illuminati - Real or Fake?

Seen this thread yesterday and did alot of reading up and searching, trouble is i found alot of BS which annoyed me.

But i believe there is a definite elite group who has massive wealth and power, not sure if they want to re brand the world in their way, but it would not surprise me. Most rich and power people are mad.

I don't understand say the Disney stuff, early films etc its said there put in as the programs were made to make you docile, so you sit there watching getting this little bits and bobs feed to you.

I read up on the film Fantasia was meant to brain wash children, someone had gone through the whole film and wrote a description of roughly everything 1-2 minutes of something happening in the film, saying what he thought was brain washing you into thinking.

But then, the otherside of the coin you could think "They wont expect a popular company like Disney to brain wash"

The elite group is the Bilderberg Group who hold a secret conference annually.
If you want to avoid the BS read David Yallop's books. He is probably the best investigative journalist in the world (see my previous post on this thread about the Royal pardons).

Hardly feckin secret is it!! The Guardian and other papers run blogs on it every year. The discussions may be kept private but that's hardly rare when it comes to private conferences, not saying that's right, especially when it involves our politicians, but I doubt they are talking about a mass cull of humans with their lizard mates
Some people need this kind of shite to make them feel in the know and special, if you lot really believe it then how you don't get together and do something about it is beyond me, sums you all up

Name another conference where all the agenda is kept secret and there is no press involvement whatsoever. Even after MI5 and MI6 meetings there is information, albeit vague, but for Bilderberg there is nothing. As for people doing something about it, they demonstrate near the venue. Unfortunately the demonstrators are usually the anti-capitalist types who seem to try and highjack every cause and turn it into a left-wing agenda.

I've got better things to do than research for an argument on the internet, although if you believe there is only one conference in the world which is kept private you're naive.
I agree that it's not transparent and there should be more done to publisise it, especially our politicians involvement but I don't go as far as thinking they're planning some of the things mentioned in this thread.
If you believe in it all, what are you doing about it, apart from trying to enlighten people on a football forum?
Not being funny if I believed half the shit on this thread I'd have to do something, how some of you believe in it all and yet still carry on with your day to day lives is beyond me.
Yes the human world is fucked, but can't be that fucked.

Seen this thread yesterday and did alot of reading up and searching, trouble is i found alot of BS which annoyed me.

But i believe there is a definite elite group who has massive wealth and power, not sure if they want to re brand the world in their way, but it would not surprise me. Most rich and power people are mad.

I don't understand say the Disney stuff, early films etc its said there put in as the programs were made to make you docile, so you sit there watching getting this little bits and bobs feed to you.

I read up on the film Fantasia was meant to brain wash children, someone had gone through the whole film and wrote a description of roughly everything 1-2 minutes of something happening in the film, saying what he thought was brain washing you into thinking.

But then, the otherside of the coin you could think "They wont expect a popular company like Disney to brain wash"

The elite group is the Bilderberg Group who hold a secret conference annually.
If you want to avoid the BS read David Yallop's books. He is probably the best investigative journalist in the world (see my previous post on this thread about the Royal pardons).

Hardly feckin secret is it!! The Guardian and other papers run blogs on it every year. The discussions may be kept private but that's hardly rare when it comes to private conferences, not saying that's right, especially when it involves our politicians, but I doubt they are talking about a mass cull of humans with their lizard mates
Some people need this kind of shite to make them feel in the know and special, if you lot really believe it then how you don't get together and do something about it is beyond me, sums you all up

Name another conference where all the agenda is kept secret and there is no press involvement whatsoever. Even after MI5 and MI6 meetings there is information, albeit vague, but for Bilderberg there is nothing. As for people doing something about it, they demonstrate near the venue. Unfortunately the demonstrators are usually the anti-capitalist types who seem to try and highjack every cause and turn it into a left-wing agenda.

