MAGGIE THATCHER STEPPED DOWN ON THIS DAY IN 1990

Thatcher was the best British leader since Churchill

churchill wasnt that good a leader not many war leaders lose elections after winning popular wars
he was a strong leader during wartime but struggled during peacetime
he struggled to hold it together when the country devolved from empire with blunder after blunder in foreign policy

Fully agree with most of what you said there however if it wasn't for his leadership during war then the war would have been lost.

no its not a popular view by the British but if it wasnt for the Americans we probably would all be speaking German
After WW1 the British Empire fell apart transferring world power across the Atlantic and American power came to fortitude during WW2 and became the superpower it is now
Churchill was another leader who used public fear to eliminate civil liberties though he did say he would restore them after the war except he lost the election and Attlee's Labour government refused to lift them.

What a legacy she left ripped the guts out of manufactoring in UK
Sold of BT/British Gas/Water and the rich got richer out of the sell off
Smashed the steel works and mines in this country shutting down whole communities, we are left as a call centre haven
She deserves to die in pain, as many have done due to her draconian policies

Yeah and Labour sold our gold at a cheap price, refused to sell the lottery franchise to Branson who wanted to run it as a not-for-profit organisation, refused to sell Northern Rock to Virgin Money at a profit, told Lloyds to buy a toxic dutch bank which put the bank into huge financial pressure, raided billions from the private pensions of the UK citizens, and ballooned the public sector employee numbers to unsustainable levels. Oh yeah they really done well didn't they.

yeah but who let go of the reigns of the banking system and the stock exchange
and pretty much said to bankers do what you want
thats right Thatcher
Labour might not have done a brilliant job but you cant blame for a situation they had no control over due to a former conservative government

Then under Blair they give them even more freedom. Remember it was because Blair/Brown were so close to the banking sector that they helped make 'Fred the Shread' a Sir!!!

Yes I would agree governments have got to close to the financial/banking sector, but do you honestly think that the tories wouldn't have done it.

What a legacy she left ripped the guts out of manufactoring in UK
Sold of BT/British Gas/Water and the rich got richer out of the sell off
Smashed the steel works and mines in this country shutting down whole communities, we are left as a call centre haven
She deserves to die in pain, as many have done due to her draconian policies

Yeah and Labour sold our gold at a cheap price, refused to sell the lottery franchise to Branson who wanted to run it as a not-for-profit organisation, refused to sell Northern Rock to Virgin Money at a profit, told Lloyds to buy a toxic dutch bank which put the bank into huge financial pressure, raided billions from the private pensions of the UK citizens, and ballooned the public sector employee numbers to unsustainable levels. Oh yeah they really done well didn't they.

yeah but who let go of the reigns of the banking system and the stock exchange
and pretty much said to bankers do what you want
thats right Thatcher
Labour might not have done a brilliant job but you cant blame for a situation they had no control over due to a former conservative government

Then under Blair they give them even more freedom. Remember it was because Blair/Brown were so close to the banking sector that they helped make 'Fred the Shread' a Sir!!!

yes but what do you expect when Thatcher turned a country who once was an Industrial Superpower and turned into an orphan completely dependent on capitalism and financial trading

MG why such a rabid right winger???

Thatcher was the best British leader since Churchill

You been drinking, dropped acid or chomping on magies' again butt?

Bearing in mind the ward you represent I'd be interested in your electorate hold your views.

f*cking laughable.

She killed our manufacuring sector (the Germans protected theirs), murdered our traditional industries due to ideological ojectives and entered a war to take the heat of her poor government. Additionally you can throw the sinking of the Belgrano as a war crime.

I hope you stand for the next monkey election and show your true opinions butt.

