Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:35 pm
Uccello Azzurro wrote:krab wrote:sorry but what a f@cking pathetic rule,i hope the welsh reject this pointless excercise in saving the planet,and quickly
We are laggards. Some countries have already moved to ban them. The reality is that the 5p price is way too low and is certainly not high enough to significantly change behaviours, even if it is enough to set of the whingers.
The price is 33 cents (28 pence) in Ireland I believe and this has led to a dramatic change in the consumption of plastic bags - a 90% reduction and millions raised for other initiatives.
I have had some involvement with the recycling industry in the UK and internationally and plastic bags are particularly notable for the variety of environmental and processing problems they cause. Visit a waste separation plant and witness the problems they cause - e.g. jamming and shutting down machinery. Environmentally, there are many other issues including:
http://www.unep.org/documents.multiling ... =6214&l=en
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Paci ... bage_Patch
Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:29 pm
Sun Oct 09, 2011 9:59 pm
Blazing Saddles wrote:I think they should charge £1 a bag.........lazy sods who can't be bothered will soon remember to take their own then. WELL DONE TO OUR WELSH GOVERNMENT!!
Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:09 am
Nuclearblue wrote:Blazing Saddles wrote:I think they should charge £1 a bag.........lazy sods who can't be bothered will soon remember to take their own then. WELL DONE TO OUR WELSH GOVERNMENT!!
Why should they charge for the Bags ? Do you think that our planet will emplode if we keep using them ?. But yet again the looney Leftie government of Wales goes well over the top. If i go to a takeaway i will have to pay more as you can't use your own Hardly anyone believes in this Global warming shit any more Chuff
Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:20 pm
Uccello Azzurro wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Blazing Saddles wrote:I think they should charge £1 a bag.........lazy sods who can't be bothered will soon remember to take their own then. WELL DONE TO OUR WELSH GOVERNMENT!!
Why should they charge for the Bags ? Do you think that our planet will emplode if we keep using them ?. But yet again the looney Leftie government of Wales goes well over the top. If i go to a takeaway i will have to pay more as you can't use your own Hardly anyone believes in this Global warming shit any more Chuff
The key issues with plastic bags are pollution and the costs of their disposal/processing, not global warming. It is estimated that the world is consuming c. 500 billion plastic bags per annum with less than 3% recycled. The impact of this is wide-ranging in terms of the environment (e.g. the mess they create and threat to marine life) and the costs of waste processing (which we all pay!!).
The nuclear lobby has a done a good job of nobbling the Government. When the real costs of decommissioning and waste disposal are properly calculated, nuclear power looks very poor value for money. Our island incorporates an abundance of reliable and safe sources of hydro and marine (notably tidal and wave) power - this should now be the main focus for development of new energy supply whether one believes in global warming or not. A Severn Barrage alone could generate c.5% to 6% of the UK's electricity needs. Our nation's experience in offshore oil & gas exploration gives the UK a particular competitive advantage in this area and we should be looking to exploit this as a matter of priority.
Wake up Britain!
Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:51 pm
Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:06 pm
krab wrote:the barrage would be an eviromental disaster,and the use of one of the most enviromentaly unfriendly materials known(concrete)would be huge
Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:14 pm
krab wrote:the barrage would be an eviromental disaster,and the use of one of the most enviromentaly unfriendly materials known(concrete)would be huge
Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:22 pm
Uccello Azzurro wrote:krab wrote:the barrage would be an eviromental disaster,and the use of one of the most enviromentaly unfriendly materials known(concrete)would be huge
The barrage is just one option to exploit the second highest tidal range in the world. Friends of the Earth who are against a barrage are in favour of alternative technologies and are recommending that the Government look at stand-alone tidal generators, tidal fences and tidal lagoons.
Concrete is certainly a better option than uranium and the stockpiling radioactive waste.
Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:17 pm
Nuclearblue wrote:Uccello Azzurro wrote:krab wrote:the barrage would be an eviromental disaster,and the use of one of the most enviromentaly unfriendly materials known(concrete)would be huge
The barrage is just one option to exploit the second highest tidal range in the world. Friends of the Earth who are against a barrage are in favour of alternative technologies and are recommending that the Government look at stand-alone tidal generators, tidal fences and tidal lagoons.
Concrete is certainly a better option than uranium and the stockpiling radioactive waste.
If Friends of the Earth have suggested it then it is bound to be a pile of Shit . Concrete will not produce Electricity, Uraniam will.
Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:05 pm
Uccello Azzurro wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Uccello Azzurro wrote:krab wrote:the barrage would be an eviromental disaster,and the use of one of the most enviromentaly unfriendly materials known(concrete)would be huge
The barrage is just one option to exploit the second highest tidal range in the world. Friends of the Earth who are against a barrage are in favour of alternative technologies and are recommending that the Government look at stand-alone tidal generators, tidal fences and tidal lagoons.
Concrete is certainly a better option than uranium and the stockpiling radioactive waste.
If Friends of the Earth have suggested it then it is bound to be a pile of Shit . Concrete will not produce Electricity, Uraniam will.
Norway are the kings of hydro - c.98% of their electricity comes from it. Canada does admirably well at over 60%. The largest tidal power station is in France. For a soggy island, it is incredible that we generate just over 1% of our electricity from hyrdo.
The UK currently generates just c.3% of its electricity from renewables and, among EU countries, we stand out as a laggard for the lack of strategy and poor progress we are making in expanding renewables generation.
Even poor Portugal is notable for the progress it is making (and the global companies it has created) in renewable energy - 52% of the country's electricity generation came from renewables in 2010 (an increase of 28% in 5 years).
Germany, the undoubted economic and industrial leader in Europe has now decided against nuclear power. The share of electricity produced from renewable energy in Germany has increased from 3.1% of the national total in 1990 to about 20% today (more than nuclear power output in the UK). In 2010, investments totalling $40 billion were made in Germany’s renewable energies sector. Official figures indicate that nigh on 400,000 Germans are now employed in the renewable energy sector, especially in small and medium sized companies, rising at an annual rate of c.8% to 10% per annum. Germany currently relies on nuclear for 23% of its electricity needs (c.19% in the UK) and believes that renewable sources can take up most of this slack by the time it is eliminated in 2022. With a population of 82 million (UK: 62 million) and a solid position in industrial productivity (producing nearly 2x UK industrial output), Germany needs to be respected when it comes to decisions on industrial strategy and infrastructure investment. In these areas, sadly the UK lacks both ambition and vision.
Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:03 pm
Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:26 pm
Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:48 pm
Midfield general wrote:The fact of it all is that renewables bring no jobs, cost too much and are a blot to the landscape so residents will always try and stop any developments which again would cost more taxpayers money going through appeal after appeal. Whereas the areas like Anglesey who have benefited from a nuclear power station for many years all want it rebuilted because of the benefits it brings to the local ecomony.
Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:35 am
Uccello Azzurro wrote:Midfield general wrote:The fact of it all is that renewables bring no jobs, cost too much and are a blot to the landscape so residents will always try and stop any developments which again would cost more taxpayers money going through appeal after appeal. Whereas the areas like Anglesey who have benefited from a nuclear power station for many years all want it rebuilted because of the benefits it brings to the local ecomony.
You base your assertion on 3% of energy from renewables. The experience of other countries suggests that a commitment to investing in renewables leads to new jobs, new technologies and new companies. Do you have hard data to contradict the German experience? Siemens have set renewables at the centre of their corporate strategy - that Company employs over 400,000 worldwide. They seem to know something that you do not.
Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:34 am
milly44 wrote:Its a joke,
It usually goes as follows, would you like a bag?
yes please,
thats 5p please.... f*cking hell, give um here I will carry it!
Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:23 am
Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:24 am
Zabier wrote:I think it's a good idea. Like Ucello stated, plastic bags cause so many issues on an environmental level that something needed to be done. 5p is f**k all. I've started taking my own bags shopping and if I am caught short without one then I just pay the money needed for them.
