Chris Coleman makes worst ever Wales manager start:

Chris Coleman makes worst ever Wales manager start: stats
Sep 13 2012


Wales manager Chris Coleman
How does Chris Coleman compare to his predecessors after five games in charge? The stats show nobody has made a worse start to the job since Wales first installed a manager, Wally Barnes, in 1954

WALLY BARNES (1954-55)

Won one, lost four

Austria 2, Wales 0

Wales 1, Yugoslavia 3


Wales 0, Scotland 1

England 3, Wales 2

Northern Ireland 2, Wales 3

JIMMY MURPHY (1956-57)

Won one, drew two, lost two

Wales 2, Scotland 2

England 3, Wales 1

Northern Ireland 0, Wales 0

Wales 1, Czechoslovakia 0

East Germany 2, Wales 1

DAVE BOWEN (1964-65)

Won two, lost three

Wales 3, Scotland 2

Denmark 1, Wales 0

England 2, Wales 1

Greece 2, Wales 0

Wales 4, Greece 1

MIKE SMITH (1974)

Won four, lost one

Austria 2, Wales 1

Wales 2, Hungary 0

Wales 5, Luxembourg 0

Hungary 1, Wales 2

Luxembourg 1, Wales 3

MIKE ENGLAND (1980)

Won three, lost two

Wales 4, England 1

Scotland 1, Wales 0

Wales 0, Northern Ireland 1

Iceland 0, Wales 4

Wales 4, Turkey 0

TERRY YORATH (1988)

Won two, drew one, lost two

Sweden 4, Wales 1

Malta 2, Wales 3

Italy 0, Wales 1

Netherlands 1, Wales 0

Wales 2, Finland 2

MIKE SMITH (1994)

Won two, lost three

Wales 0, Sweden 2

Estonia 1, Wales 2

Wales 2, Albania 0

Moldova 3, Wales 2

Georgia 5, Wales 0

BOBBY GOULD (1995-96)

Won one, drew one, lost three

Wales 1, Germany 2

Albania 1, Wales 1

Italy 3, Wales 0

Switzerland 2, Wales 0

San Marino 0, Wales 5

MARK HUGHES (1999-2000)

Won two, lost three

Belarus 1, Wales 2

Wales 0, Switzerland 2

Qatar 0, Wales 1

Wales 1, Finland 2

Wales 0, Brazil 3

JOHN TOSHACK (2005)

Won one, drew one, lost three

Wales 2, Hungary 0

Wales 0, Austria 2

Austria 1, Wales 0

Wales 0, Slovenia 0

Wales 0, England 1

GARY SPEED (2011)

Won one, lost four

Rep of Ireland 3, Wales 0

Wales 0, England 2

Wales 1, Scotland 3

Wales 2, Northern Ireland 0

Wales 1, Austria 2

CHRIS COLEMAN (2012)

Lost five

Wales 0, Costa Rica 1

Mexico 2, Wales 0

Wales 0, Bosnia 2

Wales 0, Belgium 2

Serbia 6, Wales 1



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And the most worrying fact in all this is we've only scored 1 goal in 6 games!!... I'll be honest I ain't the biggest fan of international football but that started to change when speed was in charge because he change the way we played and we looked as if we was getting somewhere!!... I'm no glory supporter but when speed was in charge the players wanted to play for him and you could see they were committed to the cause and not making excuses not to play for Wales week in week out. Looking at the scores I think it's gonna get to the point where we think, I wonder if we will score a goal this time!! lol... I used to go quite a lot to the welsh games but I can't be arsed spending anymore time and money to watch a shit, half hearted performance!!... I think we should put the under 17's or under 21's in to play for the full team because atleast they got a point to prove and you know we're gonna get 100% out of them!!

What is worrying, unlike the previous managers, is that Coleman has taken over a side that was playing fantastic football and full of confidence.

Why change the tactics?
Why bring in dinosaurs as his backroom staff?
Why the f**k did the FAW let Dutch Ray walk?

