CHILD MOLESTERS!!!

death penalty no..... but we def need to look at the prison system....

its a f*cking holiday camp for some, who when they are released prefer to re offend to go back in.. they learn trades, get paid for taking part in activities as well as luxuries like games consoles, tv, pool tables etc...

if jail was a shit hole room with no window and nothing else and a proper punishment then im sure some would think twice about commiting crime..

although you make a good point. i dont think it applies to people who commit crimes against kids.

no it doesnt really, but even people like ian huntley are getting special treatment and moved from prison to prison, all be it supposidly high security, he still has full protection, his own cell, his own things and privileges... the prison system is far too soft across all levels of crime..and look what happened to his partner, moved abroad somewhere, new identity, new life!! all wrong...

now hang on a minute, his partner didnt do anything wrong did she? if so then of course she should be given that, bad enough she has to live with what happened, even worse having idiots having a go at you for it.

death penalty no..... but we def need to look at the prison system....

its a f*cking holiday camp for some, who when they are released prefer to re offend to go back in.. they learn trades, get paid for taking part in activities as well as luxuries like games consoles, tv, pool tables etc...

if jail was a shit hole room with no window and nothing else and a proper punishment then im sure some would think twice about commiting crime..

although you make a good point. i dont think it applies to people who commit crimes against kids.

no it doesnt really, but even people like ian huntley are getting special treatment and moved from prison to prison, all be it supposidly high security, he still has full protection, his own cell, his own things and privileges... the prison system is far too soft across all levels of crime..and look what happened to his partner, moved abroad somewhere, new identity, new life!! all wrong...

now hang on a minute, his partner didnt do anything wrong did she? if so then of course she should be given that, bad enough she has to live with what happened, even worse having idiots having a go at you for it.

maxine carr knew what was going on and even covered up for him by providing a false alibi, Carr served 21 months in jail for providing Huntley with a false alibi after he murdered Holly and Jessica, both ten, in 2002.
On her release she became one of just four former UK prisoners to be given secret identities, along with child killer Mary Bell and James Bulger’s murderers Robert Thompson and Jon Venables. Police protection and a new identity for Carr are thought to have cost the taxpayer millions! again this is wrong!

death penalty no..... but we def need to look at the prison system....

its a f*cking holiday camp for some, who when they are released prefer to re offend to go back in.. they learn trades, get paid for taking part in activities as well as luxuries like games consoles, tv, pool tables etc...

if jail was a shit hole room with no window and nothing else and a proper punishment then im sure some would think twice about commiting crime..

although you make a good point. i dont think it applies to people who commit crimes against kids.

no it doesnt really, but even people like ian huntley are getting special treatment and moved from prison to prison, all be it supposidly high security, he still has full protection, his own cell, his own things and privileges... the prison system is far too soft across all levels of crime..and look what happened to his partner, moved abroad somewhere, new identity, new life!! all wrong...

now hang on a minute, his partner didnt do anything wrong did she? if so then of course she should be given that, bad enough she has to live with what happened, even worse having idiots having a go at you for it.

maxine carr knew what was going on and even covered up for him by providing a false alibi, Carr served 21 months in jail for providing Huntley with a false alibi after he murdered Holly and Jessica, both ten, in 2002.
On her release she became one of just four former UK prisoners to be given secret identities, along with child killer Mary Bell and James Bulger’s murderers Robert Thompson and Jon Venables. Police protection and a new identity for Carr are thought to have cost the taxpayer millions! again this is wrong!

ah right, i remmeber now, having said that providing a false alibi for someone she loved, sounds silly to say it now but it doesnt mean she knew what he had really done, people do silly things when in love. Or she may have known, i dont know just speculating.

death penalty no..... but we def need to look at the prison system....

its a f*cking holiday camp for some, who when they are released prefer to re offend to go back in.. they learn trades, get paid for taking part in activities as well as luxuries like games consoles, tv, pool tables etc...

if jail was a shit hole room with no window and nothing else and a proper punishment then im sure some would think twice about commiting crime..

although you make a good point. i dont think it applies to people who commit crimes against kids.

no it doesnt really, but even people like ian huntley are getting special treatment and moved from prison to prison, all be it supposidly high security, he still has full protection, his own cell, his own things and privileges... the prison system is far too soft across all levels of crime..and look what happened to his partner, moved abroad somewhere, new identity, new life!! all wrong...

now hang on a minute, his partner didnt do anything wrong did she? if so then of course she should be given that, bad enough she has to live with what happened, even worse having idiots having a go at you for it.

maxine carr knew what was going on and even covered up for him by providing a false alibi, Carr served 21 months in jail for providing Huntley with a false alibi after he murdered Holly and Jessica, both ten, in 2002.
On her release she became one of just four former UK prisoners to be given secret identities, along with child killer Mary Bell and James Bulger’s murderers Robert Thompson and Jon Venables. Police protection and a new identity for Carr are thought to have cost the taxpayer millions! again this is wrong!

ah right, i remmeber now, having said that providing a false alibi for someone she loved, sounds silly to say it now but it doesnt mean she knew what he had really done, people do silly things when in love. Or she may have known, i dont know just speculating.

i was mainly just using them as examples of how we treat those like huntley etc.. not with the punishment they really deserve!

