Dear oh dear

Looking at this from a far, I can only express my sadness at what's been going on at your club. Looks as if the fans have been taken for a ride by your chairman, big time. I'd heared about the debt, but surely what you've given up (your club identity, integrity, etc) is worth far more than getting into the Premiership in a few years. Haven't you ripped off another Welsh clubs identity (Wrexham) in the process?
Can't believe so many people have just decided to take this, the change from the old Cardiff we all hated back at Ninian Park to a bright, shiny interchangeable brand playing in front of replica shirts in a crappy bowl is now complete.
Football is well-and-truly fucked, just feel sorry for those who have stuck with the club through thick and thin only to see this happen.

Bet you'd like a sugar daddy to get you out of the lower leaves though eh?

Spot on mate pity it takes a fan from another club to tell our spineless bunch how it is

Bet you'd like a sugar daddy to get you out of the lower leaves though eh?

No, I'd rather my club go bankrupt and do it all over again than turn over the way you lot have.

Fan from another club my ass,just someone using another nic to stir up more shit,wonder what your ip address is

Spot on mate pity it takes a fan from another club to tell our spineless bunch how it is

Well said. Some of our fans have been herded like sheep. No wonder Gwyn was leader of the valley rams.

f**k off you wannabe cockney tw*t. I f*cking hate Southend, it's where I met my wife.

Bet you'd like a sugar daddy to get you out of the lower leaves though eh?

No, I'd rather my club go bankrupt and do it all over again than turn over the way you lot have.

Idiotic to want your club to go bankrupt.

Haven't you ripped off another Welsh clubs identity (Wrexham) in the process?

You mean Wrexham the ROBINS.

Oh wait, they changed their identity, didn't they?

There's as much chance of you being a Southend fan as their is of my shit being Arthur Scargill.

Looking at this from a far, I can only express my sadness at what's been going on at your club. Looks as if the fans have been taken for a ride by your chairman, big time. I'd heared about the debt, but surely what you've given up (your club identity, integrity, etc) is worth far more than getting into the Premiership in a few years. Haven't you ripped off another Welsh clubs identity (Wrexham) in the process?
Can't believe so many people have just decided to take this, the change from the old Cardiff we all hated back at Ninian Park to a bright, shiny interchangeable brand playing in front of replica shirts in a crappy bowl is now complete.
Football is well-and-truly fucked, just feel sorry for those who have stuck with the club through thick and thin only to see this happen.

Ahem ...100million...........ahem......who said that .........

Haven't you ripped off another Welsh clubs identity (Wrexham) in the process?

You mean Wrexham the ROBINS.

Oh wait, they changed their identity, didn't they?

There's as much chance of you being a Southend fan as their is of my shit being Arthur Scargill.

The title says it all, mate. Don't worry, I'm not a taff. Just thought I'd show a little bit of solidarity towards another club. By the way, do any of the people who voted for the change even remember Damon Searle? He was great for us. It's a shame your club's been taken over by mongs and middle-class student types now. The class of 83' must be ashamed.

southend-taking your comments at face value, you are spot on. A pathetic and shameful capitulation. A lot of our fans are in denial, and lashing out all over the place.

Damon Searle played for a few Welsh non-league clubs, and was working in a hospitality (or something similar) capacity for CCFC last season. He's probably going to be selling red shirts in a market in Shanghai next season.

1948-Don't blame a whole town for your choice of wives Buck stops with you mate. Sorry

Looking at this from a far, I can only express my sadness at what's been going on at your club. Looks as if the fans have been taken for a ride by your chairman, big time. I'd heared about the debt, but surely what you've given up (your club identity, integrity, etc) is worth far more than getting into the Premiership in a few years. Haven't you ripped off another Welsh clubs identity (Wrexham) in the process?
Can't believe so many people have just decided to take this, the change from the old Cardiff we all hated back at Ninian Park to a bright, shiny interchangeable brand playing in front of replica shirts in a crappy bowl is now complete.
Football is well-and-truly fucked, just feel sorry for those who have stuck with the club through thick and thin only to see this happen.

