when will the politicians close the gates to immigrants

oh i think all the time my friend

but the simple matter is if our workforce is unwilling to work
somebody has to

Now I think you're being no better than the ones who blame everything on the Immigrants . There's lot of people in this country who either work or would like too and they're all not immigrants.

The real reason why an employer picks an immigrant is because they're cheap and have little interest in pay raises or days off ECT (like a British worker would) That's the real reason when all is said and done and its also nothing to do with Skills or doing the Jobs we hate (like fruit picking). You don't needs skills to be a Factory worker (most are taught in the work place) or to be a HGV , Taxi, Bus driver or work in a Hotel , Casino but more and more those jobs are going to immigrants rather than the British , same goes for the Building trade too

oh i think all the time my friend

but the simple matter is if our workforce is unwilling to work
somebody has to

Now I think you're being no better than the ones who blame everything on the Immigrants . There's lot of people in this country who either work or would like too and they're all not immigrants.

The real reason why an employer picks an immigrant is because they're cheap and have little interest in pay raises or days off ECT (like a British worker would) That's the real reason when all is said and done and its also nothing to do with Skills or doing the Jobs we hate (like fruit picking). You don't needs skills to be a Factory worker (most are taught in the work place) or to be a HGV , Taxi, Bus driver or work in a Hotel , Casino but more and more those jobs are going to immigrants rather than the British , same goes for the Building trade too

do you work in the government sector??????.....i work in the building trade have done all my life....as for days off...ive never been in the fortunate position to get paid for a day off....and pay rise yep i had one 5 years ago....since then i have lost £2 per hour

oh i think all the time my friend

but the simple matter is if our workforce is unwilling to work
somebody has to

Now I think you're being no better than the ones who blame everything on the Immigrants . There's lot of people in this country who either work or would like too and they're all not immigrants.

The real reason why an employer picks an immigrant is because they're cheap and have little interest in pay raises or days off ECT (like a British worker would) That's the real reason when all is said and done and its also nothing to do with Skills or doing the Jobs we hate (like fruit picking). You don't needs skills to be a Factory worker (most are taught in the work place) or to be a HGV , Taxi, Bus driver or work in a Hotel , Casino but more and more those jobs are going to immigrants rather than the British , same goes for the Building trade too

can i ask how old you are mate
not having a go
but im 27
when i was in school i was taught education was everything and if you didnt go to university youve failed as a person
now with this attitude that people of my age and down have been given
your told that if you dont get these jobs youve failed
you dont get told
yes university is an option and yes a degree will open the opportunity for better jobs
but and its a big BUT
there are so many other jobs
those that give you the opportunities that through hard work you can achieve higher paid jobs
but you have to start somewhere
immigrants come over with the right attitude
start at the bottom and work up
something this country especially in my age group doesnt want to do and isnt prepared to do, they want everything instantly and are not prepared to work for it.

now we have the problem with all these university students coming out of university with mickey mouse degrees expecting these jobs which this government or society can not provide

and we rely on immigrants to do our dirty work for us

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The illegals are the ones to worry about a stop has to be put to them. Literally billions of pounds. are put into catching them, detaining them, putting them through the legal system then putting them on planes to their home countries and guess what for good measure our government give them £1500 in their back pocket to go back home with that's their fare back over here More resources need to be putting a stop to them getting here in the first place plugging the gaping holes with thousands more immigration staff it will save fortunes in the long run. However I doubt if it will happen politicians are too thick to see the obvious

oh i think all the time my friend

but the simple matter is if our workforce is unwilling to work
somebody has to

Now I think you're being no better than the ones who blame everything on the Immigrants . There's lot of people in this country who either work or would like too and they're all not immigrants.

