Debunking the 4000 fans lost due to rebrand theory (updated)

These are our average attendances and league positions over the last 20 odd years now updated. It is based on current names so dungeon is called league 2. I have put a possible mitigating factor for large (or low) attendance in last column.

I hope this shows that Cardiff have had crowds up during success and down when not so successful for years so this season's low crowds are to be expected and nothing to do with the rebrand, Tan being owner or Dai Hunt.

To make it really easy for Bakedalaskar I have even done the text in the colour kit we were playing in. This makes it incredibly easy for him to see exactly what colour we were wearing and proves in no uncertain terms that colour of kit has no impact on crowds and if anything it shows that when wearing red we gained fans not lost them.

Year- Level & Position- Average Attendance- Historical significance
2017/18 Championship (currently 2nd) 18,922
2016/17 Championship (12th) 16,564 no historical significance
2015/16 Championship (8th) 16,463 first year fully back in blue
2014/15 Championship (11th) 21,124 Season tickets sold from previous year plus lots of money spent on player under OGS. Changed to blue January 2015.
2013/14 Premiership (20th) 27,430 First year in top tier in ages
2012/13 Championship (1st) 22,299 Season tickets sold from League cup final + success and money spent on players but playing in red and 199 higher than year before
2011/12 Championship (6th) 22,100 Large number of 'Golden' season tickets sold year before
2010/11 Championship (4th) 23.194 Bellamy + top of table most of year + play off final year before
2009/10 Championship (4th) 20,717 First season new stadium
2008/09 Championship (7th) 18,000 Last season Ninian, FA Cup Final so season ticket sales high
2007/08 Championship (12th) 13,939 Nothing season low crowds
2006/07 Championship (13th) 15,223 Top of table after 12 games so 20k crowds dropping to 12k
2005/06 Championship (11th) 11,720 Mid table nothing happening crowds sub 10k regularly
2004/05 Championship (16th) 12,976 Sam's dream started to implode. Black Friday etc.
2003/04 Championship (13th) 15,569 First year in Championship
2002/03 League 1 (6th) 13,050 Promoted via playoffs. Money spent on players + Success
2001/02 League 1 (4th) 12,253 Back in League 1 + success
2000/01 League 2 (2nd) 7,962 First year of Sam. Money spent on players + success
1999/00 League 1 (21st) 6,895 Back in League 1 but relegated. Crowds started 10k +
1998/99 League 2 (3rd) 7,131 Frank Burrows takes us up. Success.
1997/98 League 2 (21st) 3,610 Dungeon performing badly. 20k say they went actually 3k
1996/97 League 2 (7th) 3,594 Relative success but still crowds low.
1995/96 League 2 (22nd) 3,420 Hangover from relegation year before.
1994/95 League 1 (22nd) 4,543 Sat lower league most of year, inevitable relegation.
1993/94 League 1 (19th) 6,072 Spike in crowds from promotion plus Cup Run boosted league crowds.
1992/93 League 2 (1st) 8,560 Eddie May's barmy army. Money spent + success under RW.
1991/92 League 2 (9th) 6,191 First bit of relative success in ages boosted crowds. Lots of children got into the City (including me). Large crowds back end of season.

Any question, comments or concerns please feel free to add.

There is no actual way you can (with any credibility) say that stats back up your assertion that we have lost 4000 fans due to the rebrand. No way at all.

If you do then I want the actual names of all 4000.

lol it'll be along the lines ofqe lost 4000 hardcore loyal supporters but replaced them with new plastic fans.

lol it'll be along the lines ofqe lost 4000 hardcore loyal supporters but replaced them with new plastic fans.

Of course it will. But then the year after the Premiership season disputes that. Fans started going when we started doing less well. We lost all sorts of fans then.

My main point is that Ian constantly says stats back up his viewpoint when they just don't. He has said it so much he actually believes it. There are no stats that back him up at all and I have proven that.

The club's stats which said that 50 people asked for a refund on their season tickets is the most important stat and that is a matter of record.

