THE ALTERNATIVE PLAN

The Reds and the Club always saying to us Blues we have no alternative. How's about this?

PLAN B


Step away from the roulette wheel before putting your last wad on Red.

Go back to Blue and unite the fans again.

Stop the gambling on reaching the promised land that's been going on for years and that got us into this mess.

Stop taking loans at 7% from Malaysia, cut costs and accept we'll have to go backwards for quite a while while we stabilise the Club and preserve it for future generations.

Stop treating the fans like they don't matter and explain all this honestly to them. Many will back you.

With proper management instead of trusting to luck and throwing (someone else's) money at it, it's possible to progress up the Leagues in time.

Sounds better than trusting to one man's "vision".

Sounds Good To Me

And the debt?

And the debt?

Well, taking on more millions more at 7% seems much more risky to me.

And how far back are we going to go? Will we stop? Or do we risk going out of the league completely and out of business?

The damage is done, we just have to move on now and go with the times. I want to go forwards now not backwards. It's too late for that.

And the debt?

Well, taking on more millions more at 7% seems much more risky to me.

I meant dealing with the current debt?

The Reds and the Club always saying to us Blues we have no alternative. How's about this?

PLAN B


Step away from the roulette wheel before putting your last wad on Red.

Go back to Blue and unite the fans again.

Stop the gambling on reaching the promised land that's been going on for years and that got us into this mess.

Stop taking loans at 7% from Malaysia, cut costs and accept we'll have to go backwards for quite a while while we stabilise the Club and preserve it for future generations.

Stop treating the fans like they don't matter and explain all this honestly to them. Many will back you.

With proper management instead of trusting to luck and throwing (someone else's) money at it, it's possible to progress up the Leagues in time.

Sounds better than trusting to one man's "vision".

Sorry that Plan B does nothing but gamble with the clubs future. OK you say 'Unite the Fans' what does that mean and more importantly how will that help (financially) to stabilise the club?

Also it is about time this 7% interest crap was addressed. When VT converts his loans into equity any interest will be converted with it and as the interest is accrued interest the club will never have paid a penny of it.

Sorry I know you are well meaning but rhetoric will never solve our problems and frankly rhetoric is all that Plan B offers.

And the debt?

Well, taking on more millions more at 7% seems much more risky to me.

I meant dealing with the current debt?

Severe cost cutting and paying reasonable wages a la Jacks would at least stop it getting bigger.

And the debt?

Well, taking on more millions more at 7% seems much more risky to me.

I meant dealing with the current debt?

Severe cost cutting and paying reasonable wages a la Jacks would at least stop it getting bigger.

That's not dealing with it though. I can't fault the sentiment but it's not a viable business plan. We could of course go down the administration road but then that could easily turn into a Rangers. No Cardiff City left then I'm afraid

The Reds and the Club always saying to us Blues we have no alternative. How's about this?

PLAN B


Step away from the roulette wheel before putting your last wad on Red.

Go back to Blue and unite the fans again.

Stop the gambling on reaching the promised land that's been going on for years and that got us into this mess.

Stop taking loans at 7% from Malaysia, cut costs and accept we'll have to go backwards for quite a while while we stabilise the Club and preserve it for future generations.

Stop treating the fans like they don't matter and explain all this honestly to them. Many will back you.

With proper management instead of trusting to luck and throwing (someone else's) money at it, it's possible to progress up the Leagues in time.

Sounds better than trusting to one man's "vision".

Sorry that Plan B does nothing but gamble with the clubs future. OK you say 'Unite the Fans' what does that mean and more importantly how will that help (financially) to stabilise the club?

Also it is about time this 7% interest crap was addressed. When VT converts his loans into equity any interest will be converted with it and as the interest is accrued interest the club will never have paid a penny of it.

Sorry I know you are well meaning but rhetoric will never solve our problems and frankly rhetoric is all that Plan B offers.

You do of course mean If, not when.

And ask yourself, why bother to charge the interest in that case?

Sorry that Plan B does nothing but gamble with the clubs future. OK you say 'Unite the Fans' what does that mean and more importantly how will that help (financially) to stabilise the club?

Also it is about time this 7% interest crap was addressed. When VT converts his loans into equity any interest will be converted with it and as the interest is accrued interest the club will never have paid a penny of it.

Sorry I know you are well meaning but rhetoric will never solve our problems and frankly rhetoric is all that Plan B offers.

You don't think the fans are split and income won't suffer?

"When VT converts his shares......." Exactly when and what if he doesn't?

You're staying in the casino then. Are you feeling lucky punk?