The real reason why an employer picks an immigrant is because they're cheap and have little interest in pay raises or days off ECT (like a British worker would) That's the real reason when all is said and done and its also nothing to do with Skills or doing the Jobs we hate (like fruit picking). You don't needs skills to be a Factory worker (most are taught in the work place) or to be a HGV , Taxi, Bus driver or work in a Hotel , Casino but more and more those jobs are going to immigrants rather than the British , same goes for the Building trade too

Agree, but a polish worker with 4 kids in poland gets child benefit sent home. Plus no morgage here. So he can afford to work for less money. Not his fault, but is that fair on local workers?

do you work in the government sector??????.....i work in the building trade have done all my life....as for days off...ive never been in the fortunate position to get paid for a day off....and pay rise yep i had one 5 years ago....since then i have lost £2 per hour

You're self employed you mean ? Otherwise you should not only by law get day's off, you should get paid days off even if you'e in the Private sector I think you find and before you ask , Yes I have worked in the Private sector boths in Goods inwards and has an CNC operator, not just worked in the Public sector where I haven't had a pay rise in 3 years btw

And No days off Huh , How you manage to post on a Cardiff board much less ever get to see the Team in action is beyond me .

can i ask how old you are mate
not having a go
but im 27

I'm 30 and left school with just 5 GCSE's and went straight into the Factory work has an service boy getting £80 a week and worked my way up . Sadly most of the Factory that would employ people like me at school age are no longer there with the likes of Panasonic, Hitachi , Sony all pulling out .

That's a huge problem for our youngest today

Just been on the radio they have a problem in Northampton with slovakians camping on the roundabouts. No jobs none of them some emotional cretin like Jonny saying they need to be housed. Bit of a ploy living on a round about to get help. Jonny the country is full , repeat full , repeat full please think before u write any more. I can't be bothered with this thread I have work to do so good bye.

oh i think all the time my friend

but the simple matter is if our workforce is unwilling to work
somebody has to

there isnt a shortage of jobs in this country
what there is, is a shortage of desirable jobs in this country and an expectancy that everything will be done for you
an alien concept in most other countries but accepted in ours
we have a reliance on immigrant workers and until we actually get off our backsides and work we always will

I tell you what Jonny, I wish talking bollux was an Olympic sport because you'd bag the gold hands down.

Merthyr is full of Polish people on benefits so how the flying f**k are those people doing any job that other people in Merthyr won't do?

Tell you what if there isn't a shortage of jobs in Merthyr, where lots of Polish have settled recently, find some then. List here the currently available full time jobs that are being offered in Merthyr. Come on big boy step up and show us where all these jobs are.

Just been on the radio they have a problem in Northampton with slovakians camping on the roundabouts. No jobs none of them some emotional cretin like Jonny saying they need to be housed. Bit of a ploy living on a round about to get help. Jonny the country is full , repeat full , repeat full please think before u write any more. I can't be bothered with this thread I have work to do so good bye.

oh i think all the time my friend

but the simple matter is if our workforce is unwilling to work
somebody has to

there isnt a shortage of jobs in this country
what there is, is a shortage of desirable jobs in this country and an expectancy that everything will be done for you
an alien concept in most other countries but accepted in ours
we have a reliance on immigrant workers and until we actually get off our backsides and work we always will

I tell you what Jonny, I wish talking bollux was an Olympic sport because you'd bag the gold hands down.

Merthyr is full of Polish people on benefits so how the flying f**k are those people doing any job that other people in Merthyr won't do?

Tell you what if there isn't a shortage of jobs in Merthyr, where lots of Polish have settled recently, find some then. List here the currently available full time jobs that are being offered in Merthyr. Come on big boy step up and show us where all these jobs are.

