Wales independence?

And you do know that all polls have the Scots saying 'no' in 2014?

What was the point in voting the SNP in then?

Actually, any fool could make wales a success on its own. Just reduce the corporation tax to 0% and watch the businesses flood in from England and Ireland. Bingo.

The taxes raised from the people who work for them would more than balance the public coffers. As someone else pointed out, we would only have to pay for 2 million people. No army or foreign wars to bankroll either.

It's 3 million for starters but I imagine a million people would pack up and leave for England if we did become independent. You put forward and excellent idea but then ignore the fact that in many parts of Wales having a job is seen as being against the norm, we breed lazy bastards who just want to sit on their arse all day complaining Thatcher stole their jobs.

The nazis in this country have no idea about facts though, they seem to think having whole communities scrounging of the UK government, more people working in the Public sector than out of it and having a bunch of second rate "Politicians" in charge of us is a ripe moment for independence. We don't have nearly enough tax payers to fund it all.

Our young people will leave because our universities will be ran into the ground or their simply won't be enough jobs for them. Out old people will perish in the cold as the gas bills will rocket. The inbred gogs who will vote for this will demand North Wales become independant as their hatred and inferiority complex towards England will transfer to the South. Wales isn't any different to Yorkshire or Somerset.

Your racist and far right opinions make you the nazi my friend.

At least he aint got GOG in his user name Chuff

Who the f**k would pay for Merthyr?!

It'll never happen.

We've got f**k all to sell/trade.

Can't base an economy on call centres.

Who the f**k would pay for Merthyr?!

It'll never happen.

We've got f**k all to sell/trade.

Can't base an economy on call centres.

Don't come up with valid facts and queries, the Nationalists do not deal in that currency.

Its guaranteed to happen and more a case of when not if. Then it'll be the end of the 'English Empire' ….apart from those numptees in Northern Ireland of course.

Roll on full Independence for Scotland and Wales ………asap.

Tell me how? Tell my how we will afford it? Tell me if we will still be able to rely on the English taxpayer who even now are subsidizing us? Finally, tell me what the f*cking hell is the point of it all?

I expect a wall of silence if not a good f*cking laugh.

If this is actually true (which is what you seem to believe) are you proud of that.....scrounging off your neighbour?

Its guaranteed to happen and more a case of when not if. Then it'll be the end of the 'English Empire' ….apart from those numptees in Northern Ireland of course.

Roll on full Independence for Scotland and Wales ………asap.

Tell me how? Tell my how we will afford it? Tell me if we will still be able to rely on the English taxpayer who even now are subsidizing us? Finally, tell me what the f*cking hell is the point of it all?

I expect a wall of silence if not a good f*cking laugh.

Well f*cking said mate They never answer and just simply reply how they hate english All we would do is go from scrounging off the English to scrounging off the EU and end up like Greece and Spain

Like scrounging off the English do you? Where's the pride?? No wonder the English have found us so easy to rule over for all this time....we've no pride in ourselves and no backbone.

Its guaranteed to happen and more a case of when not if. Then it'll be the end of the 'English Empire' ….apart from those numptees in Northern Ireland of course.

Roll on full Independence for Scotland and Wales ………asap.

Tell me how? Tell my how we will afford it? Tell me if we will still be able to rely on the English taxpayer who even now are subsidizing us? Finally, tell me what the f*cking hell is the point of it all?

I expect a wall of silence if not a good f*cking laugh.

Well f*cking said mate They never answer and just simply reply how they hate english All we would do is go from scrounging off the English to scrounging off the EU and end up like Greece and Spain

Like scrounging off the English do you? Where's the pride?? No wonder the English have found us so easy to rule over for all this time....we've no pride in ourselves and no backbone.

How is it scrounging? We're a union

And you do know that all polls have the Scots saying 'no' in 2014?

What was the point in voting the SNP in then?

SNP increase in votes was due to Labour losing a lot if it's voters.

