The buck stops with Margaret Thatcher

It's unbelieveable because at NO time during the election campaign did Labour make any reference whatsoever to Hillsbrough and yet you are prepared to make a disgusting claim that they only set up this panel knowing it would report after the 2010 election. Why?

This has never been about party politics but getting at the truth however you are prepared to make it so in your comment about "Socialists". This shows you are prepared to lower this debate to your normal level where reality doesn't exist.

I hope that mediawales pick up on this statement and out you "again" for this. If they do I suppose we can all wait for your standard excuse about your account being hacked.

By the way I notice you didn't comment on your mate Boris. Hmmm I wonder why.

What are you saying that all political parties publicly state when they want to play the dirty tricks game..? Don't make me laugh

What I'm saying is that in this whole debate you are the only one suggesting that this issue in some way relates to a dirty tricks game involving polictical parties.

Keep it up Adam mediawales are watching; Trust me they are watching.

MediaWales are all Labour anyway so who really gives a shit what they think

What about your mate Boris I notice you still haven't commented on him. I wonder why

It's unbelieveable because at NO time during the election campaign did Labour make any reference whatsoever to Hillsbrough and yet you are prepared to make a disgusting claim that they only set up this panel knowing it would report after the 2010 election. Why?

This has never been about party politics but getting at the truth however you are prepared to make it so in your comment about "Socialists". This shows you are prepared to lower this debate to your normal level where reality doesn't exist.

I hope that mediawales pick up on this statement and out you "again" for this. If they do I suppose we can all wait for your standard excuse about your account being hacked.

By the way I notice you didn't comment on your mate Boris. Hmmm I wonder why.

What are you saying that all political parties publicly state when they want to play the dirty tricks game..? Don't make me laugh

What I'm saying is that in this whole debate you are the only one suggesting that this issue in some way relates to a dirty tricks game involving polictical parties.

Keep it up Adam mediawales are watching; Trust me they are watching.

MediaWales are all Labour anyway so who really gives a shit what they think

What about your mate Boris I notice you still haven't commented on him. I wonder why

I notice thatyou aren't commenting on why Labour did nothing about it for 13 years!!!

It's unbelieveable because at NO time during the election campaign did Labour make any reference whatsoever to Hillsbrough and yet you are prepared to make a disgusting claim that they only set up this panel knowing it would report after the 2010 election. Why?

This has never been about party politics but getting at the truth however you are prepared to make it so in your comment about "Socialists". This shows you are prepared to lower this debate to your normal level where reality doesn't exist.

I hope that mediawales pick up on this statement and out you "again" for this. If they do I suppose we can all wait for your standard excuse about your account being hacked.

By the way I notice you didn't comment on your mate Boris. Hmmm I wonder why.

What are you saying that all political parties publicly state when they want to play the dirty tricks game..? Don't make me laugh

What I'm saying is that in this whole debate you are the only one suggesting that this issue in some way relates to a dirty tricks game involving polictical parties.

Keep it up Adam mediawales are watching; Trust me they are watching.

MediaWales are all Labour anyway so who really gives a shit what they think

What about your mate Boris I notice you still haven't commented on him. I wonder why

I notice thatyou aren't commenting on why Labour did nothing about it for 13 years!!!

Let me help you total cabbage.

Because Labour are just the same as the Tories, cunts.

now lets get back to 'The Iron Lady'

...Ruled Britain with an Iron fist...

Yet she didnt know about Hillsborough, they didnt tell her???

Yeh righto

What do you think her role in all this was?

Thatcher had no role. Unless you think Thatcher needed to become Columbo and get to the bottom of it all?

British police have a long history of lying to get the end result they wanted.

* Guildford Four

* Birmingham Six

I could go on.

What was Thatcher meant to do?

All the British Govt could do what make sure it never happened again and they did that.

Thatcher had no role. Unless you think Thatcher needed to become Columbo and get to the bottom of it all?

British police have a long history of lying to get the end result they wanted.

* Guildford Four

* Birmingham Six

I could go on.

What was Thatcher meant to do?

All the British Govt could do what make sure it never happened again and they did that.

There were some things that were revealed yesterday that may change your mind, though. I was surprised and I thought I was aware of most of what went on back in the day.

^^^Based on what Jack Straw said?

