Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:02 pm
Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:I feel it’s the only way now. I’m sad to say. If so I’ve changed my mind and would vote remain. I have no confidence in politicians from this country being able to run it.
And you have confidence in the unelected mob from Europe running us?
The better option out of the two I’m afraid as been proven in these negotiations.
Better option is a matter of opinion of course! but then that's not what was democratically voted for, the negotiations have ended like this because of selfish mps who want what they want not what the people voted for they are a disgrace to constituencies they represent
They are a disgrace your spot on. Why would you want them to have more power.
Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:44 pm
pembroke allan wrote:Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:I feel it’s the only way now. I’m sad to say. If so I’ve changed my mind and would vote remain. I have no confidence in politicians from this country being able to run it.
And you have confidence in the unelected mob from Europe running us?
The better option out of the two I’m afraid as been proven in these negotiations.
Better option is a matter of opinion of course! but then that's not what was democratically voted for, the negotiations have ended like this because of selfish mps who want what they want not what the people voted for they are a disgrace to constituencies they represent
They are a disgrace your spot on. Why would you want them to have more power.
Not particularly but at least we can vote the buggers out which we cannot do with junkers and his cronies
Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:48 pm
Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:I feel it’s the only way now. I’m sad to say. If so I’ve changed my mind and would vote remain. I have no confidence in politicians from this country being able to run it.
And you have confidence in the unelected mob from Europe running us?
The better option out of the two I’m afraid as been proven in these negotiations.
Better option is a matter of opinion of course! but then that's not what was democratically voted for, the negotiations have ended like this because of selfish mps who want what they want not what the people voted for they are a disgrace to constituencies they represent
They are a disgrace your spot on. Why would you want them to have more power.
Not particularly but at least we can vote the buggers out which we cannot do with junkers and his cronies
You spot on again. The sign of democracy we get to vote again if opinions change over time for one reason or another.
Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:33 am
Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:03 am
pembroke allan wrote:Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:I feel it’s the only way now. I’m sad to say. If so I’ve changed my mind and would vote remain. I have no confidence in politicians from this country being able to run it.
And you have confidence in the unelected mob from Europe running us?
The better option out of the two I’m afraid as been proven in these negotiations.
Better option is a matter of opinion of course! but then that's not what was democratically voted for, the negotiations have ended like this because of selfish mps who want what they want not what the people voted for they are a disgrace to constituencies they represent
Mr David,
As a lifetime supporter of the Labour Party is saddens me deeply to write this email to you but I feel your vote on Tuesday evening has left me with no option.
Your vote against the deal negotiated by the Prime Minister in relation to the UK leaving the EU clearly flies in the face of the will of your constituents in Caerphilly, myself included. I would like to remind you that over 57% of your constituents voted to Leave the EU and that represented a 15% majority. This is an important issue as represented by the 71% turnout in the referendum vote, much higher than the General Election in which you were returned to Parliament.
It's clear to me that my vote is not important to you, but it is to me, and I will never waste it again by supporting you in the elections to come.
Your deeply disappointed constituent,
Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:12 am
castleblue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:I feel it’s the only way now. I’m sad to say. If so I’ve changed my mind and would vote remain. I have no confidence in politicians from this country being able to run it.
And you have confidence in the unelected mob from Europe running us?
The better option out of the two I’m afraid as been proven in these negotiations.
Better option is a matter of opinion of course! but then that's not what was democratically voted for, the negotiations have ended like this because of selfish mps who want what they want not what the people voted for they are a disgrace to constituencies they represent
This is what disappoints me most about all of this as my MP voted against this deal when in the referendum his constituency, Caerphilly, voted to leave with a 15% majority. I've sent this email to my MP:Mr David,
As a lifetime supporter of the Labour Party is saddens me deeply to write this email to you but I feel your vote on Tuesday evening has left me with no option.
Your vote against the deal negotiated by the Prime Minister in relation to the UK leaving the EU clearly flies in the face of the will of your constituents in Caerphilly, myself included. I would like to remind you that over 57% of your constituents voted to Leave the EU and that represented a 15% majority. This is an important issue as represented by the 71% turnout in the referendum vote, much higher than the General Election in which you were returned to Parliament.
