" WHERE DID WE GO WRONG ? " Sent from A British Pension

so glad I read parliamentary report, see how easy it is to stir up racial hatred AND bullshit. Idiots believe anything on here. BAN RACISM NOW.

At the end of the day we are being taken for MUGS, If you want to come to this Country, then work, pay taxes and adapt to OUR way of life. Don't sponge of us and take us for cunts.
It's wrong, this is OUR Country, If you don't like it, then go back to where you came from (rant over)

WE SHOULD GET ALL THE FOOTY CLUBS TOGETHER TO AGREE TO PROTEST AT EVERY MATCH ON ONE SET DATE. THEN THE SHIT ARSE POLITICIANS WOULD TAKE NOTICE.

Perhaps that is why some of our brothers are in/about to go to jail for f**k all?

The psuedo middle class lefties regularly perform on the national stage and are frankly an embarrassment to themselves let alone the general population of the UK, they only reflect the sheep, herd mentality of those who do OK out of the current system without upsetting the powers that be. They do not represent the "working class" whatsoever just their own lonely little lives, see three or four posters on CCMB for reference. Should the real "working class" i.e those who do actually work rise up then the government will have to declare Marshall Law and bring the army in, not a nice prospect.

I can see it now, gather close for this is a prediction of great importance...............











I feel a strong urge, its getting stronger,



Yess..........


Enough of youporn, I'm bored with that.


I predict, nay guarantee that tomorrow will be Friday and contrary to rumors on some other message board Saturday is not on strike. I further predict some worries , concerns, near bitting nails, kick a lefty intellectually amongest our merry band of brothers and sisters before ALLHAN, praise her for she is bisexual and takes it up the arse sometimes, when she's in the mood sort of thing, aye, a shaven haven, stockings, the full monty as we in Azerbaijan but I digress, where was I?

Nottingham is full of mongs, aye mongs, cheap though you can buy a flat for three bales of straw, a house for a basket of fruit and the whole town for a sack of coal......

At the end of the day we are being taken for MUGS, If you want to come to this Country, then work, pay taxes and adapt to OUR way of life. Don't sponge of us and take us for cunts.
It's wrong, this is OUR Country, If you don't like it, then go back to where you came from (rant over)

Marc

Read some of the responses on here.

Annis was sent a spam E-mail created entirely to try and stir up racial disharmony and containing entirely false data and claims.(probable suspects would be a far right /fascist group).

Unfortunately , some people take such claims on their face value without question , which gets these extremist groups a gullible audience whereas they should instead be laughed at as pathetic (as should all extremist groups of whatever race , creed or religion then their threat to society would be hugely reduced as they would have no followers).

At the end of the day we are being taken for MUGS, If you want to come to this Country, then work, pay taxes and adapt to OUR way of life. Don't sponge of us and take us for cunts.
It's wrong, this is OUR Country, If you don't like it, then go back to where you came from (rant over)

Marc

Read some of the responses on here.

Annis was sent a spam E-mail created entirely to try and stir up racial disharmony and containing entirely false data and claims.(probable suspects would be a far right /fascist group).

Unfortunately , some people take such claims on their face value without question , which gets these extremist groups a gullible audience whereas they should instead be laughed at as pathetic (as should all extremist groups of whatever race , creed or religion then their threat to society would be hugely reduced as they would have no followers).

i bet there not far off the mark though,

Whenever there are tough economic times invariably the first scapegoats are immigrants.

For what it's worth I think controlled and sensible immigration is a very good thing. It closes the skills gap, creates competition and creates great entrepreneurs.I believe Forever Blues forefathers came from Egypt and he is, I think, rightly proud of it.

I do agree though that the last government bent the knee to the European Union and allowed in too many people. We are a small, densely populated Island .Excessive immigration normally proves divisive. I also think that immigrants should do as much as possible to integrate themselves into that countrys culture but still remain proud of their own history and culture too.

Onto the email that Forever Blue posted on here tonight, why post it up wthout having a cursory check of the facts first ?

At the end of the day we are being taken for MUGS, If you want to come to this Country, then work, pay taxes and adapt to OUR way of life. Don't sponge of us and take us for cunts.
It's wrong, this is OUR Country, If you don't like it, then go back to where you came from (rant over)

Marc

Read some of the responses on here.

Annis was sent a spam E-mail created entirely to try and stir up racial disharmony and containing entirely false data and claims.(probable suspects would be a far right /fascist group).

Unfortunately , some people take such claims on their face value without question , which gets these extremist groups a gullible audience whereas they should instead be laughed at as pathetic (as should all extremist groups of whatever race , creed or religion then their threat to society would be hugely reduced as they would have no followers).

i bet there not far off the mark though,

The basic state pension is £95.25 a week for a single person and £152.30 for a couple.

