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Postby Tony Blue Williams » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:47 pm

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epping blue wrote:I hoped they'd get to the final but the hype over the team is way over the top. History will show they got to the semi but it was a fluke of the schedule. They could of got to the final without actually beating anyone in the top 15 FIFA rankings, top 20 if you take out the penalty win over Colombia. Pretty extraordinary but you take what you can just like we did 2 years ago.


British footballs biggest problem is that its not producing world class footballers. I'd argue that the only world class footballer produce in Britain in the last 10 years id Bale. The clubs may pay ridiculous fees to pass English players around the premiership but there's virtually no interest from Real, Barca or PSG who will pay what ever it takes to get what they want.


Southgate is currently lord of the manor in the eyes of the press but with 2 games coming up against Croatia and 2 games against Spain they could be calling for his head within 3 or 4 months. I don't have a problem with Southgate he's working with the best available. Its the media that build them to these levels and its the media that knocks them down. Its a very tough little sector for England. Could very easily be relegated and even worse got a fair chance they end in pot 2 for the main euros draw. Unlikely to matter for euro qualification but we're 16 months away for the next world cup qualifying draw.Harder fixtures / poorer results and they'll lose top seeding in that draw and the play offs for the world cup is no place for the faint hearted.


I don't think Sir Waistcoat will be around much longer.


His stock will never be higher, so time to cash in? ;)

I note they named a Tube Station after him. How appropriate the 'Way Out' sign is above it! ;) :lol:


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Postby dogfound » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:49 pm

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englishbluebird wrote:Yeah the media are notorious . Always have been but to be fair the team and Gareth Southgate conducted themselves well. No sane English fan expected them to get anywhere near the semi finals.


It's the media and some of the pundits who get on most people's tits. Thankfully, England have a manager who does not believe in this over the top hype, and is far more realistic than the ridiculous press and some of the overly excited pundits who I am convinced must be smoking something illegal to come out with some of their predictions.

At least Southgate knows that England are still a long way behind many of the top sides. Makes a refreshing change for an England coach to accept his side is not close to the top elite nations, and I think the fact that he has not got his head buried in the sand gives him a better chance of doing something with this England squad.

Past managers and the media have continually overlooked the obvious lack of quality in previous England sides, even though it was blatantly obvious to the rest of the world that they were at best, nothing more than average. Southgate can see what everyone else (apart from Shearer, Wright, Daily Mirror etc.) can see, and I think that is half the battle, accepting there is a lot of progress required rather than believing the hype and thinking this is a world beating team.

I like Southgate and many of his players, and I think he will lay the foundations which will ensure that future England teams will at least challenge some of the established elite countries. From a Welsh perspective, I wish they had appointed someone less able than Southgate.



the Croatia game was there to be won..England were quite a bit on top for 30 mins and were still prob the better team at the interval..Croatia changed tactics and took control..it took Southgate a full 45 minutes of his team running themselves into the ground before he reacted..too little too late ..and also too late to now take back all the over hype the media had given sir Gareth..as poor a managerial performance since Russia decided to play a high line against us...and they are stuck with him..
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Re: England...overrated And overhyped.

Postby montyblue » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:50 pm

Last 2 games against Belgium same team
Wales 1 belguim 0
Wales 3 belguim 1
England 0 belguim 1
England 0 belguim 2
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Postby paulh_85 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:55 pm

maccydee wrote:At least they got there unlike us.

As gutted as that makes me it’s the truth.



not really a yardstick to judge england by though is it
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Re: England...overrated And overhyped.

Postby Tony Blue Williams » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:59 pm

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the Croatia game was there to be won..England were quite a bit on top for 30 mins and were still prob the better team at the interval..Croatia changed tactics and took control..it took Southgate a full 45 minutes of his team running themselves into the ground before he reacted..too little too late ..and also too late to now take back all the over hype the media had given sir Gareth..as poor a managerial performance since Russia decided to play a high line against us...and they are stuck with him..


Couldn't agree more. England lost 3 games at the WC 2 of them to Belgium a team Wales destroyed at Euro16, plus we took 4 points off them in qualification.

Sir Waistcoat's complete ineptitude tactically during the second half vs. Croatia was almost criminal and cost England a World Cup Final appearance. He also has a blind spot with Sterling who takes overrated to another level.
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Re: England...overrated And overhyped.

Postby dogfound » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:27 pm

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the Croatia game was there to be won..England were quite a bit on top for 30 mins and were still prob the better team at the interval..Croatia changed tactics and took control..it took Southgate a full 45 minutes of his team running themselves into the ground before he reacted..too little too late ..and also too late to now take back all the over hype the media had given sir Gareth..as poor a managerial performance since Russia decided to play a high line against us...and they are stuck with him..


