Wales independence?

Should Wales go independent if Scotland did?

Its guaranteed to happen and more a case of when not if. Then it'll be the end of the 'English Empire' ….apart from those numptees in Northern Ireland of course.

Roll on full Independence for Scotland and Wales ………asap.

Its guaranteed to happen and more a case of when not if. Then it'll be the end of the 'English Empire' ….apart from those numptees in Northern Ireland of course.

Roll on full Independence for Scotland and Wales ………asap.

We would be a lot better with out England I say

Its guaranteed to happen and more a case of when not if. Then it'll be the end of the 'English Empire' ….apart from those numptees in Northern Ireland of course.

Roll on full Independence for Scotland and Wales ………asap.

Tell me how? Tell my how we will afford it? Tell me if we will still be able to rely on the English taxpayer who even now are subsidizing us? Finally, tell me what the f*cking hell is the point of it all?

I expect a wall of silence if not a good f*cking laugh.

No chance when we had coal maybe, but Scotland got oil they will get a better chance at it if thats what they decide

Its guaranteed to happen and more a case of when not if. Then it'll be the end of the 'English Empire' ….apart from those numptees in Northern Ireland of course.

Roll on full Independence for Scotland and Wales ………asap.

We would be a lot better with out England I say

problem is you wouldn,t be independent.you would be pouncing off brussels.therefore taking english money via brissels rather than just straight from london.if you want to go it alone do it outside the e.u. i wouldn,t bank on the e.u being the cash pot it is now for ever either.personally i,m a brit but this should be sorted out either way once and for all

Its guaranteed to happen and more a case of when not if. Then it'll be the end of the 'English Empire' ….apart from those numptees in Northern Ireland of course.

Roll on full Independence for Scotland and Wales ………asap.

Tell me how? Tell my how we will afford it? Tell me if we will still be able to rely on the English taxpayer who even now are subsidizing us? Finally, tell me what the f*cking hell is the point of it all?

I expect a wall of silence if not a good f*cking laugh.

Well f*cking said mate They never answer and just simply reply how they hate english All we would do is go from scrounging off the English to scrounging off the EU and end up like Greece and Spain

Its guaranteed to happen and more a case of when not if. Then it'll be the end of the 'English Empire' ….apart from those numptees in Northern Ireland of course.

Roll on full Independence for Scotland and Wales ………asap.

Tell me how? Tell my how we will afford it? Tell me if we will still be able to rely on the English taxpayer who even now are subsidizing us? Finally, tell me what the f*cking hell is the point of it all?

I expect a wall of silence if not a good f*cking laugh.

Well f*cking said mate They never answer and just simply reply how they hate english All we would do is go from scrounging off the English to scrounging off the EU and end up like Greece and Spain

we are better off together.britain must have something going for it.enough people want to get to these shores.

Its guaranteed to happen and more a case of when not if. Then it'll be the end of the 'English Empire' ….apart from those numptees in Northern Ireland of course.

Roll on full Independence for Scotland and Wales ………asap.

Tell me how? Tell my how we will afford it? Tell me if we will still be able to rely on the English taxpayer who even now are subsidizing us? Finally, tell me what the f*cking hell is the point of it all?

I expect a wall of silence if not a good f*cking laugh.

You come up with this rubbish about England subsidising Wales every time a thread like this come up. It just doesn't happen. It's an old fashion, outdated opinion. We are a country of 3 million, similar population to say Finland or Estonia. They're doing all right aren't they. A free Wales wouldn't need to spent millions fighting wars, buy nuclear deterrents, run an air force or a navy for that matter and that's just for a start.
Your opinions are old fashioned I'm afraid, small is beautiful my friend!

Its guaranteed to happen and more a case of when not if. Then it'll be the end of the 'English Empire' ….apart from those numptees in Northern Ireland of course.

Roll on full Independence for Scotland and Wales ………asap.