Is there anyone on the board who wouldnt give them the death penalty
if the option was available?

Sexual predators who kill children should hang if proven without doubt, like ian huntley, roy whiting etc, scum like that are beyond repair. Letting them relive there sexual fantasies everyday in prison is an insult to the families of the children they have killed. Paedophiles who don't go that far but download child porn off the net, or moelest a child should be chemically castrated before they are ever considered for release. Kill off all there sex drive by castrating them, by doing so you take away the threat they posed to children, they do it in some american states, its proven highly effective. Over there. Just like you cut a dogs balls off to take away there sex drive. Cut a pedophiles balls off and neutralise the threat he poses when realeased! Same applies to rapists

No response?

What would you suggest? Move house? Leave the country? Lock your kids away? Never let them outside?

The reality is child sex offenders are released regularly and could easily move next door to you without hassle. As I suggested, if deemed to pose a reasonable threat to society, they should be monitored after their release and exposed to tighter regulations on where they can go and what they can do.

Of course this isn't good enough for you, as they won't be hanging from a noose. Well I like to think that our society has evolved from the days of state execution; so you can keep your hypothetical archaisms to yourself.

One day, if you have children, and a cured Child Molester assaults one of them. I hope
you can turn round to your kids and say "well Daddy knew he was a bad man, but he
deserved a chance!"

No response?

What would you suggest? Move house? Leave the country? Lock your kids away? Never let them outside?

The reality is child sex offenders are released regularly and could easily move next door to you without hassle. As I suggested, if deemed to pose a reasonable threat to society, they should be monitored after their release and exposed to tighter regulations on where they can go and what they can do.

Of course this isn't good enough for you, as they won't be hanging from a noose. Well I like to think that our society has evolved from the days of state execution; so you can keep your hypothetical archaisms to yourself.

One day, if you have children, and a cured Child Molester assaults one of them. I hope
you can turn round to your kids and say "well Daddy knew he was a bad man, but he
deserved a chance!"

You could say that about anyone reoffending, no matter the crime. If you had your way everyone convicted of a crime should be hanged incase they do it again. Being held at gun point while your house or company is being robbed, or beaten up badly can have just as negative an effect on someone as being touched inappropriately as a child - should they all be murdered by the state too?

I think you are getting too emotionally involved by asking people to think if it happened to their kids as many would want to kill someone that merely gave then a clip around the ear. The fact is state murder was abolished for a reason and rightly so. The state has no right to murder as much as the murderers themselves.

Why the hell are we discussing this on a football forum anyway?

No response?

What would you suggest? Move house? Leave the country? Lock your kids away? Never let them outside?

The reality is child sex offenders are released regularly and could easily move next door to you without hassle. As I suggested, if deemed to pose a reasonable threat to society, they should be monitored after their release and exposed to tighter regulations on where they can go and what they can do.

Of course this isn't good enough for you, as they won't be hanging from a noose. Well I like to think that our society has evolved from the days of state execution; so you can keep your hypothetical archaisms to yourself.

One day, if you have children, and a cured Child Molester assaults one of them. I hope
you can turn round to your kids and say "well Daddy knew he was a bad man, but he
deserved a chance!"

You could say that about anyone reoffending, no matter the crime. If you had your way everyone convicted of a crime should be hanged incase they do it again. Being held at gun point while your house or company is being robbed, or beaten up badly can have just as negative an effect on someone as being touched inappropriately as a child - should they all be murdered by the state too?

I think you are getting too emotionally involved by asking people to think if it happened to their kids as many would want to kill someone that merely gave then a clip around the ear. The fact is state murder was abolished for a reason and rightly so. The state has no right to murder as much as the murderers themselves.

Why the hell are we discussing this on a football forum anyway?

Not one reference through this thread suggests I'd hang a burglar or a robber.

However. 'Touched inappropriately'??

I was talking about the rape and murder of children. Emotive subject. You tone it down all
you like pal. But they are sick fucks. Do you think they deserve a 'second chance'... even though
this second chance (in their eyes) might mean another crack at a child. God help us with the
'give a guy a break' brigade fighting for paedophiles!

