More on the Borley twitter issues

Taken from Mikes site but interesting

Tensions escalated today and a widening gulf emerged between loyal Cardiff City fans and their football club as the ongoing war of words spilled over into cyberspace hostilities.

Attack
During a Keep Cardiff Blue campaign discussion on Twitter long time club investor and former fans' favourite Steve Borley issued what was seen by some as a veiled threat which both shocked and angered bluebird fans. Whilst deliberating the options for a peaceful protest Borley snapped: "best you set up a keep Cardiff alive campaign to run with it". When mild-mannered professional and well known 1927 club chairman, Matthew Gabb, asked whether fans should just accept the recent rebranding proposals without question Borley angrily retorted "Matt why don't you come in with a few of your 27 colleagues to see Alan".

Anger
Sources from the Keep Cardiff Blue campaign are informally reporting a rapid and rising level of fans raising email complaints and concerns about the club's general attitude, in addition to a keen interest in taking part in the planned protests for their opening fixture against Huddersfield, live on Sky television on August 16th. One of the campaigners told us "We started with just a few interested but it seems like more and more fans are becoming disillusioned.

One fan who read the heated Twitter exchange said "I cannot understand why someone as senior as Steve needs to get sucked into an online exchange with fans who have worked closely with him over the years. It just seems petty and childish to me". Another fan said "It was a regretful thing for him to get involved in. I am sure Steve will look back on it and realise it wasn't the best thing to do."

Disaster
A highly regarded public relations consultant from Peterston Super Ely was equally critical of the club's approach when contacted. "The real issue here is reputational risk. The club's owners are perceived in some quarters as remote, uncaring and moneygrabbing. Now you have a former board member and esteemed local businessman preferring to expend his energy attacking his own customers in cyberspace rather than calmly offering to alleviate concerns and working through the problems. With an impending game on Sky beamed worldwide on and increasing outrage amongst fans it doesn't take a genius to figure out that this is a PR train crash waiting to happen ".

It is understood that repeated attempts are being made by fan groups to hold discussions with the club.

Yes money grabbing owners putting £40m in and nothing out, and £1.2m a month, tight sods

i really think people should be carefull what they wish for keep blue and that, sounds like its red or dead

I said on the other thread why the hell is a company director getting involved in public spats with his own customers

So unproffesional and someone at the club needs to tell him to pack it in.

I said on the other thread why the hell is a company director getting involved in public spats with his own customers

So unproffesional and someone at the club needs to tell him to pack it in.

hes under pressure also i bet hes been getting some shit off fans regarding the rebranding

I don't take what Borley says as anything more than a fans view. People just looking to whip up a storm

That's a Cedric piss take

* Sorry double post*

former fans' favourite Steve Borley

mild-mannered professional Matthew Gabb

the worst bit of blatant propaganda ever.

I think some Plaid Cymru lady had to stop using twitter this week after comments about the queen meeting the IRA chap etc.

I said on the other thread why the hell is a company director getting involved in public spats with his own customers

So unproffesional and someone at the club needs to tell him to pack it in.

It's unproffesional because he doesn't agree with you?

I said on the other thread why the hell is a company director getting involved in public spats with his own customers

So unproffesional and someone at the club needs to tell him to pack it in.

It's unproffesional because he doesn't agree with you?

Its unproffesional because company directors shouldnt be arguing and threatening their customers, especially in public.

In most other walks of life that would be instant dismissal, plus loss of customers and contracts.

So you think hes being proffesional do you?

He should say nothing and let the 12 men and their dog hold up a few banners on Sky.

If, and its still an if though, we do get the sort of players we are be reported to be interested in, the other 23k will be there cheering on the city...... (although i won't be in red)

They don't take anything out of the Club ? Hmmm they said plane fare's come out of there own pockets !! That is good. But the money they are lending us they have a hefty Interest charge added on to further put us in debt. Is that not taking money out of the club ? Just asking like.