However this is lower than the income support threshold, so if they have no other income, state pensioners receive Pension Credit which brings the weekly amount up to £130 for a single person and £198.45 for a couple.

So the figures for that are wrong.

http://www.pensionsorter.co.uk/statepension.cfm#howm

Illegal immigrants get nothing - they are here illegally. Hence the name.

Benefits for asylum seekers are £35.13 per week, or £42.16 for a single parent with a child.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/0 ... t-refugees

Whenever there are tough economic times invariably the first scapegoats are immigrants.

For what it's worth I think controlled and sensible immigration is a very good thing. It closes the skills gap, creates competition and creates great entrepreneurs.I believe Forever Blues forefathers came from Egypt and he is, I think, rightly proud of it.

I do agree though that the last government bent the knee to the European Union and allowed in too many people. We are a small, densely populated Island .Excessive immigration normally proves divisive. I also think that immigrants should do as much as possible to integrate themselves into that countrys culture but still remain proud of their own history and culture too.

Onto the email that Forever Blue posted on here tonight, why post it up wthout having a cursory check of the facts first ?

Alfie, that is exactly right. The problem with too many people in Britian is the EU not immigration from outside the EU. Look at the figures for people coming from Africa... they are tiny - I've gone the other way LOL.

Anyway, I respect Annis, he's a decent guy, an average writer( ) and a passionate city supporter. I was disappointed though that he posted the email without backing-up any of the facts. It was bound to cause a stir and I thought it was a little irresponsible considering the reach that this forum now has.

WE SHOULD GET ALL THE FOOTY CLUBS TOGETHER TO AGREE TO PROTEST AT EVERY MATCH ON ONE SET DATE. THEN THE SHIT ARSE POLITICIANS WOULD TAKE NOTICE.

Because we would all look stupid. It would be a protest about a spam and misleading email... disproven last July.

ITS NOT JUST ABOUT THAT EMAIL, IT WOULD BE ABOUT HOW THE GOVERNMENT HAS FUKED THE UK UP WITH ITS BULLSHIT HUMAN RIGHTS POLICIES. IF YOU DONT LIKE OUR RULES THEN FUC OFF.

WE SHOULD GET ALL THE FOOTY CLUBS TOGETHER TO AGREE TO PROTEST AT EVERY MATCH ON ONE SET DATE. THEN THE SHIT ARSE POLITICIANS WOULD TAKE NOTICE.

Because we would all look stupid. It would be a protest about a spam and misleading email... disproven last July.

ITS NOT JUST ABOUT THAT EMAIL, IT WOULD BE ABOUT HOW THE GOVERNMENT HAS FUKED THE UK UP WITH ITS BULLSHIT HUMAN RIGHTS POLICIES. IF YOU DONT LIKE OUR RULES THEN FUC OFF.

I did... and I was born in Monmouth

It's true Britian is mucked up.. but I think many of the problems are a little deeper than immigration. Like I have posted previously the immigration from EU member states to Britian causes more problems than from outside the EU. I remember some poles claiming all kinds of benefits... while they were working here and for people who were living in Poland.. now that's mucked up.

At the end of the day we are being taken for MUGS, If you want to come to this Country, then work, pay taxes and adapt to OUR way of life. Don't sponge of us and take us for cunts.
It's wrong, this is OUR Country, If you don't like it, then go back to where you came from (rant over)

Marc

Read some of the responses on here.

Annis was sent a spam E-mail created entirely to try and stir up racial disharmony and containing entirely false data and claims.(probable suspects would be a far right /fascist group).

Unfortunately , some people take such claims on their face value without question , which gets these extremist groups a gullible audience whereas they should instead be laughed at as pathetic (as should all extremist groups of whatever race , creed or religion then their threat to society would be hugely reduced as they would have no followers).

Keith,

I'm not a extremist but a realist, and most certainly not gullible.

The "spam email" as you put it, is just like a drunk man speaking his mind, make of that what you will.
Personally I don't need any email/group telling me what's happening to our Country.

Firstly, I'm not racist in any shape or form, I don't care if you're black, pink, purple, gay, straight etc.

I've two eyes, and my eyes are very wide open....

