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Postby Sven » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:22 pm

BREAKING: " SNOWGATE: EFL DECISION ANNOUNCED "


EFL make final judgement on Derby County v Cardiff City postponement
By Chris Watson

The Rams were criticised for calling off Sunday's Championship fixture at Pride Park Stadium


Thursday 22nd March 2018


The EFL says it "remains satisfied" with the reasons behind the postponement of Derby County's Sky Bet Championship fixture with Cardiff City.


The game at Pride Park Stadium was called off on Sunday morning due to adverse weather conditions.


The decision was heavily criticised by Cardiff boss Neil Warnock, while the Bluebirds' supporters' club called for action to be taken against the Rams.

The EFL have looked into the matter and have now issued the following statement...

"The EFL has now had an opportunity to consider the submissions of both Derby County and Cardiff City following the postponement of their Championship fixture on Sunday 18 March.

"We remain satisfied that the decision to postpone the fixture was the correct one in the circumstances at the time and that Derby County had made every effort to ensure the game had the opportunity to be played. They also communicated with the relevant stakeholders as it became clear it was in doubt due to safety concerns."

"It should be noted that matchday safety is a matter for the Club to determine and the EFL's policy with regard to the Safety Advisory Group (SAG) is in place to provide a qualified 'third party' sign off for any game where the condition of the pitch is not the primary concern, so as to avoid the circumstances we saw on Sunday.

"From the information that has been assessed, it is clear that the decision to postpone the match was taken by the Club but was reached following earlier consultation with the SAG, which includes the Police, other Emergency Services and Derbyshire Council. They agreed with the recommendation put forward by the Club and that position was confirmed via the Safety Advisory Group (SAG) Chair shortly after the 8.30am announcement.

"The EFL was subsequently provided with a comprehensive report including a full risk assessment by Derby County as to the steps taken in the build-up to the decision being made.

"The EFL's review has also ascertained that time pressure played a significant role in the parties reaching their decision, as, due to the 12 noon kick-off, significant numbers of people would have been heading to the stadium from approximately 9am with the conditions clearly unsuitable. The Club also evidenced that they received notification from their stewarding contracting partner that a number of matchday stewards were unable to travel to the stadium due to the adverse weather conditions.

"Therefore it was in the best interests of spectator safety to postpone the game to avoid fans congregating in numbers. Derbyshire Police were also advising people on Sunday morning only to make necessary journeys in the local area following the overnight snow.

"The safety and security of supporters attending matches has to be paramount. Any decision to postpone a fixture is never taken lightly and not without full consideration of the impact it will inevitably cause the two Clubs and their supporters.

"It should be noted that there was no issue with the playing surface at the stadium and therefore the match officials were not required to be involved in the decision making process. This was a matter of supporter safety and they were informed of the postponement once the decision had been taken.

"The EFL has now contacted Derby County and Cardiff City to inform them of their findings and no further action in regard to this matter will be taken. However, the EFL acknowledges that whilst the correct decision was taken in postponing the match, clearer and more effective communication around the decision making processes on the day would have assisted an already challenging situation. Derby County have been reminded of their responsibilities in this regard in order to ensure integrity of the competition is protected.

"As previously communicated the re-arranged fixture will take place on Tuesday 24 April, 2018 and, refunds will be available to those fans that are no longer able to make the new date. There is no decision as yet as to whether the game will be selected for live broadcast on Sky Sports."
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Re: SNOWGATE: EFL DECISION ANNOUNCED

Postby BrightBlueFuture » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:29 pm

Sven wrote:EFL make final judgement on Derby County v Cardiff City postponement
By Chris Watson

The Rams were criticised for calling off Sunday's Championship fixture at Pride Park Stadium


The EFL says it "remains satisfied" with the reasons behind the postponement of Derby County's Sky Bet Championship fixture with Cardiff City.


The game at Pride Park Stadium was called off on Sunday morning due to adverse weather conditions.


The decision was heavily criticised by Cardiff boss Neil Warnock, while the Bluebirds' supporters' club called for action to be taken against the Rams.

The EFL have looked into the matter and have now issued the following statement...

