Sun Apr 28, 2024 10:27 am
Sun Apr 28, 2024 10:50 am
Always City wrote:Wez, give it a rest, you are like broken record, your support for Tan and loyalty to him is noted, how about putting the club first and realise Tan is not outing the club first.
Sun Apr 28, 2024 10:55 am
thanks for actually engaging in the topic I asked , this is a massive important issue I've championed the academy as its 100% the future , the academy is working just got to see the youngsters coming through recently, it's night and day improved in facility's wise compare to a decade ago we can thank steve borley for this , but to progress to the next level we need that top status .I wpuld love a team of home grown players and suitable supply of players in the future.GrangeEndStar wrote:wez1927 wrote:GrangeEndStar wrote:wez1927 wrote:kyle08 wrote:wez1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:wez1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:AS I HAVE STATED NOW NUMEROUS TIMES:
Sam is not coming back which will please some and upset others.
Tan won’t accept any offer from Sam or anyone to do with Sam.
SO WE CAN ACTUALLY LEAVE IT THERE & DISCUSS THE OTHER POUNTS DALMAN aka MP HAD TO SAY:
If Tan stays etc then he should not moan or his Regime about any losses and should invest substantially this Summer and We should be looking for promotion next season, if We have any ambition.
To be fair Dalman does what Erol Bulut to stay and build from their , Tan is being talked around.
Tan needs to win this Sala case and plough all the money into getting cat 1 status and rebuilding the squad to sustain a premiership team.
Wez,
That’s a long way way, the squad needs money this Summer, as I put out, I was told we will be getting a massive input this Summer.
I hope it’s true??
I feel everything rest on the sala case , he won't sell if there's potentially 10s of millions coming in , maybe Keith can answer this , does any monies for cat 1 status fall outside ffp ? .
i just dont want to be like his other club, its a shambles there and they all hate tan
How does that answer what I've said you hate Tan we all get it it's boring , we Need cat 1 status , does a cash injection into the academy mean we can't buy players for the 1st team.
I don't think it does Wez, academy and foundation etc all outside of that. I don't think we will be cat 1 anytime soon either.
FFP is looking very tight given the latest filed accounts even with a reduced loss and the three year moving average loss limit but as I understand it the recent specific changes will ease that.
So the headroom is there to invest for the 5/6 we need in I think. Whether Tan will further invest now when the championship is looking good for a crack next season is anyone's guess so another 3rd party loan I guess is the way but they are building up.
The ES case and potential cash in is I think is significant in Tans thinking and there's no guarantee that will be used in a future pot for us and that could take a while to happen anyway, so not a banker.
There appears to be some very key questions not asked last night too looking at the transcript but may have been.
Very interesting and somewhat revealing that MD said again that Tan would not sell specifically to Sam whilst saying there are no deals on the table.
Over to Tan now I guess and let's hope for some positive news, as we could have a realistic push next season.
I think the club need to go all out to gain cat 1 status , we've lost potentially 5 1st team players to higher academy's in the last 2 years yes we've got a couple of million in compensation but that's peanuts compared to getting transfer fees if they would of made it
I agree. It would also mean that in addition to not losing talent, we could also target both Cat 1 and Cat 2s and attract talent in to develop and sell on.
Cat 1 one is around £6M PA, Cat 2 is £2M. The Jacks dropped back to Cat 2 for this reason as expensive to maintain when outside the PL. But they made £46M from player sales because of it so the figures stack up to have it when circumstances allow. Only around 6 Championship clubs are Cat 1 now I believe but don't quote me on that.
I just don't think in reality we have the finances or appetite to do it yet, despite it being important. I think the focus for Tan now is what he's going to do immediately for next season and Cat 1 status is a future goal. It would also be attractive to a potential future buyer but in no way a deal breaker.
Also remember that even if we aren't Cat 1, talent is attracted to us if we are showing real ambition of achieving sustainable PL status anyway. If we are realistically in that position then we can target Cat 1s where talented players maybe in limbo as can't break through but would be attracted to a club on its ascendancy. Timing and all that.