Ahem ...100million...........ahem......who said that .........

Somone may have said it but we have yet to see it. By the way the Mlaysians also said that they would give Malky funds in the Jan transfer window.

Looking at this from a far, I can only express my sadness at what's been going on at your club. Looks as if the fans have been taken for a ride by your chairman, big time. I'd heared about the debt, but surely what you've given up (your club identity, integrity, etc) is worth far more than getting into the Premiership in a few years. Haven't you ripped off another Welsh clubs identity (Wrexham) in the process?
Can't believe so many people have just decided to take this, the change from the old Cardiff we all hated back at Ninian Park to a bright, shiny interchangeable brand playing in front of replica shirts in a crappy bowl is now complete.
Football is well-and-truly fucked, just feel sorry for those who have stuck with the club through thick and thin only to see this happen.

True thinking about it what have we done?
Have we lost our souls?
Our Identity coming to think about we have but I always put the safety of the club first
Thou is there a way around this?

Haven't you ripped off another Welsh clubs identity (Wrexham) in the process?

You mean Wrexham the ROBINS.

Oh wait, they changed their identity, didn't they?

There's as much chance of you being a Southend fan as their is of my shit being Arthur Scargill.

It's a shame your club's been taken over by mongs and middle-class student types now. The class of 83' must be ashamed.

Here here pal, here f*cking here.

I was in my prime back in 83, some of the lads we have lost since then will be turning in there grave when they see some of the support we are attracting nowadays, happy clapping rugby types and it turns my stomach.

Bring back the era of Ninian Park and the Bluebird now please.

Bet you'd like a sugar daddy to get you out of the lower leaves though eh?

No, I'd rather my club go bankrupt and do it all over again than turn over the way you lot have.

Easy to say when you've never had the choice!

What saddens me is that you've sacrificed your real fans by consumers who have absolutely no loyalty whatsoever towards the club. The comparisons with MK Dons are quite accurate to me.

What saddens me is that you've sacrificed your real fans by consumers who have absolutely no loyalty whatsoever towards the club. The comparisons with MK Dons are quite accurate to me.

Like I said is their anyway around it?
VT is like a king
He controls us we seem to have no say!

Haven't you ripped off another Welsh clubs identity (Wrexham) in the process?

You mean Wrexham the ROBINS.

Oh wait, they changed their identity, didn't they?

There's as much chance of you being a Southend fan as their is of my shit being Arthur Scargill.

The title says it all, mate. Don't worry, I'm not a taff. Just thought I'd show a little bit of solidarity towards another club. By the way, do any of the people who voted for the change even remember Damon Searle? He was great for us. It's a shame your club's been taken over by mongs and middle-class student types now. The class of 83' must be ashamed.

Voted for the change? There was no official vote...

Did I want to change to red? Not particularly. Does it bother me? Not really.

Do I remember Damon Searle, yeah, not just from his time with us, but because I went to school with him. Cantonian.

Middle-class student types? Mongs? Well, I worked my ass off, got a degree, have a successful-ish company. I'm sorry you've got a pathological hatred of success. Might try counselling.

Haven't you ripped off another Welsh clubs identity (Wrexham) in the process?

You mean Wrexham the ROBINS.

Oh wait, they changed their identity, didn't they?

There's as much chance of you being a Southend fan as their is of my shit being Arthur Scargill.

The title says it all, mate. Don't worry, I'm not a taff. Just thought I'd show a little bit of solidarity towards another club. By the way, do any of the people who voted for the change even remember Damon Searle? He was great for us. It's a shame your club's been taken over by mongs and middle-class student types now. The class of 83' must be ashamed.

Voted for the change? There was no official vote...

Did I want to change to red? Not particularly. Does it bother me? Not really.