I think you should say there's no shortage of Jobs in Merthyr because most of the native work force are on the sick

do you work in the government sector??????.....i work in the building trade have done all my life....as for days off...ive never been in the fortunate position to get paid for a day off....and pay rise yep i had one 5 years ago....since then i have lost £2 per hour

You're self employed you mean ? Otherwise you should not only by law get day's off, you should get paid days off even if you'e in the Private sector I think you find and before you ask , Yes I have worked in the Private sector boths in Goods inwards and has an CNC operator, not just worked in the Public sector where I haven't had a pay rise in 3 years btw

And No days off Huh , How you manage to post on a Cardiff board much less ever get to see the Team in action is beyond me .

i work nights in bristol ,but today i start a job in aberdare..again nights...yep i dont work every weekend but i do work as i am this weekend...yes im self employed....but when i worked on the books never got sick pay...never...yep got holiday pay...so i guess you work for the government????????

do you work in the government sector??????.....i work in the building trade have done all my life....as for days off...ive never been in the fortunate position to get paid for a day off....and pay rise yep i had one 5 years ago....since then i have lost £2 per hour

You're self employed you mean ? Otherwise you should not only by law get day's off, you should get paid days off even if you'e in the Private sector I think you find and before you ask , Yes I have worked in the Private sector boths in Goods inwards and has an CNC operator, not just worked in the Public sector where I haven't had a pay rise in 3 years btw

And No days off Huh , How you manage to post on a Cardiff board much less ever get to see the Team in action is beyond me .

He said he dos'nt get PAID for days off. What a pathetic and condescending post.

Just been on the radio they have a problem in Northampton with slovakians camping on the roundabouts. No jobs none of them some emotional cretin like Jonny saying they need to be housed. Bit of a ploy living on a round about to get help. Jonny the country is full , repeat full , repeat full please think before u write any more. I can't be bothered with this thread I have work to do so good bye.

oh i think all the time my friend

but the simple matter is if our workforce is unwilling to work
somebody has to

there isnt a shortage of jobs in this country
what there is, is a shortage of desirable jobs in this country and an expectancy that everything will be done for you
an alien concept in most other countries but accepted in ours
we have a reliance on immigrant workers and until we actually get off our backsides and work we always will

I tell you what Jonny, I wish talking bollux was an Olympic sport because you'd bag the gold hands down.

Merthyr is full of Polish people on benefits so how the flying f**k are those people doing any job that other people in Merthyr won't do?

Tell you what if there isn't a shortage of jobs in Merthyr, where lots of Polish have settled recently, find some then. List here the currently available full time jobs that are being offered in Merthyr. Come on big boy step up and show us where all these jobs are.

http://jobseekers.direct.gov.uk/listjob ... o=1&rpp=20

13 pages of available jobs in the merthyr area

He said he dos'nt get PAID for days off. What a pathetic and condescending post.

We live in the UK, By law you get paid Holidays be that in the private or Public sector , unless you're self employed that is and well that's you choice if you are

.yes im self employed....but when i worked on the books never got sick pay...never...yep got holiday pay...so i guess you work for the government????????

I thought you were Self employed and that's your choice (not a dig btw)

And I really don't get why you think only Public sector workers get paid Holiday pay , Private employers also have to give 2 weeks paid holiday by law for 'full time' workers in this country and many enjoyed their paid for Easter bank Holiday just the other day no doubt

Just been on the radio they have a problem in Northampton with slovakians camping on the roundabouts. No jobs none of them some emotional cretin like Jonny saying they need to be housed. Bit of a ploy living on a round about to get help. Jonny the country is full , repeat full , repeat full please think before u write any more. I can't be bothered with this thread I have work to do so good bye.

oh i think all the time my friend

but the simple matter is if our workforce is unwilling to work
somebody has to

there isnt a shortage of jobs in this country
what there is, is a shortage of desirable jobs in this country and an expectancy that everything will be done for you
an alien concept in most other countries but accepted in ours
we have a reliance on immigrant workers and until we actually get off our backsides and work we always will

I tell you what Jonny, I wish talking bollux was an Olympic sport because you'd bag the gold hands down.

Merthyr is full of Polish people on benefits so how the flying f**k are those people doing any job that other people in Merthyr won't do?

