Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:46 pm
Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:47 pm
Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:48 pm
Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:49 pm
bluebird7291 wrote:Fantastic news
Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:51 pm
TopCat CCFC wrote:Worse than what they thought .
Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:51 pm
Sven wrote:AYES 202
NOES 432
A defeat by 230 votes
The Government's Brexit Bill is defeated and Jeremy Corbyn has tabled a 'Vote of No Confidence' in the Government
If the vote goes against the Government, Theresa May HAS to resign
A historic (if not surprising) and decisive night in British politics!
Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:52 pm
pembroke allan wrote:bluebird7291 wrote:Fantastic news
Who for? The mps who want to destroy the democratic will of the people?
Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:56 pm
Sven wrote:TopCat CCFC wrote:Worse than what they thought .
Tony, indeed it is and I think it will surprise many insiders, too (MP's, Press, etc.)
I'm surprised she hasn't gone already but I guess the night is young
Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:57 pm
bluebird7291 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird7291 wrote:Fantastic news
Who for? The mps who want to destroy the democratic will of the people?
We vote a government in to do the best for the country. And the biggest impact on our country for decades have been put in the hands of plumbers, postmen etc.
When the average Joe doesn't really have any idea of the potential impact on their lives.
If you was a plumber you wouldn't ask the house holder what tool to use on a job just to see if they can guess right.
Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:57 pm
Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:59 pm
Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:00 pm
bluebird7291 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird7291 wrote:Fantastic news
Who for? The mps who want to destroy the democratic will of the people?
We vote a government in to do the best for the country. And the biggest impact on our country for decades have been put in the hands of plumbers, postmen etc.
When the average Joe doesn't really have any idea of the potential impact on their lives.
If you was a plumber you wouldn't ask the house holder what tool to use on a job just to see if they can guess right.
Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:00 pm
Melsuttonholyboots wrote:Wouldn't trust corbin.
Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:01 pm
pembroke allan wrote:bluebird7291 wrote:Fantastic news
Who for? The MP's who want to destroy the democratic will of the people?
Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:04 pm
dogfound wrote:bluebird7291 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird7291 wrote:Fantastic news
Who for? The mps who want to destroy the democratic will of the people?
We vote a government in to do the best for the country. And the biggest impact on our country for decades have been put in the hands of plumbers, postmen etc.
When the average Joe doesn't really have any idea of the potential impact on their lives.
If you was a plumber you wouldn't ask the house holder what tool to use on a job just to see if they can guess right.
so the public are allowed an opinion on somethings..like which tools we use to run the country.
but not on other things. decided by...you ?
Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:07 pm
Sven wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird7291 wrote:Fantastic news
Who for? The MP's who want to destroy the democratic will of the people?
No, the ones who have stood up to a deal that is clearly in no one's interests other than the EU itself
I guess this will open up the debate (on here) again but the result is more decisive than anyone thought with Theresa May and her backers expecting/hoping the gap to be as low as (or less than) 50
The democratic 'will of the people' was to "leave the EU" and (dress it up as you like) that wasn't what the Maybot was proposing, was it?
Some tough times/negotiations ahead (at home and abroad) but the MP's have sent a resounding message to anyone who thinks the UK Government will be 'fudged' into a deal neither side has confidence in
Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:11 pm
Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:14 pm
Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:15 pm
bluebird7291 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird7291 wrote:Fantastic news
Who for? The mps who want to destroy the democratic will of the people?
We vote a government in to do the best for the country. And the biggest impact on our country for decades have been put in the hands of plumbers, postmen etc.
When the average Joe doesn't really have any idea of the potential impact on their lives.
If you was a plumber you wouldn't ask the house holder what tool to use on a job just to see if they can guess right.
Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:15 pm
thomasblue wrote:The 202 MPs should be sacked, they have a duty to deliver the will of the people
The country voted to leave. The deal did not allow that so this was the best outcome for the Leave camp
Backing that deal was keeping us in the EU through the back door
No deal is the only way now
Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:17 pm
Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:18 pm
Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:18 pm
Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:18 pm
TopCat CCFC wrote:Sven wrote:TopCat CCFC wrote:Worse than what they thought .
Tony, indeed it is and I think it will surprise many insiders, too (MP's, Press, etc.)
I'm surprised she hasn't gone already but I guess the night is young
The night is still young Chris - But i think she will stay. The lady just won't give in .
Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:22 pm
dogfound wrote:thomasblue wrote:The 202 MPs should be sacked, they have a duty to deliver the will of the people
The country voted to leave. The deal did not allow that so this was the best outcome for the Leave camp
Backing that deal was keeping us in the EU through the back door
No deal is the only way now
not as simple as that, many of the 432 are remainers who do not want us to leave and many of the 202 voted for the deal because in their opinions it was the only way to get any sort of Brexit..
Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:22 pm
2blue2handle wrote:Stupid we had to wait so long for a vote that was never going to be accepted. Just more delays.
Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:24 pm
Sven wrote:TopCat CCFC wrote:Sven wrote:TopCat CCFC wrote:Worse than what they thought .
Tony, indeed it is and I think it will surprise many insiders, too (MP's, Press, etc.)
I'm surprised she hasn't gone already but I guess the night is young
The night is still young Chris - But i think she will stay. The lady just won't give in .
Tony, a good friend of mine is with the Chaplaincy and one of his own friends/colleagues is Theresa May's vicar and close friend. When I suggested she should go with a heavy defeat, he said they'd had that conversation and her priest called her "an incredibly honourable lady, whose sense of duty would make her want to see it through" and he believed she would fight all the way
I do actually have some sympathy for her. Cameron dropped her in it, Boris and the sychophantic Gove plus her own stubbornness perpetuated the situation. But a loss in the 'no confidence' vote tomorrow would mean she has to go under the format/rules of that vote
Early suggestions are that the DUP will NOT vote against the Government, so the possibility of her winning that and remaining (excuse the pun) will be higher. Like you, I don't think she will take the decision herself, having stated previously she wants to "see it through before standing down at the next election"
Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:25 pm
thomasblue wrote:dogfound wrote:thomasblue wrote:The 202 MPs should be sacked, they have a duty to deliver the will of the people
The country voted to leave. The deal did not allow that so this was the best outcome for the Leave camp
Backing that deal was keeping us in the EU through the back door
No deal is the only way now
not as simple as that, many of the 432 are remainers who do not want us to leave and many of the 202 voted for the deal because in their opinions it was the only way to get any sort of Brexit..
The only deal is no deal. The EU has made it that way by trying bullying tactics. We now need to call there bluff.
The only thing the MPs need to do is allow us to leave the EU with all our law making, Finances and border controls under our own control.
If the EU will not allow it we leave and go our seperate ways.
People underestimate how strong this country is
Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:30 pm
Sven wrote:TopCat CCFC wrote:Sven wrote:TopCat CCFC wrote:Worse than what they thought .
Tony, indeed it is and I think it will surprise many insiders, too (MP's, Press, etc.)
I'm surprised she hasn't gone already but I guess the night is young
The night is still young Chris - But i think she will stay. The lady just won't give in .
Tony, a good friend of mine is with the Chaplaincy and one of his own friends/colleagues is Theresa May's vicar and close friend. When I suggested she should go with a heavy defeat, he said they'd had that conversation and her priest called her "an incredibly honourable lady, whose sense of duty would make her want to see it through" and he believed she would fight all the way
I do actually have some sympathy for her. Cameron dropped her in it, Boris and the sychophantic Gove plus her own stubbornness perpetuated the situation. But a loss in the 'no confidence' vote tomorrow would mean she has to go under the format/rules of that vote
Early suggestions are that the DUP will NOT vote against the Government, so the possibility of her winning that and remaining (excuse the pun) will be higher. Like you, I don't think she will take the decision herself, having stated previously she wants to "see it through before standing down at the next election"
Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:33 pm
dogfound wrote:Sven wrote:TopCat CCFC wrote:Sven wrote:TopCat CCFC wrote:Worse than what they thought .
Tony, indeed it is and I think it will surprise many insiders, too (MP's, Press, etc.)
I'm surprised she hasn't gone already but I guess the night is young
The night is still young Chris - But i think she will stay. The lady just won't give in .
Tony, a good friend of mine is with the Chaplaincy and one of his own friends/colleagues is Theresa May's vicar and close friend. When I suggested she should go with a heavy defeat, he said they'd had that conversation and her priest called her "an incredibly honourable lady, whose sense of duty would make her want to see it through" and he believed she would fight all the way
I do actually have some sympathy for her. Cameron dropped her in it, Boris and the sychophantic Gove plus her own stubbornness perpetuated the situation. But a loss in the 'no confidence' vote tomorrow would mean she has to go under the format/rules of that vote
Early suggestions are that the DUP will NOT vote against the Government, so the possibility of her winning that and remaining (excuse the pun) will be higher. Like you, I don't think she will take the decision herself, having stated previously she wants to "see it through before standing down at the next election"
the problem is though what she sees as being honourable and her duty are based on not wanting to leave the EU to start with.
and there lies the problem. the day after the vote people who had fought for the leave campaign should have been the ones following it through.