You never mentioned killing children, you said child molestation and have clearly used the word "assault" - it's quite different and carries differing sentences, which it does.

Your argument against ooohgahh's post was that the child molester should be hung incase he does it again. I simply said that ere are many crimes that can affect people just as much as being touched inappropriately (child molestation) such as armed robbery, serious assault etc which means to stop them doing it again they would also have to be hung no?

Murder is a crime and the only crime which could be argued deserves a punishment of death, that's not just to a child but to anyone. A child's life is worth no more than an adults. However I'd still say no and wouldn't want blood on my hands by agreeing to bring back the death penalty no matter how vile the perpetrator. I'd like to think ourhumane nature is what sets us apart in the first place, to then murder a murderer makes you.... A murderer.

You never mentioned killing children, you said child molestation and have clearly used the word "assault" - it's quite different and carries differing sentences, which it does.

Your argument against ooohgahh's post was that the child molester should be hung incase he does it again. I simply said that ere are many crimes that can affect people just as much as being touched inappropriately (child molestation) such as armed robbery, serious assault etc which means to stop them doing it again they would also have to be hung no?

Murder is a crime and the only crime which could be argued deserves a punishment of death, that's not just to a child but to anyone. A child's life is worth no more than an adults. However I'd still say no and wouldn't want blood on my hands by agreeing to bring back the death penalty no matter how vile the perpetrator. I'd like to think ourhumane nature is what sets us apart in the first place, to then murder a murderer makes you.... A murderer.

YOUR humane nature clearly means you'd put up with a convicted child molester living next
door to you, because he's served his sentence and is deemed fit to rejoin society. Seriously...
I'm glad your not my Dad

I wouldn't be happy about it, nor would I if I lived next door to a convicted armed robber or drug dealer. But as I've said I don't think all criminals should be murdered incase they re-offend.

You never mentioned killing children, you said child molestation and have clearly used the word "assault" - it's quite different and carries differing sentences, which it does.

Your argument against ooohgahh's post was that the child molester should be hung incase he does it again. I simply said that ere are many crimes that can affect people just as much as being touched inappropriately (child molestation) such as armed robbery, serious assault etc which means to stop them doing it again they would also have to be hung no?

Murder is a crime and the only crime which could be argued deserves a punishment of death, that's not just to a child but to anyone. A child's life is worth no more than an adults. However I'd still say no and wouldn't want blood on my hands by agreeing to bring back the death penalty no matter how vile the perpetrator. I'd like to think ourhumane nature is what sets us apart in the first place, to then murder a murderer makes you.... A murderer.

YOUR humane nature clearly means you'd put up with a convicted child molester living next
door to you, because he's served his sentence and is deemed fit to rejoin society. Seriously...
I'm glad your not my Dad

Hey Taffy mate, he reminds me of Monty Python.
"Do you want a five minute argument or the full half hour?"
He will draw it out and state his piece about 500 times then move on to something else. (usually about our debt/crowds/ or how good the jacks are at everything.
Have fun!

I have no idea what you are talking about there, why do you see debate or discussion as an argument?

He thinks certain criminals should me murdered by the state, I hold the majority opinion that they shouldn't and have put my reasons for that down, what's your problem?

You never mentioned killing children, you said child molestation and have clearly used the word "assault" - it's quite different and carries differing sentences, which it does.

Your argument against ooohgahh's post was that the child molester should be hung incase he does it again. I simply said that ere are many crimes that can affect people just as much as being touched inappropriately (child molestation) such as armed robbery, serious assault etc which means to stop them doing it again they would also have to be hung no?

Murder is a crime and the only crime which could be argued deserves a punishment of death, that's not just to a child but to anyone. A child's life is worth no more than an adults. However I'd still say no and wouldn't want blood on my hands by agreeing to bring back the death penalty no matter how vile the perpetrator. I'd like to think ourhumane nature is what sets us apart in the first place, to then murder a murderer makes you.... A murderer.

YOUR humane nature clearly means you'd put up with a convicted child molester living next
door to you, because he's served his sentence and is deemed fit to rejoin society. Seriously...
I'm glad your not my Dad

Hey Taffy mate, he reminds me of Monty Python.
"Do you want a five minute argument or the full half hour?"
He will draw it out and state his piece about 500 times then move on to something else. (usually about our debt/crowds/ or how good the jacks are at everything.
Have fun!

OH I KNOW. BOT AND BIT????

Bit 'Roathy' for me so i'm gone now and both these logins are on ignore

If you didnt want anyone to disagree with you then why would you out your view up in the first place, especially a minority opinion at that? Weird.