What a legacy she left ripped the guts out of manufactoring in UK
Sold of BT/British Gas/Water and the rich got richer out of the sell off
Smashed the steel works and mines in this country shutting down whole communities, we are left as a call centre haven
She deserves to die in pain, as many have done due to her draconian policies

Yeah and Labour sold our gold at a cheap price, refused to sell the lottery franchise to Branson who wanted to run it as a not-for-profit organisation, refused to sell Northern Rock to Virgin Money at a profit, told Lloyds to buy a toxic dutch bank which put the bank into huge financial pressure, raided billions from the private pensions of the UK citizens, and ballooned the public sector employee numbers to unsustainable levels. Oh yeah they really done well didn't they.

yeah but who let go of the reigns of the banking system and the stock exchange
and pretty much said to bankers do what you want
thats right Thatcher
Labour might not have done a brilliant job but you cant blame for a situation they had no control over due to a former conservative government

Then under Blair they give them even more freedom. Remember it was because Blair/Brown were so close to the banking sector that they helped make 'Fred the Shread' a Sir!!!

yes but what do you expect when Thatcher turned a country who once was an Industrial Superpower and turned into an orphan completely dependent on capitalism and financial trading

This may not be a very popular post but lets be honest given the cheap wages for factory workers in the far east the minimum wage was the final nail in the coffin for the manufactoring industry in this country.

not really the far east has always been an industrial competitor
but we always had quality on our side im sure its posted in this thread if not its in another
MADE IN BRITAIN meant something once and the idea of you get what you paid for
the far east was always cheaper but the quality is was poorer
Britain has some of least legislation on employment in Europe yet we struggle industrially
Yet Germany who has twice as much legislation is still a strong industrial power
Our Industrial might didnt suffer because of minimum wage
It was eradicated because Thatcher sold it to make a quick buck and sold our reputation down the river

MG why such a rabid right winger???

because socialisum like communisum is good in theory but in practise is completely flawed

And do explain how Capitalism is so much better???

She was sooooooooo hated and yet she won....

One general election. No!!

Did she win two? No!!!

Hang on, but I thought she was hated? Did she win three? Bingo!!!!

Hated and yet won three elections. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Doesn't seem to make sense.

The truth is that Thatcher had to take back the power from the unions. I like the fact under Thatcher we have power 7 days a week!

Germany didn't protect it's manufacuring sector. It simply made products the world wanted to buy. No one outside the UK wanted to buy a Rover, but they did want a BMW etc.

Thatcher was the best British leader since Churchill

You been drinking, dropped acid or chomping on magies' again butt?

Bearing in mind the ward you represent I'd be interested in your electorate hold your views.

f*cking laughable.

She killed our manufacuring sector (the Germans protected theirs), murdered our traditional industries due to ideological ojectives and entered a war to take the heat of her poor government. Additionally you can throw the sinking of the Belgrano as a war crime.

I hope you stand for the next monkey election and show your true opinions butt.

Here we go Mr.Stalin himself!!! You ok comrade..?

Stalin? You cheeky tw*t! The man was a despot who was prone to mass murder. A bit like your hero Mussolini?

Back to the original question are you going to stand behind your beliefs in the next election?

Yes, I'm fine butt. You ok?

Thatcher was the best British leader since Churchill

You been drinking, dropped acid or chomping on magies' again butt?

Bearing in mind the ward you represent I'd be interested in your electorate hold your views.

f*cking laughable.

She killed our manufacuring sector (the Germans protected theirs), murdered our traditional industries due to ideological ojectives and entered a war to take the heat of her poor government. Additionally you can throw the sinking of the Belgrano as a war crime.

I hope you stand for the next monkey election and show your true opinions butt.

Here we go Mr.Stalin himself!!! You ok comrade..?

Stalin? You cheeky tw*t! The man was a despot who was prone to mass murder. A bit like your hero Mussolini?

Back to the original question are you going to stand behind your beliefs in the next election?

Yes, I'm fine butt. You ok?

My beliefs is there for everyone to see especially on Europe when I had my doubts for years and now unfortunately the problems are there for all to see.

As you know I am very proud of my legacy with a 'certain' issue which you would be very interested in coming back into the limelight very, very soon

Ive set a target of 50% at least

Hang on, so when you were doing an estate walk round the Gurnos, Mrs. Moira Jones of Acacia Avenue accosted you and demanded you do something about those 'dago's f*cking our economy up'? The folk of the Gurnos seem more on the ball with European politics than our present incumbents.



Did you tell them you support having their benefits slashed?

i can see the papers having a field day here

we are currently working on 2 merthyr contracts i will ask the houseowners their oppinions today and see what they say, a sort of mori poll thingy,

i am sure they are all going to say MT was a hero in her time as a prime minister

For those who where old enough to remember , what was the reaction to her f*cking off from Downing Street, not football related i know but just wanted to get a feel to how much hate there was for this woman, or did anyone like her ?