I've got better things to do than research for an argument on the internet, although if you believe there is only one conference in the world which is kept private you're naive.
I agree that it's not transparent and there should be more done to publisise it, especially our politicians involvement but I don't go as far as thinking they're planning some of the things mentioned in this thread.
If you believe in it all, what are you doing about it, apart from trying to enlighten people on a football forum?
Not being funny if I believed half the shit on this thread I'd have to do something, how some of you believe in it all and yet still carry on with your day to day lives is beyond me.
Yes the human world is fucked, but can't be that fucked.

judging by our posts it looks as if we have similar thoughts. some people are funny

Yes it's real and i could go on and on and on about it.
But it's so massively encompassing that the only way anyone can get any real grasp on it is to look in to it your self. I'd suggest by reading "Behold a pale horse" by Bill Cooper. I'll try and keep it small and sweet. (this is a football forum after all)

Here's the degrees of initiation in to the OTO (Ordo Templi Orientis) , The OTO was started by Karl Kellner and Theodore Reuss in 1902, but Alister Crowley "The wickedest man alive" is the man who really made it in to what it is today. The OTO is set up like the masons with rites and initiations, but it's what hardcore masons get in to and study the dark arts http://www.oto-uk.org/ have a look at what degrees 16 and 17 are.

You only need to scratch the suffice to see it's not a very nice organisation! and the list of celebrity's and people who have influence that are members is astonishing.

Hope this help's but like i said you really do have look in to your self.

Yes it's real and i could go on and on and on about it.
But it's so massively encompassing that the only way anyone can get any real grasp on it is to look in to it your self. I'd suggest by reading "Behold a pale horse" by Bill Cooper. I'll try and keep it small and sweet. (this is a football forum after all)

Here's the degrees of initiation in to the OTO (Ordo Templi Orientis) , The OTO was started by Karl Kellner and Theodore Reuss in 1902, but Alister Crowley "The wickedest man alive" is the man who really made it in to what it is today. The OTO is set up like the masons with rites and initiations, but it's what hardcore masons get in to and study the dark arts http://www.oto-uk.org/ have a look at what degrees 16 and 17 are.

You only need to scratch the suffice to see it's not a very nice organisation! and the list of celebrity's and people who have influence that are members is astonishing.

Hope this help's but like i said you really do have look in to your self.

How is OTO connected to Illuminati? Are they part of same orginasion or very Similar?

Yes it's real and i could go on and on and on about it.
But it's so massively encompassing that the only way anyone can get any real grasp on it is to look in to it your self. I'd suggest by reading "Behold a pale horse" by Bill Cooper. I'll try and keep it small and sweet. (this is a football forum after all)

Here's the degrees of initiation in to the OTO (Ordo Templi Orientis) , The OTO was started by Karl Kellner and Theodore Reuss in 1902, but Alister Crowley "The wickedest man alive" is the man who really made it in to what it is today. The OTO is set up like the masons with rites and initiations, but it's what hardcore masons get in to and study the dark arts http://www.oto-uk.org/membership have a look at what degrees 16 and 17 are.

You only need to scratch the suffice to see it's not a very nice organisation! and the list of celebrity's and people who have influence that are members is astonishing.

Hope this help's but like i said you really do have look in to your self.

The link on this one is better.

Some are getting way ahead of themselves in this thread. You need to learn to filter out the sensationalist rubbish. The Illuminati is obviously real. There's enough evidence brought together on Reddit and you'd see that it's definitely the case.

For me the food reveal is the worst. Tampering with the food supply of any being is a disgrace let alone fellow humans. Of course it can only go wrong.

People say that some changes are for the best like modern medicine but forget the vast amount of side effects that they produce as well. Hardly surprising that its going to have the same effect when pumping our food which we eat and digest with chemicals and so on is it?

Funny yet GM foods currently save hinder reds of thousands if not millions fin starvation worldwide. Some people need to get a better understanding of science before they jump to wild conclusions. Do you know how long it takes to get medicine or GM foods passed fit for human consumption? How scientists have to independtly verify that it poses little or no health risks. Scientific testing of medicine is now almost foolproof it could be argued that it holds progress back as such things as HIV have cures that have been found but are not yet available due to the testing procedures needed to check wether the medicine is safe or not what the long term health risks are etc.

Funny yet GM foods currently save hinder reds of thousands if not millions fin starvation worldwide. Some people need to get a better understanding of science before they jump to wild conclusions. Do you know how long it takes to get medicine or GM foods passed fit for human consumption? How scientists have to independtly verify that it poses little or no health risks. Scientific testing of medicine is now almost foolproof it could be argued that it holds progress back as such things as HIV have cures that have been found but are not yet available due to the testing procedures needed to check wether the medicine is safe or not what the long term health risks are etc.

How do you know the likes of AID's and cancer aren't caused by those very same GM foods? Its all good finding a cure but if you are responsible for the actual illnesses in the first place then its a bit wrong isn't it?

