The buck stops with Margaret Thatcher

There's nothing on the Government at the time yet people want to blame them. May I stated that these are the same people who defended the Liverpool fans against similar allagations. What we do know is that the Match Commander was corrupt as well as many others within the South Yorkshire Police force and the Ambulane Service. However if you were leading a country and the Police and Ambulance Service were telling you te same story then you would tend to believe it!!!

May I also remind the Socialists on here that for 13 of the 23 years since the incident it was actually Labour in control of he country so why wasn't this informaton brought out before the election year of 2010..?

More predictable bollocks and perhaps you should spend a few hours reading the details before making such assertions.


By the way you do realise it was the last Labour government that set up this independant panel.

Yes I do, however the cynic in me is saying that they only set it up because it was an election year and they were hoping that the moe would increase teir popularity otherwise why didn't they set it up 13 years previously when they were in control.?

Unbelieveable statement but then again it is you making it. Tell me are you going to start another thread about Boris Johnson for PM.

You know the same Boris Johnson who when editor of the Spectator magazine wrote that Liverpool fans should "Stop wallowing in their victim status" over Hillsbrough. Tell me what do you think of that idiot today I think you will find him desperately trying to find someone to interview on how spiffing the Olympics were.


Reading the panels findings and you will see reference to documents where Thatchers states she "Sensed Deceit" in what she was being told. But she did nothing; How does that work when you are Prime Minister.

An absolute disgrace that she sat back and did nothing other than awarding an OBE to the Chairman of Sheffield Wednesday. A club who operated a sports stadium without a safety certificate.

Blame Maggie if you want, but I'd rather see every journalist and police officer who benefited by lying to keep the truth under wraps hung out to dry like the filthy pricks they are.

As usual just jumping to conclusions that suit what you want to believe, and if you can't get what you want then make it up anyway.

100's of police said the scousers were to blame, as did the emergency services. Who do you expect the PM to believe?
Socialists had 13 years in power to sort this out and it took a Tory "toff" as you call him, to get it investigated.

Remember at the time there was a massive campaign to stop football hooliganism and this was used to change standing to seating arrangements, introduce heavy policing tactics, and proper enforceable stadium safety certificates.

Many Liverpool fans tried, and got in without tickets, which added to the problem, so they should look at themselves as contributory factors in what happened.

Anyone who has been to football in Yorkshire knows what scum the police were and still are up there.

But as I said you need to attack an old lady. Perhaps you could tell us when you (or a family member) is seriously ill and we can all have a beer. But then again I am not a twisted, vindictive person, who is looking to blame someone else for my shortcomings. lack of success in work, or personal life.

incidentally, I believe my eyes.

CCTV does not 'suggest' that there was no rush into the central holding pen.
It proves it 100%. People were just walking casually to their deaths and the
police did nothing

Blame Maggie if you want, but I'd rather see every journalist and police officer who benefited by lying to keep the truth under wraps hung out to dry like the filthy pricks they are.

Ditto.

But she f*cking knew. For years. She was protecting 'her own' she was
top of the pile. I'd hang the c**t.

for crimes against fashion if nothing else

Blame Maggie if you want, but I'd rather see every journalist and police officer who benefited by lying to keep the truth under wraps hung out to dry like the filthy pricks they are.

Ditto.

But she f*cking knew. For years. She was protecting 'her own' she was
top of the pile. I'd hang the c**t.

for crimes against fashion if nothing else

Good for her! Let's hope they hang tony blair and every other prime minister of this country. Cos every prime minister of this country have all been the same. They have all looked out for there own. People go on about maggie Thatcher!!! Atleast she had balls.

Blame Maggie if you want, but I'd rather see every journalist and police officer who benefited by lying to keep the truth under wraps hung out to dry like the filthy pricks they are.

Ditto.

But she f*cking knew. For years. She was protecting 'her own' she was
top of the pile. I'd hang the c**t.

for crimes against fashion if nothing else

Good for her! Let's hope they hang tony blair and every other prime minister of this country. Cos every prime minister of this country have all been the same. They have all looked out for there own. People go on about maggie Thatcher!!! Atleast she had balls.

Balls to do what, shit on her own people?

Blame Maggie if you want, but I'd rather see every journalist and police officer who benefited by lying to keep the truth under wraps hung out to dry like the filthy pricks they are.

Ditto.

But she f*cking knew. For years. She was protecting 'her own' she was
top of the pile. I'd hang the c**t.

for crimes against fashion if nothing else

Good for her! Let's hope they hang tony blair and every other prime minister of this country. Cos every prime minister of this country have all been the same. They have all looked out for there own. People go on about maggie Thatcher!!! Atleast she had balls.

