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Craig Bellamy and Helguson

Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:48 pm

i always try to be as positive as i possibly can about anyone wearing a City shirt but i got to admit i was lost for words with Bellamy's contribution today.

This attitude that he has to take everything like he is in the under 10's is ridiculous! There were two free kicks that were made for a left footer today and in whitts we have the best dead ball specialist in the league and bellamy ended up taking them, then bizarrely there was a free kick on the other side and whitts took it! i hope malky has a word in the changing room cos it's shit like this that cost teams.

I also cant believe that we played him in the hole today. For all bellers qualities, i gotta say drifting into holes between the midfield and forwards and pick out denfence splitting passes isnt one of them.

It was clearly evident to me today how much we rely on craig noone. Without him we tend to lack a cutting edge to open teams up and this needs to be addressed in january. (for the record i believe it will be addressed)


Secondly onto helguson. I feel a bit bad saying this cos the guy is clearly a warrior and has a superb attitude and can definitely offer us something this season (and has done) but i can't help thinking that our game suffers due to his lack of mobility. I am devastated about the loss of maynard and believe we'd be 10 points clear if he didn't get injured but the guy needs to be replaced as soon as the window opens otherwise i believe these things may catch us out in the long run.

sorry to be so negative after another important 3 points but this things are standing out a mile to me. On a positive note, good to see taylor have his best game for ages and conway putting an incredible shift in. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: Craig Bellamy and Helguson

Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:07 pm

I agree with both points regarding the game today. Both players have made and will continue to make a huge contribution this season, but I don't think anyone really played well for us today apart from Conway, who was man of the match by a mile imo. I was completely blown away by Bellamy's attitude today, he contributed very little and didn't seem willing to fight and battle. I cannot get over the contrast between Bellamy's effort today and the Hull game where Bellamy ran and chased everything, effectively doing the work of 3 players.

Helguson was totally ineffective today but that was because he was up against 2 towering centre backs and we kept playing long balls to him. Today, Helguson didn't get much joy but I will never criticise his attitude and work rate. I thought Sidibe dominated Turner and Hudson in the air before he went off too. Sheffield Wednesday were just a big, physical side, they weren't a very good team but they made it difficult for us to break them down and this led to a very poor game of football. But we pinched a goal and managed to keep another clean sheet at home, and picking up scrappy wins like this when we don't play well will make a huge difference to where we finish in the table.

Re: Craig Bellamy and Helguson

Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:37 pm

Interesting observation by Kevin Radcliffe he said bellers wanted to be involved all the time instead of taking back seat at times, other players were to afraid not to pass to him! At deprerment of team!

Re: Craig Bellamy and Helguson

Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:46 pm

Liked Mutch today, takes some of the pressure off Whitts so he doesn't have to do everything in midfield. Need to push Whitts up though as they both ended up a bit deep at times.

Re: Craig Bellamy and Helguson

Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:46 pm

Liked Mutch today, takes some of the pressure off Whitts so he doesn't have to do everything in midfield. Need to push Whitts up though as they both ended up a bit deep at times.

Re: Craig Bellamy and Helguson

Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:47 pm

Helguson still worked hard and had 2 decent chances to score today though!

Re: Craig Bellamy and Helguson

Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:58 pm

pembroke allan wrote:Interesting observation by Kevin Radcliffe he said bellers wanted to be involved all the time instead of taking back seat at times, other players were to afraid not to pass to him! At deprerment of team!


That's interesting. It seemed Bellamy took a back seat all game to me today. He didn't seem to try at all. Granted, it wasn't his sort of game with no space in behind the defence, but Mason did far more running around than Bellamy when he came on hassling the defenders, making runs down the channels etc. The first time Bellamy got the ball today, he knocked it past their defender and beat him before crossing, I thought that would be a sign of things to come, but Bellamy fizzled out and didn't look a threat at all today.

Re: Craig Bellamy and Helguson

Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:58 pm

thehumblegringo wrote:i always try to be as positive as i possibly can about anyone wearing a City shirt but i got to admit i was lost for words with Bellamy's contribution today.