There is no actual way you can (with any credibility) say that stats back up your assertion that we have lost 4000 fans due to the rebrand. No way at all.

If you do then I want the actual names of all 4000.

I've constantly asked for such evidence when this subject pops it's head up just because we've got 4k less support in what as been a poor 4 yrs on the pitch how is it only the rebrand causing decrease in fans?

Plastics plastics

There is no actual way you can (with any credibility) say that stats back up your assertion that we have lost 4000 fans due to the rebrand. No way at all.

If you do then I want the actual names of all 4000.

I've constantly asked for such evidence when this subject pops it's head up just because we've got 4k less support in what as been a poor 4 yrs on the pitch how is it only the rebrand causing decrease in fans?

There is no evidence. The only evidence points to blue equals lower crowds.

There is no actual way you can (with any credibility) say that stats back up your assertion that we have lost 4000 fans due to the rebrand. No way at all.

If you do then I want the actual names of all 4000.

I've constantly asked for such evidence when this subject pops it's head up just because we've got 4k less support in what as been a poor 4 yrs on the pitch how is it only the rebrand causing decrease in fans?

There is no evidence. The only evidence points to blue equals lower crowds.

In reality we've never consistently had big crowds (except hey days of 2008/2013) so what we have today is bog standard for us.

There is no actual way you can (with any credibility) say that stats back up your assertion that we have lost 4000 fans due to the rebrand. No way at all.

If you do then I want the actual names of all 4000.

I've constantly asked for such evidence when this subject pops it's head up just because we've got 4k less support in what as been a poor 4 yrs on the pitch how is it only the rebrand causing decrease in fans?

There is no evidence. The only evidence points to blue equals lower crowds.

In reality we've never consistently had big crowds (except hey days of 2008/2013) so what we have today is bog standard for us.

It does show that Sam was the one who got us rolling properly.

Of interest is the 1300 hardcore fans who left when we changed our badge for the 07/08 season.

Pre rebrand - 22,100 pushing for promotion
Post rebrand - 18,922 pushing for promotion.

Pre rebrand - 22,100 pushing for promotion
Post rebrand - 18,922 pushing for promotion.

Or pre rebrand 22,100 pushing for promotion
Post rebrand the very next year 22,299 pushing for promotion

Or in red 22,299 pushing for promotion
In blue 18,922 pushing for promotion

Yer talking bollocks again pal.

Someone on this forum had it bang on the other day on another of these kind of discussions.

The “missing” fans are the ones who bought season tickets to get tickets for Wembley and then the Premier League.

Without that big success/games people are not interested.

We have a fickle fan base. Always have

If we are on for automatic promotion in the last 5 games they will return

If we are on for automatic promotion in the last 5 games they will return

Yep mainly because they will have bought a season ticket just before.

These are our average attendances and league positions over the last 20 odd years now updated. It is based on current names so dungeon is called league 2. I have put a possible mitigating factor for large (or low) attendance in last column.

I hope this shows that Cardiff have had crowds up during success and down when not so successful for years so this season's low crowds are to be expected and nothing to do with the rebrand, Tan being owner or Dai Hunt.

To make it really easy for Bakedalaskar I have even done the text in the colour kit we were playing in. This makes it incredibly easy for him to see exactly what colour we were wearing and proves in no uncertain terms that colour of kit has no impact on crowds and if anything it shows that when wearing red we gained fans not lost them.

