Dave67 wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:They are trying to push us into a second referendum.
Source: The Evening Standard 5 September 2018The Evening Standard wrote:Brexit news latest: Brits would vote 59-41 to remain in EU if second referendum was held, new poll shows
Dave67 wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:As i said above, we will have another vote. The last one was said to be a once in a lifetime vote according to all involved, and the people had their say. If "leave" win the next one, I am sure the remainers will want a best of five once in a lifetime vote.
If you know the result won't change then surely it is not a problem for you.
The result of the first referendum was 51.9% to 48.1% hardly overwhelming.
People are far better informed now of the consequences of BREXIT than they were last time.
and you can put your mortgage on a Leave win and clean up with the bookies. Unless of course you think a better informed public would vote differently?
City Slicker wrote:Dave67 wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:As i said above, we will have another vote. The last one was said to be a once in a lifetime vote according to all involved, and the people had their say. If "leave" win the next one, I am sure the remainers will want a best of five once in a lifetime vote.
If you know the result won't change then surely it is not a problem for you.
The result of the first referendum was 51.9% to 48.1% hardly overwhelming.
People are far better informed now of the consequences of BREXIT than they were last time.
and you can put your mortgage on a Leave win and clean up with the bookies. Unless of course you think a better informed public would vote differently?
And the vote in 2016 was a second vote anyway so it set a precedent for multiple referendums.
Jock wrote:City Slicker wrote:Dave67 wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:As i said above, we will have another vote. The last one was said to be a once in a lifetime vote according to all involved, and the people had their say. If "leave" win the next one, I am sure the remainers will want a best of five once in a lifetime vote.
If you know the result won't change then surely it is not a problem for you.
The result of the first referendum was 51.9% to 48.1% hardly overwhelming.
People are far better informed now of the consequences of BREXIT than they were last time.
and you can put your mortgage on a Leave win and clean up with the bookies. Unless of course you think a better informed public would vote differently?
And the vote in 2016 was a second vote anyway so it set a precedent for multiple referendums.
We voted for the Common Market not a federal Eurostate ran by the likes of Junkers as for your better informed dig surely uneducated Brexiteer Voters, like myself, still don’t understand what we’re voting for. We need clever people like you to guide us. Clever people who think they’re voting for the status quo not a block that will decrease the power of individual nation states, who already have a Euro Chancellor with powers to influence sovereign countries fiscal policies, who are demanding control of member states borders, who want an EU Army and who absolutely despise this country and it’s people.
llan bluebird wrote:Any democracy reserves the rights to change their minds.
With that in mind if we have a 3rd referendum on membership of the EU and we vote to remain, how often should the population be polled to ensure they haven't further changed their minds ?
Should there be a fixed term for instance every 5 years ?
City Slicker wrote:Jock wrote:City Slicker wrote:Dave67 wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:As i said above, we will have another vote. The last one was said to be a once in a lifetime vote according to all involved, and the people had their say. If "leave" win the next one, I am sure the remainers will want a best of five once in a lifetime vote.
If you know the result won't change then surely it is not a problem for you.
The result of the first referendum was 51.9% to 48.1% hardly overwhelming.
People are far better informed now of the consequences of BREXIT than they were last time.
and you can put your mortgage on a Leave win and clean up with the bookies. Unless of course you think a better informed public would vote differently?
And the vote in 2016 was a second vote anyway so it set a precedent for multiple referendums.
We voted for the Common Market not a federal Eurostate ran by the likes of Junkers as for your better informed dig surely uneducated Brexiteer Voters, like myself, still don’t understand what we’re voting for. We need clever people like you to guide us. Clever people who think they’re voting for the status quo not a block that will decrease the power of individual nation states, who already have a Euro Chancellor with powers to influence sovereign countries fiscal policies, who are demanding control of member states borders, who want an EU Army and who absolutely despise this country and it’s people.
I never thought I was voting for the status quo when I voted Remain. I was fully aware the final destination would be a federal Europe.
City Slicker wrote:Jock wrote:City Slicker wrote:Dave67 wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:As i said above, we will have another vote. The last one was said to be a once in a lifetime vote according to all involved, and the people had their say. If "leave" win the next one, I am sure the remainers will want a best of five once in a lifetime vote.
If you know the result won't change then surely it is not a problem for you.
The result of the first referendum was 51.9% to 48.1% hardly overwhelming.
People are far better informed now of the consequences of BREXIT than they were last time.
and you can put your mortgage on a Leave win and clean up with the bookies. Unless of course you think a better informed public would vote differently?
And the vote in 2016 was a second vote anyway so it set a precedent for multiple referendums.
We voted for the Common Market not a federal Eurostate ran by the likes of Junkers as for your better informed dig surely uneducated Brexiteer Voters, like myself, still don’t understand what we’re voting for. We need clever people like you to guide us. Clever people who think they’re voting for the status quo not a block that will decrease the power of individual nation states, who already have a Euro Chancellor with powers to influence sovereign countries fiscal policies, who are demanding control of member states borders, who want an EU Army and who absolutely despise this country and it’s people.
I never thought I was voting for the status quo when I voted Remain. I was fully aware the final destination would be a federal Europe.
Dave67 wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:Yes, very subtle Dave..any more?
Bananas wrote:Never mind Fekin Brexit, roll on Wexit. Wales part of a strong European Union and Fek the English once and for all
Dave67 wrote:rumpo kid wrote:Yes, very subtle Dave..any more?
My source is the BBC and the Cambridgeshire Police.
Are you really trying to suggest that "Polish Workers taking our Jobs" was not a factor in the referendum?
Dave67 wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:We kept it for years after that for treason and another offence till it was eventually binned as an option by a Jack Straw agreement with the EU. Interestingly, we could bring it back once we leave if we want to, but that's by the way .