So, no they didn't vote for SNP to win independence and the polls back that up.

Its guaranteed to happen and more a case of when not if. Then it'll be the end of the 'English Empire' ….apart from those numptees in Northern Ireland of course.

Roll on full Independence for Scotland and Wales ………asap.

Tell me how? Tell my how we will afford it? Tell me if we will still be able to rely on the English taxpayer who even now are subsidizing us? Finally, tell me what the f*cking hell is the point of it all?

I expect a wall of silence if not a good f*cking laugh.

Well f*cking said mate They never answer and just simply reply how they hate english All we would do is go from scrounging off the English to scrounging off the EU and end up like Greece and Spain

Like scrounging off the English do you? Where's the pride?? No wonder the English have found us so easy to rule over for all this time....we've no pride in ourselves and no backbone.

How is it scrounging? We're a union

Call it what you like.....we take their money yet we are still bottom of nearly every league and remain the poorest country in the UK. Not much of a union...more like master and slave! Where's the pride??

As Boris has said, it is not "Scrounging" we are all one country. You could say that shitholes with high unemployment and an abundance of dole bums are "Scrounging" off the rest of the country.

We currently have more money going out than we do coming in from the taxpayer and the shortfall is made up by English/Scottish taxpayers. Tell me, how will we make up this shortfall if we left the Union? Go on, give me your best idea?

England could never compete with us on a corporate tax basis because they have too much to pay for. That's why a separate Wales would be golden.

But, as 48 points out, you couldn't run the scheme with the current crop of fools in government, that's for sure. And the amateurs at Plaid Cymru are the least well equipped for anything but junkets and freebies.

Actually, any fool could make wales a success on its own. Just reduce the corporation tax to 0% and watch the businesses flood in from England and Ireland. Bingo.

The taxes raised from the people who work for them would more than balance the public coffers. As someone else pointed out, we would only have to pay for 2 million people. No army or foreign wars to bankroll either.

It's 3 million for starters but I imagine a million people would pack up and leave for England if we did become independent. You put forward and excellent idea but then ignore the fact that in many parts of Wales having a job is seen as being against the norm, we breed lazy bastards who just want to sit on their arse all day complaining Thatcher stole their jobs.

The nazis in this country have no idea about facts though, they seem to think having whole communities scrounging of the UK government, more people working in the Public sector than out of it and having a bunch of second rate "Politicians" in charge of us is a ripe moment for independence. We don't have nearly enough tax payers to fund it all.

Our young people will leave because our universities will be ran into the ground or their simply won't be enough jobs for them. Out old people will perish in the cold as the gas bills will rocket. The inbred gogs who will vote for this will demand North Wales become independant as their hatred and inferiority complex towards England will transfer to the South. Wales isn't any different to Yorkshire or Somerset.

Your racist and far right opinions make you the nazi my friend.

At least he aint got GOG in his user name Chuff

Don't like the truth?

Nukes has more or less summed up the feelings of the working class in the UK. We work, well I don't cos I fucked off, got on me bike when reasonable politicians gave the hint.

I love it when small minded one dimensional left wing thinkers come on this board. Nazi, left wing scum, National Socialist, yeh great, have yer Wales and shove it. The reasonable thinkers and workers have a more relaxed right wing attitude to life, we don't fight systems, people in boxes, fellow humans branded just because the may not have the same ideas. Equating nazi's and right wing is frankley quite shocking, left wing abhorrent scum, murdered a few million right wing type folk.

Uncle Joe, put his left wing nemisis to shame, 27 million!

England could never compete with us on a corporate tax basis because they have too much to pay for. That's why a separate Wales would be golden.

But, as 48 points out, you couldn't run the scheme with the current crop of fools in government, that's for sure. And the amateurs at Plaid Cymru are the least well equipped for anything but junkets and freebies.

Sorry mate but thats just plain naive-no reduction in corporate tax would persuade companies to set up here and employ us when they can move to asia and pay a bowl of rice a month as wages(exaggerated I know but you get my drift).

