FAO those who are Welsh Not British, Anti English....

What people mean by that usauly is Welsh before British nothing wrong with that in my eyes.

Millar...the "do you speak Welsh" question is also old and predicatable...


...not speaking Welsh does not make a Wels person anymore Welsh than a Welsh speaker. It just proves they were either brought up in a Welsh speaking community or fate sent them to a Welsh medium school.

I know it mate, I dont even speak Welsh myself but Im a proud Welshman.

It was more of a pathetic answer in reply to his pathetic answer of 'no', childish as feck I know but
Im in a funny mood..

How does the union jack represent us? most foreign people don't even know wales exists. Why? because they see the Union Jack at the Olympics and they don't see the dragon so dont ask.

At the 2012 Olympics im going to walk around England with a welsh flag with the welsh people on. I hope all the others lose and I will support all the other contestants over them until they put the dragon on the union jack.

I dont really care about the rest of Wales either. Full of rugby loving planks who go on 'I dont like football mun, I play a mans game'.

Yeah, of course you do, thats why you maul and fondle each others balls you stupid welsh mongo.

Cardiff is where its at and we're the capital for a reason.

No representation of Wales on the union flag, even though england and Wales were already in union when the flag was designed.
Not sure what is meant by "union" to be honest, not sure if we were equal partners or if we were ruled by england - perhaps someone can shed light on it??

Guys.

I agree with you about Wales not being represented on the Union Jack.

I shouldnt have put Welsh Not British, my post is mainly aimed at people who are anti English, Anti England.

If that is the case, supporting Cardiff City doesnt make much sense to be honest as you would be far better off, saving all your money and following a League of Wales team and then going off into Europe like when Barry Town played Porto in Portugal or when they played Boavista or maybe following Cwmbran Town upto Celtic Park with thousands of followers, all with Welsh Flags putting Wales on the map and being patriotic WELSHMEN following WELSH FOOTBALL.

That never happened though did it, but we still managed to take 35,000 to the Home of English Football to watch Cardiff play in an English Cup Competition and we still took 35,000 to the National Stadium of England to see Cardiff try and get into the English Premier League.

Backwards mun!

so are you saying that true Welsh fans should only follow Welsh teams consisting of Welsh players?

does this argument also apply to english etc as well. Only english players should be allowed to play in english teams? What about managment....must they be home grown as well?

if a players wants to play for a Welsh team why shouldn't he be supported? As soon as a player leaves city I don't cheer the team that he now plays for!

mun backwards?

all the people with the little wales mentality are out in force tonight

welsh by birth british by the grace of god

so are you saying that true Welsh fans should only follow Welsh teams consisting of Welsh players?

does this argument also apply to english etc as well. Only english players should be allowed to play in english teams? What about managment....must they be home grown as well?

if a players wants to play for a Welsh team why shouldn't he be supported? As soon as a player leaves city I don't cheer the team that he now plays for!

mun backwards?

Are you missing the point on purpose.

Why would Dai from Dowlais who loves Wales, hates England with a passion, cant stand the English Barstewards, Welsh till he dies, would rather wear a turbon than a rose, follow a team that plays in the English League istead of a Welsh Team who plays in the Welsh League and represents Wales in Europe.

just remember u have to pay to get into gods country lol ime married to a wonderfull english lady an have 3 grown up children who have a good sense of who we r an thats certanly not anti english irish scottish or even yidish we just enjoy our team cardiff city fc so come an get with the rest of the nation an stamp out anti english views just support our footi an make some noise support the boys come on city have a good season

the league is english yet all players in that league are not!

wear a turbon instead of a rose - what the hell?

we shall have to agree to disagree because you're not making sense.

just remember u have to pay to get into gods country lol ime married to a wonderfull english lady an have 3 grown up children who have a good sense of who we r an thats certanly not anti english irish scottish or even yidish we just enjoy our team cardiff city fc so come an get with the rest of the nation an stamp out anti english views just support our footi an make some noise support the boys come on city have a good season

are you drunk?

the league is english yet all players in that league are not!

wear a turbon instead of a rose - what the hell?

we shall have to agree to disagree because you're not making sense.

