Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:55 pm
jimmy_rat wrote:Bob bank mason wrote:I have wanted tan out since day 1. Nothing but a lil pussy ass
Maybe he'll fight you?
Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:15 pm
TAP_Sheep wrote:JB1 wrote:People keep referring to us overspending on players last time we were in the Premier League. Apart from Cornelius, who was a bad expensive buy? The other players who cost a lot - Caulker and Medel, I'm pretty sure we got our money back on. This season we've spent a lot on Murphy and Reid, hopefully they will be good investments and do well for us. But, until they do I don't think Tan can go on about spending wisely. Of our most expensive signings last season Tomlin's not even in the squad and the jury's still out on Madine, although some have already made their minds up. I think Tan should move on and accept that sometimes managers buy bad players.
Totally agree with this. Brayford and Cornelius the stand out players. £2.5m and Cornelius for reported £8m. You can count wages on top of that but £10.5m in transfer fees that didn't go right isn't really that bad - see Leicester spending around £30m on a striker that failed. I think the main problem Tan had was the agency fees which were supposedly much more than they ought to be and it seemed to be the same agent apparently.
I think OGS did much more damage than Malky ever did. Paying large fees and then ending up paying them off after a failed promotion push. At least with the players you mentioned, we made profit or our money back on most of the players Malky brought in.
Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:23 pm
Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:40 pm
maccydee wrote:JB1 wrote:People keep referring to us overspending on players last time we were in the Premier League. Apart from Cornelius, who was a bad expensive buy? The other players who cost a lot - Caulker and Medel, I'm pretty sure we got our money back on. This season we've spent a lot on Murphy and Reid, hopefully they will be good investments and do well for us. But, until they do I don't think Tan can go on about spending wisely. Of our most expensive signings last season Tomlin's not even in the squad and the jury's still out on Madine, although some have already made their minds up. I think Tan should move on and accept that sometimes managers buy bad players.
Brayford was signed for 2.5 million didn’t play.
Previous season lots of players were signed for around that price that were sold for a lot less or even for nowt.
Of course Acorn was the stand out but lots of money was wasted.
Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:43 pm
JB1 wrote:maccydee wrote:JB1 wrote:People keep referring to us overspending on players last time we were in the Premier League. Apart from Cornelius, who was a bad expensive buy? The other players who cost a lot - Caulker and Medel, I'm pretty sure we got our money back on. This season we've spent a lot on Murphy and Reid, hopefully they will be good investments and do well for us. But, until they do I don't think Tan can go on about spending wisely. Of our most expensive signings last season Tomlin's not even in the squad and the jury's still out on Madine, although some have already made their minds up. I think Tan should move on and accept that sometimes managers buy bad players.
Brayford was signed for 2.5 million didn’t play.
Previous season lots of players were signed for around that price that were sold for a lot less or even for nowt.
Of course Acorn was the stand out but lots of money was wasted.
Brayford cost us £1.5m, played for us 28 times and we sold him for £1.5m.
Lauded as on of the best full backs in the championship when we bought him. Couldn't get in the team in the Premier League because 'his head wasn't in the right place'
Not what I would call a bad buy or a bad player. Just didn't work out for him, as so often it doesn't for some players.
Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:51 pm
TAP_Sheep wrote:JB1 wrote:People keep referring to us overspending on players last time we were in the Premier League. Apart from Cornelius, who was a bad expensive buy? The other players who cost a lot - Caulker and Medel, I'm pretty sure we got our money back on. This season we've spent a lot on Murphy and Reid, hopefully they will be good investments and do well for us. But, until they do I don't think Tan can go on about spending wisely. Of our most expensive signings last season Tomlin's not even in the squad and the jury's still out on Madine, although some have already made their minds up. I think Tan should move on and accept that sometimes managers buy bad players.
Totally agree with this. Brayford and Cornelius the stand out players. £2.5m and Cornelius for reported £8m. You can count wages on top of that but £10.5m in transfer fees that didn't go right isn't really that bad - see Leicester spending around £30m on a striker that failed. I think the main problem Tan had was the agency fees which were supposedly much more than they ought to be and it seemed to be the same agent apparently.