Sorry that Plan B does nothing but gamble with the clubs future. OK you say 'Unite the Fans' what does that mean and more importantly how will that help (financially) to stabilise the club?

Also it is about time this 7% interest crap was addressed. When VT converts his loans into equity any interest will be converted with it and as the interest is accrued interest the club will never have paid a penny of it.

Sorry I know you are well meaning but rhetoric will never solve our problems and frankly rhetoric is all that Plan B offers.

You don't think the fans are split and income won't suffer?

"When VT converts his shares......." Exactly when and what if he doesn't?

You're staying in the casino then. Are you feeling lucky punk?

How about the other alternative plan?

Everyone get behind the club for the season and see what happens? (blue or red)

The Reds and the Club always saying to us Blues we have no alternative. How's about this?

PLAN B


Step away from the roulette wheel before putting your last wad on Red.

Go back to Blue and unite the fans again.

Stop the gambling on reaching the promised land that's been going on for years and that got us into this mess.

Stop taking loans at 7% from Malaysia, cut costs and accept we'll have to go backwards for quite a while while we stabilise the Club and preserve it for future generations.

Stop treating the fans like they don't matter and explain all this honestly to them. Many will back you.

With proper management instead of trusting to luck and throwing (someone else's) money at it, it's possible to progress up the Leagues in time.

Sounds better than trusting to one man's "vision".

Sorry that Plan B does nothing but gamble with the clubs future. OK you say 'Unite the Fans' what does that mean and more importantly how will that help (financially) to stabilise the club?

Also it is about time this 7% interest crap was addressed. When VT converts his loans into equity any interest will be converted with it and as the interest is accrued interest the club will never have paid a penny of it.

Sorry I know you are well meaning but rhetoric will never solve our problems and frankly rhetoric is all that Plan B offers.

You do of course mean If, not when.

And ask yourself, why bother to charge the interest in that case?

Tax liability? They know they will never get their money back unless we are successful so who cares as they ate now in it for the long haul

How about the other alternative plan?

Everyone get behind the club for the season and see what happens? (blue or red)

Yep. That's the stick it all on Red option and spin the wheel. Surely our luck must change? Surely.....OH NO.

Just say we dont go up, after all what has happened, how do u think our fans will feel ?
How will we do in Asia, if we dont go up ?

How about the other alternative plan?

Everyone get behind the club for the season and see what happens? (blue or red)

Yep. That's the stick it all on Red option and spin the wheel. Surely our luck must change? Surely.....OH NO.

Whereas yours is let's cut costs and hope all the debts will magically disappear? I'd rather be in a casino than on fantasy island

Just say we dont go up, after all what has happened, how do u think our fans will feel ?
How will we do in Asia, if we dont go up ?

Never any guarantees on promotion.
Tan can only provide the money for Malky and we will see how much that is in the coming months.

As for just start again in the in the first thread
We owe
Tan 40m
Langston 10m instantly or up to 32m?
PMG money
Ray Ranson

People say administration well that's not our choice it's Tans and I can't see him accepting 5p in the pound or whatever so it would be liquidation like rangers - thats a no from me.

Just say we dont go up, after all what has happened, how do u think our fans will feel ?
How will we do in Asia, if we dont go up ?

I'm not expecting to go up. Happy to concentrate on securing the clubs future. No doubt the Malaysians will want it but they know they will have to put up to secure it. Money doesn't always talk in football but it does more often than it doesn't so let's see

And the debt?

Well, taking on more millions more at 7% seems much more risky to me.

I meant dealing with the current debt?

Severe cost cutting and paying reasonable wages a la Jacks would at least stop it getting bigger.

Sorry it wouldn't, the massive debt would still have to be serviced, and no matter how much cost cutting was made the running costs and debt servicing would drive us out of business, low wages poor team, poor team relegation, poor crowd, reduced advertising, reduced gate receipts, reduced league money, reduced tv appearances and money, it is a plan, but it very flawed.

How about the other alternative plan?

Everyone get behind the club for the season and see what happens? (blue or red)

Yep. That's the stick it all on Red option and spin the wheel. Surely our luck must change? Surely.....OH NO.

Whereas yours is let's cut costs and hope all the debts will magically disappear? I'd rather be in a casino than on fantasy island

Just say we dont go up, after all what has happened, how do u think our fans will feel ?
How will we do in Asia, if we dont go up ?

I'm not expecting to go up. Happy to concentrate on securing the clubs future. No doubt the Malaysians will want it but they know they will have to put up to secure it. Money doesn't always talk in football but it does more often than it doesn't so let's see

Alan Whitley has stated on Wednesday night, Tan expects nothing less than Top 2 for the the money he has put in.