It's clear to me that my vote is not important to you, but it is to me, and I will never waste it again by supporting you in the elections to come.
Your deeply disappointed constituent,
I don't think he will care enough to send me any meaningful reply, but I will never vote for him again.
Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:19 am
SirJimmySchoular wrote:There is little doubt in the public mind that politicians are deliberately fudging issues and employing procedural conjuring tricks to frustrate and reverse the popular vote and the will of the electors .
This is a very very grave matter indeed.
We know and can easily predict that they might try to angle it towards another referrendum - falsely claiming that this is the only alternative available . Therefore here's a question I never thought anyone would seriously be posing in the United Kingdom, but one which I'm afraid must be addressed...
Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:22 am
pembroke allan wrote:castleblue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:I feel it’s the only way now. I’m sad to say. If so I’ve changed my mind and would vote remain. I have no confidence in politicians from this country being able to run it.
And you have confidence in the unelected mob from Europe running us?
The better option out of the two I’m afraid as been proven in these negotiations.
Better option is a matter of opinion of course! but then that's not what was democratically voted for, the negotiations have ended like this because of selfish mps who want what they want not what the people voted for they are a disgrace to constituencies they represent
This is what disappoints me most about all of this as my MP voted against this deal when in the referendum his constituency, Caerphilly, voted to leave with a 15% majority. I've sent this email to my MP:Mr David,
As a lifetime supporter of the Labour Party is saddens me deeply to write this email to you but I feel your vote on Tuesday evening has left me with no option.
Your vote against the deal negotiated by the Prime Minister in relation to the UK leaving the EU clearly flies in the face of the will of your constituents in Caerphilly, myself included. I would like to remind you that over 57% of your constituents voted to Leave the EU and that represented a 15% majority. This is an important issue as represented by the 71% turnout in the referendum vote, much higher than the General Election in which you were returned to Parliament.
It's clear to me that my vote is not important to you, but it is to me, and I will never waste it again by supporting you in the elections to come.
Your deeply disappointed constituent,
I don't think he will care enough to send me any meaningful reply, but I will never vote for him again.
Simple solution was for corbyn to go to may once leave was voted and help negotiate what was acceptable to Labour party that way EU would know UK meant buisness , but all weve had is them sniping away at everything put forward so reducing our strength in negotiations And hes still doing it now by refusing to sit fown and talk about it with may! it's become blatantly obvious that he saw leave vote as an opportunity to make play for PM as he knew he wouldn't do it the normal way if anyone is to blame for this situation it's corbyn and the other self interested ex political nobodies undermining Uks negotiations.
Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:42 am
Bluebina wrote:pembroke allan wrote:castleblue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:I feel it’s the only way now. I’m sad to say. If so I’ve changed my mind and would vote remain. I have no confidence in politicians from this country being able to run it.
And you have confidence in the unelected mob from Europe running us?
The better option out of the two I’m afraid as been proven in these negotiations.
Better option is a matter of opinion of course! but then that's not what was democratically voted for, the negotiations have ended like this because of selfish mps who want what they want not what the people voted for they are a disgrace to constituencies they represent
This is what disappoints me most about all of this as my MP voted against this deal when in the referendum his constituency, Caerphilly, voted to leave with a 15% majority. I've sent this email to my MP:Mr David,
As a lifetime supporter of the Labour Party is saddens me deeply to write this email to you but I feel your vote on Tuesday evening has left me with no option.
Your vote against the deal negotiated by the Prime Minister in relation to the UK leaving the EU clearly flies in the face of the will of your constituents in Caerphilly, myself included. I would like to remind you that over 57% of your constituents voted to Leave the EU and that represented a 15% majority. This is an important issue as represented by the 71% turnout in the referendum vote, much higher than the General Election in which you were returned to Parliament.
It's clear to me that my vote is not important to you, but it is to me, and I will never waste it again by supporting you in the elections to come.