Why are the elderly people of this country (who fought in World Wars for the freedom we have now) struggling to pay bills, daily expenses, warming themselves in blankets as they can't afford the extra cost of heating and are being treated as second class citizens in a Country they put their lives on the line to save from occupation?) Yet most Immigrants that land on these shores daily are treated to housing, benefits, money etc (which you and me as taxpayers pay for ). Then most of them want to build their own Mosques, form their own community and generally don't give a toss about the United Kingdom of Great Britain except from what they can milk from us.
Ask the Soldiers who were on homecoming, marching through the streets of Wotton Basset and being targeted/victimised in THEIR own Country by albeit Extremists what they think...back to my original post. If you don't like or respect our Country and our way of life then I suggest you go back to where you came from.

I JUST RECEIVED THIS EMAIL and WAS ASKED TO FORWARD IT ON, Started by a BRITISH PENSIONER





OH BRITAIN, where did we go wrong ?

We're "broke" and can't help our own Seniors, Veterans, Orphans, Homeless etc.,?????????

Are you aware of the following?

The British Government provides the following financial assistance: -

BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER Weekly allowance £100
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS / REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN Weekly allowance £250

BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER Weekly Spouse allowance £25
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS / REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN Weekly Spouse allowance £225

BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER Additional weekly hardship allowance £0;00
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS / REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN Additional weekly hardship allowance £100

BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER TOTAL YEARLY BENEFIT £6,000
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS / REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN TOTAL YEARLY BENEFIT £29,900

Please read all and then forward to all your contacts so that we can lobby for a decent aged pension.

After all, the average pensioner has paid taxes and contributed to the growth of this country for the last 40 to 60 years.

Sad isn't it?

Most people won't bother to forward this.
I Just Did

It's called Thatcherism, stems back all the way from then.

I am a pensioner and I am afraid that much of this thread smacks of BNP propaganda. Yes, the basic state pension is about £100 but those who worked all their lives (40 years plus) get extra - and many also have private pensions via the companies they worked for. Spouses of pensioned ex-workers get a basic of around £60 if they have no working history, not £25. I have no idea the percentage of pensioners who have to live on just the basic but agree that they should get more. The other point that hits me is that illegal immigrants would obviously get NOTHING by virtue of the fact they are not visible or they would immediately be deported. Perhaps we should consider what we would have done had we been born into the sort of poverty that drove them to leave their families and come here on the first place, often spending every penny they had to get here. I have no idea what legal refugees get in benefits but if they get too much, then so do many British-born scroungers who prefer to live off the state rather than to work.

Having said all that, this is supposed to be a football thread so why is the subject being discussed at all? Let's put our energies into lifting the Bluebirds into the Premier League. As a City fan since childhood, promotion in 1960 was the happiest moment of my life. I'd give up half my pension just to see it happen again before I die - so please let's start with three points at Forest!

Football forum? You replied to it!

I work for the Department of Work and Pensions and can tell you that the figures shown for pensioners are a load of rubbish!!
A pensioners state pension depends on the National Insurance contributions that have been paid, there's no such thing as a hardship allowance, nor a weekly spouse allowance of £25. The absolute worst case for a couple is on pension credit where they'll get £202.40 per week, plus £250 a year winter fuel allowance, plus council tax, plus housing benefit if renting.

You can find all this on the "Direct Gov" website.

At the end of the day we are being taken for MUGS, If you want to come to this Country, then work, pay taxes and adapt to OUR way of life. Don't sponge of us and take us for cunts.
It's wrong, this is OUR Country, If you don't like it, then go back to where you came from (rant over)

Marc

Read some of the responses on here.

Annis was sent a spam E-mail created entirely to try and stir up racial disharmony and containing entirely false data and claims.(probable suspects would be a far right /fascist group).

Unfortunately , some people take such claims on their face value without question , which gets these extremist groups a gullible audience whereas they should instead be laughed at as pathetic (as should all extremist groups of whatever race , creed or religion then their threat to society would be hugely reduced as they would have no followers).

Keith,

I'm not a extremist but a realist, and most certainly not gullible.

The "spam email" as you put it, is just like a drunk man speaking his mind, make of that what you will.
Personally I don't need any email/group telling me what's happening to our Country.

Firstly, I'm not racist in any shape or form, I don't care if you're black, pink, purple, gay, straight etc.

I've two eyes, and my eyes are very wide open....

Why are the elderly people of this country (who fought in World Wars for the freedom we have now) struggling to pay bills, daily expenses, warming themselves in blankets as they can't afford the extra cost of heating and are being treated as second class citizens in a Country they put their lives on the line to save from occupation?) Yet most Immigrants that land on these shores daily are treated to housing, benefits, money etc (which you and me as taxpayers pay for ). Then most of them want to build their own Mosques, form their own community and generally don't give a toss about the United Kingdom of Great Britain except from what they can milk from us.
Ask the Soldiers who were on homecoming, marching through the streets of Wotton Basset and being targeted/victimised in THEIR own Country by albeit Extremists what they think...back to my original post. If you don't like or respect our Country and our way of life then I suggest you go back to where you came from.