^^^Based on what Jack Straw said?

No, I was referring to a lot of details that came out in the report from the independent panel yesterday. Is Jack Straw still alive?

I've read nowhere that the blame goes to the top of Govt.

Straw blamed Thatcher for creating a police force that thought it was above the law.

I've read nowhere that the blame goes to the top of Govt.

Straw blamed Thatcher for creating a police force that thought it was above the law.

A little bit of what I saw on BBC News yesterday, when the journos were doing a Q&A with the panel, suggested so. If you didn't see that, fair enough - it might not have been mentioned elsewhere.

As for Jack Straw's comment, I think that's naive. The police have been accused of corruption during Labour and Conservative governments and prior to the Thatcher era, too. It makes him look like a fool.

Thatcher had no role. Unless you think Thatcher needed to become Columbo and get to the bottom of it all?

British police have a long history of lying to get the end result they wanted.

* Guildford Four

* Birmingham Six

I could go on.

What was Thatcher meant to do?

All the British Govt could do what make sure it never happened again and they did that.

???

The very next day, Thatchers press secretary announced that 'drunken louts' caused the tragedy.
Following day, her pet tabloid accused fans of robbing and pissing on the dead. Neither would
blink back then without 'Iron Maggie's' say so. Or has the legendary 'Iron Lady' suddenly, after all
these years, become just a figurehead with no idea what was going on. She DID NOT want her
storm troops getting the blame. Not after their 'sterling work' during the Miners Strike. Even years
later, when the truth was pretty much known by all.....

A memo from a senior Civil Servant said that the Taylor Report would "sap confidence in the police force"
and could encourage aggressive behaviour by fans who would feel "vindicated" by its conclusions.
In a handwritten note, Mrs Thatcher made it clear that she did not want to give the government's full backing
to Lord Taylor's criticisms, only to the way in which he had conducted his inquiry and made recommendations
for action.

She wrote: "What do we mean by 'welcoming the broad thrust of the report'? The broad thrust is devastating
criticism of the police. Is that for us to welcome?

What that translates to is

"your report was brilliantly put together, well done"

"Dont call us, we'll call you, leave my coppers alone"

And do you SERIOUSLY believe the OB on the Guilford and Birmingham bombings
acted independantly of any Government pressure to find scapegoats.

Do you seriously think those sentences were from an impartial judge again, not
pressured from Government?

And that information came from the poice.

Did the British Govt blame that Army after 'Bloody Sunday'? No, they blamed the IRA.

It's a simple question.

Do you believe Thatcher was told the what really happened or was Thatcher just given the events based on what SYP reported?

You have a agenda against Thatcher.

That's pretty clear.

The report does not blame Thatcher, but you do?

The report places the blame fully on SYP and that's good enough for me.

And that information came from the poice.

Did the British Govt blame that Army after 'Bloody Sunday'? No, they blamed the IRA.

It's a simple question.

Do you believe Thatcher was told the what really happened or was Thatcher just given the events based on what SYP reported?

I believe (because its there in black and white) that Thatcher DID NOT WANT TO KNOW.

She would not give full government backing to the original Taylor Report:

She wrote: "What do we mean by 'welcoming the broad thrust of the report'? The broad thrust is devastating
criticism of the police. Is that for us to welcome?

Her own people as well as the Taylor Report told her that the Police were to blame for the tragedy.
So she knew all right. She chose to bury it. Now thats what i call complicity. She had the power to
start an enquiry the very next day. Can you give me any idea as to why she didn't?

there is no possible defence for Thatcher over all this.

You have a agenda against Thatcher.

That's pretty clear.

The report does not blame Thatcher, but you do?

The report places the blame fully on SYP and that's good enough for me.

There can be no doubt that senior officers made a decision, very quickly after the event, to control the potential damage or criticism of SYP and a decision was made to focus the story on drunken, ticketless Liverpool fans. This decision we now know to be completely untrue but in their frenzy to find any evidence of wrongdoing by Liverpool fans 10 year old children had their blood tested for alcohol levels, criminal record check were carried out and even though nothing was found to support the case they continued spreading and developing the lies.