Treason was not punishable by the death penalty, High Treason was the crime you are referring to. Not sure what it adds to the greater point but you seemed to want to get the facts straight.SirJimmySchoular wrote:It certainly is undemocratic to hold a vote as we did on leaving the EU then try to ignore the outcome, but it's not undemocratic to ignore popular opinions which have not been put to a vote though
A second referendum is not ignoring the first, quite the contrary. It would be the only legitimate way of addressing a change in public opinion in light of the events that followed first referendum.
If you accept that a referendum was an appropriate method for making the decision then I fail to see how it is not an appropriate method for reviewing the decision.
This leaves the point that it is undemocratic to review the decision. I fail to see how asking the public what they think undemocratic. In 1973 67% voted to join the Common Market was is undemocratic to hold a referendum to leave?
SirJimmySchoular wrote:The comparison with the fact that this referendum contradicted the one in 1973 is entirely preposterous !
It was a different question for a start wasn't it ?
1975 Referendum Question wrote:The Government has announced the results of the renegotiation of the United Kingdom's terms of membership of the European Community.
Do you think that the United Kingdom should stay in the European Community (the Common Market)?
permitting a simple YES / NO answer (to be marked with a single (X)).
1975 Referendum Question wrote:Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?
with the responses to the question to be (to be marked with a single (X)):
Remain a member of the European Union
Leave the European Union
SirJimmySchoular wrote:Well you're quite wrong about treason, and trying to distinguish between high treason and low treason has been somewhat pointless since 1351. If you'd like to know , they could technically have beheaded you for that up till 1973, and the other offence for which the death penalty was retained was military arson , ( " burning the Queens ships in her arsenals " I think.
I agree that it's got bugger all to do with the subject but since you were the one who raised it, your comment seems strange.
rumpo kid wrote:The only one banging on about Polish workers is you my friend. Stick to facts, not base propaganda.
Dave67 wrote:rumpo kid wrote:The only one banging on about Polish workers is you my friend. Stick to facts, not base propaganda.
The Daily Express
There are plenty more where that came from - but i suspect you know that.
Dave67 wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:The comparison with the fact that this referendum contradicted the one in 1973 is entirely preposterous !
It was a different question for a start wasn't it ?
Errrrm.... no it wasn't.
you might want to do a simple google check before using emotive terms like preposterous.1975 Referendum Question wrote:The Government has announced the results of the renegotiation of the United Kingdom's terms of membership of the European Community.
Do you think that the United Kingdom should stay in the European Community (the Common Market)?
permitting a simple YES / NO answer (to be marked with a single (X)).1975 Referendum Question wrote:Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?
with the responses to the question to be (to be marked with a single (X)):
Remain a member of the European Union
Leave the European Union
paulh_85 wrote:Dave67 wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:The comparison with the fact that this referendum contradicted the one in 1973 is entirely preposterous !
It was a different question for a start wasn't it ?
Errrrm.... no it wasn't.
you might want to do a simple google check before using emotive terms like preposterous.1975 Referendum Question wrote:The Government has announced the results of the renegotiation of the United Kingdom's terms of membership of the European Community.
Do you think that the United Kingdom should stay in the European Community (the Common Market)?
permitting a simple YES / NO answer (to be marked with a single (X)).1975 Referendum Question wrote:Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?
with the responses to the question to be (to be marked with a single (X)):
Remain a member of the European Union
Leave the European Union
i mean... you sort of answered it in your first post.
the vote in 1973 wasnt for the EU we currently have - we had no vote on that.
Steve Zodiak wrote:paulh_85 wrote:Dave67 wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:The comparison with the fact that this referendum contradicted the one in 1973 is entirely preposterous !
It was a different question for a start wasn't it ?
Errrrm.... no it wasn't.
you might want to do a simple google check before using emotive terms like preposterous.1975 Referendum Question wrote:The Government has announced the results of the renegotiation of the United Kingdom's terms of membership of the European Community.
Do you think that the United Kingdom should stay in the European Community (the Common Market)?
permitting a simple YES / NO answer (to be marked with a single (X)).1975 Referendum Question wrote:Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?
with the responses to the question to be (to be marked with a single (X)):
Remain a member of the European Union
Leave the European Union
i mean... you sort of answered it in your first post.
the vote in 1973 wasnt for the EU we currently have - we had no vote on that.
I voted back in the 70's in favour of remaining. I think we had stopped calling it the Common Market by then, and it was now the European Economic Community. The name sort of gives itself away as to what we were voting for back then. Nothing about handing over law making powers to unelected bureaucrats or being told we can't deport people preaching hate on the streets of Britain while being wanted for terrorist offences overseas. No talk of a European superstate back then, it was all about economics and made perfect sense at the time. If I had known what it was going to turn into, I would have voted leave, and I suspect so would a lot of others.
Sven wrote:He meant 'on this thread' but you already know that, agenda-laden fella!
You're having a bit of a 'mare here trying to justify your post(s) when it would have been easier to let it go!
As for 'jobless' Britons, you might want to consider that the state system that often (not always) rewards cheats, the lazy and the feckless (often missing out those in real need) means that those same people get the same (or more!) money for NOT working, so they are unwilling to do the 'menial' tasks that the Poles seem to accept and often excel at!
You brought up Polish workers when the OP was about whether Brexit is being sorted out by the EU itself rather than the UK Government (some) elected to carry it out
Since then, all you have tried to do is perpetuate your unwarranted and flawed comments.
If it helps, I have some good Polish friends who would be more than prepared to (amicably) discuss your views and opinions on their worth to the UK economy and share their views on why many Brits won't (not can't) do the same!
pembroke allan wrote:As for better informed on what?
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