Couldn't agree more. England lost 3 games at the WC 2 of them to Belgium a team Wales destroyed at Euro16, plus we took 4 points off them in qualification.

Sir Waistcoat's complete ineptitude tactically during the second half vs. Croatia was almost criminal and cost England a World Cup Final appearance. He also has a blind spot with Sterling who takes overrated to another level.



seems a decent enough chap.
but sacked from his one club job 9 years ago..and no interest in him since ?
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Re: England...overrated And overhyped.

Postby englishbluebird » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:36 pm

maccydee wrote:
thomasblue wrote:I think they got as far as they possibly could.
That is only because of the draw though not the team itself.

The facts dont lie

They played 4 games against a team in the top 20 in the world, lost 3 of them and won the other on penalties.

Put into perspective, if you work out the rankings comparing the national teams to its club equivalent in England they would have played

Panama #55 - Peterborough Utd
Tunisia #21 - Wolves
Sweden #24 - Aston Villa
Columbia #16 - Brighton
Croatia #20 - West Brom
Belgium #2 - Man Utd

They were 1 penalty kick away from losing to a columbia team missing by far its best player - The same as losing to Wales without Bale

They only managed to beat Tunisia in the 90th minute

9 of the 12 goals they scored were from set plays
Harry Kane scored three penalties, Kieran Trippier netted a free-kick and they scored from four corners and a free-kick routine.
That means they only scored three times from open play in six games, one of which was a lucky deflection off Harry Kane against Panama.


We spend so much time slagging the FIFA rankings and then use them when we want.

No way are Croatia one team better than Tunisia. FIFA rankings are a joke.


Agree. plus comparing Croatia to West Brom :lol: :lol:
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Re: England...overrated And overhyped.

Postby englishbluebird » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:48 pm

Plus if we go by the FIFA rankings . England comfortably beat Sweden who beat the #6 team in the world Switzerland and also managed to top the group that included #1 in the world Germany.
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Postby TopCat CCFC » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:28 pm

montyblue wrote:Last 2 games against Belgium same team
Wales 1 belguim 0
Wales 3 belguim 1
England 0 belguim 1
England 0 belguim 2


Good Stats ;)
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Re: England...overrated And overhyped.

Postby Bakedalasker » Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:23 am

englishbluebird wrote:Plus if we go by the FIFA rankings . England comfortably beat Sweden who beat the #6 team in the world Switzerland and also managed to top the group that included #1 in the world Germany.


Sweden lost to Germany.
Germany lost to South Korea.
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Re: England...overrated And overhyped.

Postby englishbluebird » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:41 pm

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englishbluebird wrote:Plus if we go by the FIFA rankings . England comfortably beat Sweden who beat the #6 team in the world Switzerland and also managed to top the group that included #1 in the world Germany.


Sweden lost to Germany.
Germany lost to South Korea.



So therefore South Korea are better then Germany? The FIFA rankings mean little and even the most anti-English person must surely see 4th place was an impressive achievement for them
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Re: England...overrated And overhyped.

Postby epping blue » Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:31 pm

englishbluebird wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
englishbluebird wrote:Plus if we go by the FIFA rankings . England comfortably beat Sweden who beat the #6 team in the world Switzerland and also managed to top the group that included #1 in the world Germany.


Sweden lost to Germany.
Germany lost to South Korea.



So therefore South Korea are better then Germany? The FIFA rankings mean little and even the most anti-English person must surely see 4th place was an impressive achievement for them



As a matter of interest how many points do you expect England to get from theiir 2 games against Spain and the 2 games against Croatia.
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Re: England...overrated And overhyped.

Postby englishbluebird » Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:15 pm

epping blue wrote:
englishbluebird wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
englishbluebird wrote:Plus if we go by the FIFA rankings . England comfortably beat Sweden who beat the #6 team in the world Switzerland and also managed to top the group that included #1 in the world Germany.


Sweden lost to Germany.
Germany lost to South Korea.



So therefore South Korea are better then Germany? The FIFA rankings mean little and even the most anti-English person must surely see 4th place was an impressive achievement for them



As a matter of interest how many points do you expect England to get from theiir 2 games against Spain and the 2 games against Croatia.


Not that many to be honest.Like i said before though im not a massive fan of the national team and certainly not delusional or blinkered. Coming 4th in the best tournament in sport is some achievement regardless of previous results or the FIFA world rankings. Wales sadly werent good enough to qualify
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Re: England...overrated And overhyped.