Tell me how? Tell my how we will afford it? Tell me if we will still be able to rely on the English taxpayer who even now are subsidizing us? Finally, tell me what the f*cking hell is the point of it all?

I expect a wall of silence if not a good f*cking laugh.

Well f*cking said mate They never answer and just simply reply how they hate english All we would do is go from scrounging off the English to scrounging off the EU and end up like Greece and Spain

we are better off together.britain must have something going for it.enough people want to get to these shores.

Exactlly and why the pound is still strong. It might be shit now but itll will get better and if we went independent we would only find ourselves in the shit. I bet the Goverment cant wait to get rid of the scots it will mean less handouts to shell out

Its guaranteed to happen and more a case of when not if. Then it'll be the end of the 'English Empire' ….apart from those numptees in Northern Ireland of course.

Roll on full Independence for Scotland and Wales ………asap.

Tell me how? Tell my how we will afford it? Tell me if we will still be able to rely on the English taxpayer who even now are subsidizing us? Finally, tell me what the f*cking hell is the point of it all?

I expect a wall of silence if not a good f*cking laugh.

You come up with this rubbish about England subsidising Wales every time a thread like this come up. It just doesn't happen. It's an old fashion, outdated opinion. We are a country of 3 million, similar population to say Finland or Estonia. They're doing all right aren't they. A free Wales wouldn't need to spent millions fighting wars, buy nuclear deterrents, run an air force or a navy for that matter and that's just for a start.
Your opinions are old fashioned I'm afraid, small is beautiful my friend!

I'm sorry but you do realise Wales gets a subsidary off the UK goverment every year to the same amount as London which has a higher population. How else do you think the Welsh Assembly is able to pay for all its policies?

As for being the same size to Finland well thats all good except for the fact we are one of the poorest countries in the EU

Its guaranteed to happen and more a case of when not if. Then it'll be the end of the 'English Empire' ….apart from those numptees in Northern Ireland of course.

Roll on full Independence for Scotland and Wales ………asap.

Tell me how? Tell my how we will afford it? Tell me if we will still be able to rely on the English taxpayer who even now are subsidizing us? Finally, tell me what the f*cking hell is the point of it all?

I expect a wall of silence if not a good f*cking laugh.

You come up with this rubbish about England subsidising Wales every time a thread like this come up. It just doesn't happen. It's an old fashion, outdated opinion. We are a country of 3 million, similar population to say Finland or Estonia. They're doing all right aren't they. A free Wales wouldn't need to spent millions fighting wars, buy nuclear deterrents, run an air force or a navy for that matter and that's just for a start.
Your opinions are old fashioned I'm afraid, small is beautiful my friend!

I'm sorry but you do realise Wales gets a subsidary off the UK goverment every year to the same amount as London which has a higher population. How else do you think the Welsh Assembly is able to pay for all its policies?

As for being the same size to Finland well thats all good except for the fact we are one of the poorest countries in the EU

I agree wholeheartedly we are one of the poorest regions of Europe. But thats not quite true of England is it? All independent nations raise money from taxes. The handouts that we get from London aren't as much as we would raise in taxes, hence your last point!!

100% NO.

Theres no way we'd be able to sustain our selves without England or the UK. And for that reason, I'm out! (sorry watching Dragons Den)

Would CCFC still be allowed to play in the English Leagues if we were independant???

Bluecog

Finland is larger country than wales geographically and probably has the national resources to sustain it's economy. With a large (ish) country such as Finland, they may also have more space for developments, such as; shopping centres, tourist attractions etc.

Plus as far as I'm aware there is a snowy region where I'm guessing, I could be wrong, there is something for tourists to do. You're right, with the taxes raised in wales we'd bring in more than we get from London, however, would it be enough formanholer infrastructure projects? Healthcare syste
? Free prescriptions? Public schools? Public sectors jobs? Defence (unless we stayed with the UK armed forces)?

Those are the questions you need to be thinking about.


Edit: sorry for any gramma mistakes I'm on my IPhone.