Balls to do what, shit on her own people?

Maggie thatcher never shit on her own people!! She shit on the working class. Just like every prime minister does. Only most prime ministers try to hide it behind excuses and lies. Maggie thatcher was a kunt but she never tried to hide the fact that she was a kunt

Blame Maggie if you want, but I'd rather see every journalist and police officer who benefited by lying to keep the truth under wraps hung out to dry like the filthy pricks they are.

Ditto.

But she f*cking knew. For years. She was protecting 'her own' she was
top of the pile. I'd hang the c**t.

for crimes against fashion if nothing else

Good for her! Let's hope they hang tony blair and every other prime minister of this country. Cos every prime minister of this country have all been the same. They have all looked out for there own. People go on about maggie Thatcher!!! Atleast she had balls.

Balls to do what, shit on her own people?

Maggie thatcher never shit on her own people!! She shit on the working class. Just like every prime minister does. Only most prime ministers try to hide it behind excuses and lies. Maggie thatcher was a kunt but she never tried to hide the fact that she was a kunt

True. I meant people of her own nation, not of her "class." You hit the nail on the head, though.

As usual just jumping to conclusions that suit what you want to believe, and if you can't get what you want then make it up anyway.

100's of police said the scousers were to blame, as did the emergency services. Who do you expect the PM to believe?
Socialists had 13 years in power to sort this out and it took a Tory "toff" as you call him, to get it investigated.

Remember at the time there was a massive campaign to stop football hooliganism and this was used to change standing to seating arrangements, introduce heavy policing tactics, and proper enforceable stadium safety certificates.

Many Liverpool fans tried, and got in without tickets, which added to the problem, so they should look at themselves as contributory factors in what happened.

Anyone who has been to football in Yorkshire knows what scum the police were and still are up there.

But as I said you need to attack an old lady. Perhaps you could tell us when you (or a family member) is seriously ill and we can all have a beer. But then again I am not a twisted, vindictive person, who is looking to blame someone else for my shortcomings. lack of success in work, or personal life.

incidentally, I believe my eyes.

CCTV does not 'suggest' that there was no rush into the central holding pen.
It proves it 100%. People were just walking casually to their deaths and the
police did nothing

My understanding was the police opened the gates and everybody rushed to the centres aisle (which they could see) whereas the 2 sections either side of it were comparatively empty. If the police had directed people to either of the 2 side sections it would possibly not have created the crush in the centre section. So yes I do believe the police have to take the majority of the blame for the cause and the later covering up of what happened. My point is there is no point blaming the PM at the time, as several PM's since have had an opportrunity to reinvestigate and have not.

Didn't the police officer in charge take early retirement on sickness grounds? So avoiding prosecution for his part (allegedly).

We have all been to Yorkshire and been mistreated by their police (arrogant bullies as someone said), but if they say something happened in their hundreds with the backing of emergency services then how can the government go against it?
Even if they suspected it was lies, which it now seems it was.

As usual just jumping to conclusions that suit what you want to believe, and if you can't get what you want then make it up anyway.

100's of police said the scousers were to blame, as did the emergency services. Who do you expect the PM to believe?
Socialists had 13 years in power to sort this out and it took a Tory "toff" as you call him, to get it investigated.

Remember at the time there was a massive campaign to stop football hooliganism and this was used to change standing to seating arrangements, introduce heavy policing tactics, and proper enforceable stadium safety certificates.

Many Liverpool fans tried, and got in without tickets, which added to the problem, so they should look at themselves as contributory factors in what happened.

Anyone who has been to football in Yorkshire knows what scum the police were and still are up there.

But as I said you need to attack an old lady. Perhaps you could tell us when you (or a family member) is seriously ill and we can all have a beer. But then again I am not a twisted, vindictive person, who is looking to blame someone else for my shortcomings. lack of success in work, or personal life.

incidentally, I believe my eyes.

CCTV does not 'suggest' that there was no rush into the central holding pen.
It proves it 100%. People were just walking casually to their deaths and the
police did nothing

My understanding was the police opened the gates and everybody rushed to the centres aisle (which they could see) whereas the 2 sections either side of it were comparatively empty. If the police had directed people to either of the 2 side sections it would possibly not have created the crush in the centre section. So yes I do believe the police have to take the majority of the blame for the cause and the later covering up of what happened. My point is there is no point blaming the PM at the time, as several PM's since have had an opportrunity to reinvestigate and have not.

Didn't the police officer in charge take early retirement on sickness grounds? So avoiding prosecution for his part (allegedly).

