" Summary of FSF Cymru meeting with FAW "
Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:24 pm
Summary of Football supporters Federation Wales (FSF Cymru) meeting with FAW
The meeting took place at the FAW offices in Cardiff at 4 pm Wednesday April 13th in attendance from the FSF were Paul Corkrey, Vince Alm and Neil Dymock and from the FAW. Mark Evans, Lynsey Owens (Ticketing), also present was Wayne Palmer from the south Wales police.
This was a routine meeting with questions generally been asked that were sent in from members and people who expressed a view, the following is a summary of the meeting.
Team GB has raised its head again and many Welsh fans are concerned about the possible consequences, once again Mark Evans emphasized the position of the FAW, They do not support this, they will not help with it and they will not insure players to play in it, that is an important point, insurance, many clubs will be very reluctant to release players for this, never mind the FA’S due to the insurance costs. On another point it was asked if someone like Bale or Ramsey chose to play would the FA take sanctions out against them in the future. A firm no was the answer but the players will be asked to consider seriously before agreeing taking part.
Ticket issues surrounding the England game took up a lot of time and Lucy said that she had replied to all e mails that had been sent to her from both Welsh and English fans…there were issues with fans not getting tickets through the kickback scheme, including Porth and Newport who had been particularly unhappy about what had happened…Lucy said that all applications were dealt with in a pro rata basis and the huge take up for the scheme had caught everyone out, many thousands benefited but it was accepted that due to this huge demand some clubs missed out and the FAW regret this and apologise to those clubs but it was down in a non-malicious fashion.
Anyone may e mail the ticketing department if they still feel that they have not had a satisfactory reply.
The fact that fans missed out on tickets and there was a massive segregation area also riled fans and Wayne Palmer explained that this was decided well in advance of the game and the SAG(Safety advisory groups) were more concerned about fans safety and security than adding extra seats, there had been problems with away fans in the past near to the North stand. The other area that appeared empty was a middle section near the corner flag; this was due to 150 supporters not attending who had tickets.
England away tickets were discussed and it is expected that we will get around 7,000 tickets which will ensure all Gold and Silver members will get a ticket (there are over 5,000 members) we mentioned the FA councillors tickets being returned at the Old Trafford game but Mark said this happens now and then and you are talking about only a few tickets and they are always put back on sale.
In the unlikely event of there being spare tickets the FAW may consider offering Gold members the chance of another ticket on their name but that is only one possible option and this will be looked at closer to the time, but they will try to make it as fair as possible whatever is decided.
On a security note for the England game, there is a huge coach park outside the stadium that can accommodate hundreds of coaches; there are good rail links too with a nearby tube station.
Welsh fans were prevented from hanging flags whilst English fans were allowed, Mark Evans put his hands up to this and admitted it was their fault, the stewards were not briefed properly beforehand and this led to them trying to stop fans placing their flags, Mark has promised that this will not happen again and that he personally will be at future pre match meetings with stewards and police at all future home venues.
Welsh Assembly government funding issues were raised and fans have asked why the WRU seem to get far more financial support than the national football team, Mark explained that this is not as big a difference as what it appears and Welsh football gets a lot of support in community initiatives and especially the Welsh football trust, but it was agreed that the FAW need to match the WRU in the work they put in to acquire grant funding. This is something that they are looking at and will be more proactive in the future.
We asked them to explain the benefits of the new centre at Newport and why that City was chosen over other venues especially those in north or mid Wales? It was explained that tenders were put out and the Newport city council pulled all the stops out to get the centre located in the city, the advantages of the M4 corridor will obviously be a plus point and it is hoped the centre will benefit Welsh football for many years to come. It will be a joint venture and the Football Association of Wales, Welsh Football Trust and Newport City Council aim to build the venue.
The centre would develop the under-21, women's and younger age-group squads.
Membership issues and costs have been a constant irritation to the fans and we asked what the plans are for future membership schemes. Lucy suggested that they were looking at a lower price for renewals next year and fans can upgrade to Gold or Silver, the membership price will stay the same for new members and will always remain open until it reaches a level where the member benefits cannot be operated.
The data gathered from the membership scheme and from ticket sales to new customers in the kickback scheme must be put to good use and the FSF have put forward an expert in that field to meet with the marketing department later this month, hopefully progress can be made and marketing opportunities for the FAW can be improved.