It's only 5p a bag and that's even if we don't have our own bags. I think complaining about that really says a lot about how stubborn and lazy we are as a country. On top of that, money raised goes to good causes.
Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:37 am
Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:40 am
Nuclearblue wrote:Uccello Azzurro wrote:Midfield general wrote:The fact of it all is that renewables bring no jobs, cost too much and are a blot to the landscape so residents will always try and stop any developments which again would cost more taxpayers money going through appeal after appeal. Whereas the areas like Anglesey who have benefited from a nuclear power station for many years all want it rebuilted because of the benefits it brings to the local ecomony.
You base your assertion on 3% of energy from renewables. The experience of other countries suggests that a commitment to investing in renewables leads to new jobs, new technologies and new companies. Do you have hard data to contradict the German experience? Siemens have set renewables at the centre of their corporate strategy - that Company employs over 400,000 worldwide. They seem to know something that you do not.
It dosen't detract from the fact Renew ables are as about as useful as a Chocolate fire guard
Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:47 pm
Zabier wrote:I think it's a good idea. Like Ucello stated, plastic bags cause so many issues on an environmental level that something needed to be done. 5p is f**k all. I've started taking my own bags shopping and if I am caught short without one then I just pay the money needed for them.
It's only 5p a bag and that's even if we don't have our own bags. I think complaining about that really says a lot about how stubborn and lazy we are as a country. On top of that, money raised goes to good causes.
Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:48 pm
Berwyn wrote:That "BAG FOR LIFE" is a load of bollox. Have you noticed that TESCO no longer give you so called "Green Points" for not using their bags. Tesco's should have been honest about it and called them "We want to save money Bags". Rather than play the green card.
If our government was serious about the environment then they'd levy the import of meat from the other side of the planet. Why do Tescos need to fly lamb from New Zealand when better lamb is here on the doorstep. Crap beef from Argentina when British beef is far better.
Thing is a fresh leg of lamb will cost the customer around £15 regardless of weather it's from the UK or New Zealand. The difference being that Tesco's get it a few pennies cheaper. They don't give a shit about the environment when they are flying food in from all over the world so why the gov want to scratch the surface with carrier bags I don't know.
Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:56 pm
Uccello Azzurro wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Uccello Azzurro wrote:Midfield general wrote:The fact of it all is that renewables bring no jobs, cost too much and are a blot to the landscape so residents will always try and stop any developments which again would cost more taxpayers money going through appeal after appeal. Whereas the areas like Anglesey who have benefited from a nuclear power station for many years all want it rebuilted because of the benefits it brings to the local ecomony.
You base your assertion on 3% of energy from renewables. The experience of other countries suggests that a commitment to investing in renewables leads to new jobs, new technologies and new companies. Do you have hard data to contradict the German experience? Siemens have set renewables at the centre of their corporate strategy - that Company employs over 400,000 worldwide. They seem to know something that you do not.
It dosen't detract from the fact Renew ables are as about as useful as a Chocolate fire guard
No doubt you would have campaigned against the Clean Air Act 1956.
As some countries have shown, there is no need to rely on imported carbon or uranium in the longer term if you have the natural resources and vision to deliver a coherent and sustainable energy policy in the interests of the nation. Our mistake has been delay and an absurdly excessive focus on wind, especially land-based wind. Whilst other nations have surpassed all targets they set, e.g. Germany, the UK still can't work out what a target is. It is all symptomatic of why this country will continue its relative economic decline.
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There can be a place for nuclear, but not if it is allowed to shroud better and bolder renewable energy solutions.
Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:13 am
krab wrote:Zabier wrote:I think it's a good idea. Like Ucello stated, plastic bags cause so many issues on an environmental level that something needed to be done. 5p is f**k all. I've started taking my own bags shopping and if I am caught short without one then I just pay the money needed for them.