We have all been to Yorkshire and been mistreated by their police (arrogant bullies as someone said), but if they say something happened in their hundreds with the backing of emergency services then how can the government go against it?
Even if they suspected it was lies, which it now seems it was.

So, she's exonerated because nobody since has investigated it? Interesting logic. You say they also couldn't go against the emergency services as they colluded - even if the government suspected so?!! Again, very strange comment.

Blame Maggie if you want, but I'd rather see every journalist and police officer who benefited by lying to keep the truth under wraps hung out to dry like the filthy pricks they are.

Ditto.

But she f*cking knew. For years. She was protecting 'her own' she was
top of the pile. I'd hang the c**t.

for crimes against fashion if nothing else

Good for her! Let's hope they hang tony blair and every other prime minister of this country. Cos every prime minister of this country have all been the same. They have all looked out for there own. People go on about maggie Thatcher!!! Atleast she had balls.

Ha ha Moz,By definition she was the first PM who didn't.(have balls)

As usual just jumping to conclusions that suit what you want to believe, and if you can't get what you want then make it up anyway.

100's of police said the scousers were to blame, as did the emergency services. Who do you expect the PM to believe?
Socialists had 13 years in power to sort this out and it took a Tory "toff" as you call him, to get it investigated.

Remember at the time there was a massive campaign to stop football hooliganism and this was used to change standing to seating arrangements, introduce heavy policing tactics, and proper enforceable stadium safety certificates.

Many Liverpool fans tried, and got in without tickets, which added to the problem, so they should look at themselves as contributory factors in what happened.

Anyone who has been to football in Yorkshire knows what scum the police were and still are up there.

But as I said you need to attack an old lady. Perhaps you could tell us when you (or a family member) is seriously ill and we can all have a beer. But then again I am not a twisted, vindictive person, who is looking to blame someone else for my shortcomings. lack of success in work, or personal life.

incidentally, I believe my eyes.

CCTV does not 'suggest' that there was no rush into the central holding pen.
It proves it 100%. People were just walking casually to their deaths and the
police did nothing

My understanding was the police opened the gates and everybody rushed to the centres aisle (which they could see) whereas the 2 sections either side of it were comparatively empty. If the police had directed people to either of the 2 side sections it would possibly not have created the crush in the centre section. So yes I do believe the police have to take the majority of the blame for the cause and the later covering up of what happened. My point is there is no point blaming the PM at the time, as several PM's since have had an opportrunity to reinvestigate and have not.

Didn't the police officer in charge take early retirement on sickness grounds? So avoiding prosecution for his part (allegedly).

We have all been to Yorkshire and been mistreated by their police (arrogant bullies as someone said), but if they say something happened in their hundreds with the backing of emergency services then how can the government go against it?
Even if they suspected it was lies, which it now seems it was.

So, she's exonerated because nobody since has investigated it? Interesting logic. You say they also couldn't go against the emergency services as they colluded - even if the government suspected so?!! Again, very strange comment.

If you say she is responsible, what about all the PM's since? That is the logic. Are they all to blame? There has been enough media attention for it not to be forgotten.
If the government accused the police and emergency services of corruption, (or colluding in it) what effect would that have? Can you imagine the opposition parties, Mirror/Guardian etc, they would have a field day and it would probably bring down the government. Accusing the basic (almost cornerstones of society which many rely on) of being murderers, liars and corrupt. That is the logic.

As usual just jumping to conclusions that suit what you want to believe, and if you can't get what you want then make it up anyway.

100's of police said the scousers were to blame, as did the emergency services. Who do you expect the PM to believe?
Socialists had 13 years in power to sort this out and it took a Tory "toff" as you call him, to get it investigated.

Remember at the time there was a massive campaign to stop football hooliganism and this was used to change standing to seating arrangements, introduce heavy policing tactics, and proper enforceable stadium safety certificates.

Many Liverpool fans tried, and got in without tickets, which added to the problem, so they should look at themselves as contributory factors in what happened.

Anyone who has been to football in Yorkshire knows what scum the police were and still are up there.

But as I said you need to attack an old lady. Perhaps you could tell us when you (or a family member) is seriously ill and we can all have a beer. But then again I am not a twisted, vindictive person, who is looking to blame someone else for my shortcomings. lack of success in work, or personal life.

incidentally, I believe my eyes.

