Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:56 pm
Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:02 pm
Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:03 pm
Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:04 pm
Mafor wrote:Latest Picture of John Terry on his way to court this morning
Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:07 pm
droopy wrote:This court case is an absolute sham!
A £2500 fine if he gets found guilty
I bet he is thinking how do you want it, Cash or Cheque!
This court case is costing tax payers more money than it's worth. Pathetic
Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:28 pm
droopy wrote:This court case is an absolute sham!
A £2500 fine if he gets found guilty
I bet he is thinking how do you want it, Cash or Cheque!
This court case is costing tax payers more money than it's worth. Pathetic
Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:40 pm
Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:43 pm
castleblue wrote:If he is found guilty the FA will be waiting in wings to charge him with offences under their anti racism regulation, the same as Suarez.
Given that they have already stripped him of the England captaincy I think he can expect a big ban, 10 games plus wouldn't surprise me together with a fine over £50k.
Nothing more than the guy deserves.
Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:48 pm
Damned Yank wrote:castleblue wrote:If he is found guilty the FA will be waiting in wings to charge him with offences under their anti racism regulation, the same as Suarez.
Given that they have already stripped him of the England captaincy I think he can expect a big ban, 10 games plus wouldn't surprise me together with a fine over £50k.
Nothing more than the guy deserves.
good point castle it will be interesting to see what the FA do after they threw the book at Suarez. Did he get done in the courts as well, I forget?
Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:00 pm
Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:21 pm
CP76 wrote:Anton Ferdinand started with the verbals the big f*cking cry baby
Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:27 pm
CjBluebird17 wrote:CP76 wrote:Anton Ferdinand started with the verbals the big f*cking cry baby
There is no excuse for bringing in racism into an argument
Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:30 pm
CP76 wrote:CjBluebird17 wrote:CP76 wrote:Anton Ferdinand started with the verbals the big f*cking cry baby
There is no excuse for bringing in racism into an argument
Sticks & stones
Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:11 pm
CP76 wrote:CjBluebird17 wrote:CP76 wrote:Anton Ferdinand started with the verbals the big f*cking cry baby
There is no excuse for bringing in racism into an argument
Sticks & stones
Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:42 pm
Merlin wrote:CP76 wrote:CjBluebird17 wrote:CP76 wrote:Anton Ferdinand started with the verbals the big f*cking cry baby
There is no excuse for bringing in racism into an argument
Sticks & stones
Sticks and f*cking stones!!!! you stupid idiot.
He was using a racist comment - doesn't matter who started it, Racism is just LOW! and you are basically agreeing that it doesn't matter. sorry, but your comment is disgusting.
Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:46 pm
SeanJr wrote:Merlin wrote:CP76 wrote:CjBluebird17 wrote:CP76 wrote:Anton Ferdinand started with the verbals the big f*cking cry baby
There is no excuse for bringing in racism into an argument
Sticks & stones
Sticks and f*cking stones!!!! you stupid idiot.
He was using a racist comment - doesn't matter who started it, Racism is just LOW! and you are basically agreeing that it doesn't matter. sorry, but your comment is disgusting.
What's the difference between using a racist term to insult somebody compared to say insulting somebody because of the colour of their hair or the size of their nose. I'm not defending JT, not condoning racism, but Ferdinand insulted JT, had Ferdinand been ginger and JT said 'f**k off you ginger tw*t' why would that be any different? why shouldn't that warrant a court case?
Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:02 pm
Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:09 pm
Merlin wrote:CP76 wrote:CjBluebird17 wrote:CP76 wrote:Anton Ferdinand started with the verbals the big f*cking cry baby
There is no excuse for bringing in racism into an argument
Sticks & stones
Sticks and f*cking stones!!!! you stupid idiot.
He was using a racist comment - doesn't matter who started it, Racism is just LOW! and you are basically agreeing that it doesn't matter. sorry, but your comment is disgusting.
Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:54 pm
droopy wrote:This court case is an absolute sham!
A £2500 fine if he gets found guilty
I bet he is thinking how do you want it, Cash or Cheque!
This court case is costing tax payers more money than it's worth. Pathetic
Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:01 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:My understanding of what happened (according to John Terry) is that Anton Ferdinand made a number of spiteful remarks including a taunting about his affair with Wayne Bridges ex-girlfriend.
Ferdinand then accused Terry of calling him “A Black ---- etc.”
Terry then quite rightly IMO challenged Ferdinand about this because he had said no such thing. It was this challenge which was picked up on TV footage.
If this is indeed what happened (& Ashley Cole has partly corroborated it) then it raises an important point. Why should a white person (for this example) be branded as a racist or convicted of a racial offence when the Black person (in this example) was the perpetrator?
Indeed I would go further and have a law with extremely harsh penalties for anyone who cried foul and misused the racial aggravation laws in such a way.