One question asked by the fans is the terrible ranking position we find ourselves in and what is being done to improve this, it seems a silly question but Mark said that they were very concerned and plans were in place to get better quality friendly matches in the future, playing teams ranked below us was pointless and the other obvious answer was to help develop new Welsh talent and the Newport centre was part of that plan.
Concerns were raised amongst fans of the club rivalries raising their head at the England match and the fact three coach loads of fans were absent from the game after some problems in the city centre pre match…the FSF had received a letter via the human rights organisation “Liberty” from one of those fans that said he was refused the opportunity to see the game. Wayne said that the police were well aware of possible risk supporters entering the city and were well on top of everything…the fans mentioned were allowed access to a pub and were told that if they split up in to small groups they could continue on to the game but they decided against this and left the city.
Wayne also informed us that despite pre match concerns everyone was very pleased with the event day, over 100,000 fans had come into the capital and there were only 13 arrests in total and 8 of those was for ticket touting (part of an Olympic games police preparation initiative). There were minor scuffles in parts of the stadium but in general it was a good, safe event.
Neil Dymock brought up the Gol initiatives and explained about the fans’ teams and the success they had been in bringing fans together. We have another fans tournament in Dublin next month and once again Carling has been outstanding in sponsoring the event.
Neil mentioned that the charity work had enabled them to arrange trips for 4 Montenegran Orphans to attend the Wales game against Montenegro and he also had plans for more orphans to attend the Welsh cup final, this is not a Gol initiative however but work done in conjunction with Llanelli FC. The FAW said that they would continue to support these ventures and supply signed shirts and raffle prizes to help fund raising.
The Bulgaria match is almost definitely in Sofia but still not confirmed, the last two home games will be played at the Liberty stadium and Cardiff City stadium (details available soon) there are thousands of vouchers sent out to clubs in the kickback scheme offering half price tickets for one of these games.
Dublin prices have been confirmed..
The prices for the remaining Carling Nations Cup games have been confirmed today, 20 euros each for our fans so we will sell at £18.00 each.
We’d hoped there would be a concession for juniors for the May games but unfortunately there isn’t. It’s only for the ROI fans buying via general sale.
The FAW will get application forms sent out to Gold and Silver members in the next week or so, may take longer with the bank holidays
Road shows will continue with Jonathan Ford visiting many areas over the next few months.
We handed in some correspondence to Lucy, some good and some bad regarding the England tickets and the feedback will be taken into consideration…we then ended the meeting in agreement that it would be a good idea if more fans attended these regular meetings maybe from the other areas of Wales, anyone is welcome to come along but please e mail Mark Evans in advance.
The meeting took place at the FAW offices in Cardiff at 4 pm Wednesday April 13th in attendance from the FSF were Paul Corkrey, Vince Alm and Neil Dymock and from the FAW. Mark Evans, Lynsey Owens (Ticketing), also present was Wayne Palmer from the south Wales police.
This was a routine meeting with questions generally been asked that were sent in from members and people who expressed a view, the following is a summary of the meeting.
Team GB has raised its head again and many Welsh fans are concerned about the possible consequences, once again Mark Evans emphasized the position of the FAW, They do not support this, they will not help with it and they will not insure players to play in it, that is an important point, insurance, many clubs will be very reluctant to release players for this, never mind the FA’S due to the insurance costs. On another point it was asked if someone like Bale or Ramsey chose to play would the FA take sanctions out against them in the future. A firm no was the answer but the players will be asked to consider seriously before agreeing taking part.
Ticket issues surrounding the England game took up a lot of time and Lucy said that she had replied to all e mails that had been sent to her from both Welsh and English fans…there were issues with fans not getting tickets through the kickback scheme, including Porth and Newport who had been particularly unhappy about what had happened…Lucy said that all applications were dealt with in a pro rata basis and the huge take up for the scheme had caught everyone out, many thousands benefited but it was accepted that due to this huge demand some clubs missed out and the FAW regret this and apologise to those clubs but it was down in a non-malicious fashion.
Anyone may e mail the ticketing department if they still feel that they have not had a satisfactory reply.