CCTV does not 'suggest' that there was no rush into the central holding pen.
It proves it 100%. People were just walking casually to their deaths and the
police did nothing

My understanding was the police opened the gates and everybody rushed to the centres aisle (which they could see) whereas the 2 sections either side of it were comparatively empty. If the police had directed people to either of the 2 side sections it would possibly not have created the crush in the centre section. So yes I do believe the police have to take the majority of the blame for the cause and the later covering up of what happened. My point is there is no point blaming the PM at the time, as several PM's since have had an opportrunity to reinvestigate and have not.

Didn't the police officer in charge take early retirement on sickness grounds? So avoiding prosecution for his part (allegedly).

We have all been to Yorkshire and been mistreated by their police (arrogant bullies as someone said), but if they say something happened in their hundreds with the backing of emergency services then how can the government go against it?
Even if they suspected it was lies, which it now seems it was.

So, she's exonerated because nobody since has investigated it? Interesting logic. You say they also couldn't go against the emergency services as they colluded - even if the government suspected so?!! Again, very strange comment.

If you say she is responsible, what about all the PM's since? That is the logic. Are they all to blame? There has been enough media attention for it not to be forgotten.
If the government accused the police and emergency services of corruption, (or colluding in it) what effect would that have? Can you imagine the opposition parties, Mirror/Guardian etc, they would have a field day and it would probably bring down the government. Accusing the basic (almost cornerstones of society which many rely on) of being murderers, liars and corrupt. That is the logic.

That is your logic, which I find strange.

As usual just jumping to conclusions that suit what you want to believe, and if you can't get what you want then make it up anyway.

100's of police said the scousers were to blame, as did the emergency services. Who do you expect the PM to believe?
Socialists had 13 years in power to sort this out and it took a Tory "toff" as you call him, to get it investigated.

Remember at the time there was a massive campaign to stop football hooliganism and this was used to change standing to seating arrangements, introduce heavy policing tactics, and proper enforceable stadium safety certificates.

Many Liverpool fans tried, and got in without tickets, which added to the problem, so they should look at themselves as contributory factors in what happened.

Anyone who has been to football in Yorkshire knows what scum the police were and still are up there.

But as I said you need to attack an old lady. Perhaps you could tell us when you (or a family member) is seriously ill and we can all have a beer. But then again I am not a twisted, vindictive person, who is looking to blame someone else for my shortcomings. lack of success in work, or personal life.

incidentally, I believe my eyes.

CCTV does not 'suggest' that there was no rush into the central holding pen.
It proves it 100%. People were just walking casually to their deaths and the
police did nothing

My understanding was the police opened the gates and everybody rushed to the centres aisle (which they could see) whereas the 2 sections either side of it were comparatively empty. If the police had directed people to either of the 2 side sections it would possibly not have created the crush in the centre section. So yes I do believe the police have to take the majority of the blame for the cause and the later covering up of what happened. My point is there is no point blaming the PM at the time, as several PM's since have had an opportrunity to reinvestigate and have not.

Didn't the police officer in charge take early retirement on sickness grounds? So avoiding prosecution for his part (allegedly).

We have all been to Yorkshire and been mistreated by their police (arrogant bullies as someone said), but if they say something happened in their hundreds with the backing of emergency services then how can the government go against it?
Even if they suspected it was lies, which it now seems it was.

So, she's exonerated because nobody since has investigated it? Interesting logic. You say they also couldn't go against the emergency services as they colluded - even if the government suspected so?!! Again, very strange comment.

If you say she is responsible, what about all the PM's since? That is the logic. Are they all to blame? There has been enough media attention for it not to be forgotten.
If the government accused the police and emergency services of corruption, (or colluding in it) what effect would that have? Can you imagine the opposition parties, Mirror/Guardian etc, they would have a field day and it would probably bring down the government. Accusing the basic (almost cornerstones of society which many rely on) of being murderers, liars and corrupt. That is the logic.

That is your logic, which I find strange.

I don't see why, but that is what I think. I also think it is time for Dallas.
So good night and may we communicate again. In the meantime, bring on dirty weeds on saturday.

There's nothing on the Government at the time yet people want to blame them. May I stated that these are the same people who defended the Liverpool fans against similar allagations. What we do know is that the Match Commander was corrupt as well as many others within the South Yorkshire Police force and the Ambulane Service. However if you were leading a country and the Police and Ambulance Service were telling you te same story then you would tend to believe it!!!

May I also remind the Socialists on here that for 13 of the 23 years since the incident it was actually Labour in control of he country so why wasn't this informaton brought out before the election year of 2010..?

More predictable bollocks and perhaps you should spend a few hours reading the details before making such assertions.


By the way you do realise it was the last Labour government that set up this independant panel.