As for your notion on GM foods and medicines and the time it takes, of course people know how long but still there are plenty that get through. You also seem to think the testing happens over a prolonged period of years when in fact it doesn't. The long term effects of GM foods on the body with ever changing compounds is only just being understood.

I find it laughable that people accept the practice of foods being sprayed with stuff and injected with chemicals yet reject the notion that there is a chance they can cause severe illnesses. Put stuff in the body in mass amounts or that shouldn't be there and its of course going to cause issues.

There's a reason countries like Russia have already stopped working with companies like Monsanto.

Also, as someone who is studying in a scientific field I'd warn you to not place so much faith in the field of science. I've come to learn that quickly. There's only so much science can do because the knowledge isn't fully there. How can they claim there are no long term effects or anyone claim it when the human body and the genetic structure of it isn't even fully understood yet?

Not only does money, like any other industry, dictate what gets researched but it also twists peoples morals and just like statistics, which are more often than not the output of scientific research, they can be heavily worked into your favour to tell your own story. There are plenty of scientists on the pay roll who couldn't give a crap what happens behind closed doors as long as the suits who sign off their pay cheques continue to do so.

The same applies to the computer industry. There's a lot they could be doing to improve our lives on a technical level and take advancements forward but the market controls everything and if there's no profit to be made from it then it won't get signed off and invested in.

The problem with science is that the research is funded by research councils who are top heavy with industrialists with vested interests.

The problem with science is that the research is funded by research councils who are top heavy with industrialists with vested interests.

Spot on. As stated above, money dictates what is done and also can dictate the output.

I wonder if circus clowns are in the Illuminate, as they are also well known for having funny handshakes?

Yes it's real and i could go on and on and on about it.
But it's so massively encompassing that the only way anyone can get any real grasp on it is to look in to it your self. I'd suggest by reading "Behold a pale horse" by Bill Cooper. I'll try and keep it small and sweet. (this is a football forum after all)

Here's the degrees of initiation in to the OTO (Ordo Templi Orientis) , The OTO was started by Karl Kellner and Theodore Reuss in 1902, but Alister Crowley "The wickedest man alive" is the man who really made it in to what it is today. The OTO is set up like the masons with rites and initiations, but it's what hardcore masons get in to and study the dark arts http://www.oto-uk.org/membership have a look at what degrees 16 and 17 are.

You only need to scratch the suffice to see it's not a very nice organisation! and the list of celebrity's and people who have influence that are members is astonishing.

Hope this help's but like i said you really do have look in to your self.

The link on this one is better.

On behalf of us all, I clicked onto the OTO membership link and as a result, the OTO are very grateful for the forums offer of Roath Magic as a 'Virgo Intacta' for their ceremonies along with SL69 for their goat-buggering rituals. I'm also pleased to say that the OTO will then sacrifice them both to one of their head deity's, who by strange coincidence is called Obsessido Gayus Boyrattis. Which was nice.

Anyone heard of b.i.
very enlightening

Yes it's real and i could go on and on and on about it.
But it's so massively encompassing that the only way anyone can get any real grasp on it is to look in to it your self. I'd suggest by reading "Behold a pale horse" by Bill Cooper. I'll try and keep it small and sweet. (this is a football forum after all)

Here's the degrees of initiation in to the OTO (Ordo Templi Orientis) , The OTO was started by Karl Kellner and Theodore Reuss in 1902, but Alister Crowley "The wickedest man alive" is the man who really made it in to what it is today. The OTO is set up like the masons with rites and initiations, but it's what hardcore masons get in to and study the dark arts http://www.oto-uk.org/membership have a look at what degrees 16 and 17 are.

You only need to scratch the suffice to see it's not a very nice organisation! and the list of celebrity's and people who have influence that are members is astonishing.

Hope this help's but like i said you really do have look in to your self.

The link on this one is better.

On behalf of us all, I clicked onto the OTO membership link and as a result, the OTO are very grateful for the forums offer of Roath Magic as a 'Virgo Intacta' for their ceremonies along with SL69 for their goat-buggering rituals. I'm also pleased to say that the OTO will then sacrifice them both to one of their head deity's, who by strange coincidence is called Obsessido Gayus Boyrattis. Which was nice.