Year- Level & Position- Average Attendance- Historical significance
2017/18 Championship (currently 2nd) 18,922
2016/17 Championship (12th) 16,564 no historical significance
2015/16 Championship (8th) 16,463 first year fully back in blue
2014/15 Championship (11th) 21,124 Season tickets sold from previous year plus lots of money spent on player under OGS. Changed to blue January 2015.
2013/14 Premiership (20th) 27,430 First year in top tier in ages
2012/13 Championship (1st) 22,299 Season tickets sold from League cup final + success and money spent on players but playing in red and 199 higher than year before
2011/12 Championship (6th) 22,100 Large number of 'Golden' season tickets sold year before
2010/11 Championship (4th) 23.194 Bellamy + top of table most of year + play off final year before
2009/10 Championship (4th) 20,717 First season new stadium
2008/09 Championship (7th) 18,000 Last season Ninian, FA Cup Final so season ticket sales high
2007/08 Championship (12th) 13,939 Nothing season low crowds
2006/07 Championship (13th) 15,223 Top of table after 12 games so 20k crowds dropping to 12k
2005/06 Championship (11th) 11,720 Mid table nothing happening crowds sub 10k regularly
2004/05 Championship (16th) 12,976 Sam's dream started to implode. Black Friday etc.
2003/04 Championship (13th) 15,569 First year in Championship
2002/03 League 1 (6th) 13,050 Promoted via playoffs. Money spent on players + Success
2001/02 League 1 (4th) 12,253 Back in League 1 + success
2000/01 League 2 (2nd) 7,962 First year of Sam. Money spent on players + success
1999/00 League 1 (21st) 6,895 Back in League 1 but relegated. Crowds started 10k +
1998/99 League 2 (3rd) 7,131 Frank Burrows takes us up. Success.
1997/98 League 2 (21st) 3,610 Dungeon performing badly. 20k say they went actually 3k
1996/97 League 2 (7th) 3,594 Relative success but still crowds low.
1995/96 League 2 (22nd) 3,420 Hangover from relegation year before.
1994/95 League 1 (22nd) 4,543 Sat lower league most of year, inevitable relegation.
1993/94 League 1 (19th) 6,072 Spike in crowds from promotion plus Cup Run boosted league crowds.
1992/93 League 2 (1st) 8,560 Eddie May's barmy army. Money spent + success under RW.
1991/92 League 2 (9th) 6,191 First bit of relative success in ages boosted crowds. Lots of children got into the City (including me). Large crowds back end of season.

Any question, comments or concerns please feel free to add.

You put that very clearly, so well you can clearly see we have lost about 4000 fans

Pre rebrand - 22,100 pushing for promotion
Post rebrand - 18,922 pushing for promotion.

Or pre rebrand 22,100 pushing for promotion
Post rebrand the very next year 22,299 pushing for promotion

Or in red 22,299 pushing for promotion
In blue 18,922 pushing for promotion

Yer talking bollocks again pal.

Crystal clear isn’t it?

These are our average attendances and league positions over the last 20 odd years now updated. It is based on current names so dungeon is called league 2. I have put a possible mitigating factor for large (or low) attendance in last column.

I hope this shows that Cardiff have had crowds up during success and down when not so successful for years so this season's low crowds are to be expected and nothing to do with the rebrand, Tan being owner or Dai Hunt.

To make it really easy for Bakedalaskar I have even done the text in the colour kit we were playing in. This makes it incredibly easy for him to see exactly what colour we were wearing and proves in no uncertain terms that colour of kit has no impact on crowds and if anything it shows that when wearing red we gained fans not lost them.