Yes I do, however the cynic in me is saying that they only set it up because it was an election year and they were hoping that the moe would increase teir popularity otherwise why didn't they set it up 13 years previously when they were in control.?

Unbelieveable statement but then again it is you making it. Tell me are you going to start another thread about Boris Johnson for PM.

You know the same Boris Johnson who when editor of the Spectator magazine wrote that Liverpool fans should "Stop wallowing in their victim status" over Hillsbrough. Tell me what do you think of that idiot today I think you will find him desperately trying to find someone to interview on how spiffing the Olympics were.


Reading the panels findings and you will see reference to documents where Thatchers states she "Sensed Deceit" in what she was being told. But she did nothing; How does that work when you are Prime Minister.

An absolute disgrace that she sat back and did nothing other than awarding an OBE to the Chairman of Sheffield Wednesday. A club who operated a sports stadium without a safety certificate.

Whats unbelieveable about it..? They are an unpopular Labour Government who would have done anything to win the election bearing in mind they done f**k all about it when they were popular the previous 13 years!!!

Bugger all to do with socialism. Any idiot branding Labour as 'socialists' are massively ignorant to say the least.

Wow what a spineless bunch of turds you are,not just verbally abusing a very frail old woman,but using such words of hatred,words i would never have used against Scargill,although i disliked that man with a passion,if you Taffyapple and all who support you, cant make valid political points without descending into the gutter,then god help us all as a country.......you disgust me

Yeah i'll continue to abuse her as well like the vile and vindictive bitch she is. May she rot in hell.

The despicable old c**t was the driving force behind the Hillsborough cover-up

May her next shit be a hedgehog

Lad the buck stops with the old bill and you know it lad

Understand your point but she was clearly protecting her own and they had previous.

1) She either worked in cooperation of the doctoring with SYP to help assist the cover up.

2) She took SYP's report as gospel instead of gaining the true facts of the events

1 is definitely more plausible. Thatcher isn't a stupid woman. She is in fact very smart, very manipulate and got her own way a lot of time by being an evil bint. She ruined people's lives and many from our home nation.

There is no way she was so naive she just went with SYP report. She clearly worked in cooperation to protect her boys to stop any damage they would have taken deflecting back on her. Essentially she was protecting them so in the big picture she was protecting herself.

State funeral for an evil vindictive cow like that? No wonder people decide not to pay a lot of tax. It could be money better spent helping those decent members of society, those in care, etc. to get a foot in life.

She should just be strapped to the underside of a military plane on route to a war zone and dropped straight into a volcano.

Blame Maggie if you want, but I'd rather see every journalist and police officer who benefited by lying to keep the truth under wraps hung out to dry like the filthy pricks they are.

No one could reasonably say that Thatcher was to blame for this disaster but that's not what the OP is saying. Taff is saying that the buck stops with her andmake no mistake this investigation has uncovered a direct link between her office and the campaign to smear the Liverpool fans.

The Downing Street Press Secretary, Bernard Ingram, is shown to have briefed the media or more accurately Kelvin MacKenzie the then editor of the Sun newspapers. Then guess what the Sun publish that vile front page.

There is a direct link between Downing Street and the smear campaign and as Prime Minister at the time Thatcher is ultimately responsible for any and every action of her government.

As Taff says The Buck Stops With Her.

Blame Maggie if you want, but I'd rather see every journalist and police officer who benefited by lying to keep the truth under wraps hung out to dry like the filthy pricks they are.

No one could reasonably say that Thatcher was to blame for this disaster but that's not what the OP is saying. Taff is saying that the buck stops with her andmake no mistake this investigation has uncovered a direct link between her office and the campaign to smear the Liverpool fans.

The Downing Street Press Secretary, Bernard Ingram, is shown to have briefed the media or more accurately Kelvin MacKenzie the then editor of the Sun newspapers. Then guess what the Sun publish that vile front page.

There is a direct link between Downing Street and the smear campaign and as Prime Minister at the time Thatcher is ultimately responsible for any and every action of her government.

As Taff says The Buck Stops With Her.

What a load of rubbish!!! Is it proven that Kelvin MacKenzie took the vast majority of the Sun's report from local media who had already spoken to Police Officers!!!

Using your analogy is every Prime Mnister over years ultimately responsible for every death whenever the Police involved..? Was it Camerons fault that the 'Big Issue' seller who was killed by the Police Officer in the London.?

Talking out of your backside

The despicable old c**t was the driving force behind the Hillsborough cover-up

May her next shit be a hedgehog

Lad the buck stops with the old bill and you know it lad

Understand your point but she was clearly protecting her own and they had previous.