Sun Apr 28, 2024 10:57 am
Sun Apr 28, 2024 10:58 am
Sun Apr 28, 2024 11:00 am
Sun Apr 28, 2024 11:10 am
Sun Apr 28, 2024 11:11 am
Sun Apr 28, 2024 11:28 am
Sun Apr 28, 2024 11:28 am
Sun Apr 28, 2024 11:50 am
Sneggyblubird wrote:Does anybody on here realise how much it costs to set up and run a Cat 1 Academy.To be honest for now I would rather see any spare cash spent on the first team.And by the way how many clubs below prem level have a Cat 1 academy, last time I looked it was about half a doesen.It's not a passport to the premier league but can be very useful when you get there.I think Birmingham were the latest club to be awarded Cat 1 status and they may well be relagated next week.
Sun Apr 28, 2024 12:02 pm
Sun Apr 28, 2024 12:16 pm
Sun Apr 28, 2024 12:33 pm
Sun Apr 28, 2024 1:32 pm
HarriRhys22 wrote:I think it’s far more important for our club to get a Cat 1 Academy to produce our own than to waste more money on journeymen like we have in the past! Look at our last two money signings at £2million each, Robinson and Turnbull,they are not even regulars in the team.Far better to go with loan players from Premier League clubs like Phillips,Grant and Bowler etc Then if we did get promoted we could buy them,the only gamble is their wages rather than wasting millions,like Murphy £11m,Glazel £6m,Cunningham £4m etc etc!
Sun Apr 28, 2024 1:36 pm
montyblue wrote:HarriRhys22 wrote:I think it’s far more important for our club to get a Cat 1 Academy to produce our own than to waste more money on journeymen like we have in the past! Look at our last two money signings at £2million each, Robinson and Turnbull,they are not even regulars in the team.Far better to go with loan players from Premier League clubs like Phillips,Grant and Bowler etc Then if we did get promoted we could buy them,the only gamble is their wages rather than wasting millions,like Murphy £11m,Glazel £6m,Cunningham £4m etc etc!
I said this years ago when we where toe to toe with wolves for promotion they loaned a lot of players from Portugal but when promoted they where not lumbered with players who where not upto a higher standard always thought the model was a good one right to buy we could have perhaps loaned 2 strikers of worth rather than turnball costing 2 million.
Sun Apr 28, 2024 1:40 pm
montyblue wrote:HarriRhys22 wrote:I think it’s far more important for our club to get a Cat 1 Academy to produce our own than to waste more money on journeymen like we have in the past! Look at our last two money signings at £2million each, Robinson and Turnbull,they are not even regulars in the team.Far better to go with loan players from Premier League clubs like Phillips,Grant and Bowler etc Then if we did get promoted we could buy them,the only gamble is their wages rather than wasting millions,like Murphy £11m,Glazel £6m,Cunningham £4m etc etc!
I said this years ago when we where toe to toe with wolves for promotion they loaned a lot of players from Portugal but when promoted they where not lumbered with players who where not upto a higher standard always thought the model was a good one right to buy we could have perhaps loaned 2 strikers of worth rather than turnball costing 2 million.
Sun Apr 28, 2024 2:24 pm
Sun Apr 28, 2024 2:36 pm
Sun Apr 28, 2024 4:07 pm
GrangeEndStar wrote:wez1927 wrote:GrangeEndStar wrote:wez1927 wrote:kyle08 wrote:wez1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:wez1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:AS I HAVE STATED NOW NUMEROUS TIMES:
Sam is not coming back which will please some and upset others.
Tan won’t accept any offer from Sam or anyone to do with Sam.
SO WE CAN ACTUALLY LEAVE IT THERE & DISCUSS THE OTHER POUNTS DALMAN aka MP HAD TO SAY:
If Tan stays etc then he should not moan or his Regime about any losses and should invest substantially this Summer and We should be looking for promotion next season, if We have any ambition.
To be fair Dalman does what Erol Bulut to stay and build from their , Tan is being talked around.
Tan needs to win this Sala case and plough all the money into getting cat 1 status and rebuilding the squad to sustain a premiership team.
Wez,
That’s a long way way, the squad needs money this Summer, as I put out, I was told we will be getting a massive input this Summer.
I hope it’s true??
I feel everything rest on the sala case , he won't sell if there's potentially 10s of millions coming in , maybe Keith can answer this , does any monies for cat 1 status fall outside ffp ? .
i just dont want to be like his other club, its a shambles there and they all hate tan
How does that answer what I've said you hate Tan we all get it it's boring , we Need cat 1 status , does a cash injection into the academy mean we can't buy players for the 1st team.
