Welsh Independence?

Is it actually possible. My automatic feeling has always been 'no'. But why? The general opinion is that we could not support ourselves. Our fathers were too stupid, we are too stupid and our sons and daughters will be too stupid. We need to go begging to the English in order to survive. But is this true?

http://cambriapolitico.com/is-wales-eco ... ly-viable/

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/adam-pr ... 11083.html

I am still undecided. But for those against, please offer something other than the usual drivel. Diolch yn fawr

If Scotland can do it, they are pushing for it and are nearly there, then we can f*cking do it

If Scotland can do it, they are pushing for it and are nearly there, then we can f*cking do it

They have far more natural resources and public support than ourselves.

If Scotland can do it, they are pushing for it and are nearly there, then we can f*cking do it

They have far more natural resources and public support than ourselves.

fe godwn ni eto

>someone makes a valid anti nationalist point
>respond in Welsh to obsfucate the issue

Nice

>someone makes a valid anti nationalist point
>respond in Welsh to obsfucate the issue

Nice

It only means 'we will rise again'

why the beef?

>someone makes a valid anti nationalist point
>respond in Welsh to obsfucate the issue

Nice

It only means 'we will rise again'

why the beef?

I know what it means, OhhGa made a point as to why independence is currently unfeasible and you responded with a totally disconnected point

>someone makes a valid anti nationalist point
>respond in Welsh to obsfucate the issue

Nice

It only means 'we will rise again'

why the beef?

I know what it means, OhhGa made a point as to why independence is currently unfeasible and you responded with a totally disconnected point

Oh sorry 'LAD'

So do you have any evidence to suggest that Wales could function as an independent nation? No?

>someone makes a valid anti nationalist point
>respond in Welsh to obsfucate the issue

Nice

It only means 'we will rise again'

why the beef?

I know what it means, OhhGa made a point as to why independence is currently unfeasible and you responded with a totally disconnected point

Oh sorry 'LAD'

lulz

>someone makes a valid anti nationalist point
>respond in Welsh to obsfucate the issue

Nice

Despite our somewhat hatred for eachother I am begginning to appreciate your posts a hell of a lot more, very funny.

"Why the Beef" As if it's only okay to disagree with someone if you hate the person rather than the opinion.

Can we please hear the following:

1) This guy's justification for his views, and the reasoning behind them (eg why an independent Wales?)

2) His proposals for sustaining an independent Wales.

Should be fun.

Welsh Independence? no thanks

Can we please hear the following:

1) This guy's justification for his views, and the reasoning behind them (eg why an independent Wales?)

2) His proposals for sustaining an independent Wales.

Should be fun.

Listen....

A wall of silence. Shock.

Can we please hear the following:

1) This guy's justification for his views, and the reasoning behind them (eg why an independent Wales?)

2) His proposals for sustaining an independent Wales.

Should be fun.

Listen....

A wall of silence. Shock.

He seems to have vanished! Oh well, done everyone a favour.

So do you have any evidence to suggest that Wales could function as an independent nation? No?

Do you have evidence that it couldn't? No.

So do you have any evidence to suggest that Wales could function as an independent nation? No?

Do you have evidence that it couldn't? No.

Solid rebuttal.

So do you have any evidence to suggest that Wales could function as an independent nation? No?

Do you have evidence that it couldn't? No.

Lack of public support, lack of economic sustainability, lack of natural resources, lack of unity and definitive ambitions...

Just a bad idea, I can't see any benefit to becoming Independant

So do you have any evidence to suggest that Wales could function as an independent nation? No?

Do you have evidence that it couldn't? No.

Lack of public support, lack of economic sustainability, lack of natural resources, lack of unity and definitive ambitions...

But where's the proof, as far as i'm concerned that's just out of your mouth, or keyboard...

So do you have any evidence to suggest that Wales could function as an independent nation? No?

Do you have evidence that it couldn't? No.

Lack of public support, lack of economic sustainability, lack of natural resources, lack of unity and definitive ambitions...

But where's the proof, as far as i'm concerned that's just out of your mouth, or keyboard...