Well i'm just happy that you've made a post that doesn't include the words Clacka,Clunge or Busting someone's back door's in!
I think this might be a real step forward for you.

i think disney must be brainwashing cos i never let my kids watch any of it and now they are radical and into all this shit

Yes it's real and i could go on and on and on about it.
But it's so massively encompassing that the only way anyone can get any real grasp on it is to look in to it your self. I'd suggest by reading "Behold a pale horse" by Bill Cooper. I'll try and keep it small and sweet. (this is a football forum after all)

Here's the degrees of initiation in to the OTO (Ordo Templi Orientis) , The OTO was started by Karl Kellner and Theodore Reuss in 1902, but Alister Crowley "The wickedest man alive" is the man who really made it in to what it is today. The OTO is set up like the masons with rites and initiations, but it's what hardcore masons get in to and study the dark arts http://www.oto-uk.org/membership have a look at what degrees 16 and 17 are.

You only need to scratch the suffice to see it's not a very nice organisation! and the list of celebrity's and people who have influence that are members is astonishing.

Hope this help's but like i said you really do have look in to your self.

The link on this one is better.

On behalf of us all, I clicked onto the OTO membership link and as a result, the OTO are very grateful for the forums offer of Roath Magic as a 'Virgo Intacta' for their ceremonies along with SL69 for their goat-buggering rituals. I'm also pleased to say that the OTO will then sacrifice them both to one of their head deity's, who by strange coincidence is called Obsessido Gayus Boyrattis. Which was nice.

Well i'm just happy that you've made a post that doesn't include the words Clacka,Clunge or Busting someone's back door's in!
I think this might be a real step forward for you.

Satanism was a welcome diversion but as Susanna Reid will shortly be displaying her ample wares on Strictly Come Dancing, I fear I will regress to thoughts that involve me bumming her whilst Rachel Riley sucks on my ballsack as Carol Vorderman pisses all over us before we change partners. Then the 'Clackerdance Tango' really begins......

Course it's not the major powers of the world don't have to act in some secret group to control things it's pretty f*cking obvious how things work (pretty f*cking badly) leering from one crisis to another getting laws in place to stop the upper echelon of rich ever suffering. All pretty simple.

Still misinformed people will think Snowden or Chelsea Manning are great heroes while they listen to the Alex Jones show

I'd prefer to watch The One Show's Alex Jones 'Wiki Leaks'. Toilet cams are great but the lens often gets blurred as she has a fanny fart like a 650 Norton Commando.

I'd prefer to watch The One Show's Alex Jones 'Wiki Leaks'. Toilet cams are great but the lens often gets blurred as she has a fanny fart like a 650 Norton Commando.

illuminati typed backwards on google takes you directly to the official US NSA website. Ummmmm WTF!

Apparently, If you type 'Google' into 'Google' and set your microwave timer to reflect the date you want, you can become a time-traveller. Bet SL69 tries it and just ends up defrosting his brain.

Apparently, If you type 'Google' into 'Google' and set your microwave timer to reflect the date you want, you can become a time-traveller. Bet SL69 tries it and just ends up just defrosting his baby-brain.

illuminati typed backwards on google takes you directly to the official US NSA website. Ummmmm WTF!

All that is going on here is this: 2 guys bought the addresses, and then did a redirect for each domain. They simply made Itanimulli.us forward visitors to WhiteHouse.gov, and Itanimulli.com forward visitors to NSA.gov.

Funny yet GM foods currently save hinder reds of thousands if not millions fin starvation worldwide. Some people need to get a better understanding of science before they jump to wild conclusions. Do you know how long it takes to get medicine or GM foods passed fit for human consumption? How scientists have to independtly verify that it poses little or no health risks. Scientific testing of medicine is now almost foolproof it could be argued that it holds progress back as such things as HIV have cures that have been found but are not yet available due to the testing procedures needed to check wether the medicine is safe or not what the long term health risks are etc.

How do you know the likes of AID's and cancer aren't caused by those very same GM foods? Its all good finding a cure but if you are responsible for the actual illnesses in the first place then its a bit wrong isn't it?

As for your notion on GM foods and medicines and the time it takes, of course people know how long but still there are plenty that get through. You also seem to think the testing happens over a prolonged period of years when in fact it doesn't. The long term effects of GM foods on the body with ever changing compounds is only just being understood.

I find it laughable that people accept the practice of foods being sprayed with stuff and injected with chemicals yet reject the notion that there is a chance they can cause severe illnesses. Put stuff in the body in mass amounts or that shouldn't be there and its of course going to cause issues.

There's a reason countries like Russia have already stopped working with companies like Monsanto.

