Wales predicted to be independent in a generation

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-18642373

Nice to hear.

we'd be stint within 5 years

we'd be stint within 5 years

Nah. If we (Cymru) becomes like Scotland or has some union with England, then it'd be ideal.

we'd be stint within 5 years

Nah. If we (Cymru) becomes like Scotland or has some union with England, then it'd be ideal.

Really and how are we going to cover the benefit handouts alone in Wales then..?

we'd be stint within 5 years

Nah. If we (Cymru) becomes like Scotland or has some union with England, then it'd be ideal.

Really and how are we going to cover the benefit handouts alone in Wales then..?

Ask England for help?

we'd be stint within 5 years

Nah. If we (Cymru) becomes like Scotland or has some union with England, then it'd be ideal.

Really and how are we going to cover the benefit handouts alone in Wales then..?

Ask England for help?

I rest my case

Thank f**k I won't be here to see it then.

If Wales becomes independent I'm moving to England.

If Wales becomes independent I'm moving to England.

Luckily I'm safe already!

we'd be stint within 5 years

Nah. If we (Cymru) becomes like Scotland or has some union with England, then it'd be ideal.

Really and how are we going to cover the benefit handouts alone in Wales then..?

Ask England for help?

I rest my case

Okay. Where is my award for winning the debate?

we'd be stint within 5 years

Nah. If we (Cymru) becomes like Scotland or has some union with England, then it'd be ideal.

Really and how are we going to cover the benefit handouts alone in Wales then..?

Ask England for help?

I rest my case

Okay. Where is my award for winning the debate?

The nationalists and the proud brit/Welsh lot miss the point here.

Wales was at the heart of the industrial revolution. Welsh steel and coal
fuelled the last great growth of the British Empire.

Its all gone now.

Wales has nothing to offer. Industry has been decimated by successive
governments. Wales has become a country of call-centre workers and
Public Sector workers.

"Britain" (Rule Brittania and all that up in London) dont want Wales no
more, we got f**k all left to take.

London would now love to wave bye-bye, thanks for your loyalty and
graft over the years, thanks for the brave men who fought for Britain.

Now, erm.... crack on.

Britain is fucked. Like a human being going into shock, protect the vital
organs first (London, England)... then f**k off the arms and legs.

Twenty years time. Wales will be independant. But we'll have been raped
of every natural resource and industry first

Can you imagine the taxes which will need to be put on the people!!!!

The nationalists and the proud brit/Welsh lot miss the point here.

Wales was at the heart of the industrial revolution. Welsh steel and coal
fuelled the last great growth of the British Empire.

Its all gone now.

Wales has nothing to offer. Industry has been decimated by successive
governments. Wales has become a country of call-centre workers and
Public Sector workers.

"Britain" (Rule Brittania and all that up in London) dont want Wales no
more, we got f**k all left to take.

London would now love to wave bye-bye, thanks for your loyalty and
graft over the years, thanks for the brave men who fought for Britain.

Now, erm.... crack on.

Britain is fucked. Like a human being going into shock, protect the vital
organs first (London, England)... then f**k off the arms and legs.

Twenty years time. Wales will be independant. But we'll have been raped
of every natural resource and industry first

Philosophical and true. Wales was industrious until the "Milk-snatcher" closed the mines.

The nationalists and the proud brit/Welsh lot miss the point here.

Wales was at the heart of the industrial revolution. Welsh steel and coal
fuelled the last great growth of the British Empire.

Its all gone now.

Wales has nothing to offer. Industry has been decimated by successive
governments. Wales has become a country of call-centre workers and
Public Sector workers.

"Britain" (Rule Brittania and all that up in London) dont want Wales no
more, we got f**k all left to take.

London would now love to wave bye-bye, thanks for your loyalty and
graft over the years, thanks for the brave men who fought for Britain.

Now, erm.... crack on.

Britain is fucked. Like a human being going into shock, protect the vital
organs first (London, England)... then f**k off the arms and legs.

Twenty years time. Wales will be independant. But we'll have been raped
of every natural resource and industry first

And that's the exact reason I am completely against any form of independence for Wales.

The nationalists and the proud brit/Welsh lot miss the point here.

Wales was at the heart of the industrial revolution. Welsh steel and coal
fuelled the last great growth of the British Empire.

Its all gone now.

Wales has nothing to offer. Industry has been decimated by successive
governments. Wales has become a country of call-centre workers and
Public Sector workers.

"Britain" (Rule Brittania and all that up in London) dont want Wales no
more, we got f**k all left to take.

London would now love to wave bye-bye, thanks for your loyalty and
graft over the years, thanks for the brave men who fought for Britain.

Now, erm.... crack on.

Britain is fucked. Like a human being going into shock, protect the vital
organs first (London, England)... then f**k off the arms and legs.