Everything Gary Speed and his backroom staff had built has been destroyed. Shame on you Coleman

Coleman didn't take control for the Costa Rica game.

What is worrying, unlike the previous managers, is that Coleman has taken over a side that was playing fantastic football and full of confidence.

Why change the tactics?
Why bring in dinosaurs as his backroom staff?
Why the f**k did the FAW let Dutch Ray walk?

Everything Gary Speed and his backroom staff had built has been destroyed. Shame on you Coleman

Coleman took control of a squad traumatised by the tragic loss of their manager, not one full of confidence. Ask Craig Bellamy.
Personally I think it was an impossible task in the circumstances and Welsh football will take a couple of years to get over it.

Coleman didn't take control for the Costa Rica game.

Didn't we lose to Australia not Austria under Speed?

Im normally quite a laid back person but my patience has run out with Chris Coleman.

I can forgive bad results against Mexico and Belgium. They are decent sides and results against either would have been difficult. It is the results against Serbia & Bosnia that really do it for me. Bosnia is a side that we should be more than capable of beating and, as I am sure most will agree, Serbia are not 5 goals better than us.

The result against Serbia was embarrassing but I can put up with being embarrassed and I can also take the sly comments of my English workmates. What I cannot accept though is the fact that, whenever the camera pointed to him, Chris Coleman was stood resting against the dugout walls showing no emotion, showing no passion, showing no idea and quite frankly showing no leadership to the players on the pitch.

Coleman didn't take control for the Costa Rica game.

Please don't tell me you are defending Coleman? He should never have had the job, Get rid now and send that ginger prick packing with him.

Coleman didn't take control for the Costa Rica game.

Please don't tell me you are defending Coleman? He should never have had the job, Get rid now and send that ginger prick packing with him.

Simply stating a fact.

But even if I was defending Coleman I'm perfectly entitled to do so.

Gary Speed made quite a bad start. I personally think Coleman is a better manager than Speed was. It might take time though. I think the players are still pretty cut up over what happened to Speed.

Coleman should be out. After that pathetic performance on Tuesday night, nobody should think otherwise.

Let's face it, not a chance they will consider replacing him until at least after the next couple of qualifying games.

I know this really is clutching at straws, but if we do manage to turn things around and beat Scotland (not unlikely at home, especially given the way Scotland have started) and Croatia (just about possible on the back of a moral-lifting win), qualification still can't be ruled out. I know we say this sort of thing every time!

Coleman's position at the moment is hanging on a knife edge. It's very like Alex Ferguson's just before that FA Cup game he managed to win, near to the start of his career - didn't they say if he'd lost that, he'd have been out? And then look how he's progressed from there! Unlikely Coleman will follow the same pattern, admittedly...

As a replacement, I'm not too sure about the Brian Flynn option - does he real have that feel good factor? I know he's done well with the U21s. Wonder if there would be any chance of a return of Mark Hughes? If he did consider it, would definitely bring the crowds back - and he'd be even better now, with so many more years' management experience.

get the jack c**t out now bring harry rednapp or another high profile ,man motivator as manager the players are there spedd proved that

I want Coleman out but we don't have any obvious options. I think we should search abroad personally; not that the righteous FAW would approve.

get the jack c**t out now bring harry rednapp or another high profile ,man motivator as manager the players are there spedd proved that

Did he though? We performed very badly then won a few games against poor opposition. Granted the 4 nil win against Norway was pretty good but it was a friendly. He got us up in the rankings but they are a lottery as has been shown by England's continued presence at the top.

get the jack c**t out now bring harry rednapp or another high profile ,man motivator as manager the players are there spedd proved that

Did he though? We performed very badly then won a few games against poor opposition. Granted the 4 nil win against Norway was pretty good but it was a friendly. He got us up in the rankings but they are a lottery as has been shown by England's continued presence at the top.

The football we played under speed was the best ever, regardless of results (which were also very good)

get the jack c**t out now bring harry rednapp or another high profile ,man motivator as manager the players are there spedd proved that

We've got no chance in hell of bringing in Harry Redknapp or another high profile manager though.