1) She either worked in cooperation of the doctoring with SYP to help assist the cover up.

2) She took SYP's report as gospel instead of gaining the true facts of the events

1 is definitely more plausible. Thatcher isn't a stupid woman. She is in fact very smart, very manipulate and got her own way a lot of time by being an evil bint. She ruined people's lives and many from our home nation.

There is no way she was so naive she just went with SYP report. She clearly worked in cooperation to protect her boys to stop any damage they would have taken deflecting back on her. Essentially she was protecting them so in the big picture she was protecting herself.

State funeral for an evil vindictive cow like that? No wonder people decide not to pay a lot of tax. It could be money better spent helping those decent members of society, those in care, etc. to get a foot in life.

She should just be strapped to the underside of a military plane on route to a war zone and dropped straight into a volcano.

Can I ask you how old you are..?

There's nothing on the Government at the time yet people want to blame them. May I stated that these are the same people who defended the Liverpool fans against similar allagations. What we do know is that the Match Commander was corrupt as well as many others within the South Yorkshire Police force and the Ambulane Service. However if you were leading a country and the Police and Ambulance Service were telling you te same story then you would tend to believe it!!!

May I also remind the Socialists on here that for 13 of the 23 years since the incident it was actually Labour in control of he country so why wasn't this informaton brought out before the election year of 2010..?

More predictable bollocks and perhaps you should spend a few hours reading the details before making such assertions.


By the way you do realise it was the last Labour government that set up this independant panel.

Yes I do, however the cynic in me is saying that they only set it up because it was an election year and they were hoping that the moe would increase teir popularity otherwise why didn't they set it up 13 years previously when they were in control.?

Unbelieveable statement but then again it is you making it. Tell me are you going to start another thread about Boris Johnson for PM.

You know the same Boris Johnson who when editor of the Spectator magazine wrote that Liverpool fans should "Stop wallowing in their victim status" over Hillsbrough. Tell me what do you think of that idiot today I think you will find him desperately trying to find someone to interview on how spiffing the Olympics were.


Reading the panels findings and you will see reference to documents where Thatchers states she "Sensed Deceit" in what she was being told. But she did nothing; How does that work when you are Prime Minister.

An absolute disgrace that she sat back and did nothing other than awarding an OBE to the Chairman of Sheffield Wednesday. A club who operated a sports stadium without a safety certificate.

Whats unbelieveable about it..? They are an unpopular Labour Government who would have done anything to win the election bearing in mind they done f**k all about it when they were popular the previous 13 years!!!

It's unbelieveable because at NO time during the election campaign did Labour make any reference whatsoever to Hillsbrough and yet you are prepared to make a disgusting claim that they only set up this panel knowing it would report after the 2010 election. Why?

This has never been about party politics but getting at the truth however you are prepared to make it so in your comment about "Socialists". This shows you are prepared to lower this debate to your normal level where reality doesn't exist.

I hope that mediawales pick up on this statement and out you "again" for this. If they do I suppose we can all wait for your standard excuse about your account being hacked.

By the way I notice you didn't comment on your mate Boris. Hmmm I wonder why.

Blame Maggie if you want, but I'd rather see every journalist and police officer who benefited by lying to keep the truth under wraps hung out to dry like the filthy pricks they are.

No one could reasonably say that Thatcher was to blame for this disaster but that's not what the OP is saying. Taff is saying that the buck stops with her andmake no mistake this investigation has uncovered a direct link between her office and the campaign to smear the Liverpool fans.

The Downing Street Press Secretary, Bernard Ingram, is shown to have briefed the media or more accurately Kelvin MacKenzie the then editor of the Sun newspapers. Then guess what the Sun publish that vile front page.

There is a direct link between Downing Street and the smear campaign and as Prime Minister at the time Thatcher is ultimately responsible for any and every action of her government.

As Taff says The Buck Stops With Her.

What a load of rubbish!!! Is it proven that Kelvin MacKenzie took the vast majority of the Sun's report from local media who had already spoken to Police Officers!!!

Using your analogy is every Prime Mnister over years ultimately responsible for every death whenever the Police involved..? Was it Camerons fault that the 'Big Issue' seller who was killed by the Police Officer in the London.?

Talking out of your backside

Still haven't read the panels findings then.


Says it all about you doesn't it.

Blame Maggie if you want, but I'd rather see every journalist and police officer who benefited by lying to keep the truth under wraps hung out to dry like the filthy pricks they are.

No one could reasonably say that Thatcher was to blame for this disaster but that's not what the OP is saying. Taff is saying that the buck stops with her andmake no mistake this investigation has uncovered a direct link between her office and the campaign to smear the Liverpool fans.

