UPDATED: ISRAELS MASSACRE OF INNOCENT PALESTINIANS CONTINUE

Why did Hamas do those videos?

There was so much pressure on Israel to stop (far too late) and then Hamas go and do that.

I hope that Hamas gets disarmed at the end of this and a Palestinian state can be established.

Think they did it to show what it's like to be starved afterall israel Denies theres a famine and the pictures and reports are lies and false information to discredit israel! It could also be to put pressure on Netanyahu from hostage relatives but as we know Netanyahu couldn't give a fig about them as its him whos stopped hostages being released through ceasefire he broke .......of all the hostages released only 4 have been rescued all rest released through ceasefires..... as they say desperate people do desperate things? as foreign leaders jump to condemn hamas yet still sit on hands at daily murder of civilians at aid points...
Did you know eu rules state if israel break rules of international law (which obviously they've done)
EU under their laws have to stop all economic and social co-operation with them yet they simply ignore their own laws as not to upset trump & Israelis.
"BUT LIKE YOU SAY BIT OF AN OWN GOAL BY HAMAS "
world leaders p++++NG in wind sbout two state solution as Israel do no want it under any circumstances neither do usa and as long as that situation remains israel will continue their objective of making gaza uninhabitable and forcing Palestinians to move out of gaza & west bank completely a tactic of nazi Germany .in Warsaw

It’s such a mess.

None of this would have happened if not for 7 October.

The end result is so bad.

Israel have just gone ott.

It’s such a mess.

None of this would have happened if not for 7 October.

The end result is so bad.

Israel have just gone ott.

Not sure what hamas hoped to achieve with Oct 7? But Israel should have stopped it considering that part of country is the most surveillanced on the planet ... did they want to stop it ? Must remember Israel didn't just throw an attack together they knew all the leaders of hamas where they were they paid hamas as well...also they planned hysballah attack 10yrs earlier so did they allow Oct 7 to put master plan in action The destruction and removal of Palestinians? Whats happening is called the generals plan formulated years earlier by Israeli generals! Can blame a lot of countries for not stopping Israel but usa must take the blame for prolonging conflict to what it is now because they've funded the war they've encouraged Netanyahu to destroy gaza (Rivera holiday by the med) and trumps bullying of countries who opposed Israels actions.... one word from trump it all stops one word from Arab league and war stops......but no they're all paralysed by Israeli influences in their countries. Same in Europe same at un ... the world should be ashamed of the blatant disregard of laws such as Geneva convention.... how can idf call itself the most moral army in the world when it's murdering civilians daily and starving them to death literally! I believe its to late to stop Israel and the people will be forced to leave gaza as nothing left to salvage? Then what will world do? Probably exactly what been doing past 2yrs "NOTHING "
but say how awful and disastrous .blah blah blah. While Israel rejoices in taken over another countries land a war crime going unpunished by the world.

It’s such a mess.

None of this would have happened if not for 7 October.

The end result is so bad.

Israel have just gone ott.

Not sure what hamas hoped to achieve with Oct 7? But Israel should have stopped it considering that part of country is the most surveillanced on the planet ... did they want to stop it ? Must remember Israel didn't just throw an attack together they knew all the leaders of hamas where they were they paid hamas as well...also they planned hysballah attack 10yrs earlier so did they allow Oct 7 to put master plan in action The destruction and removal of Palestinians? Whats happening is called the generals plan formulated years earlier by Israeli generals! Can blame a lot of countries for not stopping Israel but usa must take the blame for prolonging conflict to what it is now because they've funded the war they've encouraged Netanyahu to destroy gaza (Rivera holiday by the med) and trumps bullying of countries who opposed Israels actions.... one word from trump it all stops one word from Arab league and war stops......but no they're all paralysed by Israeli influences in their countries. Same in Europe same at un ... the world should be ashamed of the blatant disregard of laws such as Geneva convention.... how can idf call itself the most moral army in the world when it's murdering civilians daily and starving them to death literally! I believe its to late to stop Israel and the people will be forced to leave gaza as nothing left to salvage? Then what will world do? Probably exactly what been doing past 2yrs "NOTHING "
but say how awful and disastrous .blah blah blah. While Israel rejoices in taken over another countries land a war crime going unpunished by the world.