Lack of public support is demonstrated, on a smaller scale, by this messageboard for example. Lack of economic sustainability is shown by financial figures detailing our reliance on external union funding and the general Welsh economy, lack of unity is once again proven by this messageboard and so on.

Why am I answering my own question for your sake? Please, have the courtesy to form a worthy response yourself.

Is it actually possible. My automatic feeling has always been 'no'. But why? The general opinion is that we could not support ourselves. Our fathers were too stupid, we are too stupid and our sons and daughters will be too stupid. We need to go begging to the English in order to survive. But is this true?

http://cambriapolitico.com/is-wales-eco ... ly-viable/

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/adam-pr ... 11083.html

I am still undecided. But for those against, please offer something other than the usual drivel. Diolch yn fawr

No other country in the world suffers with an inferiority complex like ours.

I think another question that needs to be asked is, why, when we are one of the poorest regions of Europe (have been since Thatcher's cull of our heavy industry), do we still trust the London Government to 'do what's in our interest' ?

Surely we aren't so devoid of ambition and skill as to not be capable of fomulating policy to stimulate indiginous business and industry? There is an old argument that suggests that we have a hundred years worth of coal left untapped in the ground...well maybe so, but surely an independent Wales CAN work by stimulating our own pivate sector?

Is it actually possible. My automatic feeling has always been 'no'. But why? The general opinion is that we could not support ourselves. Our fathers were too stupid, we are too stupid and our sons and daughters will be too stupid. We need to go begging to the English in order to survive. But is this true?

http://cambriapolitico.com/is-wales-eco ... ly-viable/

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/adam-pr ... 11083.html

I am still undecided. But for those against, please offer something other than the usual drivel. Diolch yn fawr

No other country in the world suffers with an inferiority complex like ours.

I think another question that needs to be asked is, why, when we are one of the poorest regions of Europe (have been since Thatcher's cull of our heavy industry), do we still trust the London Government to 'do what's in our interest' ?

Surely we aren't so devoid of ambition and skill as to not be capable of fomulating policy to stimulate indiginous business and industry? There is an old argument that suggests that we have a hundred years worth of coal left untapped in the ground...well maybe so, but surely an independent Wales CAN work by stimulating our own pivate sector?

The only way Wales 'could've work is if you cut the benefit handouts immensely. However because of the deep routed socialist ideology which is in much of the Welsh population then it has no chance.

As the old political saying goes 'it easier to throw stones than take full responsibility'.

The only way Wales 'could've work is if you cut the benefit handouts immensely. However because of the deep routed socialist ideology which is in much of the Welsh population then it has no chance.

As the old political saying goes 'it easier to throw stones than take full responsibility'.

I disagree that there's a "deep-rooted socialist ideology" in Wales. It's just that people don't want to be raped by the right again like they were by Thatcher, so understandably they have drifted towards the left. This, combined with the larger proportion of working-class voters, explains alot.

Is it actually possible. My automatic feeling has always been 'no'. But why? The general opinion is that we could not support ourselves. Our fathers were too stupid, we are too stupid and our sons and daughters will be too stupid. We need to go begging to the English in order to survive. But is this true?

http://cambriapolitico.com/is-wales-eco ... ly-viable/

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/adam-pr ... 11083.html

I am still undecided. But for those against, please offer something other than the usual drivel. Diolch yn fawr

No other country in the world suffers with an inferiority complex like ours.

I think another question that needs to be asked is, why, when we are one of the poorest regions of Europe (have been since Thatcher's cull of our heavy industry), do we still trust the London Government to 'do what's in our interest' ?

Surely we aren't so devoid of ambition and skill as to not be capable of fomulating policy to stimulate indiginous business and industry? There is an old argument that suggests that we have a hundred years worth of coal left untapped in the ground...well maybe so, but surely an independent Wales CAN work by stimulating our own pivate sector?

The only way Wales 'could've work is if you cut the benefit handouts immensely. However because of the deep routed socialist ideology which is in much of the Welsh population then it has no chance.

As the old political saying goes 'it easier to throw stones than take full responsibility'.

This, I fear, is the cancer in our national psyche...this and a lack of belief.