The fact that fans missed out on tickets and there was a massive segregation area also riled fans and Wayne Palmer explained that this was decided well in advance of the game and the SAG(Safety advisory groups) were more concerned about fans safety and security than adding extra seats, there had been problems with away fans in the past near to the North stand. The other area that appeared empty was a middle section near the corner flag; this was due to 150 supporters not attending who had tickets.
England away tickets were discussed and it is expected that we will get around 7,000 tickets which will ensure all Gold and Silver members will get a ticket (there are over 5,000 members) we mentioned the FA councillors tickets being returned at the Old Trafford game but Mark said this happens now and then and you are talking about only a few tickets and they are always put back on sale.
In the unlikely event of there being spare tickets the FAW may consider offering Gold members the chance of another ticket on their name but that is only one possible option and this will be looked at closer to the time, but they will try to make it as fair as possible whatever is decided.
On a security note for the England game, there is a huge coach park outside the stadium that can accommodate hundreds of coaches; there are good rail links too with a nearby tube station.
Welsh fans were prevented from hanging flags whilst English fans were allowed, Mark Evans put his hands up to this and admitted it was their fault, the stewards were not briefed properly beforehand and this led to them trying to stop fans placing their flags, Mark has promised that this will not happen again and that he personally will be at future pre match meetings with stewards and police at all future home venues.
Welsh Assembly government funding issues were raised and fans have asked why the WRU seem to get far more financial support than the national football team, Mark explained that this is not as big a difference as what it appears and Welsh football gets a lot of support in community initiatives and especially the Welsh football trust, but it was agreed that the FAW need to match the WRU in the work they put in to acquire grant funding. This is something that they are looking at and will be more proactive in the future.
We asked them to explain the benefits of the new centre at Newport and why that City was chosen over other venues especially those in north or mid Wales? It was explained that tenders were put out and the Newport city council pulled all the stops out to get the centre located in the city, the advantages of the M4 corridor will obviously be a plus point and it is hoped the centre will benefit Welsh football for many years to come. It will be a joint venture and the Football Association of Wales, Welsh Football Trust and Newport City Council aim to build the venue.
The centre would develop the under-21, women's and younger age-group squads.
Membership issues and costs have been a constant irritation to the fans and we asked what the plans are for future membership schemes. Lucy suggested that they were looking at a lower price for renewals next year and fans can upgrade to Gold or Silver, the membership price will stay the same for new members and will always remain open until it reaches a level where the member benefits cannot be operated.
The data gathered from the membership scheme and from ticket sales to new customers in the kickback scheme must be put to good use and the FSF have put forward an expert in that field to meet with the marketing department later this month, hopefully progress can be made and marketing opportunities for the FAW can be improved.
One question asked by the fans is the terrible ranking position we find ourselves in and what is being done to improve this, it seems a silly question but Mark said that they were very concerned and plans were in place to get better quality friendly matches in the future, playing teams ranked below us was pointless and the other obvious answer was to help develop new Welsh talent and the Newport centre was part of that plan.
Concerns were raised amongst fans of the club rivalries raising their head at the England match and the fact three coach loads of fans were absent from the game after some problems in the city centre pre match…the FSF had received a letter via the human rights organisation “Liberty” from one of those fans that said he was refused the opportunity to see the game. Wayne said that the police were well aware of possible risk supporters entering the city and were well on top of everything…the fans mentioned were allowed access to a pub and were told that if they split up in to small groups they could continue on to the game but they decided against this and left the city.
Wayne also informed us that despite pre match concerns everyone was very pleased with the event day, over 100,000 fans had come into the capital and there were only 13 arrests in total and 8 of those was for ticket touting (part of an Olympic games police preparation initiative). There were minor scuffles in parts of the stadium but in general it was a good, safe event.
Neil Dymock brought up the Gol initiatives and explained about the fans’ teams and the success they had been in bringing fans together. We have another fans tournament in Dublin next month and once again Carling has been outstanding in sponsoring the event.
Neil mentioned that the charity work had enabled them to arrange trips for 4 Montenegran Orphans to attend the Wales game against Montenegro and he also had plans for more orphans to attend the Welsh cup final, this is not a Gol initiative however but work done in conjunction with Llanelli FC. The FAW said that they would continue to support these ventures and supply signed shirts and raffle prizes to help fund raising.
The Bulgaria match is almost definitely in Sofia but still not confirmed, the last two home games will be played at the Liberty stadium and Cardiff City stadium (details available soon) there are thousands of vouchers sent out to clubs in the kickback scheme offering half price tickets for one of these games.
