" A VERY LONG JAIL SENTENCE SURELY ? "

The culprit who killed Mikey Dye must be facing a very long time in prison.

For years and as recent as this year there have been sentences handed down because the crime had taken place at a football match.

Not so long ago Cardiff City fans were sent down for 4 years for fighting with West Ham supporters, there have been long jail terms for supporters who were bystanders looking on and part of the crowd at the Chelsea cup match, in this instance an opposition supporter went to the away supporters turnstiles and landed a punch with consequences that ended another man's life.

I am not clued up on what sentence a manslaughter charge carries but if convicted the jail term must be in keeping in relation with the sentences handed down in recent times which have not had the severity that this case has.

I know that no amount of time in prison will benefit the family and friends of Mikey but surely there must be continuity to the jail terms upon conviction as a result of it happening at football.



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The culprit who killed Mikey Dye must be facing a very long time in prison.

For years and as recent as this year there have been sentences handed down because the crime had taken place at a football match.

Not so long ago Cardiff City fans were sent down for 4 years for fighting with West Ham supporters, there have been long jail terms for supporters who were bystanders looking on and part of the crowd at the Chelsea cup match, in this instance an opposition supporter went to the away supporters turnstiles and landed a punch with consequences that ended another man's life.

I am not clued up on what sentence a manslaughter charge carries but if convicted the jail term must be in keeping in relation with the sentences handed down in recent times which have not had the severity that this case has.

I know that no amount of time in prison will benefit the family and friends of Mikey but surely there must be continuity to the jail terms upon conviction as a result of it happening at football.

Spot on. Lets see what the media print now they know they are English too.

I think manslaughter carries 10 years max.

When a ccfc fan gets a 17month sentence for throwing a cone this bloke deserves the full sentence of 10 years for taking a life. I dont think that he meant to kill Mike but if you go round throwing punches then you have to be prepared to face the consequences of your actions.

Carl, manslaughter carries a maximum of life..... Lets hope for that

But in reality they can get as low as 3 to 4 years which means they can be out in 1 to 2 years. Depending if they have given a quick guilty plea. Yes being Football it could be different, but that would be depending on the team he or they support.
I Really hope they didnt mean to kill Mikey so that means they will have to carry the burden for the rest of there lives, and i hope they do. But Murder in reality they can be out in less than 10 years maybe 7 so Manslaughter would be far less. Not many receive the maximum.

googled...

Single punch manslaughter cases:
R v Furby [2006] 2 Cr.App.R.(S.) 8 - guideline case
Appellant and deceased were good friends. For a reason that the court regarded as an explicable reaction, the appellant struck a single punch of moderate force to the right cheek, the deceased collapsed to the ground and died due to a subarachnoid haemorrhage. Appellant of good character. Sentence reduced to 12 months imprisonment. Case law cited confirms that if there are aggravating circumstances the sentence could be as high as four years.

Attorney General''s Ref No.64 of 2008 (Wyatt) [2009] 2 Cr. App. R. (S.) 59
Single punch manslaughter case of unprovoked attack by offender with a record of yobbery.

See also CSP at B1-3.3A for manslaughter cases arising out of fights.

The culprit who killed Mikey Dye must be facing a very long time in prison.

For years and as recent as this year there have been sentences handed down because the crime had taken place at a football match.

Not so long ago Cardiff City fans were sent down for 4 years for fighting with West Ham supporters, there have been long jail terms for supporters who were bystanders looking on and part of the crowd at the Chelsea cup match, in this instance an opposition supporter went to the away supporters turnstiles and landed a punch with consequences that ended another man's life.

I am not clued up on what sentence a manslaughter charge carries but if convicted the jail term must be in keeping in relation with the sentences handed down in recent times which have not had the severity that this case has.

I know that no amount of time in prison will benefit the family and friends of Mikey but surely there must be continuity to the jail terms upon conviction as a result of it happening at football.

If it had been the other way around and a Cardiff fan had done this to an English fan you can bet your bottom dollar he would get the maximum jail sentence and the daily papers and Talkshite would still be going on about it.

Depends if they were both involved on the same level.
Probably 4 years maximum,out after 18 months.

This was the verdict to the thug who attacked my friend last season at Hartlepool,and my mate is still in a chester hospital!