Your deeply disappointed constituent,
I don't think he will care enough to send me any meaningful reply, but I will never vote for him again.
Simple solution was for corbyn to go to may once leave was voted and help negotiate what was acceptable to Labour party that way EU would know UK meant buisness , but all weve had is them sniping away at everything put forward so reducing our strength in negotiations And hes still doing it now by refusing to sit fown and talk about it with may! it's become blatantly obvious that he saw leave vote as an opportunity to make play for PM as he knew he wouldn't do it the normal way if anyone is to blame for this situation it's corbyn and the other self interested ex political nobodies undermining Uks negotiations.
Spot on he's just out for himself and doesn't want to contribute, just play childish games and to try and stop any progress!
Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:49 am
dogfound wrote:Bluebina wrote:pembroke allan wrote:castleblue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:I feel it’s the only way now. I’m sad to say. If so I’ve changed my mind and would vote remain. I have no confidence in politicians from this country being able to run it.
And you have confidence in the unelected mob from Europe running us?
The better option out of the two I’m afraid as been proven in these negotiations.
Better option is a matter of opinion of course! but then that's not what was democratically voted for, the negotiations have ended like this because of selfish mps who want what they want not what the people voted for they are a disgrace to constituencies they represent
This is what disappoints me most about all of this as my MP voted against this deal when in the referendum his constituency, Caerphilly, voted to leave with a 15% majority. I've sent this email to my MP:Mr David,
As a lifetime supporter of the Labour Party is saddens me deeply to write this email to you but I feel your vote on Tuesday evening has left me with no option.
Your vote against the deal negotiated by the Prime Minister in relation to the UK leaving the EU clearly flies in the face of the will of your constituents in Caerphilly, myself included. I would like to remind you that over 57% of your constituents voted to Leave the EU and that represented a 15% majority. This is an important issue as represented by the 71% turnout in the referendum vote, much higher than the General Election in which you were returned to Parliament.
It's clear to me that my vote is not important to you, but it is to me, and I will never waste it again by supporting you in the elections to come.
Your deeply disappointed constituent,
I don't think he will care enough to send me any meaningful reply, but I will never vote for him again.
Simple solution was for corbyn to go to may once leave was voted and help negotiate what was acceptable to Labour party that way EU would know UK meant buisness , but all weve had is them sniping away at everything put forward so reducing our strength in negotiations And hes still doing it now by refusing to sit fown and talk about it with may! it's become blatantly obvious that he saw leave vote as an opportunity to make play for PM as he knew he wouldn't do it the normal way if anyone is to blame for this situation it's corbyn and the other self interested ex political nobodies undermining Uks negotiations.
Spot on he's just out for himself and doesn't want to contribute, just play childish games and to try and stop any progress!
yep. WTF was that vote he called last night ? absolute waste of everyones time.
Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:53 am
Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:12 am
troobloo3339 wrote:I voted no
How ever i would be happy with a second vote
As we have voted out let the people vote on how we leave
So the vote should be on the following only
Teresa mays deal
A no deal
Simple remain should not be an option as that was voted on in 2016
Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:15 am
troobloo3339 wrote:I voted no
How ever i would be happy with a second vote
As we have voted out let the people vote on how we leave
So the vote should be on the following only
Teresa mays deal
A no deal
Simple remain should not be an option as that was voted on in 2016
Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:21 am
dogfound wrote:troobloo3339 wrote:I voted no
How ever i would be happy with a second vote
As we have voted out let the people vote on how we leave
So the vote should be on the following only
Teresa mays deal
A no deal
Simple remain should not be an option as that was voted on in 2016
I do not understand why Mays deal would be included..
many of the things included in that deal were agreed between an under pressure to get some sort of deal PM
and EU negotiators who knew full well how weak her negotiating position was..
in a negotiation where the cards are stacked so heavily in your favour your going to give the absolute minimum , surely.?
and I do not see any reason why the EU would not want certain agreements with us the day after we leave any less than the day before.?
we voted leave and should leave, it in no way stops future arrangements, agreements or deals being made.
Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:24 am
Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:29 am
troobloo3339 wrote:I voted no
How ever i would be happy with a second vote
As we have voted out let the people vote on how we leave
So the vote should be on the following only
Teresa mays deal
A no deal
Simple remain should not be an option as that was voted on in 2016
Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:35 am
pembroke allan wrote:dogfound wrote:troobloo3339 wrote:I voted no
How ever i would be happy with a second vote
As we have voted out let the people vote on how we leave
So the vote should be on the following only
Teresa mays deal
A no deal
Simple remain should not be an option as that was voted on in 2016
I do not understand why Mays deal would be included..
many of the things included in that deal were agreed between an under pressure to get some sort of deal PM
and EU negotiators who knew full well how weak her negotiating position was..
in a negotiation where the cards are stacked so heavily in your favour your going to give the absolute minimum , surely.?
and I do not see any reason why the EU would not want certain agreements with us the day after we leave any less than the day before.?
we voted leave and should leave, it in no way stops future arrangements, agreements or deals being made.
EU have to make theses arrangements otherwise it's economy would collapse as tourist won't get to Spain ect wine won't get to France ect ect all these things will effect their economic stability more than ours that's for sure
Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:38 am
Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:45 am
powysblue wrote:Remember No deal is Better than a bad deal
powysblue wrote:Mrs May's DEAL is really a capitulation and was the plan all along to frustrate the people's wishes by the back door - How many times does she have to try and convince the Brexit voting electorate and the slippery politicians that this is deal brexit ? It is just trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes and what makes it particularly galling is that the political class think that the PLEBS (as they like to call the ordinary people) will fall for their tricks and lies.
powysblue wrote:Even if the only way, is another referendum, that will be rigged as well, with 3 questions on the ballot (1) leave the EU (2) leave the EU with Mrs May's Deal (3) stay in EU. - what the inevitable consequence of that would be, some leave voters would vote for Mrs May's deal just to get it "over and done with", whilst other leave voters would vote to leave again. The original Stay in EU voters would mostly vote to Stay - Thus, the leave Vote would be split and the stay vote would win - THE PLAN ALL ALONG.
powysblue wrote:Most, but not all, of the younger generation accuse the older generation of messing up their future? Do they really think that the older and mostly wiser, university of life oldies voted leave to mess up their future? NO, quite the opposite.
Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:03 am
WelshBluebird wrote:powysblue wrote:Remember No deal is Better than a bad deal
Simply not the case at all.
Hell even ignoring the issues that no deal would give (which are many), what exactly is wrong with the deal on the table now?powysblue wrote:Mrs May's DEAL is really a capitulation and was the plan all along to frustrate the people's wishes by the back door - How many times does she have to try and convince the Brexit voting electorate and the slippery politicians that this is deal brexit ? It is just trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes and what makes it particularly galling is that the political class think that the PLEBS (as they like to call the ordinary people) will fall for their tricks and lies.
You realise May's deal is pretty far towards the anti EU side than the remain side right?
No freedom of movement, no customs union etc etc. Pretty much everything to leave side wanted.
Seriously apart from the temp backstop (which is needed because we don't have the time to devise a proper solution to the NI border issue) and the payments to the EU (which were always going to be paid because we had made a commitment to paying them, you can't just decide you won't pay someone despite having a contract that says you would), I really don't see what leavers can complain about with it.powysblue wrote:Even if the only way, is another referendum, that will be rigged as well, with 3 questions on the ballot (1) leave the EU (2) leave the EU with Mrs May's Deal (3) stay in EU. - what the inevitable consequence of that would be, some leave voters would vote for Mrs May's deal just to get it "over and done with", whilst other leave voters would vote to leave again. The original Stay in EU voters would mostly vote to Stay - Thus, the leave Vote would be split and the stay vote would win - THE PLAN ALL ALONG.
But that is exactly the point. We have literally no idea of the kind of Brexit people want. Do people want a closer relationship with the EU such as Norway or Switzerland? Do they want a half way house like May's deal? Or do they want to leave with no deal regardless of consequence? We just do not know.powysblue wrote:Most, but not all, of the younger generation accuse the older generation of messing up their future? Do they really think that the older and mostly wiser, university of life oldies voted leave to mess up their future? NO, quite the opposite.