Dublin prices have been confirmed..
The prices for the remaining Carling Nations Cup games have been confirmed today, 20 euros each for our fans so we will sell at £18.00 each.
We’d hoped there would be a concession for juniors for the May games but unfortunately there isn’t. It’s only for the ROI fans buying via general sale.
The FAW will get application forms sent out to Gold and Silver members in the next week or so, may take longer with the bank holidays
Road shows will continue with Jonathan Ford visiting many areas over the next few months.
We handed in some correspondence to Lucy, some good and some bad regarding the England tickets and the feedback will be taken into consideration…we then ended the meeting in agreement that it would be a good idea if more fans attended these regular meetings maybe from the other areas of Wales, anyone is welcome to come along but please e mail Mark Evans in advance.
Re: Summary of FSF Cymru meeting with FAW
Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:46 pm
Why should Gold members pay £10 more and then silver members have the same away privilege for tickets?
I thought gold members were entitled to home and away tickets and silver members were entitled to home tickets?
I thought gold members were entitled to home and away tickets and silver members were entitled to home tickets?
Re: Summary of FSF Cymru meeting with FAW
Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:07 pm
I love these threads they are so informative, although I always wonder where you find the time to attend all these different meetings.
Good stuff.
Good stuff.
Re: Summary of FSF Cymru meeting with FAW
Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:09 pm
Why should Gold members pay £10 more and then silver members have the same away privilege for tickets?
I thought gold members were entitled to home and away tickets and silver members were entitled to home tickets?
Well initially the Gold membership could have topped 7,000 and then when England tickets became available none would have been left for silver...
I thought gold members were entitled to home and away tickets and silver members were entitled to home tickets?
Well initially the Gold membership could have topped 7,000 and then when England tickets became available none would have been left for silver...
Re: Summary of FSF Cymru meeting with FAW
Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:12 pm
Corkey,
Out of interest, are you the Cardiff City representative, or the Welsh representative on FSF?
Out of interest, are you the Cardiff City representative, or the Welsh representative on FSF?
Re: Summary of FSF Cymru meeting with FAW
Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:18 pm
FSF Cymru at these meetings mate...I am the co opted national council member of the FSF and Vince is a fully elected executive member of the FSF...
SEE WEBSITE
http://www.fsf.org.uk/cymru/index.php
http://www.fsf.org.uk
SEE WEBSITE
http://www.fsf.org.uk/cymru/index.php
http://www.fsf.org.uk
Re: Summary of FSF Cymru meeting with FAW
Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:21 pm
corky wrote:FSF Cymru at these meetings mate...I am the co opted national council member of the FSF and Vince is a fully elected executive member of the FSF...
SEE WEBSITE
http://www.fsf.org.uk
Then can I ask why you only ever seem to post feedback like this on Cardiff City messageboards? Not trying to score points here but when representing Welsh fans rather than just Cardiff fans, shouldn't you post this info on Swansea, Newport and Wrexham boards as well?
Re: Summary of FSF Cymru meeting with FAW
Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:25 pm
NJ73 wrote:corky wrote:FSF Cymru at these meetings mate...I am the co opted national council member of the FSF and Vince is a fully elected executive member of the FSF...
SEE WEBSITE
http://www.fsf.org.uk
Then can I ask why you only ever seem to post feedback like this on Cardiff City messageboards? Not trying to score points here but when representing Welsh fans rather than just Cardiff fans, shouldn't you post this info on Swansea, Newport and Wrexham boards as well?
Tell you what if you feel that strongly why don't you do it
Not trying to score points FFS
Re: Summary of FSF Cymru meeting with FAW
Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:27 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:NJ73 wrote:corky wrote:FSF Cymru at these meetings mate...I am the co opted national council member of the FSF and Vince is a fully elected executive member of the FSF...
SEE WEBSITE
http://www.fsf.org.uk
Then can I ask why you only ever seem to post feedback like this on Cardiff City messageboards? Not trying to score points here but when representing Welsh fans rather than just Cardiff fans, shouldn't you post this info on Swansea, Newport and Wrexham boards as well?
Tell you what if you feel that strongly why don't you do it
Not trying to score points FFS
Welcome to an adult conversation. Well, it was.
Can you please point out which part of my question is unreasonable/point scoring?
Re: Summary of FSF Cymru meeting with FAW
Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:35 pm
Well I could do but I am banned off Planet Swans but I put it on the main Yahoo group for Welsh fans and the new Welsh fans message board forum...usually then fans from all clubs can put it on their web sites....It would be hard for me to put it on all Welsh club websites there are more than 100...I put it on the Cardiff websites because I am registered on them. I will try to access more Welsh league websites.We would welcome more members from Swansea to be honest, if you are a Swansea/Wrexham or Newport fan would you like to come on board? Serious question that is, or if you know anyone please PM me.
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Re: Summary of FSF Cymru meeting with FAW
Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:37 pm
did they discuss plans for improving the welsh leagues? cause is understand they have plans
Re: Summary of FSF Cymru meeting with FAW
Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:40 pm
did they discuss plans for improving the welsh leagues? cause is understand they have plans
Not in this meeting but the CEO of Welsh football Jonathan Ford is travelling through out Wales to talk about this very matter at open forums..the next one is actually taking place tonight in Neath
http://www.faw.org.uk/news/2142
Not in this meeting but the CEO of Welsh football Jonathan Ford is travelling through out Wales to talk about this very matter at open forums..the next one is actually taking place tonight in Neath
http://www.faw.org.uk/news/2142
Re: Summary of FSF Cymru meeting with FAW
Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:40 pm
http://www.fsf.org.uk[/quote]
Then can I ask why you only ever seem to post feedback like this on Cardiff City messageboards? Not trying to score points here but when representing Welsh fans rather than just Cardiff fans, shouldn't you post this info on Swansea, Newport and Wrexham boards as well?[/quote]
Tell you what if you feel that strongly why don't you do it
Not trying to score points FFS[/quote]
Welcome to an adult conversation. Well, it was.
Can you please point out which part of my question is unreasonable/point scoring?[/quote]
I thought it was a fair question and one that deserves an answer
Then can I ask why you only ever seem to post feedback like this on Cardiff City messageboards? Not trying to score points here but when representing Welsh fans rather than just Cardiff fans, shouldn't you post this info on Swansea, Newport and Wrexham boards as well?[/quote]
Tell you what if you feel that strongly why don't you do it
Not trying to score points FFS[/quote]
Welcome to an adult conversation. Well, it was.
Can you please point out which part of my question is unreasonable/point scoring?[/quote]
I thought it was a fair question and one that deserves an answer
Re: Summary of FSF Cymru meeting with FAW
Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:41 pm
corky wrote:did they discuss plans for improving the welsh leagues? cause is understand they have plans
Not in this meeting but the CEO of Welsh football Jonathan Ford is travelling through out Wales to talk about this very matter at open forums..the next one is actually taking place tonight in Neath
http://www.faw.org.uk/news/2142
its something i suppose, the league needs a thorough shake up
Re: Summary of FSF Cymru meeting with FAW
Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:41 pm
corky wrote:Well I could do but I am banned off Planet Swans but I put it on the main Yahoo group for Welsh fans and the new Welsh fans message board forum...usually then fans from all clubs can put it on their web sites....It would be hard for me to put it on all Welsh club websites there are more than 100...I put it on the Cardiff websites because I am registered on them. I will try to access more Welsh league websites.We would welcome more members from Swansea to be honest, if you are a Swansea fan would you like to come on board? Serious question that is, or if you know anyone please PM me.
Fair enough, although I'm sure Phil Sumbler of PS would be more than happy for feedback such as this to be posted. How about setting up a round robin email to the site owners thereby giving them the feedback and the responsibility of putting it up on their particular site?
I'm sure fans of clubs other than Cardiff City would be interested in this feedback and that would be a way of you not having to register with each site and post on every one.
I can't say it's something that particularly appeals to me to be honest but again, if you contact Phil Sumbler, I'm sure he'd knock an article up on PS requesting representation.
Re: Summary of FSF Cymru meeting with FAW
Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:45 pm
NJ73 wrote:
Welcome to an adult conversation. Well, it was.
Can you please point out which part of my question is unreasonable/point scoring?
Your whole presence on a CCFC board is about points scoring, because you certainly aren’t here to express your love for Cardiff City (unless you would like to correct me?).
Corky would get slated on Planet Mardi Gras or any other Welsh club site MB because tribal rivalries would count for more than Welsh unity as you have perfectly demonstrated.
In contrast Corky can post here as a courtesy without fear of being harassed (lost sad Jacks aside)
Your question was stupid as well you know but then to portray yourself as an innocent victim once challenged is the action of a pathetic waster with nothing better to do, unless of course you want to post the info for him?
Re: Summary of FSF Cymru meeting with FAW
Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:47 pm
Very interesting post. Thanks for taking the time.
cheers
cheers
Re: Summary of FSF Cymru meeting with FAW
Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:48 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:NJ73 wrote:
Welcome to an adult conversation. Well, it was.
Can you please point out which part of my question is unreasonable/point scoring?
Your whole presence on a CCFC board is about points scoring, because you certainly aren’t here to express your love for Cardiff City (unless you would like to correct me?).
Corky would get slated on Planet Mardi Gras or any other Welsh club site MB because tribal rivalries would count for more than Welsh unity as you have perfectly demonstrated.
In contrast Corky can post here as a courtesy without fear of being harassed (lost sad Jacks aside)
Your question was stupid as well you know but then to portray yourself as an innocent victim once challenged is the action of a pathetic waster with nothing better to do, unless of course you want to post the info for him?
If it's ok with you I'll continue the decent conversation with Corky and ignore your abusive comments and childish posts.
Re: Summary of FSF Cymru meeting with FAW
Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:02 pm
It will be up on the FSF Cymru section of the FSF website so that every FSF member can have access to it..
http://www.fsf.org.uk/cymru/index.php
http://www.fsf.org.uk/cymru/index.php
Re: Summary of FSF Cymru meeting with FAW
Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:05 pm
corky wrote:It will be up on the FSF Cymru section of the FSF website so that every FSF member can have access to it..
http://www.fsf.org.uk/cymru/index.php
So you don't think emailing the various site holders with the info or a link the the FSF site when there is feedback of this kind is a reasonable proposition?
Re: Summary of FSF Cymru meeting with FAW
Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:37 pm
Well the FSF is a member organisation and I am an officer elected by the members, my responsibility is to all the members and when this summary is put on the FSF website all members will have access to it..but I also try to let other non FSF members have the information as well through the main Welsh supporters group website and the ones I am registered to.
So you don't think emailing the various site holders with the info or a link the the FSF site when there is feedback of this kind is a reasonable proposition?
it is not practical or fair, if I was to miss one out what would happen then? No the best way is through the FSF website.
So you don't think emailing the various site holders with the info or a link the the FSF site when there is feedback of this kind is a reasonable proposition?
it is not practical or fair, if I was to miss one out what would happen then? No the best way is through the FSF website.
Re: Summary of FSF Cymru meeting with FAW
Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:40 pm
corky wrote:Well the FSF is a member organisation and I am an officer elected by the members, my responsibility is to all the members and when this summary is put on the FSF website all members will have access to it..but I also try to let other non FSF members have the information as well through the main Welsh supporters group website and the ones I am registered to.
So you don't think emailing the various site holders with the info or a link the the FSF site when there is feedback of this kind is a reasonable proposition?
it is not practical or fair, if I was to miss one out what would happen then? No the best way is through the FSF website.
So on the off chance you miss one out it's better to miss them all out apart from Cardiff? Strange logic.
Btw, what was your username on PS?
Re: Summary of FSF Cymru meeting with FAW
Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:45 pm
So on the off chance you miss one out it's better to miss them all out apart from Cardiff? Strange logic.
I believe I have answered your questions in a fair way...I will not repeat myself....I can't remember the user name I had but its personal anyway and not a question I need to answer? Put it this way you come on as NJ97 and ask me questions which I try to answer and you are totally anonymous.
I believe I have answered your questions in a fair way...I will not repeat myself....I can't remember the user name I had but its personal anyway and not a question I need to answer? Put it this way you come on as NJ97 and ask me questions which I try to answer and you are totally anonymous.
Re: Summary of FSF Cymru meeting with FAW
Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:50 pm
corky wrote:So on the off chance you miss one out it's better to miss them all out apart from Cardiff? Strange logic.
I believe I have answered your questions in a fair way...I will not repeat myself....I can't remember the user name I had but its personal anyway and not a question I need to answer? Put it this way you come on as NJ97 and ask me questions which I try to answer and you are totally anonymous.
Bloody hell, no need to get so defensive. I was simply going to get you unbanned so you had no excuse not to post this on PS.
And if you think that posting the feedback to Cardiff fans and letting everyone else find out for themselves on the off chance they look on the fsf site and not even being prepared to contact the Swans site admin for it to be posted there is fair and reasonable, then that's up to you. But in my book you're not being representative of all Welsh fans.
Re: Summary of FSF Cymru meeting with FAW
Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:52 pm
Ok I will try one last time to make you understand...please read carefully
We attend FAW meetings on behalf of our membership...
Ok we then summarise our meetings and put them on our website and then inform all FSF members by sending them a link to the report...
That means all the fans that we represent get the information....we do not represent ALL Welsh fans only those that elected us...
all Welsh fans have free access to the information and are welcome to attend a meeting with the FAW whenever practicable...we make the effort to arrange meeting so that our members get updated and can get their views heard..every person in England and Wales can join the FSF free of charge and in fact can vote me off...it is a democratic organisation for the fans by the fans...
I do try though to spread the information through all sites that I am registered on including the relevant national Welsh supporters group sites..that is my own prerogative that I like to do in my own time in the hope that more fans join up to the football supporters federation.
I really waste a lot of time sometimes arguing points that are not that difficult to understand.
We attend FAW meetings on behalf of our membership...
Ok we then summarise our meetings and put them on our website and then inform all FSF members by sending them a link to the report...
That means all the fans that we represent get the information....we do not represent ALL Welsh fans only those that elected us...
all Welsh fans have free access to the information and are welcome to attend a meeting with the FAW whenever practicable...we make the effort to arrange meeting so that our members get updated and can get their views heard..every person in England and Wales can join the FSF free of charge and in fact can vote me off...it is a democratic organisation for the fans by the fans...
I do try though to spread the information through all sites that I am registered on including the relevant national Welsh supporters group sites..that is my own prerogative that I like to do in my own time in the hope that more fans join up to the football supporters federation.
I really waste a lot of time sometimes arguing points that are not that difficult to understand.
Re: Summary of FSF Cymru meeting with FAW
Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:59 pm
corky he/she wont get it just give up 
Re: Summary of FSF Cymru meeting with FAW
Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:02 pm
corky wrote:Ok I will try one last time to make you understand...please read carefully
We attend FAW meetings on behalf of our membership...
Ok we then summarise our meetings and put them on our website and then inform all FSF members by sending them a link to the report...
That means all the fans that we represent get the information....we do not represent ALL Welsh fans only those that elected us...
all Welsh fans have free access to the information and are welcome to attend a meeting with the FAW whenever practicable...we make the effort to arrange meeting so that our members get updated and can get their views heard..every person in England and Wales can join the FSF free of charge and in fact can vote me off...it is a democratic organisation for the fans by the fans...
I do try though to spread the information through all sites that I am registered on including the relevant national Welsh supporters group sites..that is my own prerogative that I like to do in my own time in the hope that more fans join up to the football supporters federation.
I really waste a lot of time sometimes arguing points that are not that difficult to understand.
You seem to think that I don't understand. I understand perfectly. You are happy to post the info on Cardiff boards to people who mostly wouldn't be FSF members but can't be arsed to contact the Swansea site admin in order to get the information on that site.
May I politely ask why?
Re: Summary of FSF Cymru meeting with FAW
Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:02 pm
NJ why are you nit picking? 
Re: Summary of FSF Cymru meeting with FAW
Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:05 pm
Bridgend_bluebird wrote:NJ why are you nit picking?
I'm not nit picking, just pointing out the inconsistency which disfavours Swansea fans who may not be aware of the feedback or even the organisation. How difficult would it be for the Welsh representative to contact the Swansea site admin and get the message across to thousands of fellow Welsh football supporters?
Re: Summary of FSF Cymru meeting with FAW
Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:06 pm
NJ73 wrote:Bridgend_bluebird wrote:NJ why are you nit picking?
I'm not nit picking, just pointing out the inconsistency which disfavours Swansea fans who may not be aware of the feedback or even the organisation. How difficult would it be for the Welsh representative to contact the Swansea site admin and get the message across to thousands of fellow Welsh football supporters?
then why dont you post it? corky already said he was banned from that shite site. Be the ambassador