I think independence from Scotland is a good idea. Just to remind you independence from Great Britain not England but then if Scotland goes independent I'm sure our countries full title would change. South Britain and Northern Ireland I imagine. The future of England could be likely to split into regions anyway with regional assemblies. The North of England is way different to the South East as is the midlands and the South West. Then theres the little corner called Cornwall which claims to have as much right as Wales to be independent. So the evolution of Wales, will it continue? 1535-42 Wales created as a constitutional country, 1959 Wales gets a flag, 1971 Wales gets an official language recognised, 1998 Wales gets assembley.....So is full independence from the rest of Britain likley maybe.

But

I hope not as like the majority of Wales I have both Welsh and English blood in my veins, heck I even have Irish through Great Grand parents. I like it we can have banter the one minute then like the Olympics united the next. I actually like being British saves the confusion of being Welsh or English or half of each.

England could never compete with us on a corporate tax basis because they have too much to pay for. That's why a separate Wales would be golden.

But, as 48 points out, you couldn't run the scheme with the current crop of fools in government, that's for sure. And the amateurs at Plaid Cymru are the least well equipped for anything but junkets and freebies.

That doesn't make sense.

We have a tax shortfall and can afford to cut tax, but England can't?

England wouldn't have to cover our costs.

England are also pouring millions into a fast link rail.

What about our outdated rail links and airports.

You have to build them first before you can even think of inward investment coming in.

But you are spot on about Plaid.

Plaid would kill Wales.

High tax Plaid would kill any inward investment coming into Wales.

We don't need it and the majority would still vote against it in Wales.

Better off staying as the UK and I think the Scots will vote to stay British too.

The Scots will say no.

The SNP vote will return to Labour once they get their act together.

I will say that SNP are way above Plaid in terms of ability.

Plaid really are a bunch of fucktards.

The Scots will say no.

The SNP vote will return to Labour once they get their act together.

I will say that SNP are way above Plaid in terms of ability.

Plaid really are a bunch of fucktards.

Apart from Leanne Wood, who referred to the Queen as Mrs Windsor during a speech in the Assembly and got told off for it. That made me laugh.

The Scots will say no.

The SNP vote will return to Labour once they get their act together.

I will say that SNP are way above Plaid in terms of ability.

Plaid really are a bunch of fucktards.

Apart from Leanne Wood, who referred to the Queen as Mrs Windsor during a speech in the Assembly and got told off for it. That made me laugh.

About as exciting as it gets http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-lAHdp56WY

The Scots will say no.

The SNP vote will return to Labour once they get their act together.

I will say that SNP are way above Plaid in terms of ability.

Plaid really are a bunch of fucktards.

Apart from Leanne Wood, who referred to the Queen as Mrs Windsor during a speech in the Assembly and got told off for it. That made me laugh.

About as exciting as it gets http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-lAHdp56WY

Can't wait for the referendum!



Show everyone that nonsense and the whole nation will vote a big fat "NO" and we might even see the end of the Assembly!

If we got independence who is going to pay for it?

Does this mean Welsh people will start to go to work again?
Or will they continue to moan about Margaret Thatcher taking their jobs while the fat lazy bastards slump infront of the tele eating pizza/other takeaways (too lazy and thick to cook their own food)?

Where will the money come from to fund these scroungers?
We produce nothing apart from benefit scroungers and public service (non-productive jobs).
If you do not believe me take a walk around a Welsh town today and then reply to me.

I am born and bred in Wales, run my own business and have to listen to their bulls**t lies (my back is bad - yes, because your a fat w****r, that is why you have a bad back).

Thay say it is not their fault, but they have made themselves unemployabe by being fat. Laziness is not an illness, it is a state of mind.
I spoke to one this morning. Cannot work due to a bad back, but decorating the house. f****ing unbelievable.