I'd just like to add, if Wales ever became independent, I think boosting the manufacturing industry would help and obviously the retail industry too.

I quite honestly can't see how Scotland are going to make a go of independence, and no offence, they have a bit more to offer than Wales.

A big no from me, for either Scotland or Wales.

Actually, any fool could make wales a success on its own. Just reduce the corporation tax to 0% and watch the businesses flood in from England and Ireland. Bingo.

The taxes raised from the people who work for them would more than balance the public coffers. As someone else pointed out, we would only have to pay for 2 million people. No army or foreign wars to bankroll either.

Just, how would this even work? Think for a moment - what industry/income does Wales have? Nothing. We used to have coal, but Thatcher bollocked that up. We have nothing. Don't try telling me tourism. We have some nice areas in Mid- and North- Wales but apart from that, squat. We'd have no chance whatsoever.

If we got independence who is going to pay for it?

Does this mean Welsh people will start to go to work again?
Or will they continue to moan about Margaret Thatcher taking their jobs while the fat lazy bastards slump infront of the tele eating pizza/other takeaways (too lazy and thick to cook their own food)?

Where will the money come from to fund these scroungers?
We produce nothing apart from benefit scroungers and public service (non-productive jobs).
If you do not believe me take a walk around a Welsh town today and then reply to me.

I am born and bred in Wales, run my own business and have to listen to their bulls**t lies (my back is bad - yes, because your a fat w****r, that is why you have a bad back).

Thay say it is not their fault, but they have made themselves unemployabe by being fat. Laziness is not an illness, it is a state of mind.
I spoke to one this morning. Cannot work due to a bad back, but decorating the house. f****ing unbelievable.

Who will pay for our army? Or do you suggest we rely on the bravery of the French, Italians and Spanish for safety? God help us?
What about all our service personel who will suddenly be out of work, as I am sure we have a very high percentage of serving regular and reserve forces?

Who is going to run our country? Carwyn the caring? He couldn't run a car boot sale, (like the rest of the incompetent, sound bite politicians in Cardiff Bay). What business expeience (or even qualifications) have any of the 60 got?

We would become a one party socialist state (and what a state we would be). Scotland will be bankrupt within 2 years of independence. They say they have all this oil revenue, but it is running out, then what? Can we come back into the UK please?

Remember they will have a socialist government who only know one thing .... tax and spend. So they will tax the oil revenue very highly making it non competitive. If I was the English I would support new oil rigs and exploration, then transport it to (for example, Newcastle) and get oil and gas revenues that way. Expensive I know, but if there is so much oil and gas there, then worth it.

Need I go on as it is just a stupid unintelligent, out of date idea. Christ who rattled my cage this morning?
Anyway, the reason I came on here, anyone know if the Sheff Weds game is on tele? (Sunday 2nd DEc 1 pm kick off.

Scotland have the north sea oil revenues to counter the "english tax payers fund Scotland" argument. That's why the SNP think they have a case for successful independence. I can't see how it would work with Wales (yet).

As an Englishmen I'd hate Scotland or Wales to be independent as we'd have a near Tory dictatorship in England

Independence?

Living in a dream world!

Either we are part of the UK or the EU.

How would we be independent?

Look what the EU forced on large countries like Spain, Greece and Italy.

And, Yes, there is tax short fall in Wales. We get more out than we put in and even Plaid have said that.

100% NO.

This. No point tbh.

We would just get EU money instead of London money and the EU is struggling massively at the moment.

It was lazy fuckers like me that didn't vote against devolution when we had the chance that gave us the welsh assembly.Only the starry eyed gogs want independance-keep wales in!

No no no.

No no no.

You can only vote once!

Its guaranteed to happen and more a case of when not if. Then it'll be the end of the 'English Empire' ….apart from those numptees in Northern Ireland of course.

Roll on full Independence for Scotland and Wales ………asap.

Tell me how? Tell my how we will afford it? Tell me if we will still be able to rely on the English taxpayer who even now are subsidizing us? Finally, tell me what the f*cking hell is the point of it all?