Year- Level & Position- Average Attendance- Historical significance
2017/18 Championship (currently 2nd) 18,922
2016/17 Championship (12th) 16,564 no historical significance
2015/16 Championship (8th) 16,463 first year fully back in blue
2014/15 Championship (11th) 21,124 Season tickets sold from previous year plus lots of money spent on player under OGS. Changed to blue January 2015.
2013/14 Premiership (20th) 27,430 First year in top tier in ages
2012/13 Championship (1st) 22,299 Season tickets sold from League cup final + success and money spent on players but playing in red and 199 higher than year before
2011/12 Championship (6th) 22,100 Large number of 'Golden' season tickets sold year before
2010/11 Championship (4th) 23.194 Bellamy + top of table most of year + play off final year before
2009/10 Championship (4th) 20,717 First season new stadium
2008/09 Championship (7th) 18,000 Last season Ninian, FA Cup Final so season ticket sales high
2007/08 Championship (12th) 13,939 Nothing season low crowds
2006/07 Championship (13th) 15,223 Top of table after 12 games so 20k crowds dropping to 12k
2005/06 Championship (11th) 11,720 Mid table nothing happening crowds sub 10k regularly
2004/05 Championship (16th) 12,976 Sam's dream started to implode. Black Friday etc.
2003/04 Championship (13th) 15,569 First year in Championship
2002/03 League 1 (6th) 13,050 Promoted via playoffs. Money spent on players + Success
2001/02 League 1 (4th) 12,253 Back in League 1 + success
2000/01 League 2 (2nd) 7,962 First year of Sam. Money spent on players + success
1999/00 League 1 (21st) 6,895 Back in League 1 but relegated. Crowds started 10k +
1998/99 League 2 (3rd) 7,131 Frank Burrows takes us up. Success.
1997/98 League 2 (21st) 3,610 Dungeon performing badly. 20k say they went actually 3k
1996/97 League 2 (7th) 3,594 Relative success but still crowds low.
1995/96 League 2 (22nd) 3,420 Hangover from relegation year before.
1994/95 League 1 (22nd) 4,543 Sat lower league most of year, inevitable relegation.
1993/94 League 1 (19th) 6,072 Spike in crowds from promotion plus Cup Run boosted league crowds.
1992/93 League 2 (1st) 8,560 Eddie May's barmy army. Money spent + success under RW.
1991/92 League 2 (9th) 6,191 First bit of relative success in ages boosted crowds. Lots of children got into the City (including me). Large crowds back end of season.

Any question, comments or concerns please feel free to add.

You put that very clearly, so well you can clearly see we have lost about 4000 fans

But not because of the rebrand.

Pre rebrand - 22,100 pushing for promotion
Post rebrand - 18,922 pushing for promotion.

Or pre rebrand 22,100 pushing for promotion
Post rebrand the very next year 22,299 pushing for promotion

Or in red 22,299 pushing for promotion
In blue 18,922 pushing for promotion

Yer talking bollocks again pal.

Crystal clear isn’t it?

Which is my point. There is no rhyme or reason to it apart from success brings higher crowds.

Pre rebrand - 22,100 pushing for promotion
Post rebrand - 18,922 pushing for promotion.

Or pre rebrand 22,100 pushing for promotion
Post rebrand the very next year 22,299 pushing for promotion

Or in red 22,299 pushing for promotion
In blue 18,922 pushing for promotion

Yer talking bollocks again pal.

Crystal clear isn’t it?

Which is my point. There is no rhyme or reason to it apart from success brings higher crowds.

Yeah we have loads of Gloria’s here in South Wales.
They came, they went.
When they went, we had c,early lost a few thou.
Plenty of people posting saying they haven’t been for a while or their mates do other things.
That’s life

These are our average attendances and league positions over the last 20 odd years now updated. It is based on current names so dungeon is called league 2. I have put a possible mitigating factor for large (or low) attendance in last column.

I hope this shows that Cardiff have had crowds up during success and down when not so successful for years so this season's low crowds are to be expected and nothing to do with the rebrand, Tan being owner or Dai Hunt.

To make it really easy for Bakedalaskar I have even done the text in the colour kit we were playing in. This makes it incredibly easy for him to see exactly what colour we were wearing and proves in no uncertain terms that colour of kit has no impact on crowds and if anything it shows that when wearing red we gained fans not lost them.