Why am I not making sense mate.

its simple.

Why do Welsh People who hate England and hate the English, follow a team that plays in the English League against English Clubs when they could be following a team that plays in the National League of Wales against other Welsh Clubs, they could also have the chance to follow that team into Europe and put that Welsh Club and Wales on the map.

Yet they chose to follow a team who play 46 games a season against English Teams 23 of which are helf in England.

the league is english yet all players in that league are not!

wear a turbon instead of a rose - what the hell?

we shall have to agree to disagree because you're not making sense.

Why am I not making sense mate.

its simple.

Why do Welsh People who hate England and hate the English, follow a team that plays in the English League against English Clubs when they could be following a team that plays in the National League of Wales against other Welsh Clubs, they could also have the chance to follow that team into Europe and put that Welsh Club and Wales on the map.

Yet they chose to follow a team who play 46 games a season against English Teams 23 of which are helf in England.

because we support a WELSH team in the english league and we want the WELSH team we support to beat the english teams. Not hard to grasp, surely?

I have followed city for years (first taken down to NP by my late father). Following city was not a choice to be honest and I would not change my alegiance becuse I don't like the english....in fact it makes it sweeter when city beat an english team in england.
I also follow Wales as well as watch a few LOW games if I am unable to attend a city game due to work and there is a match close to where I am working.

the league is english yet all players in that league are not!

wear a turbon instead of a rose - what the hell?

we shall have to agree to disagree because you're not making sense.

Why am I not making sense mate.

its simple.

Why do Welsh People who hate England and hate the English, follow a team that plays in the English League against English Clubs when they could be following a team that plays in the National League of Wales against other Welsh Clubs, they could also have the chance to follow that team into Europe and put that Welsh Club and Wales on the map.

Yet they chose to follow a team who play 46 games a season against English Teams 23 of which are helf in England.

because we support a WELSH team in the english league and we want the WELSH team we support to beat the english teams. Not hard to grasp, surely?

No, not hard to grasp for someone like me, or possibly you who doesnt hate everybody and everything English No.

But for Cardiff City Fans who are Welsh Nationalists and Anti Englisha and Anti England, tottaly Baffling..

everybody is entitled to their own opinion

I have followed city for years (first taken down to NP by my late father). Following city was not a choice to be honest and I would not change my alegiance becuse I don't like the english....in fact it makes it sweeter when city beat an english team in england.
I also follow Wales as well as watch a few LOW games if I am unable to attend a city game due to work and there is a match close to where I am working.

Fair enough mate, I hope you can see where Im coming from though.

Its not aimed at proud Welshmen who support Cardiff City, but more the Welsh Nationalits brigade.

Its a bit like Catalonians wanting independence but wanting Barcelona to play in the Spanish League.

If they want that they should have a Catalonian League.

I believe that any Cardiff City Fan who wants Independence for Wales should want Cardiff to play in the League of Wales, otherwise I think they are hypocrits.

totally see what you are saying.
watching LOW football can be somewhat tiring sometimes.
It would be a nightmare if a club as big as city went into the LOW.....perhaps I would follow ice hockey if that happened.

However - I see the point you are making

Cos they'e socialists Millar.

Divide and conquer, sheeple principle (I should have copyrighted that years ago).

The lefties on CCMB are at it all the time, if they're not knocking Annis or Carl at a personal level, they try to knock the community here.

Can't be arsed with them.

I have followed city for years (first taken down to NP by my late father). Following city was not a choice to be honest and I would not change my alegiance becuse I don't like the english....in fact it makes it sweeter when city beat an english team in england.
I also follow Wales as well as watch a few LOW games if I am unable to attend a city game due to work and there is a match close to where I am working.

Fair enough mate, I hope you can see where Im coming from though.

Its not aimed at proud Welshmen who support Cardiff City, but more the Welsh Nationalits brigade.

Its a bit like Catalonians wanting independence but wanting Barcelona to play in the Spanish League.

If they want that they should have a Catalonian League.

I believe that any Cardiff City Fan who wants Independence for Wales should want Cardiff to play in the League of Wales, otherwise I think they are hypocrits.

