Swansea Bid for Thomas Ince

Tomorrow will no doubt be a tough game against a bloody good side. 2 traditional clubs plying their trade in the premiership. You can't beat it or buy it.

Could be a belter tomorrow! I fancy us to sneak it by the odd goal in three, but West Ham look far more solid in defence than QPR.

Yours were innocent parties. Sam is the cause of his own debt and much of the problem we have now.
Yours were shafted without a choice, Sam has been able to negotiate in open circumstances.
Sams debt was made by himself, your creditors sold stuff or gave services in good faith...
The size of the debt matters not, its all about principle - but given you constantly try to pretend it never happened I guess thats lost on you.

I could go on, but you don't really deserve the free lessons in business finance I give you.

You jacks make me laugh, not enough to have a brilliant team and enjoying the best spell of your history you still feel the need to engage in discussions like this where you clearly have nowhere to turn.

I respectfully disagree.

I've certainly never tried to claim our problems didn't happen, that would be nonsensical. But our board have run our club superbly in the 10 years since then. How about yours?[/quote]

What do you disagree about ? Those are facts.

You've gone bust- twice. We haven't. Simple.

True or not.

Oh and your Chairman stiffed a whole load of other creditors with his own business,so yes he might have done well for you (although with a huge amount of help from martinez and Morgan), but the very fact he f'cked his own business up meakes me beleive he's been lucky rather than clever.

Our club, well its been poorly run, but again, one result away from being a success (play-off final) wheras you were one result away from going backwards, (play-off final) with a significant financial loss and a load of players out of contract or in their last year. Good luck to you, no-one turns luck down. Thats football.[/quote]

We've gone bust once, in the 80s. We didn't go bust in '02.

Our chairman's own business has absolutely nothing to do with this. I don't know the reasons for his business failing and I'm guessing neither do you. But the fact is, his chairmanship of my club has been first class. Show me a better chairman over the last 10 years.

We wouldn't have had a loss if we'd lost the play off final as a) our loss that year was as a result of promotion bonuses, and b) we would have had the gate receipts from Wembley.

Those are the actual facts.

Not denying we've had a bit of luck along the way, but show me a successful club that hasn't.[/quote]

£8m promotion bonuses (less the Wembley money which by the way you probably wouldn't have got if Tate had been penalised for his handball in the first leg). Dream on. You gambled, not majorly but you did all the same.

Your chairman's business has EVERYTHING to do with this if you are praising him up.

In 2002 you stiffed your creditors with a CVA, the rules were changed to stop clubs like yours avoiding their responsibilities and shafting innocents over.[/quote]

Yes, around £8m promotion bonuses. Made up of player bonuses, transfer add on clauses and loan add on clauses. If we'd lost we'd have had around £3m gate receipts and no promotion bonuses.

Jenkins' business has nothing to do with his Chairmanship of SCFC, other than the likelihood it had a detrimental effect on his stewardship of his business due to his time commitments with the club. But again, that's just an assumption. BTW, you didn't answer the question on this.

Aye, we "stiffed" our local creditors to the tune of around £60k. Most of which have benefited greatly from the club still being in business and have made far more money off us as a result. Some "stiffing" that eh?[/quote]

Sorry don't beleive you. £8m of promotion bonuses -that was 2/3 of your turnover, care to show me some evidence as I honestly think you are making it up as you go along.

And as for the £60k figure it was irrelevent, as mentioned before its principle. Something you and your dodgy chairman seem to have no idea about.

Jenkins business interest absolutely have relevence, his work with Casey's shows he's got a history of putting businesses through. How can that not be relevent. Fair play, not many can screw up running a builders merchants.

What was your question ?


What was your question ?[/quote]

Tim , or should i address you as Lord Sugar?

I'm sorry to point out --- but more companies have been put through by your board members than Swansea's so I would look a little closer to home before preaching your vast knowledge.[/quote]






who could be arsed to read this bellends novel

Yours were innocent parties. Sam is the cause of his own debt and much of the problem we have now.
Yours were shafted without a choice, Sam has been able to negotiate in open circumstances.
Sams debt was made by himself, your creditors sold stuff or gave services in good faith...
The size of the debt matters not, its all about principle - but given you constantly try to pretend it never happened I guess thats lost on you.