It's only 5p a bag and that's even if we don't have our own bags. I think complaining about that really says a lot about how stubborn and lazy we are as a country. On top of that, money raised goes to good causes.
as stated,why not bio-degradable bags or paper
Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:35 pm
Zabier wrote:krab wrote:Zabier wrote:I think it's a good idea. Like Ucello stated, plastic bags cause so many issues on an environmental level that something needed to be done. 5p is f**k all. I've started taking my own bags shopping and if I am caught short without one then I just pay the money needed for them.
It's only 5p a bag and that's even if we don't have our own bags. I think complaining about that really says a lot about how stubborn and lazy we are as a country. On top of that, money raised goes to good causes.
as stated,why not bio-degradable bags or paper
At the same time, why not just re-use your own bags? It's tit for tat it seems!
Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:57 pm
Uccello Azzurro wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Uccello Azzurro wrote:Midfield general wrote:The fact of it all is that renewables bring no jobs, cost too much and are a blot to the landscape so residents will always try and stop any developments which again would cost more taxpayers money going through appeal after appeal. Whereas the areas like Anglesey who have benefited from a nuclear power station for many years all want it rebuilted because of the benefits it brings to the local ecomony.
You base your assertion on 3% of energy from renewables. The experience of other countries suggests that a commitment to investing in renewables leads to new jobs, new technologies and new companies. Do you have hard data to contradict the German experience? Siemens have set renewables at the centre of their corporate strategy - that Company employs over 400,000 worldwide. They seem to know something that you do not.
It dosen't detract from the fact Renew ables are as about as useful as a Chocolate fire guard
No doubt you would have campaigned against the Clean Air Act 1956.
As some countries have shown, there is no need to rely on imported carbon or uranium in the longer term if you have the natural resources and vision to deliver a coherent and sustainable energy policy in the interests of the nation. Our mistake has been delay and an absurdly excessive focus on wind, especially land-based wind. Whilst other nations have surpassed all targets they set, e.g. Germany, the UK still can't work out what a target is. It is all symptomatic of why this country will continue its relative economic decline.
There can be a place for nuclear, but not if it is allowed to shroud better and bolder renewable energy solutions.
Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:43 pm
Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:16 pm
Uccello Azzurro wrote:Let's not forget that there is enough hydro power for the entirety of Wales right on our doorstep. The main proposal would be just 6 miles from the Cardiff City Stadium. I am not saying that Severn Barrage proposal is the optimal technology and environmental solution for this untapped opportunity, but it gives an indication of the minimum that is possible. Planners for this project have estimated that just this one project could create 35,000 construction jobs and between 10,000 and 40,000 permanent jobs.
By contrast, I understand that the nuclear industry employed c.40,000 people across the UK as a whole and just 1,400 in Wales at the end of 2009.
Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:46 pm
Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:09 pm
Nuclearblue wrote:Uccello Azzurro wrote:Let's not forget that there is enough hydro power for the entirety of Wales right on our doorstep. The main proposal would be just 6 miles from the Cardiff City Stadium. I am not saying that Severn Barrage proposal is the optimal technology and environmental solution for this untapped opportunity, but it gives an indication of the minimum that is possible. Planners for this project have estimated that just this one project could create 35,000 construction jobs and between 10,000 and 40,000 permanent jobs.
By contrast, I understand that the nuclear industry employed c.40,000 people across the UK as a whole and just 1,400 in Wales at the end of 2009.
The Severn Barrage would provide enough electricity for the whole of Wales !! i think you are overestimating just a Tad there Son. 1/It is new technology so they can only estimate how much it would produce but it may be enough for say the City of Cardiff and maybe Swansea if it went well. But again it is a very pricey idea for very uncertain results. And exactly how many people would it take to run this barrage ? 40.000 . But Wales did have two Nuclear Power Stations and one has been shut down since the late 80s and Wylfa is due to stop generating in the next year or two. The population of Anglesey are desperate for this new Station to be built and even Plaid Cymru are 100% in favour of this one as if they did not back it they would of been kicked off the Island.