Marc

I didn`t (and wouldn`t) for one minute suggest that you are racist.

What I am saying is that the people who create these deliberately misleading E-mails containing totally false data are racist and are only creating them for the purpose of creating racial tension.

And where I say people are gullible is in believing these E-mails without even bothering to make even a token effort to check if they have any basis in fact whatsoever.As someone on here posted in response , it took only a few minutes to prove that what had been claimed was total b*llocks.

I agree that elderly people do not receive anything like what they should from the Government in their retirement - I am of an age where I saw my late father (and now my mother) receive very little after a lifetime of hard graft and contributions of tax etc. But to generalise that immigrants somehow get better treated is just rubbish.
There may be examples of people who happen to be immigrants getting more than they should. But I am sure it would be equally easy to come up with examples of British born and bred people who have spent a lifetime with no intention of working and "scamming" the system for all they can. That doesn`t mean that everyone should be tarred with the same brush.

Is the case of Muslims wanting to build a mosque for their community or Hindus a temple any different from Roman Catholics wanting their own faith schools?After all , there have been far more atrocities carried out in the name of Catholicism than there have been for other religions.
Personally , I would prefer all different groups integrating better than they currently do and so on that point I agree with you that this should be encouraged far more.
On the abuse that the soldiers received , that was totally wrong and the Muslim extremists responsible for it should be treated with the same contempt as any other extremist group. But it should be remembered that those extremists do not represent the opinions of the vast majority of the people of those faiths.

Keith

sorry to let the truth get in the way, but this is a fake, originally from the usa. check it out on snopes.com

Those figures if correct and it would not surprise me if they were are disgrace.

The figures are prob Not Accurate, But it does show there is a Problem and people are unhappy with it.

Annis there is no doubt that there are problems in Britain but blaming immigrants is the lazy thing to do. Yes people are angry at the way our country has treated the elderly, the armed forces, schools etc but most reporting about immigrants / refugees is very misleading.

Heres a report about the rights of refugees and the problems that arise:
http://www.childpoverty.org.uk/cro/wrb/ ... fugees.htm

Immigrants are the easy target I’m afraid. As I said earlier on in the thread people really should look closer to home before pointing the finger at civilians who come over here to work hard and wish for a better quality of life.

If more British people stopped moaning and got off their backsides to do some work then there would be no need for so many immigrants to come over. Trying to use them as scapegoats for our countries failings is just pointless and very narrow minded.

Believe you and me Chris i despise Scroungers from these shores as much as i do illegals. Or non illegals that want to come here not for just a better life but to claim benefits with no intention of finding work. IE being a burden on the state that is what i hate. Put it this way if you were flat broke and couldn't put the bread on your kitchen table for your family would you invite your neighbours round for Steak and Chips ?

Believe you and me Chris i despise Scroungers from these shores as much as i do illegals. Or non illegals that want to come here not for just a better life but to claim benefits with no intention of finding work. IE being a burden on the state that is what i hate. Put it this way if you were flat broke and couldn't put the bread on your kitchen table for your family would you invite your neighbours round for Steak and Chips ?

Sure I don’t want people entering this country and using our benefit system, but the figures portrayed by emails/media are way off the mark to shift the blame. Emails like that are just BNP propaganda.

At the end of the day we are being taken for MUGS, If you want to come to this Country, then work, pay taxes and adapt to OUR way of life. Don't sponge of us and take us for cunts.
It's wrong, this is OUR Country, If you don't like it, then go back to where you came from (rant over)

Surely the bigger problem is British citizens sponging rather than immigrants. The number of people on benefits in this country is huge, the vast majority of them will be British citizens.

I think we all know people who are cheating the system, most of them could work if they could be bothered (all of them in my case) but instead choose the easy life. Out of the people you know that cheat the system, how many of the are not British citizens? (I appreciate the likelihood of any us knowing an asylum seeker is low, but it's worth asking the question).

I'd rather see the comparison of the pensioner who has worked for 40 years and contributed to our economy through taxation compared to the mother and father in their early thirties with 5 kids and neither can be bothered to find a job as they're better off financially claiming benefits (I realise this is a massive sterotype )..

At the end of the day we are being taken for MUGS, If you want to come to this Country, then work, pay taxes and adapt to OUR way of life. Don't sponge of us and take us for cunts.
It's wrong, this is OUR Country, If you don't like it, then go back to where you came from (rant over)

Surely the bigger problem is British citizens sponging rather than immigrants. The number of people on benefits in this country is huge, the vast majority of them will be British citizens.