This attitude that he has to take everything like he is in the under 10's is ridiculous! There were two free kicks that were made for a left footer today and in whitts we have the best dead ball specialist in the league and bellamy ended up taking them, then bizarrely there was a free kick on the other side and whitts took it! i hope malky has a word in the changing room cos it's shit like this that cost teams.

I also cant believe that we played him in the hole today. For all bellers qualities, i gotta say drifting into holes between the midfield and forwards and pick out denfence splitting passes isnt one of them.

It was clearly evident to me today how much we rely on craig noone. Without him we tend to lack a cutting edge to open teams up and this needs to be addressed in january. (for the record i believe it will be addressed)


Secondly onto helguson. I feel a bit bad saying this cos the guy is clearly a warrior and has a superb attitude and can definitely offer us something this season (and has done) but i can't help thinking that our game suffers due to his lack of mobility. I am devastated about the loss of maynard and believe we'd be 10 points clear if he didn't get injured but the guy needs to be replaced as soon as the window opens otherwise i believe these things may catch us out in the long run.

sorry to be so negative after another important 3 points but this things are standing out a mile to me. On a positive note, good to see taylor have his best game for ages and conway putting an incredible shift in. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


I didnt want us to sign Bellamy his attitude is against our way of playing

Re: Craig Bellamy and Helguson

Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:29 pm

thehumblegringo wrote:i always try to be as positive as i possibly can about anyone wearing a City shirt but i got to admit i was lost for words with Bellamy's contribution today.

This attitude that he has to take everything like he is in the under 10's is ridiculous! There were two free kicks that were made for a left footer today and in whitts we have the best dead ball specialist in the league and bellamy ended up taking them, then bizarrely there was a free kick on the other side and whitts took it! i hope malky has a word in the changing room cos it's shit like this that cost teams.

I also cant believe that we played him in the hole today. For all bellers qualities, i gotta say drifting into holes between the midfield and forwards and pick out denfence splitting passes isnt one of them.

It was clearly evident to me today how much we rely on craig noone. Without him we tend to lack a cutting edge to open teams up and this needs to be addressed in january. (for the record i believe it will be addressed)


Secondly onto helguson. I feel a bit bad saying this cos the guy is clearly a warrior and has a superb attitude and can definitely offer us something this season (and has done) but i can't help thinking that our game suffers due to his lack of mobility. I am devastated about the loss of maynard and believe we'd be 10 points clear if he didn't get injured but the guy needs to be replaced as soon as the window opens otherwise i believe these things may catch us out in the long run.

sorry to be so negative after another important 3 points but this things are standing out a mile to me. On a positive note, good to see taylor have his best game for ages and conway putting an incredible shift in. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Good post. The free-kick stuff puzzled me as well. And that their walls always seemed to be a couple of yards short of the full ten yards that is supposed to be between the ball and the wall.

Noone will be back on Friday night, so it's only one game he's missed. I'm not overly concerned about getting another winger in January. Maybe another out-and-out one like Noone could be of use but I wouldn't say it's crucial. Getting another striker, either of Maynard's type or Helguson's type, is likely the priority for Malky. Losing Maynard was bad. I'm not sure as to whether we'd be 10 points clear had he not injured himself, but we'd probably have a slightly bigger margin at the top, I'm sure. Him and Helguson were a good partnership (i.e. target man alongside a poacher-type player), and Bellamy looked like the perfect replacement for Maynard, but any kind of partnership with Helguson has been hit and miss so far.

Re: Craig Bellamy and Helguson

Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:55 pm

They had 1 great little link up play in the second half.

Re: Craig Bellamy and Helguson

Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:12 pm

Pretty much all the set plays today were poor.

For our usual high standards, free kicks and corners were poor.

Re: Craig Bellamy and Helguson

Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:56 am

Barry Chuckle wrote:Pretty much all the set plays today were poor.

For our usual high standards, free kicks and corners were poor.


Agree with this, hardly cleared the first man at corners or free kicks. One of those days that's all

Re: Craig Bellamy and Helguson

Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:22 am

Carpe Diem wrote:
Barry Chuckle wrote:Pretty much all the set plays today were poor.

For our usual high standards, free kicks and corners were poor.