This included telling that lie to Thatcher and her press secretary Bernard Ingram who then passed on that information in an informal briefing to the editor of the Sun, Kelvin MacKenzie knowing full well he was a staunch Thatcherite and from that the vile headline was printed. Thatcher appointed Ingram and being the control freak she is how can anyone doubt that she was aware her press secretary was passing on totally uncorroborated accusations.

As Prime Minister even if she was unaware Ingram was giving this information to the press, or more accurately to her biggest supporter in the press, the buck stops with her.

No one is saying she is responsible for the disaster, no one is saying she was responsible for starting this vile lie but she is responsible for anyone in her government, and as press secretary Ingram was a member of her cabinet, passing on this lie.

Taffyapple has included her comment about ""What do we mean by 'welcoming the broad thrust of the report'? The broad thrust is devastating criticism of the police. Is that for us to welcome?

Well Maggie yes we are happy to welcome the broad thrust of the report even if it is devastating for the police. Why? because it's the truth.

It is clear she was happy to "Control" any potential criticism and in my opinion that makes here as guilty as those of created and nourished this vile lie.

You have a agenda against Thatcher.

That's pretty clear.

The report does not blame Thatcher, but you do?

The report places the blame fully on SYP and that's good enough for me.

Thatcher did not CAUSE the tragedy. But she's in it up to her f*cking neck
as far as the cover-up went. She was the most powerful person in Britain.
The Taylor Report SLATED THE POLICE, cleared Liverpool fans of any
wrong doings. There should have been a full enquiry right then.

Ten year olds getting breathalysed before their bodys were cold

Police checks carried out on all 96 to try and slur the dead

If you read that, and were Prime Minister.....

Would you be tempted to investigate?

Someone made the decision to organise this massive cover up. It certainly wasn't a bunch of coppers coming together and deciding to do that.

Someone very high up MUST have ordered it, simple as.

Now on the weight of that. Thatcher prided herself on making sure she knew everything going on about everything. You can't have it both ways. She knew simple as that.

And this is just one of the many reasons why she will burn in hell. I hope she doesn't die for a long time thuogh, I want her to suffer in the same way she made her victims suffer.

You have a agenda against Thatcher.

That's pretty clear.

The report does not blame Thatcher, but you do?

The report places the blame fully on SYP and that's good enough for me.

Thatcher did not CAUSE the tragedy. But she's in it up to her f*cking neck
as far as the cover-up went. She was the most powerful person in Britain.
The Taylor Report SLATED THE POLICE, cleared Liverpool fans of any
wrong doings. There should have been a full enquiry right then.

Ten year olds getting breathalysed before their bodys were cold

Police checks carried out on all 96 to try and slur the dead

If you read that, and were Prime Minister.....

Would you be tempted to investigate?

Also. The investigation HAS NOT released the documents/faxes/notes and
communication between the SYP and Government. Or pretty much any of
the Governments responses/reactions.

I seriously believe the truth will out after the witch is dead and anyone who
blindly followed this Country wrecker will be left with egg on their faces

I detest Thatcher with a passion.

I do remember those times very well, she hated football & football fans, David Mellor said as much this morning on the radio. If she could have banned football at that time she would have. Don't forget it was a very different game then, nowadays everyone's into it but then football didn't have many friends.

She even went ahead with the bill for I.D. cards for fans AFTER Hillsborough and it was only because she was out on her ear the following year that they never came in.

^^^And there is the agenda. Thatcher wrecked this country and yet no Govt since has turned back on the policies created by Thatcher?

Has the private sector rushed in to re-open the coal mines?

EDIT - My post was aimed at TA.

I detest Thatcher with a passion.

I do remember those times very well, she hated football & football fans, David Mellor said as much this morning on the radio. If she could have banned football at that time she would have. Don't forget it was a very different game then, nowadays everyone's into it but then football didn't have many friends.

She even went ahead with the bill for I.D. cards for fans AFTER Hillsborough and it was only because she was out on her ear the following year that they never came in.

You think it was a mistake that Thatcher and her Govt went after the hooligans?

I detest Thatcher with a passion.

I do remember those times very well, she hated football & football fans, David Mellor said as much this morning on the radio. If she could have banned football at that time she would have. Don't forget it was a very different game then, nowadays everyone's into it but then football didn't have many friends.

She even went ahead with the bill for I.D. cards for fans AFTER Hillsborough and it was only because she was out on her ear the following year that they never came in.

