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Re: Why would billionaries want more investers..?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:16 pm

Midfield general wrote:Sorry I know people have said that its a good thing with this new director but it just doesnt make much sense to me.


Adam, Whats your opinion on this ?

Re: Why would billionaries want more investers..?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:17 pm

Im pretty sure TG/Tan has always said he would be looking for other people to contribute to the club?

Just because he is a billionaire it doesnt mean he wants to throw his future into the black whole that is Football.

Re: Why would billionaries want more investers..?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:17 pm

Midfield general wrote:Sorry I know people have said that its a good thing with this new director but it just doesnt make much sense to me.


the more people wanting to put money in to the club the better really

Re: Why would billionaries want more investers..?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:20 pm

Midfield general wrote:Sorry I know people have said that its a good thing with this new director but it just doesnt make much sense to me.

expand a bit further why it dosent make sense to you.
perhaps they want to stay around the 49% mark of ownership at the moment because the way the money is being pumped in they must be close to being over 50% and therefore have decided to let another investor come in to the club
its no more remarkable than letting someone share your internet account to stir things up

Re: Why would billionaries want more investers..?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:26 pm

Midfield general wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Midfield general wrote:Sorry I know people have said that its a good thing with this new director but it just doesnt make much sense to me.


Adam, Whats your opinion on this ?


One of two Annis if Im honest with you. (a) either a front for Sam Hamman/Langstone or (b) he's helping to find another buyer



Adam, Yes he does know Sam well.

I have heard that he will be good for our club and the long term. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: Why would billionaries want more investers..?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:33 pm

Jesus wept, never have I come across such a negative synical poster. No one knows the ins and outs of it, so just enjoy the success we are having at the moment.
I dare you to put a happy smiley!!!!!!!

Re: Why would billionaries want more investers..?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:34 pm

milly44 wrote:Jesus wept, never have I come across such a negative synical poster. No one knows the ins and outs of it, so just enjoy the success we are having at the moment.
I dare you to put a happy smiley!!!!!!!
:D

Re: Why would billionaries want more investers..?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:34 pm

they do not own out 100% of the club so why should they do it on their own?
they are billionaires for a reason "a fool and his money are easily parted"
im happy they are getting more people involved because they have a good idea for the club.and look at the people they are bringing in. some of the biggest names in the finance world, and i must add we are in debt so inist that the best person to bring in? never mind the fact he is a football man he is the perfect person for the job!
i cannot see how people can see this as negative?
must add not having a dig just :D
:ayatollah:

Re: Why would billionaries want more investers..?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:35 pm

bluebirdbaz wrote:
milly44 wrote:Jesus wept, never have I come across such a negative synical poster. No one knows the ins and outs of it, so just enjoy the success we are having at the moment.
I dare you to put a happy smiley!!!!!!!
:D

:D

Re: Why would billionaries want more investers..?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:37 pm

Midfield general wrote:
steve davies wrote:
Midfield general wrote:Sorry I know people have said that its a good thing with this new director but it just doesnt make much sense to me.

expand a bit further why it dosent make sense to you.
perhaps they want to stay around the 49% mark of ownership at the moment because the way the money is being pumped in they must be close to being over 50% and therefore have decided to let another investor come in to the club
its no more remarkable than letting someone share your internet account to stir things up


This is a man who helped bring the Glaizers in to make Man Utd a debt ridden club yet people want to welcome him with open arms!!!!



it depends which way you look at the man utd situation. currently the debt is now at 450 million but they turned down a bid of 1.2 billion from the saudi's for the club less than a year ago.
unlike our club the asset far outweighs the debt

Re: Why would billionaries want more investers..?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:40 pm

Midfield general wrote:
bluebird7291 wrote:they do not own out 100% of the club so why should they do it on their own?
they are billionaires for a reason "a fool and his money are easily parted"
im happy they are getting more people involved because they have a good idea for the club.and look at the people they are bringing in. some of the biggest names in the finance world, and i must add we are in debt so inist that the best person to bring in? never mind the fact he is a football man he is the perfect person for the job!
i cannot see how people can see this as negative?