Year- Level & Position- Average Attendance- Historical significance
2017/18 Championship (currently 2nd) 18,922
2016/17 Championship (12th) 16,564 no historical significance
2015/16 Championship (8th) 16,463 first year fully back in blue
2014/15 Championship (11th) 21,124 Season tickets sold from previous year plus lots of money spent on player under OGS. Changed to blue January 2015.
2013/14 Premiership (20th) 27,430 First year in top tier in ages
2012/13 Championship (1st) 22,299 Season tickets sold from League cup final + success and money spent on players but playing in red and 199 higher than year before
2011/12 Championship (6th) 22,100 Large number of 'Golden' season tickets sold year before
2010/11 Championship (4th) 23.194 Bellamy + top of table most of year + play off final year before
2009/10 Championship (4th) 20,717 First season new stadium
2008/09 Championship (7th) 18,000 Last season Ninian, FA Cup Final so season ticket sales high
2007/08 Championship (12th) 13,939 Nothing season low crowds
2006/07 Championship (13th) 15,223 Top of table after 12 games so 20k crowds dropping to 12k
2005/06 Championship (11th) 11,720 Mid table nothing happening crowds sub 10k regularly
2004/05 Championship (16th) 12,976 Sam's dream started to implode. Black Friday etc.
2003/04 Championship (13th) 15,569 First year in Championship
2002/03 League 1 (6th) 13,050 Promoted via playoffs. Money spent on players + Success
2001/02 League 1 (4th) 12,253 Back in League 1 + success
2000/01 League 2 (2nd) 7,962 First year of Sam. Money spent on players + success
1999/00 League 1 (21st) 6,895 Back in League 1 but relegated. Crowds started 10k +
1998/99 League 2 (3rd) 7,131 Frank Burrows takes us up. Success.
1997/98 League 2 (21st) 3,610 Dungeon performing badly. 20k say they went actually 3k
1996/97 League 2 (7th) 3,594 Relative success but still crowds low.
1995/96 League 2 (22nd) 3,420 Hangover from relegation year before.
1994/95 League 1 (22nd) 4,543 Sat lower league most of year, inevitable relegation.
1993/94 League 1 (19th) 6,072 Spike in crowds from promotion plus Cup Run boosted league crowds.
1992/93 League 2 (1st) 8,560 Eddie May's barmy army. Money spent + success under RW.
1991/92 League 2 (9th) 6,191 First bit of relative success in ages boosted crowds. Lots of children got into the City (including me). Large crowds back end of season.

Any question, comments or concerns please feel free to add.

You put that very clearly, so well you can clearly see we have lost about 4000 fans

But not because of the rebrand.

Just enticements like fa cup final giving us false highs you think?

These are our average attendances and league positions over the last 20 odd years now updated. It is based on current names so dungeon is called league 2. I have put a possible mitigating factor for large (or low) attendance in last column.

I hope this shows that Cardiff have had crowds up during success and down when not so successful for years so this season's low crowds are to be expected and nothing to do with the rebrand, Tan being owner or Dai Hunt.

To make it really easy for Bakedalaskar I have even done the text in the colour kit we were playing in. This makes it incredibly easy for him to see exactly what colour we were wearing and proves in no uncertain terms that colour of kit has no impact on crowds and if anything it shows that when wearing red we gained fans not lost them.