Twenty years time. Wales will be independant. But we'll have been raped
of every natural resource and industry first

So you want independence then? f**k me, Westminister is more than repaying us by giving us our own parliament and lower tuition fees free prescriptions etc.

The nationalists and the proud brit/Welsh lot miss the point here.

Wales was at the heart of the industrial revolution. Welsh steel and coal
fuelled the last great growth of the British Empire.

Its all gone now.

Wales has nothing to offer. Industry has been decimated by successive
governments. Wales has become a country of call-centre workers and
Public Sector workers.

"Britain" (Rule Brittania and all that up in London) dont want Wales no
more, we got f**k all left to take.

London would now love to wave bye-bye, thanks for your loyalty and
graft over the years, thanks for the brave men who fought for Britain.

Now, erm.... crack on.

Britain is fucked. Like a human being going into shock, protect the vital
organs first (London, England)... then f**k off the arms and legs.

Twenty years time. Wales will be independant. But we'll have been raped
of every natural resource and industry first

The RED/BLUE debate has really got me down over the past few weeks. I was finally coming through it and have been feeling a lot more upbeat of late. Then I red your post Taffy and now I feel like giving up altogether CHEERS

The nationalists and the proud brit/Welsh lot miss the point here.

Wales was at the heart of the industrial revolution. Welsh steel and coal
fuelled the last great growth of the British Empire.

Its all gone now.

Wales has nothing to offer. Industry has been decimated by successive
governments. Wales has become a country of call-centre workers and
Public Sector workers.

"Britain" (Rule Brittania and all that up in London) dont want Wales no
more, we got f**k all left to take.

London would now love to wave bye-bye, thanks for your loyalty and
graft over the years, thanks for the brave men who fought for Britain.

Now, erm.... crack on.

Britain is fucked. Like a human being going into shock, protect the vital
organs first (London, England)... then f**k off the arms and legs.

Twenty years time. Wales will be independant. But we'll have been raped
of every natural resource and industry first

Philosophical and true. Wales was industrious until the "Milk-snatcher" closed the mines.

Sorry are you on about the loss making mines..? If they were money making then why haven't private companies re-opened them..? Hold on is it because they would cost too much..?

The nationalists and the proud brit/Welsh lot miss the point here.

Wales was at the heart of the industrial revolution. Welsh steel and coal
fuelled the last great growth of the British Empire.

Its all gone now.

Wales has nothing to offer. Industry has been decimated by successive
governments. Wales has become a country of call-centre workers and
Public Sector workers.

"Britain" (Rule Brittania and all that up in London) dont want Wales no
more, we got f**k all left to take.

London would now love to wave bye-bye, thanks for your loyalty and
graft over the years, thanks for the brave men who fought for Britain.

Now, erm.... crack on.

Britain is fucked. Like a human being going into shock, protect the vital
organs first (London, England)... then f**k off the arms and legs.

Twenty years time. Wales will be independant. But we'll have been raped
of every natural resource and industry first

Philosophical and true. Wales was industrious until the "Milk-snatcher" closed the mines.

Sorry are you on about the loss making mines..? If they were money making then why haven't private companies re-opened them..? Hold on is it because they would cost too much..?

Charge more for coal.

The nationalists and the proud brit/Welsh lot miss the point here.

Wales was at the heart of the industrial revolution. Welsh steel and coal
fuelled the last great growth of the British Empire.

Its all gone now.

Wales has nothing to offer. Industry has been decimated by successive
governments. Wales has become a country of call-centre workers and
Public Sector workers.

"Britain" (Rule Brittania and all that up in London) dont want Wales no
more, we got f**k all left to take.

London would now love to wave bye-bye, thanks for your loyalty and
graft over the years, thanks for the brave men who fought for Britain.

Now, erm.... crack on.

Britain is fucked. Like a human being going into shock, protect the vital
organs first (London, England)... then f**k off the arms and legs.

Twenty years time. Wales will be independant. But we'll have been raped
of every natural resource and industry first

Philosophical and true. Wales was industrious until the "Milk-snatcher" closed the mines.

Sorry are you on about the loss making mines..? If they were money making then why haven't private companies re-opened them..? Hold on is it because they would cost too much..?

It would cost too much to completely start them up again.

If the equipment etc. was still all about then we would still make a profit yes.

Still, anyone that thinks the mines could fund a country these days are deluded.

The nationalists and the proud brit/Welsh lot miss the point here.

Wales was at the heart of the industrial revolution. Welsh steel and coal
fuelled the last great growth of the British Empire.

Its all gone now.

Wales has nothing to offer. Industry has been decimated by successive
governments. Wales has become a country of call-centre workers and
Public Sector workers.

"Britain" (Rule Brittania and all that up in London) dont want Wales no
more, we got f**k all left to take.

London would now love to wave bye-bye, thanks for your loyalty and
graft over the years, thanks for the brave men who fought for Britain.

Now, erm.... crack on.

Britain is fucked. Like a human being going into shock, protect the vital
organs first (London, England)... then f**k off the arms and legs.