A FOOTBALL fan left fighting for life after being brain damaged by a single punch has vowed to be home in time to see his beloved team play in the next Steel City derby - as his violent attacker begins a three-year jail term.
Sheffield Wednesday supporter Kevin Taylor, aged 51, known on the terraces as Sid, was put into a coma by thug Paul Bennett who launched an unprovoked attack after an Owls away fixture.
Sid, who followed Wednesday at home and away, was unconscious even before he hit the ground. He suffered devastating brain injuries and still needs round-the-clock care.
He is currently receiving treatment at a specialist brain injury rehabilitation unit in Chester - and friends say it could be months before he is allowed home to Swinton, Rotherham.
But the football fan is hopeful of making it back to Hillsborough in time to see Sheffield Wednesday play Sheffield United in the next derby.
Friend Jane Creek said: “Kev wants to be fit for next season and is already looking forward to the derby.
“He is doing really well in Chester and can’t wait to get back to watching Wednesday.”

The culprit who killed Mikey Dye must be facing a very long time in prison.

For years and as recent as this year there have been sentences handed down because the crime had taken place at a football match.

Not so long ago Cardiff City fans were sent down for 4 years for fighting with West Ham supporters, there have been long jail terms for supporters who were bystanders looking on and part of the crowd at the Chelsea cup match, in this instance an opposition supporter went to the away supporters turnstiles and landed a punch with consequences that ended another man's life.

I am not clued up on what sentence a manslaughter charge carries but if convicted the jail term must be in keeping in relation with the sentences handed down in recent times which have not had the severity that this case has.

I know that no amount of time in prison will benefit the family and friends of Mikey but surely there must be continuity to the jail terms upon conviction as a result of it happening at football.

Spot on Carl.

The culprit who killed Mikey Dye must be facing a very long time in prison.

For years and as recent as this year there have been sentences handed down because the crime had taken place at a football match.

Not so long ago Cardiff City fans were sent down for 4 years for fighting with West Ham supporters, there have been long jail terms for supporters who were bystanders looking on and part of the crowd at the Chelsea cup match, in this instance an opposition supporter went to the away supporters turnstiles and landed a punch with consequences that ended another man's life.

I am not clued up on what sentence a manslaughter charge carries but if convicted the jail term must be in keeping in relation with the sentences handed down in recent times which have not had the severity that this case has.

I know that no amount of time in prison will benefit the family and friends of Mikey but surely there must be continuity to the jail terms upon conviction as a result of it happening at football.

If it had been the other way around and a Cardiff fan had done this to an English fan you can bet your bottom dollar he would get the maximum jail sentence and the daily papers and Talkshite would still be going on about it.

This was the verdict to the thug who attacked my friend last season at Hartlepool,and my mate is still in a chester hospital!

A FOOTBALL fan left fighting for life after being brain damaged by a single punch has vowed to be home in time to see his beloved team play in the next Steel City derby - as his violent attacker begins a three-year jail term.
Sheffield Wednesday supporter Kevin Taylor, aged 51, known on the terraces as Sid, was put into a coma by thug Paul Bennett who launched an unprovoked attack after an Owls away fixture.
Sid, who followed Wednesday at home and away, was unconscious even before he hit the ground. He suffered devastating brain injuries and still needs round-the-clock care.
He is currently receiving treatment at a specialist brain injury rehabilitation unit in Chester - and friends say it could be months before he is allowed home to Swinton, Rotherham.
But the football fan is hopeful of making it back to Hillsborough in time to see Sheffield Wednesday play Sheffield United in the next derby.
Friend Jane Creek said: “Kev wants to be fit for next season and is already looking forward to the derby.
“He is doing really well in Chester and can’t wait to get back to watching Wednesday.”

Sam, The problem with this country Our Courts are not consistent with how they sentence people for their crimes.

This was the verdict to the thug who attacked my friend last season at Hartlepool,and my mate is still in a chester hospital!

A FOOTBALL fan left fighting for life after being brain damaged by a single punch has vowed to be home in time to see his beloved team play in the next Steel City derby - as his violent attacker begins a three-year jail term.
Sheffield Wednesday supporter Kevin Taylor, aged 51, known on the terraces as Sid, was put into a coma by thug Paul Bennett who launched an unprovoked attack after an Owls away fixture.
Sid, who followed Wednesday at home and away, was unconscious even before he hit the ground. He suffered devastating brain injuries and still needs round-the-clock care.
He is currently receiving treatment at a specialist brain injury rehabilitation unit in Chester - and friends say it could be months before he is allowed home to Swinton, Rotherham.
But the football fan is hopeful of making it back to Hillsborough in time to see Sheffield Wednesday play Sheffield United in the next derby.
Friend Jane Creek said: “Kev wants to be fit for next season and is already looking forward to the derby.
“He is doing really well in Chester and can’t wait to get back to watching Wednesday.”