Year- Level & Position- Average Attendance- Historical significance
2017/18 Championship (currently 2nd) 18,922
2016/17 Championship (12th) 16,564 no historical significance
2015/16 Championship (8th) 16,463 first year fully back in blue
2014/15 Championship (11th) 21,124 Season tickets sold from previous year plus lots of money spent on player under OGS. Changed to blue January 2015.
2013/14 Premiership (20th) 27,430 First year in top tier in ages
2012/13 Championship (1st) 22,299 Season tickets sold from League cup final + success and money spent on players but playing in red and 199 higher than year before
2011/12 Championship (6th) 22,100 Large number of 'Golden' season tickets sold year before
2010/11 Championship (4th) 23.194 Bellamy + top of table most of year + play off final year before
2009/10 Championship (4th) 20,717 First season new stadium
2008/09 Championship (7th) 18,000 Last season Ninian, FA Cup Final so season ticket sales high
2007/08 Championship (12th) 13,939 Nothing season low crowds
2006/07 Championship (13th) 15,223 Top of table after 12 games so 20k crowds dropping to 12k
2005/06 Championship (11th) 11,720 Mid table nothing happening crowds sub 10k regularly
2004/05 Championship (16th) 12,976 Sam's dream started to implode. Black Friday etc.
2003/04 Championship (13th) 15,569 First year in Championship
2002/03 League 1 (6th) 13,050 Promoted via playoffs. Money spent on players + Success
2001/02 League 1 (4th) 12,253 Back in League 1 + success
2000/01 League 2 (2nd) 7,962 First year of Sam. Money spent on players + success
1999/00 League 1 (21st) 6,895 Back in League 1 but relegated. Crowds started 10k +
1998/99 League 2 (3rd) 7,131 Frank Burrows takes us up. Success.
1997/98 League 2 (21st) 3,610 Dungeon performing badly. 20k say they went actually 3k
1996/97 League 2 (7th) 3,594 Relative success but still crowds low.
1995/96 League 2 (22nd) 3,420 Hangover from relegation year before.
1994/95 League 1 (22nd) 4,543 Sat lower league most of year, inevitable relegation.
1993/94 League 1 (19th) 6,072 Spike in crowds from promotion plus Cup Run boosted league crowds.
1992/93 League 2 (1st) 8,560 Eddie May's barmy army. Money spent + success under RW.
1991/92 League 2 (9th) 6,191 First bit of relative success in ages boosted crowds. Lots of children got into the City (including me). Large crowds back end of season.

Any question, comments or concerns please feel free to add.

You put that very clearly, so well you can clearly see we have lost about 4000 fans

But not because of the rebrand.

Just enticements like fa cup final giving us false highs you think?

Ridsdale (for all his considerable faults) was a master at publicity and using stuff like that to our advantage.

How many season tickets did he sell from the golden ticket scam?

We could do with him now.

I’m one of the fans who have been gone since the rebrand and I don’t plan on renewing my season ticket. I go to the odd game. There’s plenty more out there like me, there’s 5 just in my family that have stopped going. You are deluded if you think the club have not lost fans due to the rebrand.

I’m one of the fans who have been gone since the rebrand and I don’t plan on renewing my season ticket. I go to the odd game. There’s plenty more out there like me, there’s 5 just in my family that have stopped going. You are deluded if you think the club have not lost fans due to the rebrand.

Did you go the season we won the championship or when we were in the Premiership?

Don’t plan on renewing your season ticket? So you have one now?

I’m one of the fans who have been gone since the rebrand and I don’t plan on renewing my season ticket. I go to the odd game. There’s plenty more out there like me, there’s 5 just in my family that have stopped going. You are deluded if you think the club have not lost fans due to the rebrand.

I had one when we won the championship and I renewed before the rebrand was announced and before we were promoted. Since then I haven’t bothered. And I was a season ticket holder when we were below the championship. No I haven’t had a season ticket since the red nonsense and neither have a lot of people I knowZ

Did you go the season we won the championship or when we were in the Premiership?

Don’t plan on renewing your season ticket? So you have one now?

I’m one of the fans who have been gone since the rebrand and I don’t plan on renewing my season ticket. I go to the odd game. There’s plenty more out there like me, there’s 5 just in my family that have stopped going. You are deluded if you think the club have not lost fans due to the rebrand.

I had one when we won the championship and I renewed before the rebrand was announced and before we were promoted. Since then I haven’t bothered. And I was a season ticket holder when we were below the championship. No I haven’t had a season ticket since the red nonsense and neither have a lot of people I knowZ

Did you go the season we won the championship or when we were in the Premiership?

Don’t plan on renewing your season ticket? So you have one now?

We won the championship the year after the rebrand with the 15 million Tan invested.

If you were there the year we won the Championship you didn’t leave due to the rebrand.

I’m one of the fans who have been gone since the rebrand and I don’t plan on renewing my season ticket. I go to the odd game. There’s plenty more out there like me, there’s 5 just in my family that have stopped going. You are deluded if you think the club have not lost fans due to the rebrand.

I had one when we won the championship and I renewed before the rebrand was announced and before we were promoted. Since then I haven’t bothered. And I was a season ticket holder when we were below the championship. No I haven’t had a season ticket since the red nonsense and neither have a lot of people I knowZ

Did you go the season we won the championship or when we were in the Premiership?