Who will pay for our army? Or do you suggest we rely on the bravery of the French, Italians and Spanish for safety? God help us?
What about all our service personel who will suddenly be out of work, as I am sure we have a very high percentage of serving regular and reserve forces?

Who is going to run our country? Carwyn the caring? He couldn't run a car boot sale, (like the rest of the incompetent, sound bite politicians in Cardiff Bay). What business expeience (or even qualifications) have any of the 60 got?

We would become a one party socialist state (and what a state we would be). Scotland will be bankrupt within 2 years of independence. They say they have all this oil revenue, but it is running out, then what? Can we come back into the UK please?

Remember they will have a socialist government who only know one thing .... tax and spend. So they will tax the oil revenue very highly making it non competitive. If I was the English I would support new oil rigs and exploration, then transport it to (for example, Newcastle) and get oil and gas revenues that way. Expensive I know, but if there is so much oil and gas there, then worth it.

Need I go on as it is just a stupid unintelligent, out of date idea. Christ who rattled my cage this morning?
Anyway, the reason I came on here, anyone know if the Sheff Weds game is on tele? (Sunday 2nd DEc 1 pm kick off.

Agree.

Should never happen.

We would see the boarders flooded with people leaving to england.

We wouldnt have an armed forces. We would have to do what countries such as iceland and greenland do, and basically ask another country to supply there troops for us.

I for one wouldnt leave the RAF and join a Welsh forces.

We couldnt raise taxes to support our economy as who in the area has money to support a raised tax rate?

We would be the laughing stock of the world. We are already the laughing stock of the UK with residents who want to go it alone! How do we let these people even vote!

We need every penny we get from London and couldnt live without them! I for one would never step foot in wales if somehow it went alone!

Hmmm SNP let the Lockerbie bomber go free and then said to America we will do what we want who the f**k do they think they are ? Peter Whittingham !!

The irony is that if Wales ever does go it alone Plaid would be completely obsolete and continue to be a bunch of nutjobs banging on about the "Iaith". The Welsh labour party will dominate our politics here, no other party will come close. No one will vote Plaid because they are a bunch of dangerous, mindless neanderthals.

Also to the feckless gogs out there who will drive any vote for independence, how long is it before you want to break away from the South due to lack of funds because by f**k if you think your being hard done by now wait until we do go independent because the Welsh Assembley government will invest everything into the M4 corridor.

We should be looking into renewable energy forms and investing in those areas with the money we do have to make us a worthwhile place to invest. With initial investment there is attraction to make a return. More debt is the only answer in the short term and if that happened a lot of people calling for independence would be the first bunch screaming blue murder when they had to make sacrifices. Problem with today's society is people want something for nothing and they are no different.

The country has almost everything it needs to be a great independent nation. The only problem it has is the most important one and that is jobs.

How will it attract businesses?
How will it get more people employed?
How will it change the attitudes that people have towards employment?

The only way the above can be solved or dealt with is more initial debt and sacrifices. We would probably need a mass amount of loans to even get going. Then if that fails we're in a bigger mess than when we started.

Any nationalists want to answer these questions or are you all too busy singing Canon lan into your bowls of cawl?

The irony is that if Wales ever does go it alone Plaid would be completely obsolete and continue to be a bunch of nutjobs banging on about the "Iaith". The Welsh labour party will dominate our politics here, no other party will come close. No one will vote Plaid because they are a bunch of dangerous, mindless neanderthals.

Also to the feckless gogs out there who will drive any vote for independence, how long is it before you want to break away from the South due to lack of funds because by f**k if you think your being hard done by now wait until we do go independent because the Welsh Assembley government will invest everything into the M4 corridor.

Still at it! You are very sad!
You're probably quite right about the Labour dominance in any free Wales, but there will be one BIG difference. It will be a Welsh Labour Party independent of the London lot.
Your ignorance regarding anything north of Brecon amazes me. We are all one Nation, ONE WALES!
As for the language- More people speak Welsh in Cardiff than in Gwynedd FACT
Mr Bluebird since 1948 you are still stuck in the Wales you grew up in. The country has changed, open your eyes, go on dare you!