I could go on, but you don't really deserve the free lessons in business finance I give you.

You jacks make me laugh, not enough to have a brilliant team and enjoying the best spell of your history you still feel the need to engage in discussions like this where you clearly have nowhere to turn.

I respectfully disagree.

I've certainly never tried to claim our problems didn't happen, that would be nonsensical. But our board have run our club superbly in the 10 years since then. How about yours?

What do you disagree about ? Those are facts.

You've gone bust- twice. We haven't. Simple.

True or not.

Oh and your Chairman stiffed a whole load of other creditors with his own business,so yes he might have done well for you (although with a huge amount of help from martinez and Morgan), but the very fact he f'cked his own business up meakes me beleive he's been lucky rather than clever.

Our club, well its been poorly run, but again, one result away from being a success (play-off final) wheras you were one result away from going backwards, (play-off final) with a significant financial loss and a load of players out of contract or in their last year. Good luck to you, no-one turns luck down. Thats football.

We've gone bust once, in the 80s. We didn't go bust in '02.

Our chairman's own business has absolutely nothing to do with this. I don't know the reasons for his business failing and I'm guessing neither do you. But the fact is, his chairmanship of my club has been first class. Show me a better chairman over the last 10 years.

We wouldn't have had a loss if we'd lost the play off final as a) our loss that year was as a result of promotion bonuses, and b) we would have had the gate receipts from Wembley.

Those are the actual facts.

Not denying we've had a bit of luck along the way, but show me a successful club that hasn't.

£8m promotion bonuses (less the Wembley money which by the way you probably wouldn't have got if Tate had been penalised for his handball in the first leg). Dream on. You gambled, not majorly but you did all the same.

Your chairman's business has EVERYTHING to do with this if you are praising him up.

In 2002 you stiffed your creditors with a CVA, the rules were changed to stop clubs like yours avoiding their responsibilities and shafting innocents over.

We've run the club sustainably, and haven't gambled as we didn't borrow any money in the Championship. And you don't know what the promotion bonuses were, neither do we but I can guarentee you we will see profit from the 2011/2012 season. You lost more money than we did in that 2010/2011 season.

And is it just me or did we win the play off semi final by two goals. And if your going to go on about refereeing decisions, Borini was brought down by Wes Morgan as the last man and no pen was given. We were the best team in the play offs and deserved to go up. So bitter

And as for the money involved of course it is relevant. You know full well that £60k isn't comparable with the amount that you are trying to shaft Sam Hamman out of. If I didn't pay someone back £1, it's in the same category as not paying back £100,000 and that's how silly you going on about the £60k like a broken record sounds like.

Would be a good signing if they can pull it off

I thought the point of this forum was to discuss Cardiff City, not what is going on in that heroin infested shithole 40 miles west.

So bitter!

Don't let it show mun, you'll only make us laugh.

My spelling and grammer aint the best i agree,however there are not many posters on here who are perfect.
And lets face it it is only a message board after all!u dont get points for picking out faults with other posters mistakes,infact the truth is u are letting your selfs look the fools by not comming back with a decent respones.
Anyway back to facts hows red dragons doing?now there is a total embarrasment how most of u bent over and shit on your history and rootes just so a asian an have a new toy to play with
How can anyone who agreed to this slag anyone els off???
Plastic fans

I'm not certain you are actually real. Most likely made up by Annis to get more hits

Perhapss you think we should have gone under and started off as a new club say cardiff City 2012 (bit like SCFC1996, or SCFC2003) . Maybe we feel more pride in surviving our financial issues rather than cowardly walking away from our responsibilities.

Are you paying Hammam the full amount owed now then?

You're like a cracked record. Go out, meet people, maybe get a girlfriend or something

My wife wouldn't approve I wouldn't have thought. But nice effort to ignore the point nonetheless.

Bet she's a munter hahahah