Don’t plan on renewing your season ticket? So you have one now?

We won the championship the year after the rebrand with the 15 million Tan invested.

If you were there the year we won the Championship you didn’t leave due to the rebrand.

I just told you I renewed just before the rebrand was announced. I know the reason why I left, don’t try and tell me otherwise to back up your argument. You’re deluded to think we haven’t lost fans due to the rebrand and the circus of a club we became.

I’m one of the fans who have been gone since the rebrand and I don’t plan on renewing my season ticket. I go to the odd game. There’s plenty more out there like me, there’s 5 just in my family that have stopped going. You are deluded if you think the club have not lost fans due to the rebrand.

I had one when we won the championship and I renewed before the rebrand was announced and before we were promoted. Since then I haven’t bothered. And I was a season ticket holder when we were below the championship. No I haven’t had a season ticket since the red nonsense and neither have a lot of people I knowZ

Did you go the season we won the championship or when we were in the Premiership?

Don’t plan on renewing your season ticket? So you have one now?

We won the championship the year after the rebrand with the 15 million Tan invested.

If you were there the year we won the Championship you didn’t leave due to the rebrand.

I just told you I renewed just before the rebrand was announced. I know the reason why I left, don’t try and tell me otherwise to back up your argument. You’re deluded to think we haven’t lost fans due to the rebrand and the circus of a club we became.

Seanmogs were you one of the original fifty?

I’m one of the fans who have been gone since the rebrand and I don’t plan on renewing my season ticket. I go to the odd game. There’s plenty more out there like me, there’s 5 just in my family that have stopped going. You are deluded if you think the club have not lost fans due to the rebrand.

I had one when we won the championship and I renewed before the rebrand was announced and before we were promoted. Since then I haven’t bothered. And I was a season ticket holder when we were below the championship. No I haven’t had a season ticket since the red nonsense and neither have a lot of people I knowZ

Did you go the season we won the championship or when we were in the Premiership?

Don’t plan on renewing your season ticket? So you have one now?

We won the championship the year after the rebrand with the 15 million Tan invested.

If you were there the year we won the Championship you didn’t leave due to the rebrand.

I just told you I renewed just before the rebrand was announced. I know the reason why I left, don’t try and tell me otherwise to back up your argument. You’re deluded to think we haven’t lost fans due to the rebrand and the circus of a club we became.

And you didn’t go the whole year we were in the Premiership?

You were given an opportunity to get a refund on your season ticket. If you felt that strongly why didn’t you take them up on it?

I’m one of the fans who have been gone since the rebrand and I don’t plan on renewing my season ticket. I go to the odd game. There’s plenty more out there like me, there’s 5 just in my family that have stopped going. You are deluded if you think the club have not lost fans due to the rebrand.

I had one when we won the championship and I renewed before the rebrand was announced and before we were promoted. Since then I haven’t bothered. And I was a season ticket holder when we were below the championship. No I haven’t had a season ticket since the red nonsense and neither have a lot of people I knowZ

Did you go the season we won the championship or when we were in the Premiership?

Don’t plan on renewing your season ticket? So you have one now?

We won the championship the year after the rebrand with the 15 million Tan invested.

If you were there the year we won the Championship you didn’t leave due to the rebrand.

I didn’t go once the year we got promoted or in the prem. first game I did go to was Fulham back to blue.
Something had gone, not been back since. I just do other stuff but admit I haven’t been that often since we moved grounds for one reason or another....

I was one of six regulars who from my local pub. None of us went while we were in red, and none of us have seen City in the top flight. Two of us have returned since the club went back to blue, but the rest have found other ways to spend their weekends. I suppose if we get to the PL, they may come back. The change to red certainly cost the club support, but I think there are probably other reasons as well. I am surprised that we are not getting 20k plus on a regular basis given our league position, but perhaps tomorrow will see the fans start to return.