The irony is that if Wales ever does go it alone Plaid would be completely obsolete and continue to be a bunch of nutjobs banging on about the "Iaith". The Welsh labour party will dominate our politics here, no other party will come close. No one will vote Plaid because they are a bunch of dangerous, mindless neanderthals.

Also to the feckless gogs out there who will drive any vote for independence, how long is it before you want to break away from the South due to lack of funds because by f**k if you think your being hard done by now wait until we do go independent because the Welsh Assembley government will invest everything into the M4 corridor.

Still at it! You are very sad!
You're probably quite right about the Labour dominance in any free Wales, but there will be one BIG difference. It will be a Welsh Labour Party independent of the London lot.
Your ignorance regarding anything north of Brecon amazes me. We are all one Nation, ONE WALES!
As for the language- More people speak Welsh in Cardiff than in Gwynedd FACT
Mr Bluebird since 1948 you are still stuck in the Wales you grew up in. The country has changed, open your eyes, go on dare you!

One Wales for how long? I am not doubting we are all one Wales but the gogs seem to have separtism in their blood, they complain now that all the funds seem to go into the South of the country "Wheres our roads" "Wheres our airport" "Wheres our housing for Welsh speakers only". How long is it before you want to seperate. My point is we are not a united Wales, the cracks are there. I haven't even mentioned the vastly English rural mid wales.

Judging by the poll you lot have taken a pasting, we will never be an independent nation unless England get independence from us. As far as I can see they have a lot more to gain from cutting us loose than we do from them. I am still in the Wales I grew up in, the nationalists are still backward neanderthals they always have been devoid of facts and reasoning for their crackpot ideas.

Enjoy the football tomorrow, hoping for three points but Forest are a hard team to beat.

The irony is that if Wales ever does go it alone Plaid would be completely obsolete and continue to be a bunch of nutjobs banging on about the "Iaith". The Welsh labour party will dominate our politics here, no other party will come close. No one will vote Plaid because they are a bunch of dangerous, mindless neanderthals.

Also to the feckless gogs out there who will drive any vote for independence, how long is it before you want to break away from the South due to lack of funds because by f**k if you think your being hard done by now wait until we do go independent because the Welsh Assembley government will invest everything into the M4 corridor.

Still at it! You are very sad!
You're probably quite right about the Labour dominance in any free Wales, but there will be one BIG difference. It will be a Welsh Labour Party independent of the London lot.
Your ignorance regarding anything north of Brecon amazes me. We are all one Nation, ONE WALES!
As for the language- More people speak Welsh in Cardiff than in Gwynedd FACT
Mr Bluebird since 1948 you are still stuck in the Wales you grew up in. The country has changed, open your eyes, go on dare you!

One Wales for how long? I am not doubting we are all one Wales but the gogs seem to have separtism in their blood, they complain now that all the funds seem to go into the South of the country "Wheres our roads" "Wheres our airport" "Wheres our housing for Welsh speakers only". How long is it before you want to seperate. My point is we are not a united Wales, the cracks are there. I haven't even mentioned the vastly English rural mid wales.

Judging by the poll you lot have taken a pasting, we will never be an independent nation unless England get independence from us. As far as I can see they have a lot more to gain from cutting us loose than we do from them. I am still in the Wales I grew up in, the nationalists are still backward neanderthals they always have been devoid of facts and reasoning for their crackpot ideas.

Enjoy the football tomorrow, hoping for three points but Forest are a hard team to beat.

You go on about us gigs! you should remember that the first Plaid seat was in the south, the patriots who bombed Tryweryn were from Gwent and as far as I can see any revival of the language will come from the south as the revival of the language in Cardiff and the valleys over the last 20 years is quite astonishing.
Any way, we beg to differ on this one I imagine!
Three points tomorrow, I feel it in my north Walian bones!