She did a lot of good for this country and unlike other PM's never lined her pockets afterwards

She killed our manufacuring sector

No the Unions did that, She did a lot to save it

Sold of BT/British Gas/Water and the rich got richer out of the sell off

Selling off the Gas and BT was a good move for the tax payer as a result we still pay some of the lowest bills in the whole of Europe, Where Thatcher messed up, was privatising the like of British Airports and the destruction of the local Police Force and community Police centre placed in the village

Smashed the steel works and mines in this country shutting down whole communities

Arthur Scargill did the most to shut down the mines in this country , His silly and totally illegal mass walk out killed mining in this country. Not only did it show the country could power it's self with a walk out but everyone at the time was going to Gas (how many here still use coal in their house) and people wanted a end to Phurnacite & dirty air ect , but it turned families members and friends against each other. Arthur Scargill is a complete and total b*stard

Our Industrial might didnt suffer because of minimum wage

Sorry that is rubbish, Thanks to the minimum wage that saw most of the Japanese companies say goodbuy to the S.Wales valleys for starters

Britain has some of least legislation on employment in Europe yet we struggle industrially

We still have all the EU employment and working hours laws to abye too . The sooner we're out of the EU, the sooner we can start to take on the USA and East .

the far east was always cheaper but the quality is was poorer

Not really . The likes of Rover had a terrible image for poor electrics leaks and build quality, where has the Japanese not only made cars and Electronics far more realisable they made them far cheaper too . That's the trouble we all love our cheap PC, Cheap TV's ECT and that's all thanks to the products being made in the likes of China

t was eradicated because Thatcher sold it to make a quick buck and sold our reputation down the river

Are you for real ? before Thatcher not only was this country bankrupt and had to cap in hand to IMF , but was also seen as the 'sick man of Europe' . I'm not fan of Thatcher at all, but after the mess the previous Tory and Labour Governments left the country in, she did a lot of good to clear it up .

No matter what everyone thought of her change had to happen to move into the new era. And when labour took over they carried on with the same policies. No one here is having a go at Blair though are they

No matter what everyone thought of her change had to happen to move into the new era. And when labour took over they carried on with the same policies. No one here is having a go at Blair though are they

Correct Steve,

Blair was an out and out liar/bull shitter false labour leader.

Thatcher was the best British leader since Churchill

churchill wasnt that good a leader not many war leaders lose elections after winning popular wars
he was a strong leader during wartime but struggled during peacetime
he struggled to hold it together when the country devolved from empire with blunder after blunder in foreign policy

Fully agree with most of what you said there however if it wasn't for his leadership during war then the war would have been lost.

Arrr... We did lose the war! They just convinced us otherwise. Take a look at Germany and compare them to the UK. Not only did we lose, we lost bigtime.

What a legacy she left ripped the guts out of manufactoring in UK
Sold of BT/British Gas/Water and the rich got richer out of the sell off
Smashed the steel works and mines in this country shutting down whole communities, we are left as a call centre haven
She deserves to die in pain, as many have done due to her draconian policies

Yeah and Labour sold our gold at a cheap price, refused to sell the lottery franchise to Branson who wanted to run it as a not-for-profit organisation, refused to sell Northern Rock to Virgin Money at a profit, told Lloyds to buy a toxic dutch bank which put the bank into huge financial pressure, raided billions from the private pensions of the UK citizens, and ballooned the public sector employee numbers to unsustainable levels. Oh yeah they really done well didn't they.

So that's okay then. If you are a politician it's okay to f**k the country as long as you can point out that "the other party" fucked us aswell. All politicians feed on that. They can all perform poorly and survive by blaming the other lot. Then when the next lot get in they do exactly the same.

Thatcher was the best British leader since Churchill

That's like arguing who's the tallest in a dwarf convention. She was great for some short term but rubbish for the vast majority long term. The super rich are the only one's who have benifited. Now I don't know this but I don't think anyone on this board own a major chunk of the shares sold in her fire sale. Anyone here with major share chunks in British Gas for instance? No. I didn't think so.