I think OGS did much more damage than Malky ever did. Paying large fees and then ending up paying them off after a failed promotion push. At least with the players you mentioned, we made profit or our money back on most of the players Malky brought in.
Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:14 am
maccydee wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:JB1 wrote:People keep referring to us overspending on players last time we were in the Premier League. Apart from Cornelius, who was a bad expensive buy? The other players who cost a lot - Caulker and Medel, I'm pretty sure we got our money back on. This season we've spent a lot on Murphy and Reid, hopefully they will be good investments and do well for us. But, until they do I don't think Tan can go on about spending wisely. Of our most expensive signings last season Tomlin's not even in the squad and the jury's still out on Madine, although some have already made their minds up. I think Tan should move on and accept that sometimes managers buy bad players.
Totally agree with this. Brayford and Cornelius the stand out players. £2.5m and Cornelius for reported £8m. You can count wages on top of that but £10.5m in transfer fees that didn't go right isn't really that bad - see Leicester spending around £30m on a striker that failed. I think the main problem Tan had was the agency fees which were supposedly much more than they ought to be and it seemed to be the same agent apparently.
I think OGS did much more damage than Malky ever did. Paying large fees and then ending up paying them off after a failed promotion push. At least with the players you mentioned, we made profit or our money back on most of the players Malky brought in.
Simply not true.
We made our money back or profited on a few of Malky’s signings.
Joe Mason
Jordan Mutch
Gary Medel
Caulker
Campbell.
This was less than 20% of the transfers made.
Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:16 am
dogfound wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:JB1 wrote:People keep referring to us overspending on players last time we were in the Premier League. Apart from Cornelius, who was a bad expensive buy? The other players who cost a lot - Caulker and Medel, I'm pretty sure we got our money back on. This season we've spent a lot on Murphy and Reid, hopefully they will be good investments and do well for us. But, until they do I don't think Tan can go on about spending wisely. Of our most expensive signings last season Tomlin's not even in the squad and the jury's still out on Madine, although some have already made their minds up. I think Tan should move on and accept that sometimes managers buy bad players.
Totally agree with this. Brayford and Cornelius the stand out players. £2.5m and Cornelius for reported £8m. You can count wages on top of that but £10.5m in transfer fees that didn't go right isn't really that bad - see Leicester spending around £30m on a striker that failed. I think the main problem Tan had was the agency fees which were supposedly much more than they ought to be and it seemed to be the same agent apparently.
I think OGS did much more damage than Malky ever did. Paying large fees and then ending up paying them off after a failed promotion push. At least with the players you mentioned, we made profit or our money back on most of the players Malky brought in.
thats not how our owner sees it..
what the league champions paying 30 mill for a striker has to do with another clubs first top tier transfer in 50 years goodness knows. but it wasnt just that transfer..it was the add ons agents fees etc.etc..everyone knows so why pretend differently.
Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:25 am
maccydee wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:JB1 wrote:People keep referring to us overspending on players last time we were in the Premier League. Apart from Cornelius, who was a bad expensive buy? The other players who cost a lot - Caulker and Medel, I'm pretty sure we got our money back on. This season we've spent a lot on Murphy and Reid, hopefully they will be good investments and do well for us. But, until they do I don't think Tan can go on about spending wisely. Of our most expensive signings last season Tomlin's not even in the squad and the jury's still out on Madine, although some have already made their minds up. I think Tan should move on and accept that sometimes managers buy bad players.
Totally agree with this. Brayford and Cornelius the stand out players. £2.5m and Cornelius for reported £8m. You can count wages on top of that but £10.5m in transfer fees that didn't go right isn't really that bad - see Leicester spending around £30m on a striker that failed. I think the main problem Tan had was the agency fees which were supposedly much more than they ought to be and it seemed to be the same agent apparently.
I think OGS did much more damage than Malky ever did. Paying large fees and then ending up paying them off after a failed promotion push. At least with the players you mentioned, we made profit or our money back on most of the players Malky brought in.
Simply not true.