Do I remember Damon Searle, yeah, not just from his time with us, but because I went to school with him. Cantonian.

Middle-class student types? Mongs? Well, I worked my ass off, got a degree, have a successful-ish company. I'm sorry you've got a pathological hatred of success. Might try counselling.

How can you come across so educated having been to Cantonian

Haven't you ripped off another Welsh clubs identity (Wrexham) in the process?

You mean Wrexham the ROBINS.

Oh wait, they changed their identity, didn't they?

There's as much chance of you being a Southend fan as their is of my shit being Arthur Scargill.

The title says it all, mate. Don't worry, I'm not a taff. Just thought I'd show a little bit of solidarity towards another club. By the way, do any of the people who voted for the change even remember Damon Searle? He was great for us. It's a shame your club's been taken over by mongs and middle-class student types now. The class of 83' must be ashamed.

Voted for the change? There was no official vote...

Did I want to change to red? Not particularly. Does it bother me? Not really.

Do I remember Damon Searle, yeah, not just from his time with us, but because I went to school with him. Cantonian.

Middle-class student types? Mongs? Well, I worked my ass off, got a degree, have a successful-ish company. I'm sorry you've got a pathological hatred of success. Might try counselling.

How can you come across so educated having been to Cantonian

Dragged myself up...

Haven't you ripped off another Welsh clubs identity (Wrexham) in the process?

You mean Wrexham the ROBINS.

Oh wait, they changed their identity, didn't they?

There's as much chance of you being a Southend fan as their is of my shit being Arthur Scargill.

The title says it all, mate. Don't worry, I'm not a taff. Just thought I'd show a little bit of solidarity towards another club. By the way, do any of the people who voted for the change even remember Damon Searle? He was great for us. It's a shame your club's been taken over by mongs and middle-class student types now. The class of 83' must be ashamed.

Voted for the change? There was no official vote...

Did I want to change to red? Not particularly. Does it bother me? Not really.

Do I remember Damon Searle, yeah, not just from his time with us, but because I went to school with him. Cantonian.

Middle-class student types? Mongs? Well, I worked my ass off, got a degree, have a successful-ish company. I'm sorry you've got a pathological hatred of success. Might try counselling.

Hit a raw nerve, have I, Nerdy? No, loads of people from Essex bettered themselves in the 80's under Thatcher, I have nothing against that. Real fans do grow up with their clubs though.

Haven't you ripped off another Welsh clubs identity (Wrexham) in the process?

You mean Wrexham the ROBINS.

Oh wait, they changed their identity, didn't they?

There's as much chance of you being a Southend fan as their is of my shit being Arthur Scargill.

The title says it all, mate. Don't worry, I'm not a taff. Just thought I'd show a little bit of solidarity towards another club. By the way, do any of the people who voted for the change even remember Damon Searle? He was great for us. It's a shame your club's been taken over by mongs and middle-class student types now. The class of 83' must be ashamed.

Voted for the change? There was no official vote...

Did I want to change to red? Not particularly. Does it bother me? Not really.

Do I remember Damon Searle, yeah, not just from his time with us, but because I went to school with him. Cantonian.

Middle-class student types? Mongs? Well, I worked my ass off, got a degree, have a successful-ish company. I'm sorry you've got a pathological hatred of success. Might try counselling.

Hit a raw nerve, have I, Nerdy? No, loads of people from Essex bettered themselves in the 80's under Thatcher, I have nothing against that. Real fans do grow up with their clubs though.

lol, raw nerve. I've been through the really shit days, grown up with my club. I just see that there can be financial positives long term, whilst I'd prefer blue, it's not enough for me to walk away.

Haven't you ripped off another Welsh clubs identity (Wrexham) in the process?

You mean Wrexham the ROBINS.

Oh wait, they changed their identity, didn't they?

There's as much chance of you being a Southend fan as their is of my shit being Arthur Scargill.