Tell you what if there isn't a shortage of jobs in Merthyr, where lots of Polish have settled recently, find some then. List here the currently available full time jobs that are being offered in Merthyr. Come on big boy step up and show us where all these jobs are.

http://jobseekers.direct.gov.uk/listjob ... o=1&rpp=20

13 pages of available jobs in the merthyr area

Are you sure there's 13 pages or did you just do a quick search? Is Bargoed, Tredegar etc etc in Merthyr now? Aberdare, Bleana etc. Plus if you'd bothered to have a proper look rather than a quick search you'll find that a lot of those posts are repeated, basically because they've got a crap search facility on their website. Plus I don't see many full time jobs there.

But even if there were 13 pages of full time jobs there, that should sort out the several THOUSAND UNEMPLOYED POLISH PEOPLE currently living in Merthyr shouldn't it. They are even selling the Big Issue up three for f**k sake.

He said he dos'nt get PAID for days off. What a pathetic and condescending post.

We live in the UK, By law you get paid Holidays be that in the private or Public sector , unless you're self employed that is and well that's you choice if you are

i tend to disagree with the self employment 'thats your choice statement'......many people when looking for work are only considered on a self employment basis...there is no other option...for me personally..im ok with being self employed.as you say ...my choice

He said he dos'nt get PAID for days off. What a pathetic and condescending post.

We live in the UK, By law you get paid Holidays be that in the private or Public sector , unless you're self employed that is and well that's you choice if you are

Yes we do live in the UK. Im glad you acknowledge the fact. If the man finds time to post on this msg board he can without having to explain himself to you. Its one of the reasons this country defeated fasicem and liberated poland for.

Just been out to town dinnertime (Merthyr) and full of deadbeats both local, and immigrants.

Popped to the bookies, immigrants in there as usual. Same every day.

These are not workers, they are scumbags, which this country already has enough of.

So you think thats right Johnny? They come over here and claim OUR taxes to spend on cheap vodka / cider, fritter the benefits away in the bookies, and just generally be a nuisance around the banks, doctors surgerys, tescos.etc.?

can i ask how old you are mate
not having a go
but im 27

I'm 30 and left school with just 5 GCSE's and went straight into the Factory work has an service boy getting £80 a week and worked my way up . Sadly most of the Factory that would employ people like me at school age are no longer there with the likes of Panasonic, Hitachi , Sony all pulling out .

That's a huge problem for our youngest today[/quote

yes factory closures are always a problem
but a bigger problem
how many people these days do you know who will start working for £80 a week like you did
i left school with 11 GCSE's and joined the Navy
money wasnt great when i started but you keep working hard and get promoted you start earning more
its how it works something kids these days dont understand

He said he dos'nt get PAID for days off. What a pathetic and condescending post.

We live in the UK, By law you get paid Holidays be that in the private or Public sector , unless you're self employed that is and well that's you choice if you are

i tend to disagree with the self employment 'thats your choice statement'......many people when looking for work are only considered on a self employment basis...there is no other option...for me personally..im ok with being self employed.as you say ...my choice

100% agree. Some people have no choice.

. Its one of the reasons this country defeated fasicem and liberated poland for.

Trying to be clever are we. Did they teach you history in school ?. I'll think you find this country was build on Immigration during the Iron and Coal industrial age . Its nothing new having a lot of Polish workers in Wales or the Valleys

Ask any Miner and they'll tell you how hard the Polish would work down the Pits .

.yes im self employed....but when i worked on the books never got sick pay...never...yep got holiday pay...so i guess you work for the government????????

I thought you were Self employed and that's your choice (not a dig btw)

And I really don't get why you think only Public sector workers get paid Holiday pay , Private employers also have to give 2 weeks paid holiday by law for 'full time' workers in this country and many enjoyed their paid for Easter bank Holiday just the other day no doubt

i said nothing about only public sector getting paid.....i just feel that most public sector are shielded from the real world...not all...and as for easter....i enjoyed my bank holidays off...even with no pay

off to work now...hope aberdare is a nice place ..good debatting with you

Just been on the radio they have a problem in Northampton with slovakians camping on the roundabouts. No jobs none of them some emotional cretin like Jonny saying they need to be housed. Bit of a ploy living on a round about to get help. Jonny the country is full , repeat full , repeat full please think before u write any more. I can't be bothered with this thread I have work to do so good bye.

oh i think all the time my friend

but the simple matter is if our workforce is unwilling to work
somebody has to

there isnt a shortage of jobs in this country
what there is, is a shortage of desirable jobs in this country and an expectancy that everything will be done for you
an alien concept in most other countries but accepted in ours
we have a reliance on immigrant workers and until we actually get off our backsides and work we always will

I tell you what Jonny, I wish talking bollux was an Olympic sport because you'd bag the gold hands down.