I expect a wall of silence if not a good f*cking laugh.

You come up with this rubbish about England subsidising Wales every time a thread like this come up. It just doesn't happen. It's an old fashion, outdated opinion. We are a country of 3 million, similar population to say Finland or Estonia. They're doing all right aren't they. A free Wales wouldn't need to spent millions fighting wars, buy nuclear deterrents, run an air force or a navy for that matter and that's just for a start.
Your opinions are old fashioned I'm afraid, small is beautiful my friend!

I'm sorry but you do realise Wales gets a subsidary off the UK goverment every year to the same amount as London which has a higher population. How else do you think the Welsh Assembly is able to pay for all its policies?

As for being the same size to Finland well thats all good except for the fact we are one of the poorest countries in the EU

I agree wholeheartedly we are one of the poorest regions of Europe. But thats not quite true of England is it? All independent nations raise money from taxes. The handouts that we get from London aren't as much as we would raise in taxes, hence your last point!!

That's not true at all!

Even Plaid have said there would be a short fall in what we spend now and what Wales could raise in taxes.

Unless you increase taxes by a large % and drive away any future outside investment.

I like the idea of us being independent but I don't think it's the best for us. I don't know enough about the ins and outs of the politics involved but our Assembly is just as retarded as Westminster, if not more so. I certainly don't think Wales would be a better country for it right now. Maybe in the future but not now.

If we got independence who is going to pay for it?

Does this mean Welsh people will start to go to work again?
Or will they continue to moan about Margaret Thatcher taking their jobs while the fat lazy bastards slump infront of the tele eating pizza/other takeaways (too lazy and thick to cook their own food)?

Where will the money come from to fund these scroungers?
We produce nothing apart from benefit scroungers and public service (non-productive jobs).
If you do not believe me take a walk around a Welsh town today and then reply to me.

I am born and bred in Wales, run my own business and have to listen to their bulls**t lies (my back is bad - yes, because your a fat w****r, that is why you have a bad back).

Thay say it is not their fault, but they have made themselves unemployabe by being fat. Laziness is not an illness, it is a state of mind.
I spoke to one this morning. Cannot work due to a bad back, but decorating the house. f****ing unbelievable.

Who will pay for our army? Or do you suggest we rely on the bravery of the French, Italians and Spanish for safety? God help us?
What about all our service personel who will suddenly be out of work, as I am sure we have a very high percentage of serving regular and reserve forces?

Who is going to run our country? Carwyn the caring? He couldn't run a car boot sale, (like the rest of the incompetent, sound bite politicians in Cardiff Bay). What business expeience (or even qualifications) have any of the 60 got?

We would become a one party socialist state (and what a state we would be). Scotland will be bankrupt within 2 years of independence. They say they have all this oil revenue, but it is running out, then what? Can we come back into the UK please?

Remember they will have a socialist government who only know one thing .... tax and spend. So they will tax the oil revenue very highly making it non competitive. If I was the English I would support new oil rigs and exploration, then transport it to (for example, Newcastle) and get oil and gas revenues that way. Expensive I know, but if there is so much oil and gas there, then worth it.

Need I go on as it is just a stupid unintelligent, out of date idea. Christ who rattled my cage this morning?
Anyway, the reason I came on here, anyone know if the Sheff Weds game is on tele? (Sunday 2nd DEc 1 pm kick off.

TBH mate you slate 'fat' people for their 'can't do' attitudes then come up with one of the most negative can't do posts I have ever seen.

If Wales wants independence then it is do able. We still have plenty of coal, we have shale gas and possibly oil in the Celtic sea. We could revamp our manafacturing and lower Corporation Tax like Ireland has to attract business.

We could even go the offshore tax heaven route and attract billions of pounds worth of investment.

Nothing says we have to mimic the UK and base our economy 90% on financial services, instead we can be creative and masters of our own destiny.

Personally I would vote an absolute YES and I think we would all be better off for it.