The title says it all, mate. Don't worry, I'm not a taff. Just thought I'd show a little bit of solidarity towards another club. By the way, do any of the people who voted for the change even remember Damon Searle? He was great for us. It's a shame your club's been taken over by mongs and middle-class student types now. The class of 83' must be ashamed.

Voted for the change? There was no official vote...

Did I want to change to red? Not particularly. Does it bother me? Not really.

Do I remember Damon Searle, yeah, not just from his time with us, but because I went to school with him. Cantonian.

Middle-class student types? Mongs? Well, I worked my ass off, got a degree, have a successful-ish company. I'm sorry you've got a pathological hatred of success. Might try counselling.

How can you come across so educated having been to Cantonian

Dragged myself up...

I never managed to

Hit a raw nerve, have I, Nerdy? No, loads of people from Essex bettered themselves in the 80's under Thatcher, I have nothing against that. Real fans do grow up with their clubs though.[/quote]


So what do you make of the following then shrimper?


I have been a Cardiff fan all my life, all 24 years and my first game involved a 3-3 draw in the old third divison against Rotherham United. I have been a season ticket holder since that time. Since then Cardiff have ALWAYS played in BLUE. THE BLUEBIRDS.

Since that time ALOT has obviously changed, but not just our colour, crest or stadium.

When i First started watching Cardiff in the old 3rd Division there were only a 'couple' thousand of fans still watching them at home; including small minority of away fans.

We have since been promoted all the way back to the Championship and with it regularly get 20k plus; THIS has NOT always been so. It is fantastic that we have increased our support but not everyone who attends the CCS has always stuck by CCFC and that is a fact.

We also have a historically crippling debt and the world (especially Europe) is in the throws of a Recession. The club has been placed under embargo, winding up orders and 11th hour debt re-structuring protocols in the last five years. In honesty we have been close to NOT having a club to support at all. One not in existence. The new Financial Fair Play Rules (FFP) state that clubs in Europe can no longer spend more than they earn. WE earn around 6-8m a year approximately but we lose 10-12m (around a 1million per month). The FFP rules mean that we CANNOT spend money we don't earn and we cannot spend money we earn if it is outweighed by our debt and our Court required repayment minimum.

There are some fans who have asked the Malaysians to sell as we are an 'attractive proposition'. The TRUTH is after due diligence is done the club just becomes a numbers balancing act to allow us to:-

(1) Pay off debt
(2) Stave off administration
(3) Asset Stripping (e.g. our Players)

In doing this we also need to:-

(1) Grow the club
(2) Stay competitive (as we are a club used to competing for PL football year in year out)
(3) Invest in the Team and Facilities

This is a massive investment and any investor expects a return which even the 90m available from securing PL football (if achieved) is not worth the risk when you consider the debt our club is in. We are therefore not attractive for investment; from a purely business perspective and football is now a business.

If I had the money I would invest and Cardiff would compete in the PL and we would wear BLUE and the Bluebird would be prominent. I however do not have 1.25 billion and if I did I would only put my money in because this is my boyhood club. It is NOT Vincent Tan's boyhood club; yet he has still put his money in and saved CCFC. For that I will forever be grateful.

Yes it has come at a price of turning RED. It will take getting used to. The badge is not that bad (in my opinion) - we have always had a Dragon on our shirts (either in the crest or symbolized by our Nations flag. The owners have now moved the Dragon to the foreground and the BLUEBIRD underneath. The badge still celebrates our history: it incorporates the colour Blue, the BLUEBIRD, our EST: 1899 and while Fire and Passion is new it is something every fan on ther CCS terraces mentions. We have all said this year how much we like MM passion compared to the lack of DJs. This shows that club understand how we think and how we talk.