This Country is Fucked up Sam. Throw traffic cone and it hits no one and get 18 Months. Do what happened to your Mate and get a couple more Months. Disgusting

Mikey Dye was a good friend to me and a special friend to my mrs Mandy and her brother Mallo, i hope the culprit gets the maximum and throw the key away!

Another Three arrested

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/police-open-mi ... 25641.html

And manslaughter guidelines

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sent ... slaughter/

Bring back hanging i garuntee you this wouldnt of happened or most crimes wouldnt happen if it was a life for a life .. Idont care if the guy did not mean to kill mike the fact is he threw a punch and it unfortunatly took another INNOCENT mans life for NO REASON he should either get life and by life i mean LIFE not a few years for good behaviour or they should give him a noose and make him do it himself.

The culprit who killed Mikey Dye must be facing a very long time in prison.

For years and as recent as this year there have been sentences handed down because the crime had taken place at a football match.

Not so long ago Cardiff City fans were sent down for 4 years for fighting with West Ham supporters, there have been long jail terms for supporters who were bystanders looking on and part of the crowd at the Chelsea cup match, in this instance an opposition supporter went to the away supporters turnstiles and landed a punch with consequences that ended another man's life.

I am not clued up on what sentence a manslaughter charge carries but if convicted the jail term must be in keeping in relation with the sentences handed down in recent times which have not had the severity that this case has.

I know that no amount of time in prison will benefit the family and friends of Mikey but surely there must be continuity to the jail terms upon conviction as a result of it happening at football.

manslaughter is a minefield of different levels of responsibility with differing sentences being handed out.
In retrospect murder is easier to try in court.
Each manslughter case is based on its individual circumstances as to how the death occured.
Were the two parities in an arguement before the fight occured - this can reduce a sentence claiming mitigating circumstances
Was it unprovoked with the victim unaware of a possible assault - this would probably call for a maximum sentence
As it was football related a string of other charges have probably been added to the main charge of manslaughter, these will add on to the sentence or they maybe dismissed as the sentence for manslaughter alone maybe large enough.

In England and Wales manslaughter has a "discretionary" life sentence, as opposed to the mandatory one for murder. This means the judge's discretion is used. He could impose any sentence at all, from an unconditional discharge, which means a conviction is recorded but no punishment given, right up to life imprisonment, or even a fine.

Manslaughter covers such a wide range of offences with different levels of fault that there is no simple answer as to length of sentence.

Bring back hanging i garuntee you this wouldnt of happened or most crimes wouldnt happen if it was a life for a life .. Idont care if the guy did not mean to kill mike the fact is he threw a punch and it unfortunatly took another INNOCENT mans life for NO REASON he should either get life and by life i mean LIFE not a few years for good behaviour or they should give him a noose and make him do it himself.

Bring back hanging .. FF's I Despair ..!!

Bring back hanging i garuntee you this wouldnt of happened or most crimes wouldnt happen if it was a life for a life .. Idont care if the guy did not mean to kill mike the fact is he threw a punch and it unfortunatly took another INNOCENT mans life for NO REASON he should either get life and by life i mean LIFE not a few years for good behaviour or they should give him a noose and make him do it himself.

Bring back hanging .. FF's I Despair ..!!

Sorry dont you agree? Like you said on the post with the chinese joke its a message board with OPINIONS do i stick my nose in yours no.... So i dont expect you to do the same.... Have a good night.

Bring back hanging i garuntee you this wouldnt of happened or most crimes wouldnt happen if it was a life for a life .. Idont care if the guy did not mean to kill mike the fact is he threw a punch and it unfortunatly took another INNOCENT mans life for NO REASON he should either get life and by life i mean LIFE not a few years for good behaviour or they should give him a noose and make him do it himself.

Bring back hanging .. FF's I Despair ..!!