It was pretty much Chris Coleman, Brian Flynn or someone like that. Give him time, sacking him so early won't do us any favours.

We need him gone as soon as possible. The FAW need to see some sense and stop with the 'Welshmen only' policy.

Didn't we lose to Australia not Austria under Speed?

It's actually an easy mistake to make given the similarity with which they're spelt.

Nj can you give me a reason why the welsh f.a. Should stick with coleman and co?

Get rid of him now & the rest of his coaching gang/drinking mates.

He has potentially the best Wales team in many a year and he is systematically
destroying a nations hopes with his ineptitude the same players a few months earlier had outplayed England at Wembley & comfortably beat Switzerland and ripped apart Norway.

Everyone should e-mail or contact them senile old gits/foolsat the FAW & make their feelings known

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Nj can you give me a reason why the welsh f.a. Should stick with coleman and co?

Because a knee jerk reaction to a poor start is not what is needed given the whole situation.

Now I'm certainly not saying that Coleman will turn out to be the best man for the job, but as I've said previously, he took over in the most difficult circumstances possible and while people say he inherited a team of top form playing well. But that is only a part of the picture as the reality is he took over a group of young men traumatised from losing their mentor in such unexpected and tragic circumstances.

Just look at how the Speed situation has affected Craig Bellamy who made himself unavailable for these two crucial world cup games.

I honestly think that there was no one who would have been able to lift the players over the period of time that has passed.

Therefore, in my opinion, this campaign was always going to be a right off due to these circumstances and Coleman should be given the full campaign to try and lift the squad and turn it around. To sack him after a poor start while the squad is clearly still suffering the massive hangover from the loss of Speed would be wrong as I believe what is needed now is some continuity and stability.

I know this won't be a popular view on here though.

Nj can you give me a reason why the welsh f.a. Should stick with coleman and co?

Because a knee jerk reaction to a poor start is not what is needed given the whole situation.

Now I'm certainly not saying that Coleman will turn out to be the best man for the job, but as I've said previously, he took over in the most difficult circumstances possible and while people say he inherited a team of top form playing well. But that is only a part of the picture as the reality is he took over a group of young men traumatised from losing their mentor in such unexpected and tragic circumstances.

Just look at how the Speed situation has affected Craig Bellamy who made himself unavailable for these two crucial world cup games.

I honestly think that there was no one who would have been able to lift the players over the period of time that has passed.

Therefore, in my opinion, this campaign was always going to be a right off due to these circumstances and Coleman should be given the full campaign to try and lift the squad and turn it around. To sack him after a poor start while the squad is clearly still suffering the massive hangover from the loss of Speed would be wrong as I believe what is needed now is some continuity and stability.

I know this won't be a popular view on here though.

Coleman is a very poor manager who has achieved absolutely bugger all. He should never have been given the job in the 1st place. Brian Flynn, Osian Roberts and the Dutch fella Raimond should have been the managerial team. They had the respect of the players and could have turned the awful tragedy of Gary Speeds death into a positive by getting the players to win qualification for Speedo and his family. In 4 games Coleman has totally fucked up the team spirit and if he had an ounce of decency he would give his resignation.

Nj can you give me a reason why the welsh f.a. Should stick with coleman and co?

Because a knee jerk reaction to a poor start is not what is needed given the whole situation.

Now I'm certainly not saying that Coleman will turn out to be the best man for the job, but as I've said previously, he took over in the most difficult circumstances possible and while people say he inherited a team of top form playing well. But that is only a part of the picture as the reality is he took over a group of young men traumatised from losing their mentor in such unexpected and tragic circumstances.

Just look at how the Speed situation has affected Craig Bellamy who made himself unavailable for these two crucial world cup games.

I honestly think that there was no one who would have been able to lift the players over the period of time that has passed.

Therefore, in my opinion, this campaign was always going to be a right off due to these circumstances and Coleman should be given the full campaign to try and lift the squad and turn it around. To sack him after a poor start while the squad is clearly still suffering the massive hangover from the loss of Speed would be wrong as I believe what is needed now is some continuity and stability.