Also, as someone who is studying in a scientific field I'd warn you to not place so much faith in the field of science. I've come to learn that quickly. There's only so much science can do because the knowledge isn't fully there. How can they claim there are no long term effects or anyone claim it when the human body and the genetic structure of it isn't even fully understood yet?

Not only does money, like any other industry, dictate what gets researched but it also twists peoples morals and just like statistics, which are more often than not the output of scientific research, they can be heavily worked into your favour to tell your own story. There are plenty of scientists on the pay roll who couldn't give a crap what happens behind closed doors as long as the suits who sign off their pay cheques continue to do so.

The same applies to the computer industry. There's a lot they could be doing to improve our lives on a technical level and take advancements forward but the market controls everything and if there's no profit to be made from it then it won't get signed off and invested in.

I'm pretty sure Aids/HIV & cancer have been around alot longer than GM technology for it to cause them. Flawed!

As for the rest it's quite simple. If someone told you the same story a 1000 times you will believe it eventually. Whether it be the bible, or thousands of people online assuming they have uncovered the true nature of how human society functions.

Both parties here can find evidence to support their argument. It's a fact that if you are commited to proving a belief you are already 90% on your way to findin it. Poeple see what they want to see, especially if they can use to suit their agenda.

Either way I ain't bothered. Right now I have my family, my occupation and the knowledge to protect them and I'm more than content.

*Disclaimer. This is my opinion and I'm entitled to it. Responses will be acknowledged/read but probably disregarded Bluebirds!!

illuminati typed backwards on google takes you directly to the official US NSA website. Ummmmm WTF!

All that is going on here is this: 2 guys bought the addresses, and then did a redirect for each domain. They simply made Itanimulli.us forward visitors to WhiteHouse.gov, and Itanimulli.com forward visitors to NSA.gov.

Highly likely mate. All about agenda.

Some are getting way ahead of themselves in this thread. You need to learn to filter out the sensationalist rubbish. The Illuminati is obviously real. There's enough evidence brought together on Reddit and you'd see that it's definitely the case.

For me the food reveal is the worst. Tampering with the food supply of any being is a disgrace let alone fellow humans. Of course it can only go wrong.

People say that some changes are for the best like modern medicine but forget the vast amount of side effects that they produce as well. Hardly surprising that its going to have the same effect when pumping our food which we eat and digest with chemicals and so on is it?

Funny yet GM foods currently save hinder reds of thousands if not millions fin starvation worldwide. Some people need to get a better understanding of science before they jump to wild conclusions. Do you know how long it takes to get medicine or GM foods passed fit for human consumption? How scientists have to independtly verify that it poses little or no health risks. Scientific testing of medicine is now almost foolproof it could be argued that it holds progress back as such things as HIV have cures that have been found but are not yet available due to the testing procedures needed to check wether the medicine is safe or not what the long term health risks are etc.

Medicine is not fool proof Do you remember those human gunea pigs about 4 years ago, i think they were students being paid to test a new drug, their faces swelled out of all proportion and atleast one of them died. we have checks and balances for a reasonm, all medicine has an unknown risk or benefit. for instance viagra was first marketed as a heart or migraine tablet. nobody even knew it's effects on male erection.

I'm pretty sure Aids/HIV & cancer have been around alot longer than GM technology for it to cause them. Flawed!

I wasn't specifically talking about that but scientific intervention thats interrupting with our medicine, food chain etc.

Genetic analysis pushes the estimated origin of HIV back to between 1884 and 1924, with a more focused estimate at 1908.

Modern medicine has been around longer than that. I strongly believe HIV/AID's is man made and was introduced during testing to try and cure something else. Bio engineering is very dangerous field and as you say tech wasn't as advanced then so the likelihood of an error is high.

Could now be the reason they test on animals and not humans.

Cant believe how paranoid and insecure some of you lot are haha, it is simple as this, David Icke is a lizard, the queen has grey pubes, there is no illuminati, the world is corrupt, we're all poor and Alex Jones is a fat c**t well due a fatal heart attack

illuminati typed backwards on google takes you directly to the official US NSA website. Ummmmm WTF!

All that is going on here is this: 2 guys bought the addresses, and then did a redirect for each domain. They simply made Itanimulli.us forward visitors to WhiteHouse.gov, and Itanimulli.com forward visitors to NSA.gov.

Highly likely mate. All about agenda.

I did a whois on the addresses and they are both owned by the same person.