I wish we still played in BLUE. We are now RED. The badge does not try to hide our past but instead overtly celebrates it. I am grateful to the board and DTG and VT for that. They never threatened to leave but stated that there are less options for investment without the re-brand and I am sure that their business advisers would have advised that they pull out; with the new FFP rules and the clubs debt. They HAVE STAYED. The Club has EVOLVED; as sad as it is to see our Blue heritage fall to the sidelines.

They have promised funds to get us into the PL and compete and promised to safeguard the long-term future of our club that we love. So that there is a club for our children to support in the future.

The fans are divided. I am not trying to anger anyone as I am aware that this will be broadcasted to the same people who I stand and cheer with in the CCS every other week and that when we are there as one - we all want the best for CARDIFF CITY. It is a fact however that the Malaysians have ensured that we still have a club to argue and debate over and again for that I am thankful.

Lets support the club, support each other and the owners and more importantly the TEAM. Lets celebrate our past, our history and our tradition. Please try and embrace the RED of our future. The red on our shirts and the red in our accountants books.

Football must honor tradition and history. It is the least our supporters and players of 'yesteryear' deserve and should expect. It does not however pay the bills or the taxman. Above tradition; all the people past and present that have supported CCFC DESERVE a CLUB. So does our future. It may not be in the colour we envisaged but at least we have a Future.

So to DTG and VT I personally Thank YOU for saving our club.

WE ARE CCFC - THE BLUEBIRDS. Together.

Southend why is your ip address in wales

Face facts. The cockney cunts right. We are the laughing stock of british football.

Looking at this from a far, I can only express my sadness at what's been going on at your club. Looks as if the fans have been taken for a ride by your chairman, big time. I'd heared about the debt, but surely what you've given up (your club identity, integrity, etc) is worth far more than getting into the Premiership in a few years. Haven't you ripped off another Welsh clubs identity (Wrexham) in the process?
Can't believe so many people have just decided to take this, the change from the old Cardiff we all hated back at Ninian Park to a bright, shiny interchangeable brand playing in front of replica shirts in a crappy bowl is now complete.
Football is well-and-truly fucked, just feel sorry for those who have stuck with the club through thick and thin only to see this happen.

Thanks for taking an interest but its not all about getting to the Premiership i'm afraid its about survival more than anything. We all like to think we can carry on like we are but unfortunately our previous two Chairman have got us into one hell of a financial mess and we have been lucky enough to end up with a guy who is one hell of a successful businessman who has worked out a way to not only get rid of our debts through investment of his personal funds but also has visions of how we can generate additional income to thrive as well particularly when the restrictions on spending comes into force the season after next. Many on here would have you believe that turning red is simply a whim and could not possibly lead to additional income streams. Personally I prefer a nice stadium and am one of those who have been here through thick and thin as a supporter of 40 years. We all have differing views but fortunately the majority want out club to survive, other would prefer liquidation it would seem just to stay red. Unfortunately they think all we have to do is go into administration like so many other clubs have. They fail to realise we are in to deep for administration, it would be liquidation for us

Looking at this from a far, I can only express my sadness at what's been going on at your club. Looks as if the fans have been taken for a ride by your chairman, big time. I'd heared about the debt, but surely what you've given up (your club identity, integrity, etc) is worth far more than getting into the Premiership in a few years. Haven't you ripped off another Welsh clubs identity (Wrexham) in the process?
Can't believe so many people have just decided to take this, the change from the old Cardiff we all hated back at Ninian Park to a bright, shiny interchangeable brand playing in front of replica shirts in a crappy bowl is now complete.
Football is well-and-truly fucked, just feel sorry for those who have stuck with the club through thick and thin only to see this happen.

Piss off Daya.

Bet you'd like a sugar daddy to get you out of the lower leaves though eh?

No, I'd rather my club go bankrupt and do it all over again than turn over the way you lot have.

so you would rather your club go bankrupt? mmm that means you will no longer support southend as bankrupt means club no more you will support afc southend which is not same as the club you did support southend utd, just shows you have love for southend utd