"The EFL has now had an opportunity to consider the submissions of both Derby County and Cardiff City following the postponement of their Championship fixture on Sunday 18 March.

"We remain satisfied that the decision to postpone the fixture was the correct one in the circumstances at the time and that Derby County had made every effort to ensure the game had the opportunity to be played. They also communicated with the relevant stakeholders as it became clear it was in doubt due to safety concerns."

"It should be noted that matchday safety is a matter for the Club to determine and the EFL's policy with regard to the Safety Advisory Group (SAG) is in place to provide a qualified 'third party' sign off for any game where the condition of the pitch is not the primary concern, so as to avoid the circumstances we saw on Sunday.

"From the information that has been assessed, it is clear that the decision to postpone the match was taken by the Club but was reached following earlier consultation with the SAG, which includes the Police, other Emergency Services and Derbyshire Council. They agreed with the recommendation put forward by the Club and that position was confirmed via the Safety Advisory Group (SAG) Chair shortly after the 8.30am announcement.

"The EFL was subsequently provided with a comprehensive report including a full risk assessment by Derby County as to the steps taken in the build-up to the decision being made.

"The EFL's review has also ascertained that time pressure played a significant role in the parties reaching their decision, as, due to the 12 noon kick-off, significant numbers of people would have been heading to the stadium from approximately 9am with the conditions clearly unsuitable. The Club also evidenced that they received notification from their stewarding contracting partner that a number of matchday stewards were unable to travel to the stadium due to the adverse weather conditions.

"Therefore it was in the best interests of spectator safety to postpone the game to avoid fans congregating in numbers. Derbyshire Police were also advising people on Sunday morning only to make necessary journeys in the local area following the overnight snow.

"The safety and security of supporters attending matches has to be paramount. Any decision to postpone a fixture is never taken lightly and not without full consideration of the impact it will inevitably cause the two Clubs and their supporters.


"It should be noted that there was no issue with the playing surface at the stadium and therefore the match officials were not required to be involved in the decision making process. This was a matter of supporter safety and they were informed of the postponement once the decision had been taken.

"The EFL has now contacted Derby County and Cardiff City to inform them of their findings and no further action in regard to this matter will be taken. However, the EFL acknowledges that whilst the correct decision was taken in postponing the match, clearer and more effective communication around the decision making processes on the day would have assisted an already challenging situation. Derby County have been reminded of their responsibilities in this regard in order to ensure integrity of the competition is protected.

"As previously communicated the re-arranged fixture will take place on Tuesday 24 April, 2018 and, refunds will be available to those fans that are no longer able to make the new date. There is no decision as yet as to whether the game will be selected for live broadcast on Sky Sports."


What a load of guff :laughing5:
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Re: SNOWGATE: EFL DECISION ANNOUNCED

Postby bluebird58 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:30 pm

Time to move on. If it hadn’t been an international break this would all have been forgotten by now.
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Postby Welshman in CA » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:31 pm

Did anyone really expect a different outcome?
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Postby nojac » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:31 pm

Now we know what EFL stands for .
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Postby Bakedalasker » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:35 pm

Welshman in CA wrote:Did anyone really expect a different outcome?


I didn't due to the fact the EFL announce their support for Derby decision soon after the postponement.

Just basically covering their own backs this decision.
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Postby Jules » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:35 pm

Reminded of their responsibilities ,what a load of tripe. didn't expect anything else.
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Postby T1JMO » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:37 pm

Nice work by the English FA - we know the truth!
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Postby Sven » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:37 pm

Disappointed but not surprised and may explain Neil Warnock's comments (did he have an idea?) yesterday? :(

It's done, I doubt we can appeal and we can only hope something decent is done to assist the fans who wasted a day of their lives to accommodate Snowgate. That would be a very magnanimousgesture

Derby County have played a blinder in the end and got away with it, so we can only move on and show the sheepish Rams that the Bluebirds are a class above them in all departments but particularly where it matters on the field of play :thumbright:
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Postby BLUE54 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:39 pm

What a complete surprise at this decision. I never expected that! :roll: However, we all know the reason it was called off. I wonder which club will be the next to use this type of excuse! Time to move on now and get the job done. Hope this fires the lads up even more now to get out of this league. :ayatollah:
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Postby GrangeEndStar » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:44 pm

The EFL have set a precedent that if you don't fancy playing a game and the 'safety' circumstances can be argued, you can cheat and call the match off.