:ayatollah:


Take a look at Man Utd and then you can see how people view it as a negative!!!! :evil:



look how fickle those man utd fans are they got their 19th title to take them past liverpool and barely a protest or the anti glazier scarfs are seen these days

Re: Why would billionaries want more investers..?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:41 pm

Midfield general wrote:
steve davies wrote:
Midfield general wrote:
steve davies wrote:
Midfield general wrote:Sorry I know people have said that its a good thing with this new director but it just doesnt make much sense to me.

expand a bit further why it dosent make sense to you.
perhaps they want to stay around the 49% mark of ownership at the moment because the way the money is being pumped in they must be close to being over 50% and therefore have decided to let another investor come in to the club
its no more remarkable than letting someone share your internet account to stir things up


This is a man who helped bring the Glaizers in to make Man Utd a debt ridden club yet people want to welcome him with open arms!!!!



it depends which way you look at the man utd situation. currently the debt is now at 450 million but they turned down a bid of 1.2 billion from the saudi's for the club less than a year ago.
unlike our club the asset far outweighs the debt


The Red Knights looked at their books and just to service the debt along freightened them off.


with keith harris fronting it more like the barron knights :lol:

Re: Why would billionaries want more investers..?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:43 pm

Midfield general wrote:
steve davies wrote:
Midfield general wrote:Sorry I know people have said that its a good thing with this new director but it just doesnt make much sense to me.

expand a bit further why it dosent make sense to you.
perhaps they want to stay around the 49% mark of ownership at the moment because the way the money is being pumped in they must be close to being over 50% and therefore have decided to let another investor come in to the club
its no more remarkable than letting someone share your internet account to stir things up


This is a man who helped bring the Glaizers in to make Man Utd a debt ridden club yet people want to welcome him with open arms!!!!


United were already debt ridden to begin with. Most the big clubs are.

I dont see whats the problem with having another person on the board. Everyone moans that the Malaysians aren't spending their hard earned cash in the transfer market and why should they? Lets face it, its down to the entire board to chip funds in, not just the Malaysians. I think its great that we have another member on the board that will invest, it takes more flak off the Malaysians who have already spent a pretty penny on us already.

Re: Why would billionaries want more investers..?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:56 pm

Midfield general wrote:
steve davies wrote:
Midfield general wrote:Sorry I know people have said that its a good thing with this new director but it just doesnt make much sense to me.

expand a bit further why it dosent make sense to you.
perhaps they want to stay around the 49% mark of ownership at the moment because the way the money is being pumped in they must be close to being over 50% and therefore have decided to let another investor come in to the club
its no more remarkable than letting someone share your internet account to stir things up


This is a man who helped bring the Glaizers in to make Man Utd a debt ridden club yet people want to welcome him with open arms!!!!


He acted as a broker to bring the Glazers on board.

Im not a high profile businessman but i hardly think the Glazers will have made
it common knowledge they were planning to use Man United to secure mortgages
and loans against to prop up their failing American businesses.

What the Glazers did to Man United has f**k ALL to do with anyone else but the
Glazers.

I despair of you sometimes, you appear to have the business acumen of a coffee table

Re: Why would billionaries want more investers..?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:05 pm

MD ive got one thing to say to you for christ sake :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Re: Why would billionaries want more investers..?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:06 pm

Midfield general wrote:Sorry I know people have said that its a good thing with this new director but it just doesnt make much sense to me.


Have you ever watched Dragons Den? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Why would billionaries want more investers..?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:16 pm

Vincent Tan has often used multiple investors in business projects. Indeed TG was a business partner of his in a multi-billion dollar property development in Malaysia.

Some businessmen work that way if you spread the cost you also spread the risk.

Re: Why would billionaries want more investers..?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:17 pm

The more the merrier in my opinion :ayatollah:

He's a football man, which the club needs desperately

Re: Why would billionaries want more investers..?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:25 pm

Midfield general wrote:Sorry I know people have said that its a good thing with this new director but it just doesnt make much sense to me.


I don't understand why this should be seen as a problem because if my memory serves me well there was a shareholders meeting in the summer which authorised the issue of a big chunk of shares. I not sure but a figure of £20m comes to mind but I may be wrong there, however I'm sure the board has the authority to sell those shares.

If this guy were to invest a half of that or better still find people who would but those shares that would pretty much settle some of the big debts. Carl said the other night that the club expects to settle PMG and Lanfstone this summer and surely the sale of shares, or equity, in the club is the best way of doing that.

Makes perfect sense to me. :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: Why would billionaries want more investers..?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:27 pm

penydarren park is missing an idiot i see :roll:

Re: Why would billionaries want more investers..?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:57 pm

That's like saying 'who would want more money?' The answer is obvious.