Sorry dont you agree? Like you said on the post with the chinese joke its a message board with OPINIONS do i stick my nose in yours no.... So i dont expect you to do the same.... Have a good night.

thats right it's a message board and no I don't agree with the death penalty thats my opinion..and the other thread has nowt to do with this one whatsoever .....and as for {Quote} 'did i stick my nose in yours'.. how old are you for gawd sake...!! If your going to post such a contentious statement as 'bring back hanging' then your going to get people disagreeing with you and people who may agree with .. but people can still have a bloody opinion..!!

dont bet on it he will probably demand his human rights in this soft pc country

thats right it's a message board and no I don't agree with the death penalty thats my opinion..and the other thread has nowt to do with this one whatsoever .....and as for {Quote} 'did i stick my nose in yours'.. how old are you for gawd sake...!! If your going to post such a contentious statement as 'bring back hanging' then your going to get people disagreeing with you and people who may agree with .. but people can still have a bloody opinion..!![/quote]
Right firstly on the other thread you sai something along the lines of thats my opinion not yours ill say what i want.... Well it works both ways mate..... And i take by the " how old are you for god sake" you think im immature and i can deal with that so what im 18 and i have an opinion sorry... And also you could of said why you disagree not try to belittle me and i am not going to reply back after this because this is going completely off the topic this thread was made for an me an you arguing is not going to help it so ill have my opinions and you have yours good night .. And try to wake up on the other side of the bed tommorow please

The culprit who killed Mikey Dye must be facing a very long time in prison.

For years and as recent as this year there have been sentences handed down because the crime had taken place at a football match.

Not so long ago Cardiff City fans were sent down for 4 years for fighting with West Ham supporters, there have been long jail terms for supporters who were bystanders looking on and part of the crowd at the Chelsea cup match, in this instance an opposition supporter went to the away supporters turnstiles and landed a punch with consequences that ended another man's life.

I am not clued up on what sentence a manslaughter charge carries but if convicted the jail term must be in keeping in relation with the sentences handed down in recent times which have not had the severity that this case has.

I know that no amount of time in prison will benefit the family and friends of Mikey but surely there must be continuity to the jail terms upon conviction as a result of it happening at football.



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Hopefully a really long sentence in Cardiff Nick............

Right firstly on the other thread you sai something along the lines of thats my opinion not yours ill say what i want.... Well it works both ways mate..... And i take by the " how old are you for god sake" you think im immature and i can deal with that so what im 18 and i have an opinion sorry... And also you could of said why you disagree not try to belittle me and i am not going to reply back after this because this is going completely off the topic this thread was made for an me an you arguing is not going to help it so ill have my opinions and you have yours good night .. And try to wake up on the other side of the bed tommorow please[/quote]

Now sunshine firstly wind your neck in.. secondly at no point did I say {Quote} thats my opinion not yours .. i'll say what I want '....so get your facts straight and don't post total bollox which i didn't say. and thirdly it's off the topic because you took it off the topic... I didn't belittle you ,,, just commented I despair at your post about bringing back the death penalty which as you want a reason for my stance is because it's barbaric, archaic and what happens as in the past you hang someone who in time turns out to be innocent? thats my opinion and only my opinion so get over yourself ff's..!!

Right firstly on the other thread you sai something along the lines of thats my opinion not yours ill say what i want.... Well it works both ways mate..... And i take by the " how old are you for god sake" you think im immature and i can deal with that so what im 18 and i have an opinion sorry... And also you could of said why you disagree not try to belittle me and i am not going to reply back after this because this is going completely off the topic this thread was made for an me an you arguing is not going to help it so ill have my opinions and you have yours good night .. And try to wake up on the other side of the bed tommorow please

Now sunshine firstly wind your neck in.. secondly at no point did I say {Quote} thats my opinion not yours .. i'll say what I want '....so get your facts straight and don't post total bollox which i didn't say. and thirdly it's off the topic because you took it off the topic... I didn't belittle you ,,, just commented I despair at your post about bringing back the death penalty which as you want a reason for my stance is because it's barbaric, archaic and what happens as in the past you hang someone who in time turns out to be innocent? thats my opinion and only my opinion so get over yourself ff's..!![/quote]
Firstly i was not going to reply again but the "wind your neck in" comment was too much to turn down so Firstly i did not say you said those exact words i said you said "along the lines" of that (sorry for not going back to copy and paste what you actually said) do you really think i would be that stupid to blaitantly lie when someone can go look it up .. No maybe if you calmed down and read it you would see that and on the topic of me taking this off topic no i commented about hanging the scum and you replied thus making this argument.. Now on to point you made about them being not guilty and its too late they have been hanged where did i say they should just start hanging people they have in custody nowhere i mean when they know for a FACT sed person is guilty for e.g ian huntly, peter suttcliffe or if this turns out to be the guy who commited the cime at wembley everyone knows they are guilty but they cant release them because they will have a backlash by civies so what happens they stay in jail which means the jails are full which means when things happen like the riots the other week people get silly slaps on the wrist because there is knowhere to put the scum thus making them think they are untoichable thus making yob culture rise now we have completely went off topic but i do not mean if someone robs an old lad hang them i meant it in disguisting act of violonce that was completely unprovoked ....... Oh and seriously did you just call me sunshine?? Lol