I know this won't be a popular view on here though.

Coleman is a very poor manager who has achieved absolutely bugger all. He should never have been given the job in the 1st place. Brian Flynn, Osian Roberts and the Dutch fella Raimond should have been the managerial team. They had the respect of the players and could have turned the awful tragedy of Gary Speeds death into a positive by getting the players to win qualification for Speedo and his family. In 4 games Coleman has totally fucked up the team spirit and if he had an ounce of decency he would give his resignation.

I understand why you would come to that opinion but I disagree. We are where we are and I think it would be counter-productive to get rid of Coleman now.

Nj can you give me a reason why the welsh f.a. Should stick with coleman and co?

Because a knee jerk reaction to a poor start is not what is needed given the whole situation.

Now I'm certainly not saying that Coleman will turn out to be the best man for the job, but as I've said previously, he took over in the most difficult circumstances possible and while people say he inherited a team of top form playing well. But that is only a part of the picture as the reality is he took over a group of young men traumatised from losing their mentor in such unexpected and tragic circumstances.

Just look at how the Speed situation has affected Craig Bellamy who made himself unavailable for these two crucial world cup games.

I honestly think that there was no one who would have been able to lift the players over the period of time that has passed.

Therefore, in my opinion, this campaign was always going to be a right off due to these circumstances and Coleman should be given the full campaign to try and lift the squad and turn it around. To sack him after a poor start while the squad is clearly still suffering the massive hangover from the loss of Speed would be wrong as I believe what is needed now is some continuity and stability.

I know this won't be a popular view on here though.

Coleman is a very poor manager who has achieved absolutely bugger all. He should never have been given the job in the 1st place. Brian Flynn, Osian Roberts and the Dutch fella Raimond should have been the managerial team. They had the respect of the players and could have turned the awful tragedy of Gary Speeds death into a positive by getting the players to win qualification for Speedo and his family. In 4 games Coleman has totally fucked up the team spirit and if he had an ounce of decency he would give his resignation.

I understand why you would come to that opinion but I disagree. We are where we are and I think it would be counter-productive to get rid of Coleman now.

We are all entitled to our opinions on this. There is an argument that he needs time but how long does he get? If they keep him on (which will happen IMO) what happens if we lose our next 2 games? Decisive action is needed. The FAW needs an overhaul from top through to bottom. The committee needs replacing with proper paid football men who can oversee international football from schoolboy through to full international. The League of Wales is a joke and needs a proper overhaul too.

Nj can you give me a reason why the welsh f.a. Should stick with coleman and co?

Because a knee jerk reaction to a poor start is not what is needed given the whole situation.

Now I'm certainly not saying that Coleman will turn out to be the best man for the job, but as I've said previously, he took over in the most difficult circumstances possible and while people say he inherited a team of top form playing well. But that is only a part of the picture as the reality is he took over a group of young men traumatised from losing their mentor in such unexpected and tragic circumstances.

Just look at how the Speed situation has affected Craig Bellamy who made himself unavailable for these two crucial world cup games.

I honestly think that there was no one who would have been able to lift the players over the period of time that has passed.

Therefore, in my opinion, this campaign was always going to be a right off due to these circumstances and Coleman should be given the full campaign to try and lift the squad and turn it around. To sack him after a poor start while the squad is clearly still suffering the massive hangover from the loss of Speed would be wrong as I believe what is needed now is some continuity and stability.

I know this won't be a popular view on here though.

Coleman is a very poor manager who has achieved absolutely bugger all. He should never have been given the job in the 1st place. Brian Flynn, Osian Roberts and the Dutch fella Raimond should have been the managerial team. They had the respect of the players and could have turned the awful tragedy of Gary Speeds death into a positive by getting the players to win qualification for Speedo and his family. In 4 games Coleman has totally fucked up the team spirit and if he had an ounce of decency he would give his resignation.

I understand why you would come to that opinion but I disagree. We are where we are and I think it would be counter-productive to get rid of Coleman now.