I don't think it does Wez, academy and foundation etc all outside of that. I don't think we will be cat 1 anytime soon either.
FFP is looking very tight given the latest filed accounts even with a reduced loss and the three year moving average loss limit but as I understand it the recent specific changes will ease that.
So the headroom is there to invest for the 5/6 we need in I think. Whether Tan will further invest now when the championship is looking good for a crack next season is anyone's guess so another 3rd party loan I guess is the way but they are building up.
The ES case and potential cash in is I think is significant in Tans thinking and there's no guarantee that will be used in a future pot for us and that could take a while to happen anyway, so not a banker.
There appears to be some very key questions not asked last night too looking at the transcript but may have been.
Very interesting and somewhat revealing that MD said again that Tan would not sell specifically to Sam whilst saying there are no deals on the table.
Over to Tan now I guess and let's hope for some positive news, as we could have a realistic push next season.
I think the club need to go all out to gain cat 1 status , we've lost potentially 5 1st team players to higher academy's in the last 2 years yes we've got a couple of million in compensation but that's peanuts compared to getting transfer fees if they would of made it
I agree. It would also mean that in addition to not losing talent, we could also target both Cat 1 and Cat 2s and attract talent in to develop and sell on.
Cat 1 one is around £6M PA, Cat 2 is £2M. The Jacks dropped back to Cat 2 for this reason as expensive to maintain when outside the PL. But they made £46M from player sales because of it so the figures stack up to have it when circumstances allow. Only around 6 Championship clubs are Cat 1 now I believe but don't quote me on that.
I just don't think in reality we have the finances or appetite to do it yet, despite it being important. I think the focus for Tan now is what he's going to do immediately for next season and Cat 1 status is a future goal. It would also be attractive to a potential future buyer but in no way a deal breaker.
Also remember that even if we aren't Cat 1, talent is attracted to us if we are showing real ambition of achieving sustainable PL status anyway. If we are realistically in that position then we can target Cat 1s where talented players maybe in limbo as can't break through but would be attracted to a club on its ascendancy. Timing and all that.
Sun Apr 28, 2024 6:50 pm
Cantonblue.ian wrote:GrangeEndStar wrote:wez1927 wrote:GrangeEndStar wrote:wez1927 wrote:kyle08 wrote:wez1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:wez1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:AS I HAVE STATED NOW NUMEROUS TIMES:
Sam is not coming back which will please some and upset others.
Tan won’t accept any offer from Sam or anyone to do with Sam.
SO WE CAN ACTUALLY LEAVE IT THERE & DISCUSS THE OTHER POUNTS DALMAN aka MP HAD TO SAY:
If Tan stays etc then he should not moan or his Regime about any losses and should invest substantially this Summer and We should be looking for promotion next season, if We have any ambition.
To be fair Dalman does what Erol Bulut to stay and build from their , Tan is being talked around.
Tan needs to win this Sala case and plough all the money into getting cat 1 status and rebuilding the squad to sustain a premiership team.
Wez,
That’s a long way way, the squad needs money this Summer, as I put out, I was told we will be getting a massive input this Summer.
I hope it’s true??
I feel everything rest on the sala case , he won't sell if there's potentially 10s of millions coming in , maybe Keith can answer this , does any monies for cat 1 status fall outside ffp ? .
i just dont want to be like his other club, its a shambles there and they all hate tan
How does that answer what I've said you hate Tan we all get it it's boring , we Need cat 1 status , does a cash injection into the academy mean we can't buy players for the 1st team.
I don't think it does Wez, academy and foundation etc all outside of that. I don't think we will be cat 1 anytime soon either.
FFP is looking very tight given the latest filed accounts even with a reduced loss and the three year moving average loss limit but as I understand it the recent specific changes will ease that.
So the headroom is there to invest for the 5/6 we need in I think. Whether Tan will further invest now when the championship is looking good for a crack next season is anyone's guess so another 3rd party loan I guess is the way but they are building up.
The ES case and potential cash in is I think is significant in Tans thinking and there's no guarantee that will be used in a future pot for us and that could take a while to happen anyway, so not a banker.
There appears to be some very key questions not asked last night too looking at the transcript but may have been.