Not a penny of that interest has been paid over. Unlike PMG.

I said on the other thread why the hell is a company director getting involved in public spats with his own customers

So unproffesional and someone at the club needs to tell him to pack it in.

It's unproffesional because he doesn't agree with you?

Its unproffesional because company directors shouldnt be arguing and threatening their customers, especially in public.

In most other walks of life that would be instant dismissal, plus loss of customers and contracts.

So you think hes being proffesional do you?

I agree with you there fella, It looks unprofessional

They don't take anything out of the Club ? Hmmm they said plane fare's come out of there own pockets !! That is good. But the money they are lending us they have a hefty Interest charge added on to further put us in debt. Is that not taking money out of the club ? Just asking like.

They are lending money to keep us afloat though Steve.

Do you know anyone else who can?

Not a penny of that interest has been paid over. Unlike PMG.

But they can at any time. And its turning into more debt is it not ? 34 Million in debt when they took over. Now over 70 million in debt now. Are they doing a good job so far ?????????????????

They don't take anything out of the Club ? Hmmm they said plane fare's come out of there own pockets !! That is good. But the money they are lending us they have a hefty Interest charge added on to further put us in debt. Is that not taking money out of the club ? Just asking like.

So if you were looking to take over a company would you charges less interest than the company (Langston) with the biggest debt? langston charge 7% so of course Tan is going to do the same.
Or would tan rather see his debt static while Sams investment increase

Hefty?? 7%??? Hhmmm

They don't take anything out of the Club ? Hmmm they said plane fare's come out of there own pockets !! That is good. But the money they are lending us they have a hefty Interest charge added on to further put us in debt. Is that not taking money out of the club ? Just asking like.

So if you were looking to take over a company would you charges less interest than the company (Langston) with the biggest debt? langston charge 7% so of course Tan is going to do the same.
Or would tan rather see his debt static while Sams investment increase

Hefty?? 7%??? Hhmmm

So don't say you aint taking anything out when you clearly are Hmmm.

They don't take anything out of the Club ? Hmmm they said plane fare's come out of there own pockets !! That is good. But the money they are lending us they have a hefty Interest charge added on to further put us in debt. Is that not taking money out of the club ? Just asking like.

So if you were looking to take over a company would you charges less interest than the company (Langston) with the biggest debt? langston charge 7% so of course Tan is going to do the same.
Or would tan rather see his debt static while Sams investment increase

Hefty?? 7%??? Hhmmm

So don't say you aint taking anything out when you clearly are Hmmm.

They have not taken it out though Steve.
The rate is there, but they have not taken it out, only put more in.
They can't take the interest as it ain't there to take!
They would not even get their money back!

They don't take anything out of the Club ? Hmmm they said plane fare's come out of there own pockets !! That is good. But the money they are lending us they have a hefty Interest charge added on to further put us in debt. Is that not taking money out of the club ? Just asking like.

So if you were looking to take over a company would you charges less interest than the company (Langston) with the biggest debt? langston charge 7% so of course Tan is going to do the same.
Or would tan rather see his debt static while Sams investment increase

Hefty?? 7%??? Hhmmm

So don't say you aint taking anything out when you clearly are Hmmm.

Can you please give me a figure of how much they have taken out of the club please?

They don't take anything out of the Club ? Hmmm they said plane fare's come out of there own pockets !! That is good. But the money they are lending us they have a hefty Interest charge added on to further put us in debt. Is that not taking money out of the club ? Just asking like.

So if you were looking to take over a company would you charges less interest than the company (Langston) with the biggest debt? langston charge 7% so of course Tan is going to do the same.
Or would tan rather see his debt static while Sams investment increase

Hefty?? 7%??? Hhmmm

So don't say you aint taking anything out when you clearly are Hmmm.

They have not taken it out though Steve.
The rate is there, but they have not taken it out, only put more in.
They can't take the interest as it ain't there to take!
They would not even get their money back!