Postby maccydee » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:36 pm

TopCat CCFC wrote:
montyblue wrote:Last 2 games against Belgium same team
Wales 1 belguim 0
Wales 3 belguim 1
England 0 belguim 1
England 0 belguim 2


Good Stats ;)


What are Our stats v England last 5 games?

I imagine the Jacks are like this talking about us. Clutching at straws.
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Re: England...overrated And overhyped.

Postby maccydee » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:40 pm

englishbluebird wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
englishbluebird wrote:Plus if we go by the FIFA rankings . England comfortably beat Sweden who beat the #6 team in the world Switzerland and also managed to top the group that included #1 in the world Germany.


Sweden lost to Germany.
Germany lost to South Korea.



So therefore South Korea are better then Germany? The FIFA rankings mean little and even the most anti-English person must surely see 4th place was an impressive achievement for them


Well said.

Last time we played England we lost during our run to the semis of the Euros. They battered us in fact. More than that they have near us five times on the trot.
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Re: England...overrated And overhyped.

Postby Bakedalasker » Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:50 am

maccydee wrote:
englishbluebird wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
englishbluebird wrote:Plus if we go by the FIFA rankings . England comfortably beat Sweden who beat the #6 team in the world Switzerland and also managed to top the group that included #1 in the world Germany.


Sweden lost to Germany.
Germany lost to South Korea.



So therefore South Korea are better then Germany? The FIFA rankings mean little and even the most anti-English person must surely see 4th place was an impressive achievement for them


Well said.

Last time we played England we lost during our run to the semis of the Euros. They battered us in fact. More than that they have near us five times on the trot.


England are nearly 12 times the size of Wales so really they should "batter us".

Wales got to the Euros semi by winning their group (no prizes for guessing who they beat to that spot), by beating the strong favourites Belgium (no prizes for guessing who lost to them twice of late) and got knocked out by the eventual winners.

As the OP stated England are overrated and overhyped and have crap support as this world cup showed. It's coming home MORE like They Stayed Home.
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Re: England...overrated And overhyped.

Postby englishbluebird » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:47 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:
maccydee wrote:
englishbluebird wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
englishbluebird wrote:Plus if we go by the FIFA rankings . England comfortably beat Sweden who beat the #6 team in the world Switzerland and also managed to top the group that included #1 in the world Germany.


Sweden lost to Germany.
Germany lost to South Korea.



So therefore South Korea are better then Germany? The FIFA rankings mean little and even the most anti-English person must surely see 4th place was an impressive achievement for them


Well said.

Last time we played England we lost during our run to the semis of the Euros. They battered us in fact. More than that they have near us five times on the trot.


England are nearly 12 times the size of Wales so really they should "batter us".

Wales got to the Euros semi by winning their group (no prizes for guessing who they beat to that spot), by beating the strong favourites Belgium (no prizes for guessing who lost to them twice of late) and got knocked out by the eventual winners.

As the OP stated England are overrated and overhyped and have crap support as this world cup showed. It's coming home MORE like They Stayed Home.


Belgium were not the favourites. Germany,Spain,England and France according to all the experts were predicted to do better then Belgium. Come on aswell,we all know attendances to Wales matches were embarassing pre-Bale and the Euro 2016 tournamnet
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Re: England...overrated And overhyped.

Postby griff105 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:46 pm

Home yet?
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Re: England...overrated And overhyped.

Postby dogfound » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:32 am

englishbluebird wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
maccydee wrote:
englishbluebird wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
englishbluebird wrote:Plus if we go by the FIFA rankings . England comfortably beat Sweden who beat the #6 team in the world Switzerland and also managed to top the group that included #1 in the world Germany.


Sweden lost to Germany.
Germany lost to South Korea.



So therefore South Korea are better then Germany? The FIFA rankings mean little and even the most anti-English person must surely see 4th place was an impressive achievement for them


Well said.

Last time we played England we lost during our run to the semis of the Euros. They battered us in fact. More than that they have near us five times on the trot.


England are nearly 12 times the size of Wales so really they should "batter us".

Wales got to the Euros semi by winning their group (no prizes for guessing who they beat to that spot), by beating the strong favourites Belgium (no prizes for guessing who lost to them twice of late) and got knocked out by the eventual winners.

As the OP stated England are overrated and overhyped and have crap support as this world cup showed. It's coming home MORE like They Stayed Home.


Belgium were not the favourites. Germany,Spain,England and France according to all the experts were predicted to do better then Belgium. Come on aswell,we all know attendances to Wales matches were embarassing pre-Bale and the Euro 2016 tournamnet



attendances at Wales matches were embarrassing pre Bale.
you do realise we are a nation of only 3million people ?
per capita our crowds hold up well against anyones and always have.
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Re: England...overrated And overhyped.