The Downing Street Press Secretary, Bernard Ingram, is shown to have briefed the media or more accurately Kelvin MacKenzie the then editor of the Sun newspapers. Then guess what the Sun publish that vile front page.

There is a direct link between Downing Street and the smear campaign and as Prime Minister at the time Thatcher is ultimately responsible for any and every action of her government.

As Taff says The Buck Stops With Her.

What a load of rubbish!!! Is it proven that Kelvin MacKenzie took the vast majority of the Sun's report from local media who had already spoken to Police Officers!!!

Using your analogy is every Prime Mnister over years ultimately responsible for every death whenever the Police involved..? Was it Camerons fault that the 'Big Issue' seller who was killed by the Police Officer in the London.?

Talking out of your backside

Still haven't read the panels findings then.


Says it all about you doesn't it.

Her Press Sec' tells he media the following day what the head of the Police and Ambulance Service have told them!!! Do you reall expect the Prime Minister not to make a comment on one of the worst events in the Countries Sporting History until a full investigtion (which would take years!!). If she didn't say anything then she would have been critised for that!!!

The despicable old c**t was the driving force behind the Hillsborough cover-up

May her next shit be a hedgehog

I've been reading the panels website this afternoon Taff and one of the first things that I looked at was Thatchers involvement and the first thing I noticed was a letter from her to Bert McGee, Chairman of Sheffield Wednesday offering her condolences on the disaster.

It does beg the question why she didn't ask the man what the f**k he was doing operating a sports stadium without a safety certificate. No she went on to award him an OBE for services to Sheffield which given what we have learned today beggars belief.

In comparison she received a letter from a Liverpool fan regarding his experiences at Hillsborough that tragic day, she gave it to the Home Office to reply which speaks volumes on her opinion of football fans.


Considering that South Yorkshire police did such a wonderful job of beating up miners during the strike is it such a big leap to think she was never going to do anything to expose them for the bullies and liars they are.

I've heard everyone being blamed for their part in this but nothing about the FA who awarded such a high profile match to a stadium without the necessary safety certificates.

It's unbelieveable because at NO time during the election campaign did Labour make any reference whatsoever to Hillsbrough and yet you are prepared to make a disgusting claim that they only set up this panel knowing it would report after the 2010 election. Why?

This has never been about party politics but getting at the truth however you are prepared to make it so in your comment about "Socialists". This shows you are prepared to lower this debate to your normal level where reality doesn't exist.

I hope that mediawales pick up on this statement and out you "again" for this. If they do I suppose we can all wait for your standard excuse about your account being hacked.

By the way I notice you didn't comment on your mate Boris. Hmmm I wonder why.

What are you saying that all political parties publicly state when they want to play the dirty tricks game..? Don't make me laugh

As usual just jumping to conclusions that suit what you want to believe, and if you can't get what you want then make it up anyway.

100's of police said the scousers were to blame, as did the emergency services. Who do you expect the PM to believe?
Socialists had 13 years in power to sort this out and it took a Tory "toff" as you call him, to get it investigated.

Remember at the time there was a massive campaign to stop football hooliganism and this was used to change standing to seating arrangements, introduce heavy policing tactics, and proper enforceable stadium safety certificates.

Many Liverpool fans tried, and got in without tickets, which added to the problem, so they should look at themselves as contributory factors in what happened.

Anyone who has been to football in Yorkshire knows what scum the police were and still are up there.

But as I said you need to attack an old lady. Perhaps you could tell us when you (or a family member) is seriously ill and we can all have a beer. But then again I am not a twisted, vindictive person, who is looking to blame someone else for my shortcomings. lack of success in work, or personal life.

incidentally, I believe my eyes.

CCTV does not 'suggest' that there was no rush into the central holding pen.
It proves it 100%. People were just walking casually to their deaths and the
police did nothing

My understanding was the police opened the gates and everybody rushed to the centres aisle (which they could see) whereas the 2 sections either side of it were comparatively empty. If the police had directed people to either of the 2 side sections it would possibly not have created the crush in the centre section. So yes I do believe the police have to take the majority of the blame for the cause and the later covering up of what happened. My point is there is no point blaming the PM at the time, as several PM's since have had an opportrunity to reinvestigate and have not.

Didn't the police officer in charge take early retirement on sickness grounds? So avoiding prosecution for his part (allegedly).

We have all been to Yorkshire and been mistreated by their police (arrogant bullies as someone said), but if they say something happened in their hundreds with the backing of emergency services then how can the government go against it?
Even if they suspected it was lies, which it now seems it was.