Re: Why would billionaries want more investers..?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:03 pm

steve davies wrote:
Midfield general wrote:Sorry I know people have said that its a good thing with this new director but it just doesnt make much sense to me.

expand a bit further why it dosent make sense to you.
perhaps they want to stay around the 49% mark of ownership at the moment because the way the money is being pumped in they must be close to being over 50% and therefore have decided to let another investor come in to the club
its no more remarkable than letting someone share your internet account to stir things up




:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Why would billionaries want more investers..?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:32 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:Vincent Tan has often used multiple investors in business projects. Indeed TG was a business partner of his in a multi-billion dollar property development in Malaysia.

Some businessmen work that way if you spread the cost you also spread the risk.


Absolutely Tony.

You also get the benefit of their specialist knowledge.

In this case the guy knows football finance so it makes sense.

If he's putting his cash in then brilliant -if he's taking out.... not so good ;)

Re: Why would billionaries want more investers..?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:33 pm

If there's one constant in the universe it's that the rich will always want to get richer.

Re: Why would billionaries want more investers..?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:36 pm

castleblue wrote:
Midfield general wrote:Sorry I know people have said that its a good thing with this new director but it just doesnt make much sense to me.


I don't understand why this should be seen as a problem because if my memory serves me well there was a shareholders meeting in the summer which authorised the issue of a big chunk of shares. I not sure but a figure of £20m comes to mind but I may be wrong there, however I'm sure the board has the authority to sell those shares.

If this guy were to invest a half of that or better still find people who would but those shares that would pretty much settle some of the big debts. Carl said the other night that the club expects to settle PMG and Lanfstone this summer and surely the sale of shares, or equity, in the club is the best way of doing that.

Makes perfect sense to me. :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Yes castle, there were tens of millions of pounds worth of shares issued in the summer, only about 1/3 (if my memory is working correctly) were allocated at the time, meaning the possibility of something like another £15-£20m still to come in. I thought it was to leave the way for VT to buy what he needed, (or do a deal with Sam) but if they can find investors to match up with exchanging more of their debt for equity this May then they can put off the full takeover a bit longer. (I'm too tired to research the exact figures so feel free to blow my figures up - the general idea is right though :ayatollah:

Could be another interesting AGM. :ayatollah:

Re: Why would billionaries want more investers..?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:36 pm

Midfield general wrote:Sorry I know people have said that its a good thing with this new director but it just doesnt make much sense to me.


because maybe one wanted to leave for other reasons and the new one knows the ins and outs of football?

is it a bad thing??

Re: Why would billionaries want more investers..?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:24 pm

Sorry, I have to say this. But If i was on Muddled Generals electoral ward in Merthyr
I'd rather vote for a one-eared cat chewing on a sparrows carcass.

What a buffoon!!

Re: Why would billionaries want more investers..?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:27 pm

taffyapple wrote:Sorry, I have to say this. But If i was on Muddled Generals electoral ward in Merthyr
I'd rather vote for a one-eared cat chewing on a sparrows carcass.

What a buffoon!!

you have to decide dave where you cast your vote though
vale of merthyr or vale of glamorgan ;)

Re: Why would billionaries want more investers..?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:28 pm

steve davies wrote:
taffyapple wrote:Sorry, I have to say this. But If i was on Muddled Generals electoral ward in Merthyr
I'd rather vote for a one-eared cat chewing on a sparrows carcass.

What a buffoon!!

you have to decide dave where you cast your vote though
vale of merthyr or vale of glamorgan ;)


:lol: :lol:

Re: Why would billionaries want more investers..?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:38 pm

Lawnmower wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Vincent Tan has often used multiple investors in business projects. Indeed TG was a business partner of his in a multi-billion dollar property development in Malaysia.

Some businessmen work that way if you spread the cost you also spread the risk.


Absolutely Tony.

You also get the benefit of their specialist knowledge.
In this case the guy knows football finance so it makes sense.

If he's putting his cash in then brilliant -if he's taking out.... not so good ;)


I was going to say that. :cry:

I read somewhere that VT when he invests in a project he looks for a specialist in that subject. A specialist with a bit of clout as well. These sort of guys are not easy to find and if you are luck to do so then you usually have to wait a bit for them to come on board. I bet VT has been waiting for this guy since he arrived at Cardiff. Now he has him it will get interesting.