Very interesting and somewhat revealing that MD said again that Tan would not sell specifically to Sam whilst saying there are no deals on the table.
Over to Tan now I guess and let's hope for some positive news, as we could have a realistic push next season.
I think the club need to go all out to gain cat 1 status , we've lost potentially 5 1st team players to higher academy's in the last 2 years yes we've got a couple of million in compensation but that's peanuts compared to getting transfer fees if they would of made it
I agree. It would also mean that in addition to not losing talent, we could also target both Cat 1 and Cat 2s and attract talent in to develop and sell on.
Cat 1 one is around £6M PA, Cat 2 is £2M. The Jacks dropped back to Cat 2 for this reason as expensive to maintain when outside the PL. But they made £46M from player sales because of it so the figures stack up to have it when circumstances allow. Only around 6 Championship clubs are Cat 1 now I believe but don't quote me on that.
I just don't think in reality we have the finances or appetite to do it yet, despite it being important. I think the focus for Tan now is what he's going to do immediately for next season and Cat 1 status is a future goal. It would also be attractive to a potential future buyer but in no way a deal breaker.
Also remember that even if we aren't Cat 1, talent is attracted to us if we are showing real ambition of achieving sustainable PL status anyway. If we are realistically in that position then we can target Cat 1s where talented players maybe in limbo as can't break through but would be attracted to a club on its ascendancy. Timing and all that.
I belive there’s 9 in the championship and 2 in league one that are cat a but I wouldn’t bet my life on the source being correct though.
Sun Apr 28, 2024 8:23 pm
pembroke allan wrote:Cantonblue.ian wrote:GrangeEndStar wrote:wez1927 wrote:kyle08 wrote:wez1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:wez1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:AS I HAVE STATED NOW NUMEROUS TIMES:
Sam is not coming back which will please some and upset others.
Tan won’t accept any offer from Sam or anyone to do with Sam.
SO WE CAN ACTUALLY LEAVE IT THERE & DISCUSS THE OTHER POUNTS DALMAN aka MP HAD TO SAY:
If Tan stays etc then he should not moan or his Regime about any losses and should invest substantially this Summer and We should be looking for promotion next season, if We have any ambition.
To be fair Dalman does what Erol Bulut to stay and build from their , Tan is being talked around.
Tan needs to win this Sala case and plough all the money into getting cat 1 status and rebuilding the squad to sustain a premiership team.
Wez,
That’s a long way way, the squad needs money this Summer, as I put out, I was told we will be getting a massive input this Summer.
I hope it’s true??
I feel everything rest on the sala case , he won't sell if there's potentially 10s of millions coming in , maybe Keith can answer this , does any monies for cat 1 status fall outside ffp ? .
i just dont want to be like his other club, its a shambles there and they all hate tan
How does that answer what I've said you hate Tan we all get it it's boring , we Need cat 1 status , does a cash injection into the academy mean we can't buy players for the 1st team.
I don't think it does Wez, academy and foundation etc all outside of that. I don't think we will be cat 1 anytime soon either.
FFP is looking very tight given the latest filed accounts even with a reduced loss and the three year moving average loss limit but as I understand it the recent specific changes will ease that.
So the headroom is there to invest for the 5/6 we need in I think. Whether Tan will further invest now when the championship is looking good for a crack next season is anyone's guess so another 3rd party loan I guess is the way but they are building up.
The ES case and potential cash in is I think is significant in Tans thinking and there's no guarantee that will be used in a future pot for us and that could take a while to happen anyway, so not a banker.
There appears to be some very key questions not asked last night too looking at the transcript but may have been.
Very interesting and somewhat revealing that MD said again that Tan would not sell specifically to Sam whilst saying there are no deals on the table.
Over to Tan now I guess and let's hope for some positive news, as we could have a realistic push next season.
I think the club need to go all out to gain cat 1 status , we've lost potentially 5 1st team players to higher academy's in the last 2 years yes we've got a couple of million in compensation but that's peanuts compared to getting transfer fees if they would of made it
I agree. It would also mean that in addition to not losing talent, we could also target both Cat 1 and Cat 2s and attract talent in to develop and sell on.