I’d be shocked if Israel let 7 oct happen.

It’s such a mess.

None of this would have happened if not for 7 October.

The end result is so bad.

Israel have just gone ott.

Not sure what hamas hoped to achieve with Oct 7? But Israel should have stopped it considering that part of country is the most surveillanced on the planet ... did they want to stop it ? Must remember Israel didn't just throw an attack together they knew all the leaders of hamas where they were they paid hamas as well...also they planned hysballah attack 10yrs earlier so did they allow Oct 7 to put master plan in action The destruction and removal of Palestinians? Whats happening is called the generals plan formulated years earlier by Israeli generals! Can blame a lot of countries for not stopping Israel but usa must take the blame for prolonging conflict to what it is now because they've funded the war they've encouraged Netanyahu to destroy gaza (Rivera holiday by the med) and trumps bullying of countries who opposed Israels actions.... one word from trump it all stops one word from Arab league and war stops......but no they're all paralysed by Israeli influences in their countries. Same in Europe same at un ... the world should be ashamed of the blatant disregard of laws such as Geneva convention.... how can idf call itself the most moral army in the world when it's murdering civilians daily and starving them to death literally! I believe its to late to stop Israel and the people will be forced to leave gaza as nothing left to salvage? Then what will world do? Probably exactly what been doing past 2yrs "NOTHING "
but say how awful and disastrous .blah blah blah. While Israel rejoices in taken over another countries land a war crime going unpunished by the world.

I’d be shocked if Israel let 7 oct happen.

I would be but Netanyahu as refused to hold enquiry as to how it happened and how aroubd 2 thousand terrorists were allowed to walk past hundreds of cameras and other surveillance equipment ? Tbh wouldn't put anything padt Netanyahu he doesn't give a toss about hostages why would allowing an attack put him off ? He met the two families of the hostages we saw yesterday in news.... they told him bluntly to end war and stop using it as reason to free them when ceasefire had worked successfully.

More and more American Jews and Israelis are calling what Netanyahu as done genocide!
Meeting today where Netanyahu was expected to expand war go control 100% of gaza was postponed due to hostility from various people within Israel? This is happening more and more due to his stance on war over peace to get hostages released.

We are all BLUEBIRDS, but hopefully we are all also human beings who are totally disgusted with Iraels actions in Gaza. Whatever your politics we must all condemn the slaughter of over 20 thousand children. There are now 1000s more facing death by starvation. Famine has officially been declared.
Still Israel denies it and is going to invade Gaza City.

Is there anything we can do to get our club and all clubs to show their opposition and utter disgust.???

Israel’s Nazi Regime are worse than War Criminals and it must never be forgotten what they have done to the the Palestinians:

Massacred them.

Burnt them alive.

Starved them to death.

Cut off water and medical supplies.

Murdered and Raped 20,000 Palestinian Children.

Destroyed their homes and Stolen them to give them to Israeli’s.

Massacred 60,000 Palestinians.

Killed over 170 Reporters.

Killed over 200 UN Medical Staff.

Isreal kill thousands of Palestinian Babies.

Israel Kill Palestinians just for target practice.

Bombed every Hospital in Gaza.

Israel has Currently Over 11,000 Palestinians Hostages.

Israel is an Evil Country run by a Nazi Regime.

This is something starmer and the rest of the cowardly leaders should read and stop licking Netanyahu and trumps posteriors and act! Action not words is needed NOW!! Long read but shows Israel for what it is a genocidal race.

Two Israeli soldiers converse on a
Israel-Gaza war
‘We didn’t understand the goals of the war’: Israel’s inflated Hamas death toll shows lack of strategy in Gaza
‘War dashboard’ showing number of militants killed was objective in itself with no plan for how Gaza could be governed afterwards, say sources in elite Unit 8200
As Israel gears up for a new offensive in Gaza, figures from a classified database suggest the country’s political and military leadership has for two years misled their country and the world about a war that has overwhelmingly killed civilians.


