National Front and right wing posh tories ( their leaders). My parents generation fought in WW2 against facism and Reform is dangerously divisive. But that is just my opinion.
On a factual side
Reform has 3 core themes - none of which hold water.:
economic infeasibility, lack of detailed policy substance, and an over-reliance on populist rhetoric.Fiscal Recklessness ("Unfunded Promises"): The Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) described Reform's manifesto as a collection of "unfunded promises" that did not add up. The plans for massive tax cuts, coupled with spending increases, would require severe cuts to public services or lead to a market-rattling "Liz Truss-style" economic crisis.
Lack of Reform operates as a "space for discontent" . Many policies are
Slogans designed for opposition rather than actionable solutions to governance.
Attacking Public Services and Workers: Reform’s policies are anti-working class, aiming to repeal new employment rights, cut public sector jobs, and push for private healthcare.
Worst of all play on racism - ie a divisive culture war.While pledging strict border controls, (which we all agree with but which has no simple solution. Reform’s immigration policiies rely on impractical, and extremely hard-to-enforce detention and repatriation statements!
Hopefully most people in Wales have not voted Reform.

So you've come in given the everyone is entitled to their opinion bit then invoked WW2. Hahaha

He's lying when he says our forefathers were anti fascist when fighting Germany. That's rewrighting history.
Our forefathers were motivated by nationalism, Also, wasn't refusing to fight against the law?

Our war veterans must be so disheartened at the grooming gang epidemic and all the terrorism. If they could go back, i brt yhey'd refuse to fight

I'm also not a fan of I don't like it so it's divisive, really stupid argument your opinions are also divisive you just don't think that they are.

Nevermind our war veterans what do you think would be said about Churchill if he was around today, I guarantee some of these idiots would be calling him a nazi

The truth doesn't care if you call it divisive

Looks like Plaid Cymru and Reform will take the majority of seats in the Senedd, with Plaid Cymru gaining the most seats without a clear majority

Big changes afoot in Welsh politics for sure!

Looks like you are as popular as ever on this site too sludge. Whatever next for you? You could pretend to be a decorator again?
That city and guilds you did back in 1983 came in handy after….and you never turned up to the decorator trade show at the CCS to tell us all about how great you were, strangely disappeared a month before it and didn’t re appear until a month after…

Now stop your lying

It was 1998 and I have all my papers and cards ...unlike you , cowboy

You said you slapped on 2 coats of crown fast flow , using the first one as an undercoat

Cowboy decorating

Crown have an undercoat specially for the process

I told you I would meet you at the trade event at the crown stall if you wanted to be proved wrong and you could argue with the manufacturer

You never followed it up






I have already sent you a PM which you havnt opened


You clown

What on earth are you both on about

Are you qualified i have done over 50 years all aspects of decor papering wood grainning marbling paint effects etc.

That's rather nice Monty!

Cheers budd I did the sky on a ceiling awkward as hell but did it all the same that was the sample I did for them before the project and the wisteria on the chimney breast was hand painted and the wokd grinning was done at a big hall.
Tha is again.

As soon as anyone calls a party "divisive" you know they have lost the argument!

Party politics is, by definition, divisive. One party has their view and the other party/parties think differently. That is politics.

I would call Labour the most divisive party in modern history because the vast majority of hard working people do not agree with them.

Just saying like....

Sad to see that this thread is just a bunch of people slagging each other off. Or maybe more accurately, a lot of posters ganging up to have a go at anyone who criticises Reform. Everyone is entitled to vote and I hope everyone has done so.
In my view, Reform is a far right party some sort of alliance of the National Front and right wing posh tories ( their leaders). My parents generation fought in WW2 against facism and Reform is dangerously divisive. But that is just my opinion.
On a factual side
Reform has 3 core themes - none of which hold water.:
economic infeasibility, lack of detailed policy substance, and an over-reliance on populist rhetoric.Fiscal Recklessness ("Unfunded Promises"): The Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) described Reform's manifesto as a collection of "unfunded promises" that did not add up. The plans for massive tax cuts, coupled with spending increases, would require severe cuts to public services or lead to a market-rattling "Liz Truss-style" economic crisis.
Lack of Reform operates as a "space for discontent" . Many policies are
Slogans designed for opposition rather than actionable solutions to governance.
Attacking Public Services and Workers: Reform’s policies are anti-working class, aiming to repeal new employment rights, cut public sector jobs, and push for private healthcare.
Worst of all play on racism - ie a divisive culture war.While pledging strict border controls, (which we all agree with but which has no simple solution. Reform’s immigration policiies rely on impractical, and extremely hard-to-enforce detention and repatriation statements!
Hopefully most people in Wales have not voted Reform.

Reform voters , like me, have an alliance with the National Front. Dear oh dear. All the new left have is stop reform, nothing else. They offer absolutely nothing.
The vile attempts to brand anyone with concerns about immigration, as racists really is gutter politics and the most socially divisive crap I’ve ever witnessed. I’m old fashioned and adhere to MLKs judge people on the content of their character, not colour of their skin.

You are not new left or commie or leftist or whatever because you vote against the likes of farage

Thats exactly the sort of name calling you are comp,aining about

you think there’s an equivalence calling someone Nazi/Racist or new left. Furfuxsake

Well, the Welsh people have spoken in an historic Welsh election.

Well done to Plaid Cymru on winning the most seats, I hope they can actually turn around the demise of Wales, I really do.

Fantastic result for Reform, it was great to see in my constituency (Gwynedd Maldwyn) we gained 2 seats with Plaid taking the other 4..........Labour not even on the map with 5% of the vote share.

But the biggest story of the election was the total collapse of a party that has Governed Wales for the last 27 years, and never lost an election in Wales in over 100 years! That, my friends, is a seismic shift.

Essentially, there are now only 2 real parties in Wales.....please vote responsibly.