How much is the land that the Stadium is on worth ? Selling of our assets Hmmm. But Steve, it is still debt at the end of the Day. And they would not recoup all there money but could get a size able amount back.
But as said before the only way they can make money is get us to the Prem. And so they did not need us to go red did they ? As you said other than assets there was nothing to take. So why were you all saying it was red or dead ???????????????????????????????????????????

They don't own the stadium or the club tho. (instead diverting with other comments).
And you still didnt answer how much they had taken out? Or why they should take less than other creditors like Langston?

They don't own the stadium or the club tho. (instead diverting with other comments).
And you still didnt answer how much they had taken out? Or why they should take less than other creditors like Langston?

If they want to call in there debt Chief they can strip us to get some of there money back. They are charging us interest, So that does not matter they haven't called it in yet. But they can and will that is a certainty. The fact they have not yet is immaterial. It does not matter then we are now over 70 Mill in debt ?

Not a penny of that interest has been paid over. Unlike PMG.

But they can at any time. And its turning into more debt is it not ? 34 Million in debt when they took over. Now over 70 million in debt now. Are they doing a good job so far ?????????????????

34 million in debt when they took over ? Thats bollox, who told you that ?

Take a look at the accounts.

Not a penny of that interest has been paid over. Unlike PMG.

But they can at any time. And its turning into more debt is it not ? 34 Million in debt when they took over. Now over 70 million in debt now. Are they doing a good job so far ?????????????????

34 million in debt when they took over ? Thats bollox, who told you that ?

Take a look at the accounts.

OK tell me how much we were in debt when they took over ? And how much we are in debt now Please.

They don't own the stadium or the club tho. (instead diverting with other comments).
And you still didnt answer how much they had taken out? Or why they should take less than other creditors like Langston?

If they want to call in there debt Chief they can strip us to get some of there money back. They are charging us interest, So that does not matter they haven't called it in yet. But they can and will that is a certainty. The fact they have not yet is immaterial. It does not matter then we are now over 70 Mill in debt ?

The key being 'some'.

Even if they sold everything we've got they would still be at least £20m out of pocket and thats rising by a million a month.

By the way the debts at May 2010 when the malaysians took over were just under £56m. They have put in money to pay off many of the critical debts, HMRC other clubs etc.. and rearranged others, without them we'd have gone into admin, absolutely no question.

For £1 you can get all the info you need to examin this, audited and checked and legally submitted by using webcheck at companies house.

Then you can make your point with the facts rather than figures which are just picked up from someone with an agenda on a message board.

They don't own the stadium or the club tho. (instead diverting with other comments).
And you still didnt answer how much they had taken out? Or why they should take less than other creditors like Langston?

If they want to call in there debt Chief they can strip us to get some of there money back. They are charging us interest, So that does not matter they haven't called it in yet. But they can and will that is a certainty. The fact they have not yet is immaterial. It does not matter then we are now over 70 Mill in debt ?

So if you were them would you come in and buy a company (or just under half a company) and charge no interest? Baring in mind another company who held the biggest debt was charging 7% (langston) and the club was struggling so bad just before they took over that Ridsdale had to take a loan at an interest rate of 150% for just a few million? (ray Ranson) just to survive?
Just a yes or no?

They don't take anything out of the Club ? Hmmm they said plane fare's come out of there own pockets !! That is good. But the money they are lending us they have a hefty Interest charge added on to further put us in debt. Is that not taking money out of the club ? Just asking like.

So if you were looking to take over a company would you charges less interest than the company (Langston) with the biggest debt? langston charge 7% so of course Tan is going to do the same.
Or would tan rather see his debt static while Sams investment increase

Hefty?? 7%??? Hhmmm

So don't say you aint taking anything out when you clearly are Hmmm.

They have not taken it out though Steve.
The rate is there, but they have not taken it out, only put more in.
They can't take the interest as it ain't there to take!
They would not even get their money back!

How much is the land that the Stadium is on worth ?

And who owns that land Hmmmm?