I'm a Welsh Nationalist. In reality, whether an independant Wales could work is another matter.
But if we WERE independant from England, I'd see nowt wrong in playing in the English league?
Why not? English companies would still buy Welsh Steel/Water/Labour etc... Plus I have English
relations who are f*cking sound as!! Being a Welsh Nationalist dont mean you have to hate the
English, why should it??

But I'm Welsh first!!

British... hmmm well, id sooner have the English and Scots as neighbours than Pakistan or Iran
put it that way!

As for the Union Jack?

Its not my flag. End of

Should i go waving a flag that does not represent my country just because the 'bigger'
country ruffles my hair and pats me on the back and says "oh no, this is your flag too taffy boy!"

Naaaaaah

I have followed city for years (first taken down to NP by my late father). Following city was not a choice to be honest and I would not change my alegiance becuse I don't like the english....in fact it makes it sweeter when city beat an english team in england.
I also follow Wales as well as watch a few LOW games if I am unable to attend a city game due to work and there is a match close to where I am working.

Fair enough mate, I hope you can see where Im coming from though.

Its not aimed at proud Welshmen who support Cardiff City, but more the Welsh Nationalits brigade.

Its a bit like Catalonians wanting independence but wanting Barcelona to play in the Spanish League.

If they want that they should have a Catalonian League.

I believe that any Cardiff City Fan who wants Independence for Wales should want Cardiff to play in the League of Wales, otherwise I think they are hypocrits.

I'm a Welsh Nationalist. In reality, whether an independant Wales could work is another matter.
But if we WERE independant from England, I'd see nowt wrong in playing in the English league?
Why not? English companies would still buy Welsh Steel/Water/Labour etc... Plus I have English
relations who are f*cking sound as!! Being a Welsh Nationalist dont mean you have to hate the
English, why should it??

But I'm Welsh first!!

British... hmmm well, id sooner have the English and Scots as neighbours than Pakistan or Iran
put it that way!

As for the Union Jack?

Its not my flag. End of

Should i go waving a flag that does not represent my country just because the 'bigger'
country ruffles my hair and pats me on the back and says "oh no, this is your flag too taffy boy!"

Naaaaaah

Taffy Mun.

Your probably one of my favourite posters on here bruv but I got to be honest fella,
unless Im getting it totaly wrong, I cant see how a Welsh Nationalist would support a Welsh Team
that plays in England??

Take a Saturday now, you got 4 blokes in Talybont Black Horse Pub having a pint of Welsh Allbright, 3 of them are off to watch Tallybont Utd play in the Welsh Premier League and then you turn round and say Im off to Gillingham, Gillingham? they say, yeah butt, off to watch Cardiff play in the English League innit.

They would turn their backs on you in a heartbeat woulnt they?

I have followed city for years (first taken down to NP by my late father). Following city was not a choice to be honest and I would not change my alegiance becuse I don't like the english....in fact it makes it sweeter when city beat an english team in england.
I also follow Wales as well as watch a few LOW games if I am unable to attend a city game due to work and there is a match close to where I am working.

Fair enough mate, I hope you can see where Im coming from though.

Its not aimed at proud Welshmen who support Cardiff City, but more the Welsh Nationalits brigade.

Its a bit like Catalonians wanting independence but wanting Barcelona to play in the Spanish League.

If they want that they should have a Catalonian League.

I believe that any Cardiff City Fan who wants Independence for Wales should want Cardiff to play in the League of Wales, otherwise I think they are hypocrits.

I'm a Welsh Nationalist. In reality, whether an independant Wales could work is another matter.
But if we WERE independant from England, I'd see nowt wrong in playing in the English league?
Why not? English companies would still buy Welsh Steel/Water/Labour etc... Plus I have English
relations who are f*cking sound as!! Being a Welsh Nationalist dont mean you have to hate the
English, why should it??

But I'm Welsh first!!

British... hmmm well, id sooner have the English and Scots as neighbours than Pakistan or Iran
put it that way!

As for the Union Jack?

Its not my flag. End of

Should i go waving a flag that does not represent my country just because the 'bigger'
country ruffles my hair and pats me on the back and says "oh no, this is your flag too taffy boy!"