It is hard to conclude anything other than you are defending the useless herbert because he is a mustachio'd jack who I note was guest speaker at the jack supporter do in London a couple of weeks back.

Nj can you give me a reason why the welsh f.a. Should stick with coleman and co?

Because a knee jerk reaction to a poor start is not what is needed given the whole situation.

Now I'm certainly not saying that Coleman will turn out to be the best man for the job, but as I've said previously, he took over in the most difficult circumstances possible and while people say he inherited a team of top form playing well. But that is only a part of the picture as the reality is he took over a group of young men traumatised from losing their mentor in such unexpected and tragic circumstances.

Just look at how the Speed situation has affected Craig Bellamy who made himself unavailable for these two crucial world cup games.

I honestly think that there was no one who would have been able to lift the players over the period of time that has passed.

Therefore, in my opinion, this campaign was always going to be a right off due to these circumstances and Coleman should be given the full campaign to try and lift the squad and turn it around. To sack him after a poor start while the squad is clearly still suffering the massive hangover from the loss of Speed would be wrong as I believe what is needed now is some continuity and stability.

I know this won't be a popular view on here though.

Coleman is a very poor manager who has achieved absolutely bugger all. He should never have been given the job in the 1st place. Brian Flynn, Osian Roberts and the Dutch fella Raimond should have been the managerial team. They had the respect of the players and could have turned the awful tragedy of Gary Speeds death into a positive by getting the players to win qualification for Speedo and his family. In 4 games Coleman has totally fucked up the team spirit and if he had an ounce of decency he would give his resignation.

I understand why you would come to that opinion but I disagree. We are where we are and I think it would be counter-productive to get rid of Coleman now.

It is hard to conclude anything other than you are defending the useless herbert because he is a mustachio'd jack who I note was guest speaker at the jack supporter do in London a couple of weeks back.

I'm able to form an opinion regardless of where someone is from. My view would be the same if it were a Cardiffian in the post.

I doubt however many on here would be so strongly against the postholder if that were the case.

I'm sorry but he has to go. Speeds amazing work has been torn down by Coleman. It is a sad situation for all the team but they speak about how they use it has their motivation? It will be another few years until we have a good patch.

Nj can you give me a reason why the welsh f.a. Should stick with coleman and co?

Because a knee jerk reaction to a poor start is not what is needed given the whole situation.

Now I'm certainly not saying that Coleman will turn out to be the best man for the job, but as I've said previously, he took over in the most difficult circumstances possible and while people say he inherited a team of top form playing well. But that is only a part of the picture as the reality is he took over a group of young men traumatised from losing their mentor in such unexpected and tragic circumstances.

Just look at how the Speed situation has affected Craig Bellamy who made himself unavailable for these two crucial world cup games.

I honestly think that there was no one who would have been able to lift the players over the period of time that has passed.

Therefore, in my opinion, this campaign was always going to be a right off due to these circumstances and Coleman should be given the full campaign to try and lift the squad and turn it around. To sack him after a poor start while the squad is clearly still suffering the massive hangover from the loss of Speed would be wrong as I believe what is needed now is some continuity and stability.

I know this won't be a popular view on here though.

Coleman is a very poor manager who has achieved absolutely bugger all. He should never have been given the job in the 1st place. Brian Flynn, Osian Roberts and the Dutch fella Raimond should have been the managerial team. They had the respect of the players and could have turned the awful tragedy of Gary Speeds death into a positive by getting the players to win qualification for Speedo and his family. In 4 games Coleman has totally fucked up the team spirit and if he had an ounce of decency he would give his resignation.

I understand why you would come to that opinion but I disagree. We are where we are and I think it would be counter-productive to get rid of Coleman now.

It is hard to conclude anything other than you are defending the useless herbert because he is a mustachio'd jack who I note was guest speaker at the jack supporter do in London a couple of weeks back.

I'm able to form an opinion regardless of where someone is from. My view would be the same if it were a Cardiffian in the post.

I doubt however many on here would be so strongly against the postholder if that were the case.

Tosack? But I suppose he didn't really qualify.