It is very similar to women who falsely accuse men of rape and are harshly dealt with.
Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:07 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:My understanding of what happened (according to John Terry) is that Anton Ferdinand made a number of spiteful remarks including a taunting about his affair with Wayne Bridges ex-girlfriend.
Ferdinand then accused Terry of calling him “A Black ---- etc.”
Terry then quite rightly IMO challenged Ferdinand about this because he had said no such thing. It was this challenge which was picked up on TV footage.
If this is indeed what happened (& Ashley Cole has partly corroborated it) then it raises an important point. Why should a white person (for this example) be branded as a racist or convicted of a racial offence when the Black person (in this example) was the perpetrator?
Indeed I would go further and have a law with extremely harsh penalties for anyone who cried foul and misused the racial aggravation laws in such a way.
It is very similar to women who falsely accuse men of rape and are harshly dealt with.
Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:53 pm
Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:00 pm
Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:01 pm
Damned Yank wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:My understanding of what happened (according to John Terry) is that Anton Ferdinand made a number of spiteful remarks including a taunting about his affair with Wayne Bridges ex-girlfriend.
Ferdinand then accused Terry of calling him “A Black ---- etc.”
Terry then quite rightly IMO challenged Ferdinand about this because he had said no such thing. It was this challenge which was picked up on TV footage.
If this is indeed what happened (& Ashley Cole has partly corroborated it) then it raises an important point. Why should a white person (for this example) be branded as a racist or convicted of a racial offence when the Black person (in this example) was the perpetrator?
Indeed I would go further and have a law with extremely harsh penalties for anyone who cried foul and misused the racial aggravation laws in such a way.
It is very similar to women who falsely accuse men of rape and are harshly dealt with.
Highly dubious though. Wouldn't he have said "I didn't call you a black cxxx" or "Are you saying I called you a black cxxx instead of what he did say?
...which was just "black cxxx" according to his testimony.
Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:09 pm
Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:10 pm
Damned Yank wrote:His explanation that he was just repeating back what Ferdinand said to him is hilarious! I wonder if it will work????
Thoughts lads?
Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:30 am
SeanJr wrote:Damned Yank wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:My understanding of what happened (according to John Terry) is that Anton Ferdinand made a number of spiteful remarks including a taunting about his affair with Wayne Bridges ex-girlfriend.
Ferdinand then accused Terry of calling him “A Black ---- etc.”
Terry then quite rightly IMO challenged Ferdinand about this because he had said no such thing. It was this challenge which was picked up on TV footage.
If this is indeed what happened (& Ashley Cole has partly corroborated it) then it raises an important point. Why should a white person (for this example) be branded as a racist or convicted of a racial offence when the Black person (in this example) was the perpetrator?
Indeed I would go further and have a law with extremely harsh penalties for anyone who cried foul and misused the racial aggravation laws in such a way.
It is very similar to women who falsely accuse men of rape and are harshly dealt with.
Highly dubious though. Wouldn't he have said "I didn't call you a black cxxx" or "Are you saying I called you a black cxxx instead of what he did say?
...which was just "black cxxx" according to his testimony.
TBH I don't care whether he said it or not, I just think its over the top for this to go to court for purely saying 'black'. I find it laughable that had he just called him a 'c**t' then none of this would have come about, it would probably have been a comical video on YouTube titled 'Terry calls Anton a c**t!'. Not condoning it, not defending JT, what he said was racist, but was hardly a Louis Suarez moment, physical aswell as verbal aswell as totally unprovoked!
I personally hope JT wins the case, one word doesn't make you a racist, I'm sure Ashley Cole, Didier Drogba, Michael Essien and co will back that up. I know it's technically xenophobia but I'm sure the vast majority of us City fans have refered to English people as 'English cunts' at some stage (unless your English of course lol) but just because I've called somebody something doesn't mean I don't respect English people, doesn't mean I have a hatred for them it's just a word and not a genuine act of racism/discrimination.
Cue the outrage but it's my opinion!
Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:33 am
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Merlin wrote:CP76 wrote:CjBluebird17 wrote:CP76 wrote:Anton Ferdinand started with the verbals the big f*cking cry baby
There is no excuse for bringing in racism into an argument
Sticks & stones
Sticks and f*cking stones!!!! you stupid idiot.
He was using a racist comment - doesn't matter who started it, Racism is just LOW! and you are basically agreeing that it doesn't matter. sorry, but your comment is disgusting.
Sorry Merlin I strongly disagree, it does matter who started it. If for example a blackman accused you of using racist language and you hadn't, would it be right that you are not allowed to challenge him? That is the situation that John Terry finds himself in.
The problem here is Anton Ferdinand who after failing to upset Terry with taunts about Wayne Bridge's girlfriend, decended to playing a sickening race card. The wrong man is in the dock IMO.