Postby dogfound » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:02 pm

griff105 wrote:Home yet?



most are but not sure about this one. :lol:

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Re: England...overrated And overhyped.

Postby RV Casual » Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:30 pm

dogfound wrote:
englishbluebird wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
maccydee wrote:
englishbluebird wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
englishbluebird wrote:Plus if we go by the FIFA rankings . England comfortably beat Sweden who beat the #6 team in the world Switzerland and also managed to top the group that included #1 in the world Germany.


Sweden lost to Germany.
Germany lost to South Korea.



So therefore South Korea are better then Germany? The FIFA rankings mean little and even the most anti-English person must surely see 4th place was an impressive achievement for them


Well said.

Last time we played England we lost during our run to the semis of the Euros. They battered us in fact. More than that they have near us five times on the trot.


England are nearly 12 times the size of Wales so really they should "batter us".

Wales got to the Euros semi by winning their group (no prizes for guessing who they beat to that spot), by beating the strong favourites Belgium (no prizes for guessing who lost to them twice of late) and got knocked out by the eventual winners.

As the OP stated England are overrated and overhyped and have crap support as this world cup showed. It's coming home MORE like They Stayed Home.


Belgium were not the favourites. Germany,Spain,England and France according to all the experts were predicted to do better then Belgium. Come on aswell,we all know attendances to Wales matches were embarassing pre-Bale and the Euro 2016 tournamnet



attendances at Wales matches were embarrassing pre Bale.
you do realise we are a nation of only 3million people ?
per capita our crowds hold up well against anyones and always have.


I think his comments are a bit harsh and not entirely correct, if anything our crowds dipped once Bale started :lol:

Here's our averages for the last 8 Qualifying campaigns

Euro 2004 Qualifying - 72,356 (the highest in Europe at the time)
World Cup 2006 Qualifying Campaign pre bale was 54,267
Euro 2008 Qualifying with Bale playing regularly was 24,672
World Cup Qualifying 2010 - 18,727
Euro 2012 Qualifying - 25,883
World Cup 2014 Qualifying - 15,623
Euro 2016 Qualifying - 30,239
World Cup 2018 Qualifying - 32,522

Only 2 out of the 8 I would say are a bit poor, but in fairness in 2010 apart from Germany/Finland we were in a group with 4 other countries who brought next to nothing in terms of away support, 2014 was a low. Having said that, for a country of our size to me those figures are decent, its like any Club/Country attendances fluctuate, we are a small country who have qualified for 1 tournament since 1958.

He should also remember that apart from Scotland, England were nowhere near to selling out Wembley in any of their World Cup Qualifiers for Russia, for the size of their country and the fact its their 'National Game' and they qualifying more often than not I would say their attendances are more embarrassing than ours.
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Re: England...overrated And overhyped.

Postby englishbluebird » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:34 pm

Im definetly not anti-wales. Far from it,ive attended most of the games at the Cardiff stadium and yes it was empty until they started putting a run together FACT . Aside from the England game funnily enough that had to be moved to the Millenium stadium. The Op claimed England were overrated .yet every knowledgable fan without an agenda would have not predicted a 4th place finish,regardless of the opposition. Come on you have to be able to see this . The media are crap as they've always been,that will never change .
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Re: England...overrated And overhyped.

Postby dogfound » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:47 pm

englishbluebird wrote:Im definetly not anti-wales. Far from it,ive attended most of the games at the Cardiff stadium and yes it was empty until they started putting a run together FACT . Aside from the England game funnily enough that had to be moved to the Millenium stadium. The Op claimed England were overrated .yet every knowledgable fan without an agenda would have not predicted a 4th place finish,regardless of the opposition. Come on you have to be able to see this . The media are crap as they've always been,that will never change .



its the embarrassing quip that got me mate...
and you really havent taken an ounce of notice of RVs stats....15k { the lowest figure }for a country of 3mill embarrassing.?
so how well does that trnslate to a country of 51mill not always filling Wembley.....
our attendances have no right to be close to yours yet not only have they been ..we actually had bigger attendances for 1 campaign..
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Postby englishbluebird » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:05 pm

dogfound wrote:
englishbluebird wrote:Im definetly not anti-wales. Far from it,ive attended most of the games at the Cardiff stadium and yes it was empty until they started putting a run together FACT . Aside from the England game funnily enough that had to be moved to the Millenium stadium. The Op claimed England were overrated .yet every knowledgable fan without an agenda would have not predicted a 4th place finish,regardless of the opposition. Come on you have to be able to see this . The media are crap as they've always been,that will never change .



its the embarrassing quip that got me mate...
and you really havent taken an ounce of notice of RVs stats....15k { the lowest figure }for a country of 3mill embarrassing.?
so how well does that trnslate to a country of 51mill not always filling Wembley.....
our attendances have no right to be close to yours yet not only have they been ..we actually had bigger attendances for 1 campaign..