Football fans all over the country can see what Derby blatantly did but the EFL for some reason refuse to do what's right.

I hope we leather the 'Rans' on the 24th.
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Postby pembroke allan » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:45 pm

So if there is lot snow in surrounding areas of any city the club can postpone game because stewards cannot get to game? Derby in no shape made any effort to get game played and efl have lied on that part :banghead:
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Postby Clusterman » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:46 pm

Hang your heads in shame EFL you are as corrupt and spineless as Derby County.
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Postby BLUE54 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:48 pm

Clusterman wrote:Hang your heads in shame EFL you are as corrupt and spineless as Derby County.

I'm afraid to say did you really expect any different?
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Postby WelshPatriot » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:53 pm

So within 10 miles of a ground can be clear but if snow further out any club can chuck in the stewards are stuck excuse.

Well done EFL you've set the bar for the future and cannot punish any other club that does the same.
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Postby WelshPatriot » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:55 pm

What if we lose to Derby in the rearranged fixture and miss the automatic slots by 3 points.
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Postby pembroke allan » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:55 pm

WelshPatriot wrote:So within 10 miles of a ground can be clear but if snow further out any club can chuck in the stewards are stuck excuse.

Well done EFL you've set the bar for the future and cannot punish any other club that does the same.



Yes that's basically what they've said! Need to get city fan on SAG committee as club made the decision and got sag to agree with it even though it was blatently wrong .:thumbup:
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Postby 2blue2handle » Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:00 pm

Disappointing and clearly a stitch up but time to move on.

Hopefully the club will come out and compensate the fans who travelled.
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Postby Bluebird For Life » Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:04 pm

Does not mention travelling Cardiff fans at all in that statement - what a disgrace that is. Spineless. I really hope Vince has something that will shock them to the core as they have treated us with utter contempt from the very start of this.
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Postby pembroke allan » Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:19 pm

So every club can call off a game when it snows as long as get sag to agree to it? Just takes a bit of manipulation of how many stewards can get to ground and H&S comes into play? Brilliant :laughing6:
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Postby oohahhPaulMillar » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:39 pm

Derby pulled a fast one..everybody knows it even the EFL..but as usual the authorities bottle it rather than go through a legal process

There was never going to be any punishment for Derby as soon as they mentioned health and safety concerns and they were well aware of that fact

It would be nice if Derby actually apologised to the City fans for a wasted journey but don't hold your breath

What has been missed by most people during this fiasco is that Derby were beaten before a ball was even kicked !!

You only have to look at Rowletts body language in his press conference virtually surrendering before the game even started not the first team or Manager to do so this season. There is no way their bottlers are going up there this season it would appear they have no stomach for the fight

Derby have won the battle but will lose the war
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Postby jimmy_rat » Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:52 pm

From the BBC article. They seem to have more...

"As a result of this week's events, a number of important lessons have been learned and we will be working on some revised advice and guidance that will be issued to all 72 clubs in the event they are faced with a similar scenario in the future.

"Whilst the EFL maintains the correct decision was ultimately taken by Derby County, it is important to note that in their submission, Cardiff City FC raised some exceptionally valid points that, quite rightly, will form part of our overall review.

"We will be putting the issue of match postponements on the agenda for our next Supporter Engagement Meeting that will take place before the end of the season in order to directly address these issues and to understand how we give the appropriate consideration to the fans who are affected by these decisions."

Reading between the lines... we know Derby cheated. But they did so legally and will get away with it because our rules allow them to. Our agenda will be address this and make changes so it doesn't happen again.
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Postby Bluebird For Life » Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:36 pm

"The EFL was subsequently provided with a comprehensive report including a full risk assessment by Derby County as to the steps taken in the build-up to the decision being made.

This line doesn't add up - who did the risk assessment as there was nobody there on the day or so we are led to believe...
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Postby jimmy_rat » Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:47 pm

EFL chief executive Shaun Harvey says "important lessons have been learned" from the fall-out following the postponement of Derby County's Championship clash with Cardiff City.