Just say we dont go up, after all what has happened, how do u think our fans will feel ?
How will we do in Asia, if we dont go up ?

I'm not expecting to go up. Happy to concentrate on securing the clubs future. No doubt the Malaysians will want it but they know they will have to put up to secure it. Money doesn't always talk in football but it does more often than it doesn't so let's see

Alan Whitley has stated on Wednesday night, Tan expects nothing less than Top 2 for the the money he has put in.

And rightly so, fair play for backing his vision with the money this time.

Sorry it wouldn't, the massive debt would still have to be serviced, and no matter how much cost cutting was made the running costs and debt servicing would drive us out of business, low wages poor team, poor team relegation, poor crowd, reduced advertising, reduced gate receipts, reduced league money, reduced tv appearances and money, it is a plan, but it very flawed.

Tan, Guy, Borley et al (whoever he is) would have to start MANAGING the Club and stop behaving like members of gamblers Anonymous.

And here's a song specially for you Big Man...........

When the shirt turns from Blue and the badge looks like poo,
It's Re-Branding.
When you're told by a Ram to adore Vincent Tan,
It's Re-Branding.
When traditions are cheap and you don't raise a peep,
It's Re-Branding.
When the gun's at your head and you're told "Red or Dead!"
IT'S RE-BRANDING.

Sorry it wouldn't, the massive debt would still have to be serviced, and no matter how much cost cutting was made the running costs and debt servicing would drive us out of business, low wages poor team, poor team relegation, poor crowd, reduced advertising, reduced gate receipts, reduced league money, reduced tv appearances and money, it is a plan, but it very flawed.

Tan, Guy, Borley et al (whoever he is) would have to start MANAGING the Club and stop behaving like members of gamblers Anonymous.

And here's a song specially for you Big Man...........

When the shirt turns from Blue and the badge looks like poo,
It's Re-Branding.
When you're told by a Ram to adore Vincent Tan,
It's Re-Branding.
When traditions are cheap and you don't raise a peep,
It's Re-Branding.
When the gun's at your head and you're told "Red or Dead!"
IT'S RE-BRANDING.

Try changing the word rebranding to progress

you'd be happy paying 75 quid a game so the club could break even then?

Just say we dont go up, after all what has happened, how do u think our fans will feel ?
How will we do in Asia, if we dont go up ?

Never any guarantees on promotion.
Tan can only provide the money for Malky and we will see how much that is in the coming months.

As for just start again in the in the first thread
We owe
Tan 40m
Langston 10m instantly or up to 32m?
PMG money
Ray Ranson

People say administration well that's not our choice it's Tans and I can't see him accepting 5p in the pound or whatever so it would be liquidation like rangers - thats a no from me.

Soooo?

And the debt?

Well, taking on more millions more at 7% seems much more risky to me.

I meant dealing with the current debt?

Severe cost cutting and paying reasonable wages a la Jacks would at least stop it getting bigger.

That's not dealing with it though. I can't fault the sentiment but it's not a viable business plan. We could of course go down the administration road but then that could easily turn into a Rangers. No Cardiff City left then I'm afraid

but swans went into admin to do what they did! so no comparison cost cutting is good idea but>? that will send us into div 1 but to late anyway as 40mil in debt without vt! need to get real me thinks about our position!!!

And the debt?

Well, taking on more millions more at 7% seems much more risky to me.

I meant dealing with the current debt?

Severe cost cutting and paying reasonable wages a la Jacks would at least stop it getting bigger.

Sorry it wouldn't, the massive debt would still have to be serviced, and no matter how much cost cutting was made the running costs and debt servicing would drive us out of business, low wages poor team, poor team relegation, poor crowd, reduced advertising, reduced gate receipts, reduced league money, reduced tv appearances and money, it is a plan, but it very flawed.

gwyn anti vt dont want or dont see this all concerned about is we play in blue!! their alternative plan is get rid high earners pay £6 min wage players and have 16k season tickets!! not in real world really!!

And the debt?

Well, taking on more millions more at 7% seems much more risky to me.

I meant dealing with the current debt?

Severe cost cutting and paying reasonable wages a la Jacks would at least stop it getting bigger.

they went into admin to do what they did? that is very big risk considering our debt is 80times theres! 500k compared to 70mil or whatever it is!!

This so called plan b was posted on another thread and he got a few comments of support so obviously decided it was worthy of a thread of its own. Nice sentiment but thats all it is. Nowhere near a plan of any sorts, just pipe dreams.