You really should check the FACTS on all this mate.

Because your 'understanding' is based on 20 odd years of lies.

CCTV clearly shows there was no mad rush up that centre aisle. CCTV shows a huge crush outside
but once fans got in through the turnstile, they were calm, took their time and did not rush up the
stairs. The POLICE were monitoring it all on CCTC. They claimed there was a rush up the steps?
Not at all. One copper on the steps could have calmly diverted fans to the side pens, thats how
easy it would have been. The police fucked up from start to finish.

How on earth could the Chief of Police avoid prosecution by retiring? It would be like me murdering
some lad on site and getting away with it cos i left the job??? He got away with it because of a
concerted effort at GOVERNMENT level to exonorate the Police of all blame. That HAD to have been
done at the highest level.... Thatcher!!

The Sun, and Ingham were masterstrokes of misdirection..... Joe Public were left with the old 'no smoke
without fire' syndrome. Most thought there was something dodgy about the police actions that day but
it was diluted by the calculated vicious lies about the fans.

To do police checks on 96 dead people was nothing short of revolting. it makes my stomach churn even
now.

they checked the alcohol levels on a 10 yr old dead boy for fucks sake.

f*cking stick politics and political allegiances up your arses. This is not about that. Thatcher
presided over one of the most disgusting events in British History. She knew. She was aware
of the facts. But 96 dead pissheads and hooligans sounded much better than the truth!!!!!!!!

One day HER statements and HER notes/comments will all come out. I daresay it will be after
the filthy c**t is finally dead. She can have her state funeral, nobody can touch her, bless her.

She's just a frail old woman struggling to pay her winter fuel bills, living in fear of rising crime
and afraid to leave her house.

Oh, hang on. Thats the poor old British pensioners SHE fucked over

It's unbelieveable because at NO time during the election campaign did Labour make any reference whatsoever to Hillsbrough and yet you are prepared to make a disgusting claim that they only set up this panel knowing it would report after the 2010 election. Why?

This has never been about party politics but getting at the truth however you are prepared to make it so in your comment about "Socialists". This shows you are prepared to lower this debate to your normal level where reality doesn't exist.

I hope that mediawales pick up on this statement and out you "again" for this. If they do I suppose we can all wait for your standard excuse about your account being hacked.

By the way I notice you didn't comment on your mate Boris. Hmmm I wonder why.

What are you saying that all political parties publicly state when they want to play the dirty tricks game..? Don't make me laugh

What I'm saying is that in this whole debate you are the only one suggesting that this issue in some way relates to a dirty tricks game involving polictical parties.

Keep it up Adam mediawales are watching; Trust me they are watching.

It's unbelieveable because at NO time during the election campaign did Labour make any reference whatsoever to Hillsbrough and yet you are prepared to make a disgusting claim that they only set up this panel knowing it would report after the 2010 election. Why?

This has never been about party politics but getting at the truth however you are prepared to make it so in your comment about "Socialists". This shows you are prepared to lower this debate to your normal level where reality doesn't exist.

I hope that mediawales pick up on this statement and out you "again" for this. If they do I suppose we can all wait for your standard excuse about your account being hacked.

By the way I notice you didn't comment on your mate Boris. Hmmm I wonder why.

What are you saying that all political parties publicly state when they want to play the dirty tricks game..? Don't make me laugh

What I'm saying is that in this whole debate you are the only one suggesting that this issue in some way relates to a dirty tricks game involving polictical parties.

Keep it up Adam mediawales are watching; Trust me they are watching.

so why didn't they do anything 13 years prior then.?

It's unbelieveable because at NO time during the election campaign did Labour make any reference whatsoever to Hillsbrough and yet you are prepared to make a disgusting claim that they only set up this panel knowing it would report after the 2010 election. Why?

This has never been about party politics but getting at the truth however you are prepared to make it so in your comment about "Socialists". This shows you are prepared to lower this debate to your normal level where reality doesn't exist.

I hope that mediawales pick up on this statement and out you "again" for this. If they do I suppose we can all wait for your standard excuse about your account being hacked.

By the way I notice you didn't comment on your mate Boris. Hmmm I wonder why.

What are you saying that all political parties publicly state when they want to play the dirty tricks game..? Don't make me laugh

What I'm saying is that in this whole debate you are the only one suggesting that this issue in some way relates to a dirty tricks game involving polictical parties.

Keep it up Adam mediawales are watching; Trust me they are watching.

MediaWales are all Labour anyway so who really gives a shit what they think