The decision to call off Sunday's match at Pride Park was met with some opposition, not least from Cardiff boss Neil Warnock, who branded it "scandalous" and a "disgrace".

The EFL investigated the matter and both clubs made their own submissions.

The League ultimately ruled that the correct decision had been made.

However, Harvey has revealed that the process raised wider issues.

As a result, the EFL plans to gives all 72 member clubs revised advice and guidance regarding the postponement of matches in the future.

"The issues the EFL and both Derby County and Cardiff City have faced since Sunday's postponement have been challenging, complex and difficult for a number of reasons, not least the early kick-off time which forced decisions to be made much earlier than is usual in these circumstances," said Harvey.

"As a result of this week’s events a number of important lessons have been learned and we will be working on some revised advice and guidance that will be issued to all 72 clubs in the event they are faced with a similar scenario in the future.

"Whilst the EFL maintains the correct decision was ultimately taken by Derby County, it is important to note that in their submission, Cardiff City FC raised some exceptionally valid points that, quite rightly, will form part of our overall review.

"We will be putting the issue of match postponements on the agenda for our next Supporter Engagement Meeting that will take place before the end of the season in order to directly address these issues and to understand how we give the appropriate consideration to the fans who are affected by these decisions ."
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Postby Bakedalasker » Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:05 pm

What a joke of a statement.

Talk about trying ot cover yourself up. Hopefully this Harvey guy will lose his job over it.
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Postby Tony Blue Williams » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:11 pm

pembroke allan wrote:So every club can call off a game when it snows as long as get sag to agree to it? Just takes a bit of manipulation of how many stewards can get to ground and H&S comes into play? Brilliant :laughing6:


In a nutshell you have hit the nail on the head.

If for any reason the home club wanted a postponement then all they need is a so called valid reason for why stewards can't make it to the ground (poor weather conditions) and the game gets called off for safety reasons.

There is nothing we can do about it although I'm glad that the EFL seem to be leaning towards the points raised by CCFC which I believe could be about the travelling support and the financial impact the postponement had on them.
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Postby Tony Blue Williams » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:13 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:What a joke of a statement.

Talk about trying ot cover yourself up. Hopefully this Harvey guy will lose his job over it.


The statement is a total cop out but there is no chance Harvey will lose his job.
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Postby pembroke allan » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:20 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:So every club can call off a game when it snows as long as get sag to agree to it? Just takes a bit of manipulation of how many stewards can get to ground and H&S comes into play? Brilliant :laughing6:


In a nutshell you have hit the nail on the head.

If for any reason the home club wanted a postponement then all they need is a so called valid reason for why stewards can't make it to the ground (poor weather conditions) and the game gets called off for safety reasons.

There is nothing we can do about it although I'm glad that the EFL seem to be leaning towards the points raised by CCFC which I believe could be about the travelling support and the financial impact the postponement had on them.


Yes their statement seems to be about calling off game before fans leave which is bollocks as if it's because of rain that can be sudden so pointless statement really :roll:
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Postby davids » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:20 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:So every club can call off a game when it snows as long as get sag to agree to it? Just takes a bit of manipulation of how many stewards can get to ground and H&S comes into play? Brilliant :laughing6:


In a nutshell you have hit the nail on the head.

If for any reason the home club wanted a postponement then all they need is a so called valid reason for why stewards can't make it to the ground (poor weather conditions) and the game gets called off for safety reasons.

There is nothing we can do about it although I'm glad that the EFL seem to be leaning towards the points raised by CCFC which I believe could be about the travelling support and the financial impact the postponement had on them.


So if we have a period of heavy rain it could justify calling the game off.

Heavy rain makes conditions on the roads potentially treacherous and life threatening and we shouldn't expect our fans or stewards to put their lives at risk in such weather conditions.

It doesn't matter that the pitch is playable, the surroundings of the stadium are safe and that public transport is still running, the club can unilaterally carry out a "risk assessment" and decide to call the game off on health and safety grounds then inform the police and safety group that they have made this decision.

And the EFL have effectively confirmed that they will back that decision fully.
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