Naaaaaah

Taffy Mun.

Your probably one of my favourite posters on here bruv but I got to be honest fella,
unless Im getting it totaly wrong, I cant see how a Welsh Nationalist would support a Welsh Team
that plays in England??

Take a Saturday now, you got 4 blokes in Talybont Black Horse Pub having a pint of Welsh Allbright, 3 of them are off to watch Tallybont Utd play in the Welsh Premier League and then you turn round and say Im off to Gillingham, Gillingham? they say, yeah butt, off to watch Cardiff play in the English League innit.

They would turn their backs on you in a heartbeat woulnt they?[/quote]

Ok... take a lad who has been working for a building company for years, he
decides to leave and go off on his own. It does not mean that he hates the
people he used to work for, it just means he wants to see how he gets on
as his own boss. When he is working for himself, there's nothing to say he
cant get sub-contracting work for his old Company!!

So to me, being independant from London would mean just that. I got no
problems with the English, i just see myself as Welsh, and different...and
not all that different to be honest. Are we too thick to run our own affairs?
I think not. Aneurin Bevan, David Lloyd George etc... we're a bright nation!

Over the last few years ive realised we have a lot more in common with
the English and scots and Irish than we do with any other buggers!! But
I would still (personally) like to see Wales try to stand on her own two feet!!

If that were ever the case, Cardiff City, playing in an English League, would
be no different really from any other Welsh business operating in England,
or vice versa. Just because we are 'separate' national identities does not mean
we cannot co-exist!

My view anyway

all you sheep shaggers make me laugh,you're so anti english until the shit starts flying and them you start with the it's only banter......like those useless shits the jocks.never want anything to do with us except spend ENGLISH TAXPAYERS money..you'll never vote for independence because you're like john hartson...no balls.give us english a vote on independence from the jocks,taffs and irish,and we'd be off like a shot.on the borders the landmines and barb wire would be planted and fenced off your heads would spin......BRING IT ON........ENGLAND FOREVER BRITAIN NEVER.......

all you sheep shaggers make me laugh,you're so anti english until the shit starts flying and them you start with the it's only banter......like those useless shits the jocks.never want anything to do with us except spend ENGLISH TAXPAYERS money..you'll never vote for independence because you're like john hartson...no balls.give us english a vote on independence from the jocks,taffs and irish,and we'd be off like a shot.on the borders the landmines and barb wire would be planted and fenced off your heads would spin......BRING IT ON........ENGLAND FOREVER BRITAIN NEVER.......

If everyone in Birmingham "went home"...the place would be empty

Even your name SHAUN is Irish

what a prick

What a ridiculous question.

People who want Welsh Independance dont want to build up a huge wall along offas dyke (well ok some might).
Its about self goverenance and preserving tradition which English invaders have tried to quash for 700 years.
There would be no issue about being involved with the UK or the EU for that matter.

Its like asking that Brummie idiot who wants English independance to have no foreigners in the premier league team, not playing in europe etc.

The recent riots have shown us that England is broken, let them sort it out themselves.

Why does this worf "Hate" crop up so many times

How can tou "hate" an individual for being pafrt of a Nation - unless perhaps you are at war with them, but even then they may not all be responsible for the actions of their country.

My mate was killed by the Argentinians - do I hate them - do, I hate the man that killed him - No - have seen him, never met him but understand he had a job to do.

I have friends seriously injured by the IRA - do I hate them - gets pretty close, but will not let my energy and time be wasted on such people.

Do I hate the English - No. I served in the Royal Welch Fusiliers for 9 years in the British Army. I had English friends there and even they fought with us in our little scuffles with English Regiments - but there was no hatred - later we would work closely with these guys, from the other Regiments doing our job, and we would still let them know we were "better" than them in mutual non violent manner.

Yes - I am a proud welshman and I allow other people to be proud of their country and I would not hate them for doing so.

So less hate and more understanding may prevent further tragedies that occurred the other night - if that indeed was a cause.

want Welsh Independence.

Genuine quetion

Do you not feel a bit silly supporting a Team that doesnt play in the country it is from.