But that aside ,why do Welsh fans feel the overwhelming urge to compare themselves to England? The rivalry is one sided for starters plus you have to admit they overachieved by finishing 4th. Who cares who beat Belgium 2 years ago. The original post was claiming them to be overated which weve all established has been a media only thing.
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Re: England...overrated And overhyped.

Postby dogfound » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:27 pm

englishbluebird wrote:
dogfound wrote:
englishbluebird wrote:Im definetly not anti-wales. Far from it,ive attended most of the games at the Cardiff stadium and yes it was empty until they started putting a run together FACT . Aside from the England game funnily enough that had to be moved to the Millenium stadium. The Op claimed England were overrated .yet every knowledgable fan without an agenda would have not predicted a 4th place finish,regardless of the opposition. Come on you have to be able to see this . The media are crap as they've always been,that will never change .



its the embarrassing quip that got me mate...
and you really havent taken an ounce of notice of RVs stats....15k { the lowest figure }for a country of 3mill embarrassing.?
so how well does that trnslate to a country of 51mill not always filling Wembley.....
our attendances have no right to be close to yours yet not only have they been ..we actually had bigger attendances for 1 campaign..


But that aside ,why do Welsh fans feel the overwhelming urge to compare themselves to England? The rivalry is one sided for starters plus you have to admit they overachieved by finishing 4th. Who cares who beat Belgium 2 years ago. The original post was claiming them to be overated which weve all established has been a media only thing.



why.?..well try reading my posts on England this last month or so...ive been quite happy for them to do well and not anti English..i do think they wre not very good 2nd half v Croatia and deserved to lose ..
but anyway...WHY...mostly because even the non English haters like myself are not going to sit here and be told our attendances are embarrassing especially when its not even accurate...
theres your reason..its because far too many of your countrymen say the sort of things you do..
one sided rivalry....where it dont matter who beat Belgium 2 years ago but it does matter what our attendances were 10 years ago..

where are monty and bananas when you need them...i want an application form..
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Postby RV Casual » Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:40 am

englishbluebird wrote:Im definetly not anti-wales. Far from it,ive attended most of the games at the Cardiff stadium and yes it was empty until they started putting a run together FACT . Aside from the England game funnily enough that had to be moved to the Millenium stadium. The Op claimed England were overrated .yet every knowledgable fan without an agenda would have not predicted a 4th place finish,regardless of the opposition. Come on you have to be able to see this . The media are crap as they've always been,that will never change .


It was the crowds 'pot shot' that got me mate, the fact is you have no right to criticise anyone else's attendances when in your last two qualifiers for the World Cup in Russia you pulled in crowds of 61,598 and 67,823, 30,000+ below capacity.

This, despite the fact you more often than not qualify for major tournaments, Football is your countries National Game and have a population of 53 Million almost 18 times the size of Wales. I would worry about filling your own ground before taking shots at anyone else.

I fully understand your defence of your Countries side but your 'pot shot' about crowds let you down even more so given the abysmal turnout of England fans at the World Cup.

Anyway, I don't want to argue with you, we are all Cardiff fans at the end of the day, draw a line move on :thumbup: :bluescarf:
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Re: England...overrated And overhyped.

Postby englishbluebird » Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:58 pm

I appreciate your opinion and ok maybe my attendances comment was off the mark. What I am trying to get across is of course the media is going to go into overdrive when the their team is possibly looking to create a bit of history. I was fully behind Wales in the Euros and don't wish to take away from what they achieved but the country went crazy with people who previously heaped scorn on their national side. Anyway like you said,back on the city now and looking forward to the season :bluescarf: :bluescarf:
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Re: England...overrated And overhyped.

Postby dogfound » Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:40 pm

englishbluebird wrote:I appreciate your opinion and ok maybe my attendances comment was off the mark. What I am trying to get across is of course the media is going to go into overdrive when the their team is possibly looking to create a bit of history. I was fully behind Wales in the Euros and don't wish to take away from what they achieved but the country went crazy with people who previously heaped scorn on their national side. Anyway like you said,back on the city now and looking forward to the season :bluescarf: :bluescarf:



moving away from attendances...we dont get French tv or German tv we get English tv...its bound to get to people..im aware a lot of English people wanted us to do well but how many of them would have felt the same had we had the constant exposure and hype in England that England gets here ..
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