We made our money back or profited on a few of Malky’s signings.
Joe Mason
Jordan Mutch
Gary Medel
Caulker
Campbell.
This was less than 20% of the transfers made.
Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:21 am
TAP_Sheep wrote:maccydee wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:JB1 wrote:People keep referring to us overspending on players last time we were in the Premier League. Apart from Cornelius, who was a bad expensive buy? The other players who cost a lot - Caulker and Medel, I'm pretty sure we got our money back on. This season we've spent a lot on Murphy and Reid, hopefully they will be good investments and do well for us. But, until they do I don't think Tan can go on about spending wisely. Of our most expensive signings last season Tomlin's not even in the squad and the jury's still out on Madine, although some have already made their minds up. I think Tan should move on and accept that sometimes managers buy bad players.
Totally agree with this. Brayford and Cornelius the stand out players. £2.5m and Cornelius for reported £8m. You can count wages on top of that but £10.5m in transfer fees that didn't go right isn't really that bad - see Leicester spending around £30m on a striker that failed. I think the main problem Tan had was the agency fees which were supposedly much more than they ought to be and it seemed to be the same agent apparently.
I think OGS did much more damage than Malky ever did. Paying large fees and then ending up paying them off after a failed promotion push. At least with the players you mentioned, we made profit or our money back on most of the players Malky brought in.
Simply not true.
We made our money back or profited on a few of Malky’s signings.
Joe Mason
Jordan Mutch
Gary Medel
Caulker
Campbell.
This was less than 20% of the transfers made.
Which is exactly the point I made??
Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:26 am
TAP_Sheep wrote:maccydee wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:JB1 wrote:People keep referring to us overspending on players last time we were in the Premier League. Apart from Cornelius, who was a bad expensive buy? The other players who cost a lot - Caulker and Medel, I'm pretty sure we got our money back on. This season we've spent a lot on Murphy and Reid, hopefully they will be good investments and do well for us. But, until they do I don't think Tan can go on about spending wisely. Of our most expensive signings last season Tomlin's not even in the squad and the jury's still out on Madine, although some have already made their minds up. I think Tan should move on and accept that sometimes managers buy bad players.
Totally agree with this. Brayford and Cornelius the stand out players. £2.5m and Cornelius for reported £8m. You can count wages on top of that but £10.5m in transfer fees that didn't go right isn't really that bad - see Leicester spending around £30m on a striker that failed. I think the main problem Tan had was the agency fees which were supposedly much more than they ought to be and it seemed to be the same agent apparently.
I think OGS did much more damage than Malky ever did. Paying large fees and then ending up paying them off after a failed promotion push. At least with the players you mentioned, we made profit or our money back on most of the players Malky brought in.
Simply not true.
We made our money back or profited on a few of Malky’s signings.
Joe Mason
Jordan Mutch
Gary Medel
Caulker
Campbell.
This was less than 20% of the transfers made.
Sorry re-read this back. Think you have to see that the first season Malky was in we basically picked up free agents because we had a thread bare squad and still made the League Cup Final and play offs. Bringing in nice little revenue.
The promotion season we spent a fair bit but made money on Campbell, Mason, Mutch in the end. Bellamy retired, Connolly still around. Were unlucky with Maynard injury. The rest were essentially free agents or small fees.
The Prem season we eventually made money on or got money back or Medel, Caulker, Moore, Rudy Gestede.
The amount of players the bloke had to sign after inheriting around 11 players when he came in means there's going to be a higher chance of unsuccessful transfers (due to the HUGE numbers of transfers he had to make. But for the most part we didn't spend huge money on flops. Only Cornelius - which at £8.5m was hardly a huge sum. Just blown out of proportion to play the blame game.
Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:27 am
TAP_Sheep wrote:dogfound wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:JB1 wrote:People keep referring to us overspending on players last time we were in the Premier League. Apart from Cornelius, who was a bad expensive buy? The other players who cost a lot - Caulker and Medel, I'm pretty sure we got our money back on. This season we've spent a lot on Murphy and Reid, hopefully they will be good investments and do well for us. But, until they do I don't think Tan can go on about spending wisely. Of our most expensive signings last season Tomlin's not even in the squad and the jury's still out on Madine, although some have already made their minds up. I think Tan should move on and accept that sometimes managers buy bad players.