Now on to point you made about them being not guilty and its too late they have been hanged where did i say they should just start hanging people they have in custody nowhere i mean when they know for a FACT sed person is guilty for e.g ian huntly, peter suttcliffe or if this turns out to be the guy who commited the cime at wembley everyone knows they are guilty

Just to answer your comment about {Quote} when they know for a FACT sed person is guilty:=

Cardiff Three .. Yusef Abdelahi, Tony Paris and Steven Miller spent 11 years in prison for the murder of Lynette White..

Darvell Brothers {Paul and Wayne} served 7 years for the murder of a women in a sex shop in Swansea.

Stefan Kisko served 16 years for the murder and rape of 11 year old Lesley Molseed

these are just a few examples ..so what did they all have in common .. They were actually Innocent... if the death penalty was still carried out in this country they would have been hung...

Derek Bentley was 19 years old and was hung in this country in 1953 for shooting dead a police man... he was subsequently found not guilty and was given a posthumous Pardon

This is why i'm against the death penalty .. so hope thats answered your question..

[quote="Phantom Of The Chopra"]Now on to point you made about them being not guilty and its too late they have been hanged where did i say they should just start hanging people they have in custody nowhere i mean when they know for a FACT sed person is guilty for e.g ian huntly, peter suttcliffe or if this turns out to be the guy who commited the cime at wembley everyone knows they are guilty

Just to answer your comment about {Quote} when they know for a FACT sed person is guilty:=

Cardiff Three .. Yusef Abdelahi, Tony Paris and Steven Miller spent 11 years in prison for the murder of Lynette White..

Darvell Brothers {Paul and Wayne} served 7 years for the murder of a women in a sex shop in Swansea.

Stefan Kisko served 16 years for the murder and rape of 11 year old Lesley Molseed

these are just a few examples ..so what did they all have in common .. They were actually Innocent... if the death penalty was still carried out in this country they would have been hung...

Derek Bentley was 19 years old and was hung in this country in 1953 for shooting dead a police man... he was subsequently found not guilty and was given a posthumous Pardon

I think we are arguing now for the sake of it to be honest of course these are cases of people that could of been hung but never but that also begs the question that there are people who should be hung but have not? E.g rapists where they hav dna evidence that they in fact commited the crime? Science is way far more advanced nowadays to let something like this happen again? These examples were at least 10 years old but Me and you are never going you agree on this so i dont see the point in carrying this on but surely we can both agree if the judical system was stricter this country wouldnt be in the state its in now?

I think we are arguing now for the sake of it to be honest of course these are cases of people that could of been hung but never but that also begs the question that there are people who should be hung but have not? E.g rapists where they hav dna evidence that they in fact commited the crime? Science is way far more advanced nowadays to let something like this happen again? These examples were at least 10 years old but Me and you are never going you agree on this so i dont see the point in carrying this on but surely we can both agree if the judical system was stricter this country wouldnt be in the state its in now?[/quote]

Totally agree that the judicial system in this country is totally fucked up and needs a total overalling .. but never would agree to the death penalty to be honest.. but that is my own personal opinion.

But back to the thread.. as I previously said I hope this individual or individuals involved in this heinous crime gets their just desserts and Mr Dye's loved ones get Justice...!!

I think we are arguing now for the sake of it to be honest of course these are cases of people that could of been hung but never but that also begs the question that there are people who should be hung but have not? E.g rapists where they hav dna evidence that they in fact commited the crime? Science is way far more advanced nowadays to let something like this happen again? These examples were at least 10 years old but Me and you are never going you agree on this so i dont see the point in carrying this on but surely we can both agree if the judical system was stricter this country wouldnt be in the state its in now?

Totally agree that the judicial system in this country is totally fucked up and needs a total overalling .. but never would agree to the death penalty to be honest.. but that is my own personal opinion.

But back to the thread.. as I previously said I hope this individual or individuals involved in this heinous crime gets their just desserts and Mr Dye's loved ones get Justice...!![/quote]
Now that last bit is something we can definatly agree on!