In May this year, Israel’s military intelligence database of Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad fighters had 47,653 names. Of them, 8,900 were marked as killed, or probably killed, a joint investigation by the Guardian, the Israeli-Palestinian publication +972 Magazine and the Hebrew-language outlet Local Call has found.

That is less than one in five of the total, and far below figures given publicly by politicians and military commanders, who have given tolls more than double that number, varying between 17,000 and 20,000 for the same period.

An intelligence team reviewing militant casualties concluded that the database probably undercounted the total “by a little” but the significantly higher figures given publicly were “inaccurate”, several intelligence sources said.

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The aftermath of an Israeli strike on Deir al-Balah. The overwhelming majority of deaths and injuries in the Gaza war have been civilians. Photograph: Haitham Imad/EPA
Killing a significant proportion of enemy soldiers is not always a military objective in war or a precondition for victory. But in the absence of a long-term strategy, Israel’s military chose to make the militant toll a metric of their success.

Soon after the start of the war, Yossi Sariel, then the head of the elite 8200 intelligence unit, began sending a daily update on the toll in the form of a data graph, which was dubbed the “war dashboard”, several intelligence sources told the Guardian.

The display was treated like “a football game, officers sitting around watching the numbers go up on the dashboard,” one source said.

Sariel and other senior commanders presented the deaths of Hamas fighters as an objective in itself, sources said. There was no discussion of how Gaza would be controlled or governed if Hamas collapsed, or what concessions Israel might try to force through the mass killing of individual fighters.

“We had a beautiful, interactive dashboard, but we didn’t understand the goals of the war,” one of Sariel’s subordinates said. “It was very frustrating, the flattening of things into numbers.” Asked about his focus on the number of militant casualties, Sariel declined to comment.

Several sources said that inflating militant death tolls, figures frequently reported and amplified by the Israeli media, was seen by some in the military as a way to restore their standing in the eyes of the Israeli public after the failures of 7 October 2023.

But from a strategic perspective that attempt to measure military progress through a militant body count, amid an extremely high rate of civilian killing, was tactically unsound and self-defeating, a senior western military source said.

“They are just measuring the wrong statistic. They will never be able to kill everybody who is associated with Hamas, so what is the definition of victory?”

For nearly two years, Benjamin Netanyahu has said Israeli forces are in Gaza to “destroy Hamas”, an objective so vague it could be pursued almost indefinitely.

The military capacities that allowed the group to massacre 1,200 people in Israel in 2023 have been destroyed. All bar one of the leadership group who planned the 7 October attacks have been killed, as have many of their replacements.

Israel has reduced much of Gaza to a flattened wasteland, killed or injured one in 10 of the prewar population and forced the starving survivors into just 20% of Gaza’s area.


In that apocalyptic landscape, after intensive bombings and ground operations that have killed tens of thousands of civilians, most of the people listed in Israel’s database as Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad fighters are still alive.

Israel defines and targets as militants many people who do not participate in combat, and are protected civilians under international law.

A specific piece of intelligence is attached to every operative on the list whom the army is sure it killed, justifying that designation, intelligence sources said. The Guardian, +972 and Local Call obtained figures without names or additional reports.

“Anybody that we have knowledge of their death, in any way whatsoever, will be documented there,” one source said. The document notes the confirmed deaths of 7,330 militants and records 1,570 as “probably dead”. There were 750 senior Hamas operatives in the database; 300 were labelled as certainly or probably killed.

Comparing the military database with the casualty list compiled by the Gaza health ministry indicates Israel killed five civilians for each militant inside Gaza. Mass killing is one factor cited by scholars, lawyers and rights groups, who say Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.

True death toll is higher
Both the military database and the health ministry casualty list are underestimates.

Israel’s military intelligence teams are aware they had not identified all militants and do not know of every death, sources with knowledge of the database said. But their estimates still indicated that “for each militant, four civilians were killed”.