Totally agree with this. Brayford and Cornelius the stand out players. £2.5m and Cornelius for reported £8m. You can count wages on top of that but £10.5m in transfer fees that didn't go right isn't really that bad - see Leicester spending around £30m on a striker that failed. I think the main problem Tan had was the agency fees which were supposedly much more than they ought to be and it seemed to be the same agent apparently.
I think OGS did much more damage than Malky ever did. Paying large fees and then ending up paying them off after a failed promotion push. At least with the players you mentioned, we made profit or our money back on most of the players Malky brought in.
thats not how our owner sees it..
what the league champions paying 30 mill for a striker has to do with another clubs first top tier transfer in 50 years goodness knows. but it wasnt just that transfer..it was the add ons agents fees etc.etc..everyone knows so why pretend differently.
Agents fees is exactly what I said was the downfall. My point being an £8.5m teenager flopping is hardly a huge event in this current market. Villa spent £80m to get promoted and still haven't. Stoke had £20m players and went down. Do you see their owners disgracing Pulis, Hughes at every opportunity? It's football. It happens.
Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:57 am
TAP_Sheep wrote:dogfound wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:JB1 wrote:People keep referring to us overspending on players last time we were in the Premier League. Apart from Cornelius, who was a bad expensive buy? The other players who cost a lot - Caulker and Medel, I'm pretty sure we got our money back on. This season we've spent a lot on Murphy and Reid, hopefully they will be good investments and do well for us. But, until they do I don't think Tan can go on about spending wisely. Of our most expensive signings last season Tomlin's not even in the squad and the jury's still out on Madine, although some have already made their minds up. I think Tan should move on and accept that sometimes managers buy bad players.
Totally agree with this. Brayford and Cornelius the stand out players. £2.5m and Cornelius for reported £8m. You can count wages on top of that but £10.5m in transfer fees that didn't go right isn't really that bad - see Leicester spending around £30m on a striker that failed. I think the main problem Tan had was the agency fees which were supposedly much more than they ought to be and it seemed to be the same agent apparently.
I think OGS did much more damage than Malky ever did. Paying large fees and then ending up paying them off after a failed promotion push. At least with the players you mentioned, we made profit or our money back on most of the players Malky brought in.
thats not how our owner sees it..
what the league champions paying 30 mill for a striker has to do with another clubs first top tier transfer in 50 years goodness knows. but it wasnt just that transfer..it was the add ons agents fees etc.etc..everyone knows so why pretend differently.
Agents fees is exactly what I said was the downfall. My point being an £8.5m teenager flopping is hardly a huge event in this current market. Villa spent £80m to get promoted and still haven't. Stoke had £20m players and went down. Do you see their owners disgracing Pulis, Hughes at every opportunity? It's football. It happens.
Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:13 pm
maccydee wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:maccydee wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:JB1 wrote:People keep referring to us overspending on players last time we were in the Premier League. Apart from Cornelius, who was a bad expensive buy? The other players who cost a lot - Caulker and Medel, I'm pretty sure we got our money back on. This season we've spent a lot on Murphy and Reid, hopefully they will be good investments and do well for us. But, until they do I don't think Tan can go on about spending wisely. Of our most expensive signings last season Tomlin's not even in the squad and the jury's still out on Madine, although some have already made their minds up. I think Tan should move on and accept that sometimes managers buy bad players.
Totally agree with this. Brayford and Cornelius the stand out players. £2.5m and Cornelius for reported £8m. You can count wages on top of that but £10.5m in transfer fees that didn't go right isn't really that bad - see Leicester spending around £30m on a striker that failed. I think the main problem Tan had was the agency fees which were supposedly much more than they ought to be and it seemed to be the same agent apparently.
I think OGS did much more damage than Malky ever did. Paying large fees and then ending up paying them off after a failed promotion push. At least with the players you mentioned, we made profit or our money back on most of the players Malky brought in.