There are deep rooted problems in our society, but going it alone with a brand new progressive political idelogy, based on hard work and a greater emphasis on education is the way forward...but it's altering the national mindset that's the issue

If Scotland can do it, they are pushing for it and are nearly there, then we can f*cking do it

They have far more natural resources and public support than ourselves.

An oil firm has recently discovered alot of oil just of jackland bay, mass amount of shale gas in south Wales(?) and we could re open our coal mines to potential Chinese investors.

Oh yea, gold has been discovered up north Wales, we are selling lamb meat to Canada and we can fish of our coast.

Emotionally I suspect that many of us would vote for independence, we care about Wales and being Welsh. But emotion does not feed, clothe and house us. When we look at the UK economy we see that the powerhouse is the South East of England. One of the major reasons for this is proximity to the markets in Europe.

Why do the valleys struggle compared to the M4 corridor near Cardiff and Newport? Because transport costs are lower that taking raw materials and finished products to and from Pontypridd, Merthyr Tydfil etc. Likewise, why run a business in Wales when Surrey, Kent etc. are so close to France and the rest of Europe? Even with a service and IT technology led economy there is the need to meet with suppliers and customers!

There may be 100 years of coal underground, but the cost of extracting and transporting it is greater than the cost of importing coal from abroad. Wales has many assets - it's heritage, marvellous mountains, beaches etc. but Ireland, Scotland and England also have many wonderful tourist attractions.

So yes Wales could survive, but the chances are the average income would probably be lower than as part of the UK. I have yet to see anyone make a reasoned case why Welsh businesses and economy should improve if we gained independence. What could businesses do that cannot be done within the UK?

This doesn't mean that the Welsh are failures, just that we are clever enough to know that we can achieve more by working with the other parts of the UK.

If Scotland can do it, they are pushing for it and are nearly there, then we can f*cking do it

They have far more natural resources and public support than ourselves.

An oil firm has recently discovered alot of oil just of jackland bay, mass amount of shale gas in south Wales(?) and we could re open our coal mines to potential Chinese investors.

Oh yea, gold has been discovered up north Wales, we are selling lamb meat to Canada and we can fish of our coast.

That's great if true however there is more oil in Scoland and the surrounding area, shale gas is ridiculously expensive to extract, we import far more coal than we would ever export, and China has the third largest coal reserve in the world.

There is barely any gold left in wales, certainly not enough to export. Also the exportation of meat would have a minimal effect on the economy as prices are low.

Is it actually possible. My automatic feeling has always been 'no'. But why? The general opinion is that we could not support ourselves. Our fathers were too stupid, we are too stupid and our sons and daughters will be too stupid. We need to go begging to the English in order to survive. But is this true?

http://cambriapolitico.com/is-wales-eco ... ly-viable/

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/adam-pr ... 11083.html

I am still undecided. But for those against, please offer something other than the usual drivel. Diolch yn fawr

You've only got to drive around the roads of Ireland to realise what a shit idea independence is

If Scotland can do it, they are pushing for it and are nearly there, then we can f*cking do it

They have far more natural resources and public support than ourselves.

An oil firm has recently discovered alot of oil just of jackland bay, mass amount of shale gas in south Wales(?) and we could re open our coal mines to potential Chinese investors.

Oh yea, gold has been discovered up north Wales, we are selling lamb meat to Canada and we can fish of our coast.

That's great if true however there is more oil in Scoland and the surrounding area, shale gas is ridiculously expensive to extract, we import far more coal than we would ever export, and China has the third largest coal reserve in the world.

There is barely any gold left in wales, certainly not enough to export. Also the exportation of meat would have a minimal effect on the economy as prices are low.

All true but surely there would be other buyers for coal? And the amount of gold is £123mil approx which you're right, isn't alot.

One thing we both missed out, tourism, tourism is growing to my understanding. Cardiff for example is the 6th most visited city on earth with 18mil, approx, visitors per year.

Also all taxes in Wales would go to the government, business tax, income tax etc.

But I'm not saying I want independence, besides I'm joinin the army when the Sargent finds my medical.