What she was very good at was giving your average brain dead Daily Mail reader some small amounts of money via share selling and make them feel like kings. Of course in the longer term every penny she gave has been taken back 100 fold by stupid amounts of energy price rises. All of that money now filters directly to the bank accounts of the super rich billionaires who are mostly foreign. It's nice to know that Thatchers "Buy British" thing worked. Everything British is now owned by other countrys thanks to her.

The Torys like the previous Labour government have mastered the art of butt f*cking the masses and getting us all to beleive it was all our fault. We even tell each other now that we need to be butt fucked because it's for our own good!

Blair was an out and out liar/bull shitter false labour leader.

Agreed more Tory than the Tories

Of course in the longer term every penny she gave has been taken back 100 fold by stupid amounts of energy price rises. All of that money now filters directly to the bank accounts of the super rich billionaires who are mostly foreign. It's nice to know that Thatchers "Buy British" thing worked. Everything British is now owned by other countrys thanks to her.

Thanks to our Open Market our Energy prices are some of the lowest In Europe still and thanks to the EU total bullshit Carbon means that our energy prices will go up and up and up . Yes our Energy regulator needs a good kick up the ass, but EA laws on Carbon and Green energy are what's really pushing up the costs

Btw is TESCO, Barclay's, BP , foreign owned ? . Funny how people have such objections to foreigners when it comes to companies, but if they come with the money for a Football club, its a totally and utterly different story .

Of course in the longer term every penny she gave has been taken back 100 fold by stupid amounts of energy price rises. All of that money now filters directly to the bank accounts of the super rich billionaires who are mostly foreign. It's nice to know that Thatchers "Buy British" thing worked. Everything British is now owned by other countrys thanks to her.

Thanks to our Open Market our Energy prices are some of the lowest In Europe still and thanks to the EU total bullshit Carbon means that our energy prices will go up and up and up . Yes our Energy regulator needs a good kick up the ass, but EA laws on Carbon and Green energy are what's really pushing up the costs

Btw is TESCO, Barclay's, BP , foreign owned ? . Funny how people have such objections to foreigners when it comes to companies, but if they come with the money for a Football club, its a totally and utterly different story .

You are spot on Chief on why our Bills are being pushed up. So very true

Of course in the longer term every penny she gave has been taken back 100 fold by stupid amounts of energy price rises. All of that money now filters directly to the bank accounts of the super rich billionaires who are mostly foreign. It's nice to know that Thatchers "Buy British" thing worked. Everything British is now owned by other countrys thanks to her.

Thanks to our Open Market our Energy prices are some of the lowest In Europe still and thanks to the EU total bullshit Carbon means that our energy prices will go up and up and up . Yes our Energy regulator needs a good kick up the ass, but EA laws on Carbon and Green energy are what's really pushing up the costs

Btw is TESCO, Barclay's, BP , foreign owned ? . Funny how people have such objections to foreigners when it comes to companies, but if they come with the money for a Football club, its a totally and utterly different story .

You are spot on Chief on why our Bills are being pushed up. So very true

Yes Windfarms and Clean renewable energy is going to add 200 billion odd to our Energy bill over the next decade and on (the real reason why energy cost are going through the roof) That doesn't cover the fact that the Ofgem has been totally inept and let the big 6 run a cartel and making them pass on savings to the consumer since the gas and Oil prices have come down of late

Houses are far more energy efficient these days so we simply don’t use as much Electric and Gas as we used to therefore the Energy Companies need to hike prices to keep profit margins up. Any other excuse is simple bullshit.

Houses are far more energy efficient these days so we simply don’t use as much Electric and Gas as we used to therefore the Energy Companies need to hike prices to keep profit margins up. Any other excuse is simple bullshit.

One of the gas companies actully said that a few months back. They claimed their excuse for upping the prices was because of a fall in sales.
So in other words, we follow their advice and save our energy and they then bang the prices up to compensate. They've got to keep the cash flowing to the big share holders now haven't they.

Houses are far more energy efficient these days so we simply don’t use as much Electric and Gas as we used to therefore the Energy Companies need to hike prices to keep profit margins up. Any other excuse is simple bullshit.

You couldn't be more wrong, We're using more energy than ever in fact , the trouble is we just about meet demand. Every house now has a TV in almost ever room, a console, a PC a Laptop, washing Machine, Central heating and so it goes on ...Back in the 70's most people felt lucky to have a Fridge, Yes that's being general about it but we live in an electric age where there CPU's in our Dishwashers an cars and there suck up energy.