You think it was a mistake that Thatcher and her Govt went after the hooligans?

I think you'll find that yeserdays revelations catagorically state that it was a mistake. If they hadn't treated those fans like hooligans in the first place, IF they had looked at them at the time as regular law abiding football fans then none of this would have happened.
The government, the police and the media at the time had them down as hooligans way before they got to the ground. Then they tried to prove it was their fault, simply by trying to pursuade everyone that they were hooligans.

So yes Thatchers policy on labelling every football fan as an hooligan was wrong.

The despicable old c**t was the driving force behind the Hillsborough cover-up

May her next shit be a hedgehog

Hate her as much as the next person but fail to see how she had anything to do with Hillsborough. But then again if you throw enough shit some of it might stick although it's not as if she needs more shit because by f**k she's covered in it already the witch.

She was part of the cover up and should be done for perverting the course of jusitce

That's not what the report says.

I detest Thatcher with a passion.

I do remember those times very well, she hated football & football fans, David Mellor said as much this morning on the radio. If she could have banned football at that time she would have. Don't forget it was a very different game then, nowadays everyone's into it but then football didn't have many friends.

She even went ahead with the bill for I.D. cards for fans AFTER Hillsborough and it was only because she was out on her ear the following year that they never came in.

You think it was a mistake that Thatcher and her Govt went after the hooligans?

I think you'll find that yeserdays revelations catagorically state that it was a mistake. If they hadn't treated those fans like hooligans in the first place, IF they had looked at them at the time as regular law abiding football fans then none of this would have happened.
The government, the police and the media at the time had them down as hooligans way before they got to the ground. Then they tried to prove it was their fault, simply by trying to pursuade everyone that they were hooligans.

So yes Thatchers policy on labelling every football fan as an hooligan was wrong.

That wasn't my question.

Did Thatcher make a mistake going after the hooligan problem within football?

The set up of the grounds - the fencing for example - was as a result of the hooligan problem within football.

Big Boss Man I couldn't agree with you more.

I'm not pro-Thatcher.

I just f*cking hate the fact that we pass the blame and always blame Govt.

Thatcher killed off the British car industry - No, she didn't. Us Brits didn't buy British.

Thatcher killed off the coal industry - No, again, we didn't buy British and wanted cheaper coal.

I could go on.

We failed to buy British. It's our fault.

That's not what the report says.

Thatcher wrote of The Taylor Report, some twenty years ago:

"What do we mean by 'welcoming the broad thrust of the report'? The broad thrust is devastating
criticism of the police. Is that for us to welcome?

She was the Prime minister. She was in possession of most of the same facts then as we are today

Ninety six innocent people (including women and children) died. The South Yorkshire Police
Force were implicated as MAJOR contributors to the tragedy.

Can you offer up ONE reason why the Prime Minister of the day did not order a full enquiry with a view
to criminal charges (if applicable) being made?

Just one

I'm not pro-Thatcher.

I just f*cking hate the fact that we pass the blame and always blame Govt.

Thatcher killed off the British car industry - No, she didn't. Us Brits didn't buy British.

Thatcher killed off the coal industry - No, again, we didn't buy British and wanted cheaper coal.

I could go on.

We failed to buy British. It's our fault.

The government could not be blamed for the actual tragedy.

But the facts were known South Yorkshire Police acted worse than most criminals in their
filthy lies to cover their own skin.

and Thatcher knew

Can't you see a pattern?

Both Bloody Sunday and this took over 20 years for the truth to come out.

Bloody Sunday happened in 1972! The Saville Inquiry was released in June of 2010!

Cameron was the 1st PM to admit fault!

Why do you think that is?

Can't you see a pattern?

Both Bloody Sunday and this took over 20 years for the truth to come out.

Bloody Sunday happened in 1972! The Saville Inquiry was released in June of 2010!

Cameron was the 1st PM to admit fault!

Why do you think that is?

I'm saying Thatcher was top of the tree, I'm saying she knew. I'm saying She put her
precious Yorkshire coppers ahead of innocent men women and children and allowed
them to cover it up. Thatcher knew. You know it, I know it. Everyone knows it. She
did f**k all.

f**k Bloody Sunday. Whoever was guilty of covering that up is as guilty as she is