The casualty list published by the health ministry includes only those whose bodies have been recovered, not the thousands buried under the rubble. Peer-reviewed international research also indicates a significantly higher toll.


Yet Netanyahu, who is wanted by the international criminal court over allegations of war crimes, is promising that another ground operation in Gaza City – which would inevitably bring further mass killings of Palestinian civilians – will allow the military to “seize control of the last terrorist strongholds” and defeat Hamas.

The western military source said: “What we are seeing now is another throw of a losing dice. Because this is not going to work. It’s going to be more of the same.

“There is no way that any of this is going to lead to any situation where you could possibly apply the word victory. It’s gratuitous violence for no military point at all.”

Hamas now has just a handful of rockets that it would struggle to deploy and its fighters would not easily get near the border fence, much less through it. It does not pose an existential threat to Israel, according to Israeli and Palestinian experts.

“They have lost the ability to threaten Israel itself for the next one to two decades minimum,” said Muhammad Shehada, an analyst at the European Council on Foreign Relations.

But if fighting continues in Gaza, Hamas could have time and manpower on its side. Israel’s military is structured to fight conventional armies in short wars, mobilising from reserves. Growing numbers of reservists are now refusing to report for duty, and the military is considering an appeal to the diaspora.

“Hamas can maintain a long-term insurgency in Gaza, because it doesn’t take much: all they need is rifles and anti-tank weapons,” Shehada said. “If they recycle the Israeli bombs that didn’t explode there is an endless supply of explosives, and the genocide provides an infinite recruiting pool for new members.”

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Destroyed buildings in Gaza City. Israel has reduced much of the strip to a flattened wasteland. Photograph: Omar al-Qattaa/AFP/Getty Images
American intelligence estimates suggest Hamas has recruited 15,000 operatives during the war, about twice as many as Israel has killed.

Public claims of a death toll approaching 20,000 have also been criticised by rightwing figures inside Israel. The retired general Itzhak Brik, a confidant of Netanyahu at the start of the war but now a fierce critic, believes even the 8,900 figure is an exaggeration.

The focus on the death toll offered a dangerous incentive to lie, he said, describing the much higher toll as “one of the most serious bluffs” in the country’s history.

In April 2024, several members of the Knesset’s foreign affairs and defense committee questioned militant casualty figures presented to them by the army, the rightwing daily Israel Hayom reported.

After examining the military’s data, the committee members found public estimates had inflated the number of militant casualties “in order to create a 2:1 ratio” between civilian and militant deaths.

Their findings echo numbers in the militant database seen by the Guardian. The list is based on Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad documents from before and after 7 October and extensive research. It includes thousands of militants the army believes were recruited after the start of the war.

The Israeli military did not dispute the existence of the database or the casualty data when approached for comment by Local Call and +972. When the Guardian asked for comment on the same data, a spokesperson said they had decided to “rephrase” their response.

In a statement to the Guardian the military did not directly address questions about the intelligence database. It said “figures presented in the article are incorrect”, without specifying the data it disputed. A spokesperson did not respond when asked why the military had given different responses to questions about a single set of data.

Last paragraph shows they've lied and lied ...8

We are all BLUEBIRDS, but hopefully we are all also human beings who are totally disgusted with Iraels actions in Gaza. Whatever your politics we must all condemn the slaughter of over 20 thousand children. There are now 1000s more facing death by starvation. Famine has officially been declared.
Still Israel denies it and is going to invade Gaza City.

Is there anything we can do to get our club and all clubs to show their opposition and utter disgust.???