Simply not true.
We made our money back or profited on a few of Malky’s signings.
Joe Mason
Jordan Mutch
Gary Medel
Caulker
Campbell.
This was less than 20% of the transfers made.
Sorry re-read this back. Think you have to see that the first season Malky was in we basically picked up free agents because we had a thread bare squad and still made the League Cup Final and play offs. Bringing in nice little revenue.
The promotion season we spent a fair bit but made money on Campbell, Mason, Mutch in the end. Bellamy retired, Connolly still around. Were unlucky with Maynard injury. The rest were essentially free agents or small fees.
The Prem season we eventually made money on or got money back or Medel, Caulker, Moore, Rudy Gestede.
The amount of players the bloke had to sign after inheriting around 11 players when he came in means there's going to be a higher chance of unsuccessful transfers (due to the HUGE numbers of transfers he had to make. But for the most part we didn't spend huge money on flops. Only Cornelius - which at £8.5m was hardly a huge sum. Just blown out of proportion to play the blame game.
8.5 was a lot at the time.
Money has gone through the roof now.
Lost money on Medel.
You are right about free transfers but how many did we make money on?
Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:20 pm
maccydee wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:maccydee wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:JB1 wrote:People keep referring to us overspending on players last time we were in the Premier League. Apart from Cornelius, who was a bad expensive buy? The other players who cost a lot - Caulker and Medel, I'm pretty sure we got our money back on. This season we've spent a lot on Murphy and Reid, hopefully they will be good investments and do well for us. But, until they do I don't think Tan can go on about spending wisely. Of our most expensive signings last season Tomlin's not even in the squad and the jury's still out on Madine, although some have already made their minds up. I think Tan should move on and accept that sometimes managers buy bad players.
Totally agree with this. Brayford and Cornelius the stand out players. £2.5m and Cornelius for reported £8m. You can count wages on top of that but £10.5m in transfer fees that didn't go right isn't really that bad - see Leicester spending around £30m on a striker that failed. I think the main problem Tan had was the agency fees which were supposedly much more than they ought to be and it seemed to be the same agent apparently.
I think OGS did much more damage than Malky ever did. Paying large fees and then ending up paying them off after a failed promotion push. At least with the players you mentioned, we made profit or our money back on most of the players Malky brought in.
Simply not true.
We made our money back or profited on a few of Malky’s signings.
Joe Mason
Jordan Mutch
Gary Medel
Caulker
Campbell.
This was less than 20% of the transfers made.
Which is exactly the point I made??
Not even a bit you said most of Malky’s signings I pointed out it was 5 or 6 out of about 30 signings.
So totally different.
Kim 2.5
Velikonja 2
Turner 750k
Kiss 500k
Maynard 2.5
Miller 900k
Noone 1.5
Connolly 600k
Theophile Catherine 2.25
Odenwingie 2
Were significant players we lost money on. We also lost money on Medel.
Arguably none of the players were sold for more due to Malky. Mason left under Slade.
However quite clearly OGS also spent and lost loads of money.
Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:24 pm
dogfound wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:dogfound wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:JB1 wrote:People keep referring to us overspending on players last time we were in the Premier League. Apart from Cornelius, who was a bad expensive buy? The other players who cost a lot - Caulker and Medel, I'm pretty sure we got our money back on. This season we've spent a lot on Murphy and Reid, hopefully they will be good investments and do well for us. But, until they do I don't think Tan can go on about spending wisely. Of our most expensive signings last season Tomlin's not even in the squad and the jury's still out on Madine, although some have already made their minds up. I think Tan should move on and accept that sometimes managers buy bad players.
Totally agree with this. Brayford and Cornelius the stand out players. £2.5m and Cornelius for reported £8m. You can count wages on top of that but £10.5m in transfer fees that didn't go right isn't really that bad - see Leicester spending around £30m on a striker that failed. I think the main problem Tan had was the agency fees which were supposedly much more than they ought to be and it seemed to be the same agent apparently.
