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jimmy_rat wrote:Name me a leader that has only done good things? It comes with the job. You're undoubtedly going to disappoint some people.
WC did a lot more good for this country and indeed the world as a whole. Hero in my opinion.
Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:04 am
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Sneggyblubird wrote:Poor question in my view.The moral code was totally different in those days.
Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:20 am
Bluebird1990 wrote:jimmy_rat wrote:Name me a leader that has only done good things? It comes with the job. You're undoubtedly going to disappoint some people.
WC did a lot more good for this country and indeed the world as a whole. Hero in my opinion.
Its not as simple as "he done some bad thing too" he did some absolutely terrible things.
He was a massive racist.
He Let Millions Of Indians Starve To Death.
He Supported Chemical Warfare Against ‘Uncivilised Tribes’
He Believed In Racial Hierarchies
He Covered Up The Katyn Massacre
He has a lot of blood on his hands.
Im not trying to start a debate im just saying you shouldn't blindly think he's a hero and forget the terrible things he did.
He should be held accountable for them and should not be forgotten but he should be recognised for his accomplishment during the war
Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:22 am
Sneggyblubird wrote:Poor question in my view.The moral code was totally different in those days.
Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:54 am
Bluebird1990 wrote:jimmy_rat wrote:Name me a leader that has only done good things? It comes with the job. You're undoubtedly going to disappoint some people.
WC did a lot more good for this country and indeed the world as a whole. Hero in my opinion.
Its not as simple as "he done some bad thing too" he did some absolutely terrible things.
He was a massive racist.
He Let Millions Of Indians Starve To Death.
He Supported Chemical Warfare Against ‘Uncivilised Tribes’
He Believed In Racial Hierarchies
He Covered Up The Katyn Massacre
He has a lot of blood on his hands.
Im not trying to start a debate im just saying you shouldn't blindly think he's a hero and forget the terrible things he did.
He should be held accountable for them and should not be forgotten but he should be recognised for his accomplishment during the war
Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:35 am
Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:44 am
Bluebird1990 wrote:jimmy_rat wrote:Name me a leader that has only done good things? It comes with the job. You're undoubtedly going to disappoint some people.
WC did a lot more good for this country and indeed the world as a whole. Hero in my opinion.
Its not as simple as "he done some bad thing too" he did some absolutely terrible things.
He was a massive racist.
He Let Millions Of Indians Starve To Death.
He Supported Chemical Warfare Against ‘Uncivilised Tribes’
He Believed In Racial Hierarchies
He Covered Up The Katyn Massacre
He has a lot of blood on his hands.
Im not trying to start a debate im just saying you shouldn't blindly think he's a hero and forget the terrible things he did.
He should be held accountable for them and should not be forgotten but he should be recognised for his accomplishment during the war
Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:45 am
Jock wrote:Bluebird1990 wrote:jimmy_rat wrote:Name me a leader that has only done good things? It comes with the job. You're undoubtedly going to disappoint some people.
WC did a lot more good for this country and indeed the world as a whole. Hero in my opinion.
Its not as simple as "he done some bad thing too" he did some absolutely terrible things.
He was a massive racist.
He Let Millions Of Indians Starve To Death.
He Supported Chemical Warfare Against ‘Uncivilised Tribes’
He Believed In Racial Hierarchies
He Covered Up The Katyn Massacre
He has a lot of blood on his hands.
Im not trying to start a debate im just saying you shouldn't blindly think he's a hero and forget the terrible things he did.
He should be held accountable for them and should not be forgotten but he should be recognised for his accomplishment during the war
Different times, different standards. He was a great wartime leader without whom we’d literally all be speaking German. Gandhi (by your standard) was also a massive racist, who believed in racial hierarchies. McDonnell is a terrorist loving Marxist playing to the Leftist filth in the cheap seats and self loathers.
Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:51 am
Bluebird1990 wrote:Jock wrote:Bluebird1990 wrote:jimmy_rat wrote:Name me a leader that has only done good things? It comes with the job. You're undoubtedly going to disappoint some people.
WC did a lot more good for this country and indeed the world as a whole. Hero in my opinion.
Its not as simple as "he done some bad thing too" he did some absolutely terrible things.
He was a massive racist.
He Let Millions Of Indians Starve To Death.
He Supported Chemical Warfare Against ‘Uncivilised Tribes’
He Believed In Racial Hierarchies
He Covered Up The Katyn Massacre
He has a lot of blood on his hands.
Im not trying to start a debate im just saying you shouldn't blindly think he's a hero and forget the terrible things he did.
He should be held accountable for them and should not be forgotten but he should be recognised for his accomplishment during the war
Different times, different standards. He was a great wartime leader without whom we’d literally all be speaking German. Gandhi (by your standard) was also a massive racist, who believed in racial hierarchies. McDonnell is a terrorist loving Marxist playing to the Leftist filth in the cheap seats and self loathers.
Just because it was a different time doesnt make it acceptable, letting millions starve to death is a terrible thing in any century, i know Ghandi was a racist whats your point? we weren't talking about Ghandi so i fail to see what your reason is for bring them up, if you want to talk about how terrible they were then go make a separate thread.
Like i said before if you read it properly the terrible things done shouldn't be forgotten just because he did do a lot of good i'm not denying that but he did do good but also a lot of bad too
Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:57 am
Jock wrote:Bluebird1990 wrote:Jock wrote:Bluebird1990 wrote:jimmy_rat wrote:Name me a leader that has only done good things? It comes with the job. You're undoubtedly going to disappoint some people.
WC did a lot more good for this country and indeed the world as a whole. Hero in my opinion.
Its not as simple as "he done some bad thing too" he did some absolutely terrible things.
He was a massive racist.
He Let Millions Of Indians Starve To Death.
He Supported Chemical Warfare Against ‘Uncivilised Tribes’
He Believed In Racial Hierarchies
He Covered Up The Katyn Massacre
He has a lot of blood on his hands.
Im not trying to start a debate im just saying you shouldn't blindly think he's a hero and forget the terrible things he did.
He should be held accountable for them and should not be forgotten but he should be recognised for his accomplishment during the war
Different times, different standards. He was a great wartime leader without whom we’d literally all be speaking German. Gandhi (by your standard) was also a massive racist, who believed in racial hierarchies. McDonnell is a terrorist loving Marxist playing to the Leftist filth in the cheap seats and self loathers.
Just because it was a different time doesnt make it acceptable, letting millions starve to death is a terrible thing in any century, i know Ghandi was a racist whats your point? we weren't talking about Ghandi so i fail to see what your reason is for bring them up, if you want to talk about how terrible they were then go make a separate thread.
Like i said before if you read it properly the terrible things done shouldn't be forgotten just because he did do a lot of good i'm not denying that but he did do good but also a lot of bad too
McDonnell made the statement
Ghandi seems to be held to a different standard
You’re an idiot.
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Welshman in CA wrote:Ridiculous question.
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:03 pm
JimCP91 wrote:He certainly was a great wartime leader but you cant excuse his bad actions by "they were different times".
Otherwise, you can use the exact same reasoning to excuse Hitler for butchering Jews as they were different times...
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worcester_ccfc wrote:The result of that poll is a lot closer than I expected, maybe not such a ridiculous question?
Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:41 pm
castleblue wrote:"It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA".[18]
The words of John McDonnell from 2003 supporting the murderous acts of the IRA and this arsehole has the nerve to question the actions of probably the greatest British man of modern times.
The truth is Winston Churchill was not perfect, who is, but trust me WC scrapped better things off the sole of his shoes than this tosser McDonnell.
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