Twenty years time. Wales will be independant. But we'll have been raped
of every natural resource and industry first

Philosophical and true. Wales was industrious until the "Milk-snatcher" closed the mines.

Sorry are you on about the loss making mines..? If they were money making then why haven't private companies re-opened them..? Hold on is it because they would cost too much..?

Charge more for coal.

and let the foreign coal companies undercut us just like the 80s!!!!

The nationalists and the proud brit/Welsh lot miss the point here.

Wales was at the heart of the industrial revolution. Welsh steel and coal
fuelled the last great growth of the British Empire.

Its all gone now.

Wales has nothing to offer. Industry has been decimated by successive
governments. Wales has become a country of call-centre workers and
Public Sector workers.

"Britain" (Rule Brittania and all that up in London) dont want Wales no
more, we got f**k all left to take.

London would now love to wave bye-bye, thanks for your loyalty and
graft over the years, thanks for the brave men who fought for Britain.

Now, erm.... crack on.

Britain is fucked. Like a human being going into shock, protect the vital
organs first (London, England)... then f**k off the arms and legs.

Twenty years time. Wales will be independant. But we'll have been raped
of every natural resource and industry first

Philosophical and true. Wales was industrious until the "Milk-snatcher" closed the mines.

Sorry are you on about the loss making mines..? If they were money making then why haven't private companies re-opened them..? Hold on is it because they would cost too much..?

It would cost too much to completely start them up again.

If the equipment etc. was still all about then we would still make a profit yes.

Still, anyone that thinks the mines could fund a country these days are deluded.

True. After solar power and wind, there is less demand for coal. And don't forget central heating.

The nationalists and the proud brit/Welsh lot miss the point here.

Wales was at the heart of the industrial revolution. Welsh steel and coal
fuelled the last great growth of the British Empire.

Its all gone now.

Wales has nothing to offer. Industry has been decimated by successive
governments. Wales has become a country of call-centre workers and
Public Sector workers.

"Britain" (Rule Brittania and all that up in London) dont want Wales no
more, we got f**k all left to take.

London would now love to wave bye-bye, thanks for your loyalty and
graft over the years, thanks for the brave men who fought for Britain.

Now, erm.... crack on.

Britain is fucked. Like a human being going into shock, protect the vital
organs first (London, England)... then f**k off the arms and legs.

Twenty years time. Wales will be independant. But we'll have been raped
of every natural resource and industry first

And that's the exact reason I am completely against any form of independence for Wales.

Fair comment. I'm a nationalist, but even I could see that the devolution vote was a
fix in order for Wales to make that first break and have its own assembly. Wales
isnt wanted no more. They cant WAIT to give us our own tax-raising powers and cut
us off at the knees. Right now, the Welsh ship is sinking fast under a British Flag.
Who knows? maybe a Welsh Crew can turn things around? I doubt it. Plaid are just
as corrupt and self-centred as all other politicians.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-18642373

Nice to hear.

What on earth is she talking about?! A neighbourhood of nations!! If plaid cymru are what we've got to look forward to, I'm off

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-18642373

Nice to hear.

What on earth is she talking about?! A neighbourhood of nations!! If plaid cymru are what we've got to look forward to, I'm off

I honour your views but technically, wasn't GB a neighbourhood? We may have had rivalries but we have the same language, the same culture and are members of a union. Surely these things can't be replaced.

If Wales becomes independent I'm moving to England.

Assuming England would want you. If you have said anything abusive about England or the English (HAVE YOU?) then that would have been noted by the 'Spy's' on this board......and you'll have no chance!!!!

If Wales becomes independent I'm moving to England.

Assuming England would want you. If you have said anything abusive about England or the English (HAVE YOU?) then that would have been noted by the 'Spy's' on this board......and you'll have no chance!!!!

Nope. Squeaky clean on that front.

we'd be stint within 5 years

Nah. If we (Cymru) becomes like Scotland or has some union with England, then it'd be ideal.

Really and how are we going to cover the benefit handouts alone in Wales then..?

stop given them to anyone whos not born here

we'd be stint within 5 years

Nah. If we (Cymru) becomes like Scotland or has some union with England, then it'd be ideal.

Really and how are we going to cover the benefit handouts alone in Wales then..?

stop given them to anyone whos not born here

So adopting your theory. What happens if you were born elsewhere but had been a hard working person paying taxes for say 20 years and then through no fault of your own you were made redundant. Should that person be denied benifits?

we'd be stint within 5 years

Nah. If we (Cymru) becomes like Scotland or has some union with England, then it'd be ideal.

Really and how are we going to cover the benefit handouts alone in Wales then..?

stop given them to anyone whos not born here

So adopting your theory. What happens if you were born elsewhere but had been a hard working person paying taxes for say 20 years and then through no fault of your own you were made redundant. Should that person be denied benifits?

^^^This.