I think we all know people who are cheating the system, most of them could work if they could be bothered (all of them in my case) but instead choose the easy life. Out of the people you know that cheat the system, how many of the are not British citizens? (I appreciate the likelihood of any us knowing an asylum seeker is low, but it's worth asking the question).

I'd rather see the comparison of the pensioner who has worked for 40 years and contributed to our economy through taxation compared to the mother and father in their early thirties with 5 kids and neither can be bothered to find a job as they're better off financially claiming benefits (I realise this is a massive sterotype )..

Yes as i said just above i hate scroungers that refuse to work and if fucks me right of that people make up an illness or cant work because they are drug or alcohol dependant, or in my language a Druggie or Lacy get massive benefit where my Wife is genuinely ill and is entitled only to a disabled badge and bus pass

The figures are prob Not Accurate, But it does show there is a Problem and people are unhappy with it.

The figures are definitely not accurate!!

Where are these figures from?

I'm not saying they're wrong for a second, but there's a lot of variables in there that haven't been addressed at all.

Some of "our own" - who are they by the way? - don't deserve help, we've got some real scum crawling our streets.

Sweeping generalisations will do nobody any good.

Agreed

May be there is hope at the end of the tunnel. China now has the 2nd biggest economy in the world and is on target to overtake the USA in 10 years time and become the worlds biggest. India already has a GDP bigger than the UK and again is on target to overtake the World's 3rd biggest economy Japan in 10 years time.

So my top tip is to start thinking about heading east to look for work and whilst your asylum applications are being considered in Beijing or New Delhi you can live off their generous benefit systems

Correct on China and India, all major news outlets report this

My top tip is Brazil---Vast natural resources, ever growing economy, improving infastructure, Football crazy, Glorious sunshine and beaches, plus a rainforest

Im there

Marc

I didn`t (and wouldn`t) for one minute suggest that you are racist.

What I am saying is that the people who create these deliberately misleading E-mails containing totally false data are racist and are only creating them for the purpose of creating racial tension.

And where I say people are gullible is in believing these E-mails without even bothering to make even a token effort to check if they have any basis in fact whatsoever.As someone on here posted in response , it took only a few minutes to prove that what had been claimed was total b*llocks.

You are probably right Keith, but the truth is just about everyone with an agenda will manipulate figures for their own good.

I would speculate that both the present and past Government's own figures on the real cost of immigration would be a classic example. It is not unreasonable to want to know what the real cost is and have the problem tackled rather than swept under the carpet.

Marc

I didn`t (and wouldn`t) for one minute suggest that you are racist.

What I am saying is that the people who create these deliberately misleading E-mails containing totally false data are racist and are only creating them for the purpose of creating racial tension.

And where I say people are gullible is in believing these E-mails without even bothering to make even a token effort to check if they have any basis in fact whatsoever.As someone on here posted in response , it took only a few minutes to prove that what had been claimed was total b*llocks.

You are probably right Keith, but the truth is just about everyone with an agenda will manipulate figures for their own good.

I would speculate that both the present and past Government's own figures on the real cost of immigration would be a classic example. It is not unreasonable to want to know what the real cost is and have the problem tackled rather than swept under the carpet.

But lets be Honest the Country is in a terrible state and most people are fed up of spongers, whether from Britain or abroad.
This email which looks like its been exaggerated has certainly created a good debate.

There's no smoke without fire. These problems aren't just limited to an email. Elsewhere people are worried and upset by how certain people are treated so well, whilst the old etc are shat on.

Someone I know who works for a gas company always has oaps phoning up unable to pay their heating - even with only one radiator on

I have to agree that the Pensioners get more than a rough deal especiallty those that worked all their lives and contributed to society

Britain has been seen as a easy touch for far too long and that is why we have the immigration problem and in my opinion they seem to get a better deal than our own however we also live in a society where it has been proven that you can play the system and not have society and it is those that can't be arsed to work and claim as much as they can without contributing f**k all that annoy me.

I am glad that they are doing somthing abut these scroungers, I pay my taxes my national insurance but come 65 I know that I will still have to work as my pension will not be in line with the cost of living...we should look after own first that actually contribute somthing.

"Exagerated", "No smoke without fire".... How about we call this email what it really is - A made up lie, created, I assume, by a member of the KKK in America, and then spread like wildfire by nasty little racists pouncing on it as a vindication of their own prejudices in the hope it will convert the simple minded to their way of "thinking".

I'm sure there ARE issues with our welfare state, and that of other countries, but let's not get carried away by a bunch of BNP propoganda.