Cat 1 one is around £6M PA, Cat 2 is £2M. The Jacks dropped back to Cat 2 for this reason as expensive to maintain when outside the PL. But they made £46M from player sales because of it so the figures stack up to have it when circumstances allow. Only around 6 Championship clubs are Cat 1 now I believe but don't quote me on that.
I just don't think in reality we have the finances or appetite to do it yet, despite it being important. I think the focus for Tan now is what he's going to do immediately for next season and Cat 1 status is a future goal. It would also be attractive to a potential future buyer but in no way a deal breaker.
Also remember that even if we aren't Cat 1, talent is attracted to us if we are showing real ambition of achieving sustainable PL status anyway. If we are realistically in that position then we can target Cat 1s where talented players maybe in limbo as can't break through but would be attracted to a club on its ascendancy. Timing and all that.
Sun Apr 28, 2024 8:57 pm
Cantonblue.ian wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Cantonblue.ian wrote:GrangeEndStar wrote:wez1927 wrote:kyle08 wrote:wez1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:wez1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:AS I HAVE STATED NOW NUMEROUS TIMES:
Sam is not coming back which will please some and upset others.
Tan won’t accept any offer from Sam or anyone to do with Sam.
SO WE CAN ACTUALLY LEAVE IT THERE & DISCUSS THE OTHER POUNTS DALMAN aka MP HAD TO SAY:
If Tan stays etc then he should not moan or his Regime about any losses and should invest substantially this Summer and We should be looking for promotion next season, if We have any ambition.
To be fair Dalman does what Erol Bulut to stay and build from their , Tan is being talked around.
Tan needs to win this Sala case and plough all the money into getting cat 1 status and rebuilding the squad to sustain a premiership team.
Wez,
That’s a long way way, the squad needs money this Summer, as I put out, I was told we will be getting a massive input this Summer.
I hope it’s true??
I feel everything rest on the sala case , he won't sell if there's potentially 10s of millions coming in , maybe Keith can answer this , does any monies for cat 1 status fall outside ffp ? .
i just dont want to be like his other club, its a shambles there and they all hate tan
How does that answer what I've said you hate Tan we all get it it's boring , we Need cat 1 status , does a cash injection into the academy mean we can't buy players for the 1st team.
I don't think it does Wez, academy and foundation etc all outside of that. I don't think we will be cat 1 anytime soon either.
FFP is looking very tight given the latest filed accounts even with a reduced loss and the three year moving average loss limit but as I understand it the recent specific changes will ease that.
So the headroom is there to invest for the 5/6 we need in I think. Whether Tan will further invest now when the championship is looking good for a crack next season is anyone's guess so another 3rd party loan I guess is the way but they are building up.
The ES case and potential cash in is I think is significant in Tans thinking and there's no guarantee that will be used in a future pot for us and that could take a while to happen anyway, so not a banker.
There appears to be some very key questions not asked last night too looking at the transcript but may have been.
Very interesting and somewhat revealing that MD said again that Tan would not sell specifically to Sam whilst saying there are no deals on the table.
Over to Tan now I guess and let's hope for some positive news, as we could have a realistic push next season.
I think the club need to go all out to gain cat 1 status , we've lost potentially 5 1st team players to higher academy's in the last 2 years yes we've got a couple of million in compensation but that's peanuts compared to getting transfer fees if they would of made it
I agree. It would also mean that in addition to not losing talent, we could also target both Cat 1 and Cat 2s and attract talent in to develop and sell on.
Cat 1 one is around £6M PA, Cat 2 is £2M. The Jacks dropped back to Cat 2 for this reason as expensive to maintain when outside the PL. But they made £46M from player sales because of it so the figures stack up to have it when circumstances allow. Only around 6 Championship clubs are Cat 1 now I believe but don't quote me on that.
I just don't think in reality we have the finances or appetite to do it yet, despite it being important. I think the focus for Tan now is what he's going to do immediately for next season and Cat 1 status is a future goal. It would also be attractive to a potential future buyer but in no way a deal breaker.
Also remember that even if we aren't Cat 1, talent is attracted to us if we are showing real ambition of achieving sustainable PL status anyway. If we are realistically in that position then we can target Cat 1s where talented players maybe in limbo as can't break through but would be attracted to a club on its ascendancy. Timing and all that.
I belive there’s 9 in the championship and 2 in league one that are cat a but I wouldn’t bet my life on the source being correct though.
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