Good idea about clubs but most premier league clubs definitely not as owned by israels pals usa and spurs owned by a jew in levy and traditionally a Jewish vlub anyway ... rfl are spineless do unfortunately no clubs will get involved

When is enough is enough for the politicians to stand up to Israel and give them what they deserve for today's murder of journalists and civilians at a hospital? They bombed it but when people went to rescue the injured they bombed it 15mins later killing 20 people thats plain murder ! Home Secretary lammy says hes appalled by what happened Trump not happy about it.... ffs stop being cowards and hit Israel with the severist sanctions possible.. and charge IDF/Netanyahu with murder because unquestionably that's what it was. Their nothing but murdering B ++++ards

When is enough is enough for the politicians to stand up to Israel and give them what they deserve for today's murder of journalists and civilians at a hospital? They bombed it but when people went to rescue the injured they bombed it 15mins later killing 20 people thats plain murder ! Home Secretary lammy says hes appalled by what happened Trump not happy about it.... ffs stop being cowards and hit Israel with the severist sanctions possible.. and charge IDF/Netanyahu with murder because unquestionably that's what it was. Their nothing but murdering B ++++ards

The lying toerag Netanyahu says he regrets the mishap?

Just sickening… words fail me. Its been obvious from early on that Israel want to obliterate Palestine and take the land.
Netanyahu called Palestinians to Amelakites from the Jewish bible from early on to stir up racial and religious hatred.
God commands King Saul in the first Book of Samuel to kill every person in Amalek, a rival nation to ancient Israel.

This is what the Lord Almighty says,” the prophet Samuel tells Saul. “‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death children donkeys sheep……”

Over 20,000 children murdered by Israel (prob a lot more) and still Trump (and Uk) supply arms while mouthing “disappointment” at the latest atrocities”.

As I said the far right in Israel consider Palestine to be Amelacites. Here the Bible quote…..
Thus says the LORD of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. 3 Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’ (1 Samuel 15:2–3 ESV

Utterly unbelievable.

Got to laugh or you'd cry? UN ect ect are calling for inquiry at what happened and why! Don't need anything to know what happened its a tactic used frequently by IDF to murder journalists and health workers under pretence of them being hamas operatives... of all inquires undertaken by Israel I to such incidents only 88% had outcome with only minor jail time as a sentence but not one of the major crimes like the 15 aid workers murdered By IDF have been investigated fully...... recently a settler murdered a Palestinian the perpetrator was given 3 days house arrest before released to attack more Palestinians....
Once again world leaders all mouth but no action will wait until next time and hear same bollocks from starmer lammy and the rest there must be a ceasefire will be saying this until all hostages are dead and Palestinians are in concentration camp in South with no land left for them..... cowards the lot of them.

Ffs starmer says attack was indefensible yet by his non action he's defending IDF/israel unequivocally two faced hypocrite..... and Germany wont sanction any action because they still feel guilty over what Hitler did 80yrs ago!! And UN and all the other NGO (non gvmnt organisations) won't say much or do anything because they're to scared Israel will not issue visa's to enter gaza as the Israelis have done to unwha .... basically the whole world are petrified of Israel because they're so upto armpits in trade be it military or economically that don't want to offend them.!

Israel doing what they do best? have 3 or 4 different explanations for their actions without any proof! This been story of the two yrs of war .... commit war crimes and lie about what happened....
In usa trump is holding a meeting to discuss aid supply's and what happens after ceasefire Tony Blair in on the act would I trust him? Not really given his history of lying over Iraq... they say peace can be achieved in 4 months only if Netanyahu says so that is.

After israels 3 different versions of why bombed hospital they now have to explain why they hit it four times in two different places supposedly to hit one little camera they showed they targeted.......
UN staff are demanding their boss declare officially Israel is committing genocide! I'd UN does that uk and rest will have no choice but to heavily sanction Israel and Netanyahu along with his generals? But can't see him having balls to do it like starmer lammy Macron ect he'll make an exc that it's upto courts to determine it...something that won't happen until all Palestinians are either dead or thrown out of gaza .

Israel and usa in particular are going into overdrive trying to discredit any attempt to take action against Israel or IDF ..... today trump wants to ban Palestinian delegation from UN meeting in NY where several countries are going to recognise a Palestinian state..... still everyone is mouthing off about IDFs attacks on gaza city but still decline to take action when will these people show guts to sanction Netanyahu and IDF and show compassion towards Palestinians suffering at Israels hands.