Yes.
Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:06 am
WelshBluebird wrote:powysblue wrote:Remember No deal is Better than a bad deal
Simply not the case at all.
Hell even ignoring the issues that no deal would give (which are many), what exactly is wrong with the deal on the table now?powysblue wrote:Mrs May's DEAL is really a capitulation and was the plan all along to frustrate the people's wishes by the back door - How many times does she have to try and convince the Brexit voting electorate and the slippery politicians that this is deal brexit ? It is just trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes and what makes it particularly galling is that the political class think that the PLEBS (as they like to call the ordinary people) will fall for their tricks and lies.
You realise May's deal is pretty far towards the anti EU side than the remain side right?
No freedom of movement, no customs union etc etc. Pretty much everything to leave side wanted.
Seriously apart from the temp backstop (which is needed because we don't have the time to devise a proper solution to the NI border issue) and the payments to the EU (which were always going to be paid because we had made a commitment to paying them, you can't just decide you won't pay someone despite having a contract that says you would), I really don't see what leavers can complain about with it.powysblue wrote:Even if the only way, is another referendum, that will be rigged as well, with 3 questions on the ballot (1) leave the EU (2) leave the EU with Mrs May's Deal (3) stay in EU. - what the inevitable consequence of that would be, some leave voters would vote for Mrs May's deal just to get it "over and done with", whilst other leave voters would vote to leave again. The original Stay in EU voters would mostly vote to Stay - Thus, the leave Vote would be split and the stay vote would win - THE PLAN ALL ALONG.
But that is exactly the point. We have literally no idea of the kind of Brexit people want. Do people want a closer relationship with the EU such as Norway or Switzerland? Do they want a half way house like May's deal? Or do they want to leave with no deal regardless of consequence? We just do not know.powysblue wrote:Most, but not all, of the younger generation accuse the older generation of messing up their future? Do they really think that the older and mostly wiser, university of life oldies voted leave to mess up their future? NO, quite the opposite.
Yes.
Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:10 am
pembroke allan wrote:A future in a federal Europe run by Germany and France with UK tagging along behind and Germans say jump we say how high! UK is an independent state do not want it to be part of a 40 countries state by time it's finished, with us having no say on immigration economic thing and no doubt be forced to join EU currency.. the list is endless.
Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:11 am
dogfound wrote:WE have literally no idea...correct you do not.
its hard to believe that a group of people that generally potray themselves as the nations brain trust can not grasp the meaning of a single word. LEAVE. but eh oh.
Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:38 am
Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:58 am
Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:The Second vote should be.
A. Remain in eu.
B. Leave with no deal.
Simple let’s see what the nation really wants.
Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:13 pm
Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:The Second vote should be.
A. Remain in eu.
B. Leave with no deal.
Simple let’s see what the nation really wants.
Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:27 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:The Second vote should be.
A. Remain in eu.
B. Leave with no deal.
Simple let’s see what the nation really wants.
Does'nt matter what the nation wants. If we voted for leave with no deal, there would have to be a third vote and however many more it would take until those with their paws in the gravy train get the result they want.
Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:27 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:The Second vote should be.
A. Remain in eu.
B. Leave with no deal.
Simple let’s see what the nation really wants.
Does'nt matter what the nation wants. If we voted for leave with no deal, there would have to be a third vote and however many more it would take until those with their paws in the gravy train get the result they want.
Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:29 pm
Bluebina wrote:That's the vote we've already had, Parliment won't follow the result though, they are stitching us up with a soft option or more likely referendum fixed for a no Brexit.
Steve Zodiak wrote:Does'nt matter what the nation wants. If we voted for leave with no deal, there would have to be a third vote and however many more it would take until those with their paws in the gravy train get the result they want.
Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:35 pm
WelshBluebird wrote:Bluebina wrote:That's the vote we've already had, Parliment won't follow the result though, they are stitching us up with a soft option or more likely referendum fixed for a no Brexit.