Merthyr is full of Polish people on benefits so how the flying f**k are those people doing any job that other people in Merthyr won't do?

Tell you what if there isn't a shortage of jobs in Merthyr, where lots of Polish have settled recently, find some then. List here the currently available full time jobs that are being offered in Merthyr. Come on big boy step up and show us where all these jobs are.

http://jobseekers.direct.gov.uk/listjob ... o=1&rpp=20

13 pages of available jobs in the merthyr area

Are you sure there's 13 pages or did you just do a quick search? Is Bargoed, Tredegar etc etc in Merthyr now? Aberdare, Bleana etc. Plus if you'd bothered to have a proper look rather than a quick search you'll find that a lot of those posts are repeated, basically because they've got a crap search facility on their website. Plus I don't see many full time jobs there.

But even if there were 13 pages of full time jobs there, that should sort out the several THOUSAND UNEMPLOYED POLISH PEOPLE currently living in Merthyr shouldn't it. They are even selling the Big Issue up three for f**k sake.

Bargoed http://jobseekers.direct.gov.uk/listjob ... o=1&rpp=20

Tredegar http://jobseekers.direct.gov.uk/listjob ... o=1&rpp=20

Aberdare http://jobseekers.direct.gov.uk/listjob ... o=1&rpp=20

now im sure there will be some cross over in some jobs

but if the British citizens of Merthyr wont apply for them the Polish will
and if the Polish are selling the Big Issue why arent the British

i said nothing about only public sector getting paid.....i just feel that most public sector are shielded from the real world...not all...and as for easter....i enjoyed my bank holidays off...even with no pay

I say again any full time worker gets paid holidays , even has an humble service boy way back whe for a 'private' Chinese firm this was the case and we even had 5 rest days too amazing ...

oh i think all the time my friend

but the simple matter is if our workforce is unwilling to work
somebody has to

Now I think you're being no better than the ones who blame everything on the Immigrants . There's lot of people in this country who either work or would like too and they're all not immigrants.

The real reason why an employer picks an immigrant is because they're cheap and have little interest in pay raises or days off ECT (like a British worker would) That's the real reason when all is said and done and its also nothing to do with Skills or doing the Jobs we hate (like fruit picking). You don't needs skills to be a Factory worker (most are taught in the work place) or to be a HGV , Taxi, Bus driver or work in a Hotel , Casino but more and more those jobs are going to immigrants rather than the British , same goes for the Building trade too

can i ask how old you are mate
not having a go
but im 27
when i was in school i was taught education was everything and if you didnt go to university youve failed as a person
now with this attitude that people of my age and down have been given
your told that if you dont get these jobs youve failed
you dont get told
yes university is an option and yes a degree will open the opportunity for better jobs
but and its a big BUT
there are so many other jobs
those that give you the opportunities that through hard work you can achieve higher paid jobs
but you have to start somewhere
immigrants come over with the right attitude
start at the bottom and work up
something this country especially in my age group doesnt want to do and isnt prepared to do, they want everything instantly and are not prepared to work for it.

now we have the problem with all these university students coming out of university with mickey mouse degrees expecting these jobs which this government or society can not provide

and we rely on immigrants to do our dirty work for us

Slaves?

There's a small terraced house just by me which has 3 Polish families living in it. None of them have jobs or have ever worked in this country. Why should they? The benefits they get are more than what they'd get working full time back in Poland. I don't blame them, what they've done is a no brainer. Work your nuts off in Poland for peanuts or move to the UK and live on benefits and be better off.