Houses are far more energy efficient these days so we simply don’t use as much Electric and Gas as we used to therefore the Energy Companies need to hike prices to keep profit margins up. Any other excuse is simple bullshit.

You couldn't be more wrong, We're using more energy than ever in fact , the trouble is we just about meet demand. Every house now has a TV in almost ever room, a console, a PC a Laptop, washing Machine, Central heating and so it goes on ...Back in the 70's most people felt lucky to have a Fridge, Yes that's being general about it but we live in an electric age where there CPU's in our Dishwashers an cars and there suck up energy.

I'm not sure if that is true to be fair. Yes we do have lots more gadgets plugged in but they are far more efficient than the ones years ago. The tele we had when I was a kid needed a nuclear power station on it's own. The light bulbs used more than ten times what todays do. Even your kettle now boils a hell of a lot faster. And back in the 70's because we didn't have the heating systems we used a lot of those power hungry eletric bar fires. Plus we had an electric emersion heater in the tank. Both those used to eat the electric. Then there's the cooker in the kitchen. Back then if you wanted to heat your dinner up then you didn't have a quick microwave, you put it in the oven. And that oven used far more electric than the fan assisted ones today. I bet it cost a lot more to warm a pasty up back then as to what it does now with just 30 secs in the microwave.

All these people having free Solar Panels we are also paying for it as well on our Bills

With energy prices, I think most people can accept that prices in general are only going to increase.
Where the problem comes is that companies are so quick to increase their prices when the wholesale prices increase, yet are then incredibly slow to cut the prices when the wholesale price decreases. The same applies to petrol too, although in that case quite often you will get a supermarket trying to undercut everyone else every now and again. You never really get that in the energy market.

In terms of thatcher, I am only going to make a brief comment the obvious mining issue. Yes I am glad I grew up in a Rhondda where I wasn't expected to go down the mines. However she went about it the wrong way, she was wrong about profitability (look how long Tower carried on making money) and much much more could have been done to help the affected areas rather than just letting them suffer. And that is ignoring how the state treated those involved in the strikes. And you see the same happening today. Not in terms of physical treatment, but certainly in terms of how strikers are vilified by the government and the right wing media. All I will say is if someone cannot remove their labour as a protest against how they are being treated by their employer, then what on earth can they do and what kind of country have we become.

Linked to the above you have the fact she did nothing to protect our manufacturing sector (something which IMO is part of the reason why we have so many young people unemployed).
You have the fact she let the banking sector go mad (and this mistake has been made by most PM's since then too).
You have the fact she did nothing to replace the social housing that was being taken into private hands through right to buy (which again this mistake has been made by most PM's since then).

Correct Steve,

Blair was an out and out liar/bull shitter false labour leader.

Blair was pretty much as tory as Cameron is though.
They are all the same nowadays.
Only care for themselves and their mates, and don't give a damn about anyone else.

And back in the 70's because we didn't have the heating systems we used a lot of those power hungry eletric bar fires. Plus we had an electric emersion heater in the tank. Both those used to eat the electric.

back in the 70's we had coal , now we need to gather our energy for cleaner resources and they simply can't coup as more of our old Nuclear and Coal Power stations go off line . Compare the streets today, to the 70's , Not only are a lot of shops open 24hrs with all the fresh fruit and food from around the world (all of which takes Hugh amounts of energy to transport and keep fresh) , but you can't move for cars these days , looking over the energy needed to build the things they need oil to run and that again all uses energy in production and everyone is in love with their lithium battery which all needs energy to recharge and heat and light needs to be instant these days, gone are the days where you had to wait half an hour for the shower to warm up

The grid is running at near capacity all year round

ONE THINK THAT MAKES ME IS THE FACT THAT PEOPLE SHOUT THERE MOUTH OFF ABOUT THE CONS & LAB , BUT STILL VOTE FOR THEM, DO LOOK AT THEM TO BLAME LOOK AT YOUR SELFS ! YOU KEEP PUTTING THEM THERE ! I MEAN HOW MANY TIME WILL U PISS ON THE TOILET SEAT B4 YOU GET THE IDEA TO PICK IT UP

Street party when she dies.....surely not long now!