Surely, if you were so Anti British, Anti England you wouldnt be following a team from your Capital City that every other week travels into the country you are so against to play Football matches.

Adding to that, every week for the past god knows how long you have been going to watch Cardiff City, managed by an Englishman, you have been supporting a team that is predomantly made up of Englishman, playing against teams made up of Englishmen. You have (probably) been to Wembley, the home of English Football, to watch your team play in the Premier Cup Competition of England and if you go to Away games you are going to England every other week!

I am not saying that supporters of Cardiff City are not proud to be Welsh.

But what I am saying is that those Cardiff City fans who are so against the English are either realy realy thick or just hypocrits or possibly both.



Why have I mentioned Welsh Independence.

Well, surely, if these people who want us to be seperate from the UK and England were so passionate about it they wouldnt support Cardiff City would they? surely they would support Bangor City, TNS, Port Talbot Town, Llanelli.

does that mean that if you're against the E.U. you dont want to see your team in the Champions League?

c'mon, dont be an idiot

Genuine quetion

Do you not feel a bit silly supporting a Team that doesnt play in the country it is from.

Adding to that, every week for the past god knows how long you have been going to watch Cardiff City, managed by an Englishman, you have been supporting a team that is predomantly made up of Englishman

Do I feel silly supporting City? In a word no.

Our team is predominantly English and managed by an Englishman? Marshall, McNaughton, Cowie, McPhail, Cowie, Miller, Earnie, Gestede, Conway, Gunnarson, Blake and Quinn would surely disagree and Malky will be leading them in the charge

(Apologies if I've left any other Englishmen out)

stick a dragon on the union jack and we're talking, until then, shut up because that flag only represents england and scotland.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7114248.stm

I always presumed the red was wales, blue scotland and white england??

I am more to the anti-english point than the anti-british view, even though i live in portsmouth, having moved down after uni in gloucestershire. I put up with constant banter/jibes from the english, some agro but mainly banter, but i get hammered cos im on my tod!

I never say im not proud to be british due to the huge respect I have for everyone who served/ serving their country, ensuring the present and the future generations can live a better life. So for those reasons I am anti english!

but like i said, I always thought we were the red on the union jack, so each to the own i guess?

want Welsh Independence.

Genuine quetion

Do you not feel a bit silly supporting a Team that doesnt play in the country it is from.

Surely, if you were so Anti British, Anti England you wouldnt be following a team from your Capital City that every other week travels into the country you are so against to play Football matches.

Adding to that, every week for the past god knows how long you have been going to watch Cardiff City, managed by an Englishman, you have been supporting a team that is predomantly made up of Englishman, playing against teams made up of Englishmen. You have (probably) been to Wembley, the home of English Football, to watch your team play in the Premier Cup Competition of England and if you go to Away games you are going to England every other week!

I am not saying that supporters of Cardiff City are not proud to be Welsh.

But what I am saying is that those Cardiff City fans who are so against the English are either realy realy thick or just hypocrits or possibly both.



Why have I mentioned Welsh Independence.

Well, surely, if these people who want us to be seperate from the UK and England were so passionate about it they wouldnt support Cardiff City would they? surely they would support Bangor City, TNS, Port Talbot Town, Llanelli.

Why do you need to be anti Brit or English, Im Welsh first and believe in a independent Wales but noway Im anti anything so is it the assumption that those of us who are Welsh not British are Anti English.

some of the posts on here have made me laugh
if god forbid wales ever gained full independence, the nationalists would want to totally cut the apron strings to london yet
the nationalists ccfc fans would be thowing their toys out of their prams if the fa asked us to leave the ENGLISH league.
hypocrites
other than the welsh clubs or derry city in the LOI can you name any other teams which play in a league out side their own country ? i bet there arnt many
if we had won the english FA cup the welsh nationalists would hAve been happy to see ccfc representing ENGLAND in europe. don't say that we would have been representing wales because we wouldn't have. that boat sailed when our own WELSH FA shit on us and blocked our entry to europe via the welsh cup (thanks alot evans you prick)
in theory the ENGLISH FA could block our entry to the ENGLISH premier league because we are not part of FA

rant over