Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:42 pm
Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:45 pm
Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:55 pm
RoathMagic wrote:Will make it worse.
We can't afford to pay our own players without loans let alone more big players on top.
See Portsmouth.
Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:58 pm
Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:03 pm
Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:06 pm
Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:06 pm
Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:07 pm
Canton stand baz wrote:Just wondering about this as I have always been flexible to the idea to make the next big step.
Will one or 2 real anti change raise an eyebrow and think, ok I can go with this!!
Prob going over old ground here but we are potentially signing massive players here!!
Very exciting in my opinion
Plus we still have the that will be our identity!!
Also we're mad and welsh when we travel away!!! That's our identity
Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:14 pm
RoathMagic wrote:Will make it worse.
We can't afford to pay our own players without loans let alone more big players on top.
See Portsmouth.
Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:21 pm
Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:22 pm
Daniel M wrote:RoathMagic wrote:Will make it worse.
We can't afford to pay our own players without loans let alone more big players on top.
See Portsmouth.
Although you are generally negative in a sense you are correct in terms of finances long term, however if you look at it in the long term the more we spend now on players although it means extra costs it increases the chances of promotion which will give us far more money and help us pay off a lot of debt.
Look at West Ham they had 100m debt coming down from the Prem, spent around 10m increasing that debt but then they got promoted so the extra costs in the short run benefited them, although it is a gamble.
Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:22 pm
BluebirdJM wrote:not sure, the thing tHat will sway most is when langston is sorted IMO. once/if they get us out of debt they will deserve praise
Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:23 pm
Daniel M wrote:RoathMagic wrote:Will make it worse.
We can't afford to pay our own players without loans let alone more big players on top.
See Portsmouth.
Although you are generally negative in a sense you are correct in terms of finances long term, however if you look at it in the long term the more we spend now on players although it means extra costs it increases the chances of promotion which will give us far more money and help us pay off a lot of debt.
Look at West Ham they had 100m debt coming down from the Prem, spent around 10m increasing that debt but then they got promoted so the extra costs in the short run benefited them, although it is a gamble.
Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:25 pm
RoathMagic wrote:BluebirdJM wrote:not sure, the thing tHat will sway most is when langston is sorted IMO. once/if they get us out of debt they will deserve praise
But we wil then be in debt to them. It's just switching who we owe it to.
Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:25 pm
bridgendbluebird30 wrote:Daniel M wrote:RoathMagic wrote:Will make it worse.
We can't afford to pay our own players without loans let alone more big players on top.
See Portsmouth.
Although you are generally negative in a sense you are correct in terms of finances long term, however if you look at it in the long term the more we spend now on players although it means extra costs it increases the chances of promotion which will give us far more money and help us pay off a lot of debt.
Look at West Ham they had 100m debt coming down from the Prem, spent around 10m increasing that debt but then they got promoted so the extra costs in the short run benefited them, although it is a gamble.
Perhaps the board do not want to 'gamble' anymore. We were a point of the top in January but we did not strengthen in the January window like West Ham, Southampton and Reading. All 3 got promoted. Saying that City have brought in a couple of players this summer but we could still do with a bit of extra quality to mount a serious challenge.
Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:29 pm
BluebirdJM wrote:RoathMagic wrote:BluebirdJM wrote:not sure, the thing tHat will sway most is when langston is sorted IMO. once/if they get us out of debt they will deserve praise
But we wil then be in debt to them. It's just switching who we owe it to.
not if they turn it into shares, its the IF that worries me though, and cheer up are you ever exited about anything cardiff? 50 percent of your post are anti cardiff, the other 50 percent are rimming the jacks, bet youre a right laugh at games
Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:31 pm
Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:33 pm
RoathMagic wrote:BluebirdJM wrote:RoathMagic wrote:BluebirdJM wrote:not sure, the thing tHat will sway most is when langston is sorted IMO. once/if they get us out of debt they will deserve praise
But we wil then be in debt to them. It's just switching who we owe it to.
not if they turn it into shares, its the IF that worries me though, and cheer up are you ever exited about anything cardiff? 50 percent of your post are anti cardiff, the other 50 percent are rimming the jacks, bet youre a right laugh at games
But the club is worth £15m. Why would Tan write off £85m for no reason. It's 13% of his total personal wealth. When he converts his money to equity he will then own the club, so what's the point n owing yourself money? He will just make sure he gets his investment back before he walks away, whether that be selling players and keeping the transfer fees or selling real estate. But make no mistake, anything he puts in HE WILL be taking back.
Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:34 pm
Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:38 pm
Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:32 pm
Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:53 pm
northside of risca wrote:No for me. Even if we were to get promoted I will never accept changes. No need for rebranding. Utter joke. That is both my personal view and that of every other person who I have spoke to who follows other clubs. Spoke to a wolves fan in work today. He is against stadium rebranding etc , however thought our situation just took piss.
Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:55 pm
RoathMagic wrote:BluebirdJM wrote:RoathMagic wrote:BluebirdJM wrote:not sure, the thing tHat will sway most is when langston is sorted IMO. once/if they get us out of debt they will deserve praise
But we wil then be in debt to them. It's just switching who we owe it to.
not if they turn it into shares, its the IF that worries me though, and cheer up are you ever exited about anything cardiff? 50 percent of your post are anti cardiff, the other 50 percent are rimming the jacks, bet youre a right laugh at games
But the club is worth £15m. Why would Tan write off £85m for no reason. It's 13% of his total personal wealth. When he converts his money to equity he will then own the club, so what's the point n owing yourself money? He will just make sure he gets his investment back before he walks away, whether that be selling players and keeping the transfer fees or selling real estate. But make no mistake, anything he puts in HE WILL be taking back.
Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:05 pm
RoathMagic wrote:BluebirdJM wrote:RoathMagic wrote:BluebirdJM wrote:not sure, the thing tHat will sway most is when langston is sorted IMO. once/if they get us out of debt they will deserve praise
But we wil then be in debt to them. It's just switching who we owe it to.
not if they turn it into shares, its the IF that worries me though, and cheer up are you ever exited about anything cardiff? 50 percent of your post are anti cardiff, the other 50 percent are rimming the jacks, bet youre a right laugh at games
But the club is worth £15m. Why would Tan write off £85m for no reason. It's 13% of his total personal wealth. When he converts his money to equity he will then own the club, so what's the point n owing yourself money? He will just make sure he gets his investment back before he walks away, whether that be selling players and keeping the transfer fees or selling real estate. But make no mistake, anything he puts in HE WILL be taking back.
Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:37 pm
Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:37 pm
Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:00 am
Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:03 am
azz_ccfc wrote:I dont care what signings we have, as long as we still have a team......but it doesnt mean I support the red campaign either.
VT has put forward a business plan which includes the re-branding of the club. He has so far, not settled the long standing debt with Langston, he has not turned debt to equity, out debt is continiously rising on a monthly basis with 0.07% interest and I feel they havent taken a proper survey or research into the rebranding process of a football club.
If he had done it the other way around, it wont be so bad, i.e. settle debt and turn existing debt to equity first then rebrand.
I feel the owners need to repair their relationship with the fans; I believe next season they need to bring us aboard about the new badge design as well as kit design.
However, Whilst I am against the rebranding, I hope they could re-consider next season and consult with us fans. I do appreciate what they have done for the club so far in the meantime, paying our tax bills etc. Now is the time for them to shine.
Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:43 am
azz_ccfc wrote:I dont care what signings we have, as long as we still have a team......but it doesnt mean I support the red campaign either.
VT has put forward a business plan which includes the re-branding of the club. He has so far, not settled the long standing debt with Langston, he has not turned debt to equity, out debt is continiously rising on a monthly basis with 0.07% interest and I feel they havent taken a proper survey or research into the rebranding process of a football club.
If he had done it the other way around, it wont be so bad, i.e. settle debt and turn existing debt to equity first then rebrand.
I feel the owners need to repair their relationship with the fans; I believe next season they need to bring us aboard about the new badge design as well as kit design.
However, Whilst I am against the rebranding, I hope they could re-consider next season and consult with us fans. I do appreciate what they have done for the club so far in the meantime, paying our tax bills etc. Now is the time for them to shine.
Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:16 am
BlueWhite&Yellow wrote:azz_ccfc wrote:I dont care what signings we have, as long as we still have a team......but it doesnt mean I support the red campaign either.
VT has put forward a business plan which includes the re-branding of the club. He has so far, not settled the long standing debt with Langston, he has not turned debt to equity, out debt is continiously rising on a monthly basis with 0.07% interest and I feel they havent taken a proper survey or research into the rebranding process of a football club.
If he had done it the other way around, it wont be so bad, i.e. settle debt and turn existing debt to equity first then rebrand.
I feel the owners need to repair their relationship with the fans; I believe next season they need to bring us aboard about the new badge design as well as kit design.
However, Whilst I am against the rebranding, I hope they could re-consider next season and consult with us fans. I do appreciate what they have done for the club so far in the meantime, paying our tax bills etc. Now is the time for them to shine.
What business plan!? Not even board members have seen this plan! It's just Tans vision!