I think OGS did much more damage than Malky ever did. Paying large fees and then ending up paying them off after a failed promotion push. At least with the players you mentioned, we made profit or our money back on most of the players Malky brought in.
thats not how our owner sees it..
what the league champions paying 30 mill for a striker has to do with another clubs first top tier transfer in 50 years goodness knows. but it wasnt just that transfer..it was the add ons agents fees etc.etc..everyone knows so why pretend differently.
Agents fees is exactly what I said was the downfall. My point being an £8.5m teenager flopping is hardly a huge event in this current market. Villa spent £80m to get promoted and still haven't. Stoke had £20m players and went down. Do you see their owners disgracing Pulis, Hughes at every opportunity? It's football. It happens.
we were not in the current market it was 2013 when the TV money was much lower..
and comparisons should be made with other teams with a similar prem status as our selves not long standing clubs.
and no.you dont see managers disgraced..might be because they dont deserve it and agree termination packages and failing that sue and invariably win..malky tried that..THAT is what was different here, there was no pay off or case for wrongful dismissal..
people come on here try to twist it so Tan is the big bad nasty bully wolf.
and poor little frail Malky armed with LMA lawyers says and does nothing..
crystal clear to a blind man who wronged who..
Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:51 am
neathbluebird wrote:JuniorBluebird1980 wrote:At the end of the day if it was not for Tan and his deep deep pockets we would not be where we are today. Who else would have done what he has done! Enjoy our season in the premier league. If we go down so what! If we stay up even better. Just support our club and be thankful we have an owner who has stuck with us.
spot on...i think we will surprise a few this season
Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:57 am
Carlossus wrote:dogfound wrote:jimmy_rat wrote:Bob bank mason wrote:I have wanted tan out since day 1. Nothing but a lil pussy ass
Maybe he'll fight you?
My moneys on Tan round 1.
Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:31 am
TAP_Sheep wrote:dogfound wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:dogfound wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:JB1 wrote:People keep referring to us overspending on players last time we were in the Premier League. Apart from Cornelius, who was a bad expensive buy? The other players who cost a lot - Caulker and Medel, I'm pretty sure we got our money back on. This season we've spent a lot on Murphy and Reid, hopefully they will be good investments and do well for us. But, until they do I don't think Tan can go on about spending wisely. Of our most expensive signings last season Tomlin's not even in the squad and the jury's still out on Madine, although some have already made their minds up. I think Tan should move on and accept that sometimes managers buy bad players.
Totally agree with this. Brayford and Cornelius the stand out players. £2.5m and Cornelius for reported £8m. You can count wages on top of that but £10.5m in transfer fees that didn't go right isn't really that bad - see Leicester spending around £30m on a striker that failed. I think the main problem Tan had was the agency fees which were supposedly much more than they ought to be and it seemed to be the same agent apparently.
I think OGS did much more damage than Malky ever did. Paying large fees and then ending up paying them off after a failed promotion push. At least with the players you mentioned, we made profit or our money back on most of the players Malky brought in.
thats not how our owner sees it..
what the league champions paying 30 mill for a striker has to do with another clubs first top tier transfer in 50 years goodness knows. but it wasnt just that transfer..it was the add ons agents fees etc.etc..everyone knows so why pretend differently.
Agents fees is exactly what I said was the downfall. My point being an £8.5m teenager flopping is hardly a huge event in this current market. Villa spent £80m to get promoted and still haven't. Stoke had £20m players and went down. Do you see their owners disgracing Pulis, Hughes at every opportunity? It's football. It happens.
we were not in the current market it was 2013 when the TV money was much lower..
and comparisons should be made with other teams with a similar prem status as our selves not long standing clubs.
and no.you dont see managers disgraced..might be because they dont deserve it and agree termination packages and failing that sue and invariably win..malky tried that..THAT is what was different here, there was no pay off or case for wrongful dismissal..
people come on here try to twist it so Tan is the big bad nasty bully wolf.
and poor little frail Malky armed with LMA lawyers says and does nothing..
crystal clear to a blind man who wronged who..
Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:35 am
Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:28 pm
TopCat CCFC wrote:Tan In Town Today