Agree with this, hardly cleared the first man at corners or free kicks. One of those days that's all


also what got take in consideration 8/9 of their players were 6ft+ add parking the bus aswell, it was nearly immpossible to have any sort of cohesion playing :roll:

Re: Craig Bellamy and Helguson

Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:26 am

Bellars is 100% cardiff,didnt have a great one today but thats football.Was really looking forward to maynard being our number one striker before injury,my choice now in the jan window would be danny graham from the jacks -top championship striker & well knownj to malky from watford days

Re: Craig Bellamy and Helguson

Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:22 am

Cwmann_Bluebird wrote:
thehumblegringo wrote:i always try to be as positive as i possibly can about anyone wearing a City shirt but i got to admit i was lost for words with Bellamy's contribution today.

This attitude that he has to take everything like he is in the under 10's is ridiculous! There were two free kicks that were made for a left footer today and in whitts we have the best dead ball specialist in the league and bellamy ended up taking them, then bizarrely there was a free kick on the other side and whitts took it! i hope malky has a word in the changing room cos it's shit like this that cost teams.

I also cant believe that we played him in the hole today. For all bellers qualities, i gotta say drifting into holes between the midfield and forwards and pick out denfence splitting passes isnt one of them.

It was clearly evident to me today how much we rely on craig noone. Without him we tend to lack a cutting edge to open teams up and this needs to be addressed in january. (for the record i believe it will be addressed)


Secondly onto helguson. I feel a bit bad saying this cos the guy is clearly a warrior and has a superb attitude and can definitely offer us something this season (and has done) but i can't help thinking that our game suffers due to his lack of mobility. I am devastated about the loss of maynard and believe we'd be 10 points clear if he didn't get injured but the guy needs to be replaced as soon as the window opens otherwise i believe these things may catch us out in the long run.

sorry to be so negative after another important 3 points but this things are standing out a mile to me. On a positive note, good to see taylor have his best game for ages and conway putting an incredible shift in. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Good post. The free-kick stuff puzzled me as well. And that their walls always seemed to be a couple of yards short of the full ten yards that is supposed to be between the ball and the wall.

Noone will be back on Friday night, so it's only one game he's missed. I'm not overly concerned about getting another winger in January. Maybe another out-and-out one like Noone could be of use but I wouldn't say it's crucial. Getting another striker, either of Maynard's type or Helguson's type, is likely the priority for Malky. Losing Maynard was bad. I'm not sure as to whether we'd be 10 points clear had he not injured himself, but we'd probably have a slightly bigger margin at the top, I'm sure. Him and Helguson were a good partnership (i.e. target man alongside a poacher-type player), and Bellamy looked like the perfect replacement for Maynard, but any kind of partnership with Helguson has been hit and miss so far.



Maynard proved at Bristol that he could play alone up top and would give you plenty of movement doing so. At the moment we just dont seem to carry a threat up top and the midfielders dont have nobody to aim at. It improved a bit when Mason came on as he makes some clever runs but i think malky will go all out for Danny Graham in January. I'm not 100% sure cos it was a long time ago but I'm sure when watford destroyed us at vicararge rd when malky was in charge of them, graham was up top alone and buckley was wide right and sordell on the left. He's a proven scorer, played alone with little service for the jacks yet still scored 15 for the jacks last year.

I really think a winger is essential too. It's fine when Noone is playing but when teams come and defend at the CCS and Noone isn't playing we look void of ideas and extremely short of pace in attacking areas. Another rapid winger would offer us another dimension. Bellamy could be the answer but his form is too erratic. Against Brum and Blackpool the guy was absolutely superb but besides those two games he hasn't done anything this season in my opinion. :ayatollah:

Re: Craig Bellamy and Helguson

Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:21 am

It was never going to be champagne stuff yesterday and I think in previous years we would probably have drawn this game or even lost it by the odd goal.

Re: Craig Bellamy and Helguson

Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:52 am

Barry Chuckle wrote:Pretty much all the set plays today were poor.

For our usual high standards, free kicks and corners were poor.


Malky will address this before Friday, :ayatollah: :ayatollah: