" WHO IS WORSE ? "

" WHO IS WORSE ? "

A Car driver without a Driving License and No Insurance ? He gets £100 Fine and £15 Costs and 6pts (in Tonights Echo).

A Car Driver Drink Driving ? He gets a 12 month Ban and £525 Fine.


A Nonce from London who down loads children's porn and sells it on ? He gets a Suspended Sentence .

A Cardiff City Football Fan who jumps up and down at a like minded Chelsea Fan, and No one is injured or complains ? He gets 8 to 18 Months in Prison and 6 to 10 years Football Ban and has to hand his Passport in every time Wales play and sign at the Police station.

The current Justice system is a load of bull Annis, Everyone knows that. Someone really needs to sit down, and go through it and have a rethink because right now, the people who are worst off are the people who pay taxes every week/month in their pay packet. They are the people who keep the economy growing.

Sending someone to prision for throwing a cone in a street, will cost this country around £1500/£1700 a month in costs. Where as if they were on the street, looking for work with just a ticking off and a fine, they'd be bringing in £150 a month in taxes. It's all just a donimo effect in the courts these days, and the government don't really give two hoots.

The current Justice system is a load of bull Annis, Everyone knows that. Someone really needs to sit down, and go through it and have a rethink because right now, the people who are worst off are the people who pay taxes every week/month in their pay packet. They are the people who keep the economy growing.

Sending someone to prision for throwing a cone in a street, will cost this country around £1500/£1700 a month in costs. Where as if they were on the street, looking for work with just a ticking off and a fine, they'd be bringing in £150 a month in taxes. It's all just a donimo effect in the courts these days, and the government don't really give two hoots.

I Totally agree,I think its Thousands of £'s a week to keep someone in prison.

annis you know as most of us on here knows.... the law in this country is a bloody joke.

annis you know as most of us on here knows.... the law in this country is a bloody joke.

But Sadly its getting Worse .

[quote="Forever Blue"]" WHO IS WORSE ? "

A Car driver without a Driving License and No Insurance ? He gets £100 Fine and £15 Costs and 6pts (in Tonights Echo).
The costs should be higher, but you will find if the same offender has caused an accident with an injury or fatality the punishment would be alot worse.

A Car Driver Drink Driving ? He gets a 12 month Ban and £525 Fine. GOOD! but the Ban is nowhere near long enough to prevent the culprit from re-offending!


A Nonce from London who down loads children's porn and sells it on ? He gets a Suspended Sentence . - SHOCKING! Say no more - a great example of the UK's poor judicial system!

A Cardiff City Football Fan who jumps up and down at a like minded Chelsea Fan, and No one is injured or complains ? He gets 8 to 18 Months in Prison and 6 to 10 years Football Ban and has to hand his Passport in every time Wales play and sign at the Police station.

everyone knows what happens with this situation. SO use your heads and avoid it! any kind of violence or provocation at football is not on, especially when there are women and young children involved or in the vacinity

Those are MY OPINIONS.

the lads who have been banged up is an absolute joke. most of the ruling in this country is awful. you get fined for such minor things, complete and utter joke. suprised we haven't been fined for standing at matches.

Vote me as prime minister and id sort this mess of a country out!! oh shite im not in a party....BNP? people like them right?

" WHO IS WORSE ? "

A Car driver without a Driving License and No Insurance ? He gets £100 Fine and £15 Costs and 6pts (in Tonights Echo).

A Car Driver Drink Driving ? He gets a 12 month Ban and £525 Fine.


A Nonce from London who down loads children's porn and sells it on ? He gets a Suspended Sentence .

A Cardiff City Football Fan who jumps up and down at a like minded Chelsea Fan, and No one is injured or complains ? He gets 8 to 18 Months in Prison and 6 to 10 years Football Ban and has to hand his Passport in every time Wales play and sign at the Police station.

Think you should write a book about it

Vote me as prime minister and id sort this mess of a country out!! oh shite im not in a party....BNP? people like them right?

you may laugh at the BNP but they are a growing party. one year they had 500,000 members which isn't that great but the following voting year they had a million votes. i think a lot of people are for the BNP but they think their vote will be more useful when voting for labour or conservative etc.
think a lot of people are getting fed up with the imigrant population in britain.
ask annis about the chat he had on the way to forest about it all
(for the record i voted labour )

Vote me as prime minister and id sort this mess of a country out!! oh shite im not in a party....BNP? people like them right?

you may laugh at the BNP but they are a growing party. one year they had 500,000 members which isn't that great but the following voting year they had a million votes. i think a lot of people are for the BNP but they think their vote will be more useful when voting for labour or conservative etc.
think a lot of people are getting fed up with the imigrant population in britain.
ask annis about the chat he had on the way to forest about it all
(for the record i voted labour )

if i get slated i dont care. THE BNP ARE f*cking NAZIS, LABOUR ARE CAPABLE OF PUTTING A CAP ON IMMIGRANTS.

A vote me, is a vote world dom..dom errmmm world peace?

Drink drivers should have the book thrown at them but I don't understand how people with no licence or insurance get away with it.

Drink drivers should have the book thrown at them but I don't understand how people with no licence or insurance get away with it.

people with no insurance shouldnt get done....i would say fine, you pay for all damages you may cause.

Drink drivers should have the book thrown at them but I don't understand how people with no licence or insurance get away with it.

people with no insurance shouldnt get done....i would say fine, you pay for all damages you may cause.

What if knock someone down and kill them? My that then murder without insurance?

Drink drivers should have the book thrown at them but I don't understand how people with no licence or insurance get away with it.

people with no insurance shouldnt get done....i would say fine, you pay for all damages you may cause.

What if knock someone down and kill them? My that then murder without insurance?

i just see it as murder or man slaughter depending on how it happened.

Drink drivers should have the book thrown at them but I don't understand how people with no licence or insurance get away with it.

people with no insurance shouldnt get done....i would say fine, you pay for all damages you may cause.

Ex-missus (still friends) got hit by an unissured driver a feww weeks back on the way to work. She got out of the car, and only recently bought it, told the man who hit her that she wanted his details, he turned around and said, and I quote "No point love, don't have any insurence"... And theres f**k all she could do about it because it turned out he didn't have an perminant address so she couldn't chase it up.

Drink drivers should have the book thrown at them but I don't understand how people with no licence or insurance get away with it.

people with no insurance shouldnt get done....i would say fine, you pay for all damages you may cause.

Ex-missus (still friends) got hit by an unissured driver a feww weeks back on the way to work. She got out of the car, and only recently bought it, told the man who hit her that she wanted his details, he turned around and said, and I quote "No point love, don't have any insurence"... And theres f**k all she could do about it because it turned out he didn't have an perminant address so she couldn't chase it up.

ooooooh right, ok change my point im not a driver and dont know much about it cause it done interest me fair nuff though

Drink drivers should have the book thrown at them but I don't understand how people with no licence or insurance get away with it.

exactly, the ruling is awful.
the BNP aren't nazis. everyone has their own opninions and tbh there probably are a few nazi sort of people but most of them are people who don't care what others think and want to fight and save the country from being even more overun with imigrants...which to me sounds fair.

Drink drivers should have the book thrown at them but I don't understand how people with no licence or insurance get away with it.

exactly, the ruling is awful.
the BNP aren't nazis. everyone has their own opninions and tbh there probably are a few nazi sort of people but most of them are people who don't care what others think and want to fight and save the country from being even more overun with imigrants...which to me sounds fair.

we wont be over run by immigrants..we'll go to their home country, take their oil and send them packing!

as said before, this country is a shambles, the law is made up as we go along,,,,,, what more can you do than laugh, at this country

the lads who have been banged up is an absolute joke. most of the ruling in this country is awful. you get fined for such minor things, complete and utter joke. suprised we haven't been fined for standing at matches.

You can get thrown out,and / or get a ban

as said before, this country is a shambles, the law is made up as we go along,,,,,, what more can you do than laugh, at this country

protest...funny enough thats what the younger generation is doing!!!

as said before, this country is a shambles, the law is made up as we go along,,,,,, what more can you do than laugh, at this country

it's a joke exactly. the government need to step it up and sort the country out!

as said before, this country is a shambles, the law is made up as we go along,,,,,, what more can you do than laugh, at this country

it's a joke exactly. the government need to step it up and sort the country out!

the government is run by the tories (lib dems are to busy licking the shit of camerons arse!) , so all the raised taxes and VAT increase (which IMO they were right to increase) will go to their pockets then they will urge private companies to pay for public projects etc, and promise to pay back in bout 10 years when labour will be back in power then we will have a big debt again.

Oh to be a Brit!

whats the point in voting, labour, or the cons, does it really matter who gets in? no there all the same,,,,, there all on the gravy train,,,,, second morgages, gardeners, maids, all paid for by us, the tax payer, f*cking second morgages, dont f*cking start me on this, total bollox, why do they call them parties, f**k the lot of them,

" WHO IS WORSE ? "

A Car driver without a Driving License and No Insurance ? He gets £100 Fine and £15 Costs and 6pts (in Tonights Echo).

A Car Driver Drink Driving ? He gets a 12 month Ban and £525 Fine.


A Nonce from London who down loads children's porn and sells it on ? He gets a Suspended Sentence .

A Cardiff City Football Fan who jumps up and down at a like minded Chelsea Fan, and No one is injured or complains ? He gets 8 to 18 Months in Prison and 6 to 10 years Football Ban and has to hand his Passport in every time Wales play and sign at the Police station.

In my view anyone driving without a licence or insurance should get a hefty fine (more than the £100 you mention) forced to attend and pass a driving test within a set period of say 6 months and have the 6pts on their licence so they have to drive carefully or risk running up more points and losing the licence again. Anyone convicted a 2nd time should be fined even more and any 3rd time offender jailed as they are obviously too stupid or cocky to learn.

My view on drink drivers is coloured by the fact that a close friend of mine had his father killed by a drunk driver. The idiots who do it don`t realise or care that they are in control of a lethal weapon , which is what a car is in the wrong hands.They should be fined heavily and have a 12 month ban for first offence if only slightly over the limit and jailed if well over the limit or for a second offence.

As a father and grandfather , I believe anyone involved in any offence against children should be jailed and anyone involved in physical/sexual abuse against children should be chemically castrated.


As for your football fan example , this debate has revealed extreme views on both sides. Personally , I think many of the sentences handed out were very harsh for some of the more minor offences. Perhaps some community service and a shorter banning order period would be more appropriate. For those that say all they did was jump up and down , maybe a compulsory attendance at Morris Dancing lessons would make them realise how silly they look .For second or serial offenders though , aren`t jail sentences appropriate though as they are well aware of how hard (rightly or wrongly)the law is cracking down on hooliganism but haven`t learnt the lesson and still offend?


Keith

" WHO IS WORSE ? "

A Car driver without a Driving License and No Insurance ? He gets £100 Fine and £15 Costs and 6pts (in Tonights Echo).

A Car Driver Drink Driving ? He gets a 12 month Ban and £525 Fine.


A Nonce from London who down loads children's porn and sells it on ? He gets a Suspended Sentence .

A Cardiff City Football Fan who jumps up and down at a like minded Chelsea Fan, and No one is injured or complains ? He gets 8 to 18 Months in Prison and 6 to 10 years Football Ban and has to hand his Passport in every time Wales play and sign at the Police station.

In my view anyone driving without a licence or insurance should get a hefty fine (more than the £100 you mention) forced to attend and pass a driving test within a set period of say 6 months and have the 6pts on their licence so they have to drive carefully or risk running up more points and losing the licence again. Anyone convicted a 2nd time should be fined even more and any 3rd time offender jailed as they are obviously too stupid or cocky to learn.

My view on drink drivers is coloured by the fact that a close friend of mine had his father killed by a drunk driver. The idiots who do it don`t realise or care that they are in control of a lethal weapon , which is what a car is in the wrong hands.They should be fined heavily and have a 12 month ban for first offence if only slightly over the limit and jailed if well over the limit or for a second offence.

As a father and grandfather , I believe anyone involved in any offence against children should be jailed and anyone involved in physical/sexual abuse against children should be chemically castrated.


As for your football fan example , this debate has revealed extreme views on both sides. Personally , I think many of the sentences handed out were very harsh for some of the more minor offences. Perhaps some community service and a shorter banning order period would be more appropriate. For those that say all they did was jump up and down , maybe a compulsory attendance at Morris Dancing lessons would make them realise how silly they look .For second or serial offenders though , aren`t jail sentences appropriate though as they are well aware of how hard (rightly or wrongly)the law is cracking down on hooliganism but haven`t learnt the lesson and still offend?


Keith

spot on.

" WHO IS WORSE ? "

A Car driver without a Driving License and No Insurance ? He gets £100 Fine and £15 Costs and 6pts (in Tonights Echo).

A Car Driver Drink Driving ? He gets a 12 month Ban and £525 Fine.


A Nonce from London who down loads children's porn and sells it on ? He gets a Suspended Sentence .

A Cardiff City Football Fan who jumps up and down at a like minded Chelsea Fan, and No one is injured or complains ? He gets 8 to 18 Months in Prison and 6 to 10 years Football Ban and has to hand his Passport in every time Wales play and sign at the Police station.

Yes, Annis, you make a great point here....unbalanced sentencing indeed!!

A lot can depend on the 'where' the Court is' or even 'what the political will' at that time is'

It's dreadful and it is morally corrupt....and they wonder why people have no faith in 'the system' eh??

For personal reasons (I was left for dead by a drink driver in a hit and run many years ago) anyone who KNOWINGLY drinks and drives should have their licence revoked FOREVER....

Hanging would be TOO GOOD for the child pornographer....they should be jailed and NEVER released. Or better still, send them to The Liberty Stadium where they could rot in a living Hell!!!!

Drink drivers should have the book thrown at them but I don't understand how people with no licence or insurance get away with it.

Luke, £100 fine,I thought it was a miss print, They should go to prison and the Drink driver, if a Football fan does.

" WHO IS WORSE ? "

A Car driver without a Driving License and No Insurance ? He gets £100 Fine and £15 Costs and 6pts (in Tonights Echo).

A Car Driver Drink Driving ? He gets a 12 month Ban and £525 Fine.


A Nonce from London who down loads children's porn and sells it on ? He gets a Suspended Sentence .

A Cardiff City Football Fan who jumps up and down at a like minded Chelsea Fan, and No one is injured or complains ? He gets 8 to 18 Months in Prison and 6 to 10 years Football Ban and has to hand his Passport in every time Wales play and sign at the Police station.

In my view anyone driving without a licence or insurance should get a hefty fine (more than the £100 you mention) forced to attend and pass a driving test within a set period of say 6 months and have the 6pts on their licence so they have to drive carefully or risk running up more points and losing the licence again. Anyone convicted a 2nd time should be fined even more and any 3rd time offender jailed as they are obviously too stupid or cocky to learn.

My view on drink drivers is coloured by the fact that a close friend of mine had his father killed by a drunk driver. The idiots who do it don`t realise or care that they are in control of a lethal weapon , which is what a car is in the wrong hands.They should be fined heavily and have a 12 month ban for first offence if only slightly over the limit and jailed if well over the limit or for a second offence.

As a father and grandfather , I believe anyone involved in any offence against children should be jailed and anyone involved in physical/sexual abuse against children should be chemically castrated.


As for your football fan example , this debate has revealed extreme views on both sides. Personally , I think many of the sentences handed out were very harsh for some of the more minor offences. Perhaps some community service and a shorter banning order period would be more appropriate. For those that say all they did was jump up and down , maybe a compulsory attendance at Morris Dancing lessons would make them realise how silly they look .For second or serial offenders though , aren`t jail sentences appropriate though as they are well aware of how hard (rightly or wrongly)the law is cracking down on hooliganism but haven`t learnt the lesson and still offend?


Keith

Keith,
Interesting, but surely then if a football fan should go to prison if he does it again, then a drink driver or without a license or insurance should as well, as he has then not learnt his lesson ?