It's absolute rubbish that these people are coming here to do the jobs we won't do. I know loads of people desperate to work and would do anything offered. One guy I know from Nelson went in to the Merthyr job centre and there were just 3 jobs there. THREE!!!! yet Merthyr is being turned into mini-Poland. Now if anyone believes that they are coming here for work then answer this one - Why then are they going to Merthyr? No offence to Merthyr but it's a shit hole and there are no jobs there. The simple fact of the matter is people are going to live in Merthyr to live on benefits. And to be fair it's probably easier to blend in with a life on benefits there.

Here's another question for those who've believed the governments bollux (both Labour and Tory). If you were Polish and you wanted to up sticks and move to another Euro country - why oh why choose Cefn shithole Hengoed or Merthyr Tydfil? I can think of a few nicer places. How about going to live on the Spanish benefits system? A nice little flat on Majorca would be nice. Or how about a nice little pad on the south of France? Whilst talking about France - why is it all these immigrants meet up in France before desperately trying to cross the channel to England? They are already in France and they've passed through several Euro countries to get that far. So why didn't they just visit their DHSS office whilst there in those countries? You've got to remember that Polish people are free to move to ANY Euro country. There are some lovely places in Europe and lets be perfectly honest here - if you were to write a list of the Nicest places to live in Europe, Merthyr would NOT be on it. The only answer is that it's only the UK that will dish out benefits to immigrants at the level they do. The other Euro countries are a bit more sensible with their tax payers money.

Spot-on Berwyn

But by Jonnys logic we should all renage on our mortgages, work for a pittance, and live 3 familys to a small house just because some impoverished cretin from another country is awilling to.

but why does this government have to provide quality of life for you
all the government needs to do is make sure you have the basics and thats it
it doesnt need to provide you cash to go to the pub with
or pay your season ticket for the football
or pay for your 2 weeks in the sun abroad for your holiday

your supposed to provide your own quality of life
if what youre earning does not provide the luxuries in life that you want then its up to you to improve and work up the ladder
the government is under no obligation to provide that for you

If I was in government that's exactly what I'd do

well you belong down the back of the garden with the fairies and the pixies because thats not going to happen

........... that's right and in the Magic Garden there are no donkies or slaves

off to work now...hope aberdare is a nice place ..good debatting with you

Merthyr if you don't mind and ohhh.... I'm not in until 9Pm . Btw imo both Merthyr and RCT are shitholes but I wouldn't want to live anywhere else . Like the said Valleys boy I am, I'll doubt I'll ever leave the Valleys

. Its one of the reasons this country defeated fasicem and liberated poland for.

Trying to be clever are we. Did they teach you history in school ?. I'll think you find this country was build on Immigration during the Iron and Coal industrial age . Its nothing new having a lot of Polish workers in Wales or the Valleys

Ask any Miner and they'll tell you how hard the Polish would work down the Pits .

Yes i did learn history thanks. Did we not liberate poland? Are 1 million british youth unemployed? Yes the poles are in the main hard working citizens, but lets not decry our british youth. To do so would be catastrophic for the future of our country.

Johnny spouting his "kids dont want to work" rubbish yet again.

I left school at 16, 5 gcses, no further education, started on 80k a week, I know earn close to 30k a year.

Most people who work in my factory done the same.

Weve just taken on 10 "Apprentices". All local kids. All 18-21. All on £100 a week to start off but they know the rewards are there if they work hard as approx 150 off our 250 workforce all started off at the bottom and got rewarded for hard work.

Some guys on the shopfloor earn minimum wage but theres plenty of overtime and some guys are putting in 72 hours a week. Are they workshy? No. Are some of them aged between 18-30 - most of them.

We employ one immigrant. Shes a good worker and speaks good English. In a workforce of 250. Yet locals dont want to work according to Jonny.

Jonny you have been shown up time and time again on this thread. You are a little boy who knows nothing about life.