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Postby Forever Blue » Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:02 pm

" CARDIFF CITY'S POOR CROWDS INVESTIGATED " THE FACTS

Cardiff City's poor crowds investigated: The facts, the reasons and why the missing fans could yet return
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By Paul Abbandonato

FRIDAY 23RD FEB 2018

Bristol City boss Lee Johnson set the cat amongst the pigeons ahead of this weekend's huge Severnside derby by claiming Cardiff City Stadium is not intimidating and expressing shock at the 'empty seats' during matches.


NEIL WARNOCK:

Warnock openly says he can't do much more,"I have asked for the fans to come down here and support us"


NATHAN BLAKE:

Cardiff have a massive catchment area, there must be close on two million people they could tap into. For me they should definitely be getting at least 8,000 more fans at the moment than they are doing.




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THE FACTS AND FIGURES
Cardiff City Stadium has a capacity of 33,380 - the 24th biggest ground in the UK - yet only once has it been full this season. That was for the big FA Cup clash with Manchester City.

As we say, the Bluebirds appear in the lower half of the Championship attendance table. Their main rivals for promotion, Wolves, Aston Villa and Derby each have significantly bigger home gates. Bristol City, Fulham, Sheffield United and Middlesbrough, who also harbour hopes of going up, have larger home crowds too.

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Leeds United, who languish in 12th place in the real table, lead the way on gates.

The crowds table

Leeds: 32,011 (Elland Road average)

Aston Villa: 31,368

Wolves: 27,930

Sunderland: 27,708

Sheff Utd: 26,876

Derby: 26,705

Sheff Wed 25,934

Norwich: 27,744

Middlesbrough: 25.181

Nottm For: 24,776

Bristol City: 20,611

Birmingham: 20,551

Fulham: 19,301

Cardiff City: 18,922

Reading: 17,298

Ipswich: 16,544

Hull: 15,819

Bolton: 15,040

QPR: 14,051

Preston: 13,953

Barnsley: 13,829

Millwall: 12,527

Brentford: 9,985

Burton: 4,654

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Postby Forever Blue » Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:07 pm

CARDIFF CROWDS DOWN THE YEARS

To put this in a little historical context, the Bluebirds were drawing gates barely touching 3,000 in the bad old days of the 1980s before owner Rick Wright and manager Eddie May transformed things in the early 1990s.

But lift off really happened as we approached the building of the new stadium, with the first Championship match played there in August 2009.

In the last season at Ninian Park the average gate was 18,044, ,but the capacity was less than 20,000 and that improved as Dave Jones' team moved across the road to 20,717 and 23,194.

The two years under Malky Mackay saw crowds average 22,100 and 22,999, before the 27,430 high of the Premier League year.

In the first season back in the Championship the crowd was 21,124, before dips under Russell Slade, Paul Trollope and Warnock to 16,463 (2015-16 campaign) and 16,584 last year.

This season, because of Warnock's success, it has gone back up to almost 19,000 - but that is still down on the Jones and Mackay years.


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There wasn't much trouble selling out the ground for the Man City game. Nor should there be for the Premier League.


Cardiff can fill the ground, as proven versus Man City (Image: Huw Evans Picture Agency)
Sheffield United, who lag behind the Bluebirds in the table, are attracting close on 27,000 attendances. Are they really a bigger club than Cardiff City?

"Definitely not," says Bluebirds legend Nathan Blake, who has played for the two teams.

"No comparison. Cardiff are bigger, have a massive fan base they can draw upon.

"I recall playing a Premier League game for Sheffield United against Newcastle at Brammall Lane and my team-mates saying 'You just watch how many fans they bring. It'll be 5,000. They have incredible support. We've never seen anything like those numbers.'

"I replied 'It is incredible, but we had that travelling support for Cardiff City for a Division Three match at Scunthorpe. The ground held 7,500 - and 5,000 of them had come up from Cardiff'.

"They replied 'Shut-up', refusing to believe it. This was before the internet, so there were no instant figures available. I had to get the club secretary to speak to his Scunthorpe counterpart and dig out the numbers for me. When he showed them to my team-mates, they were genuinely gobsmacked.

"But that's how big Cardiff are. If Sheffield United can be drawing 26,000-plus crowds, then a Cardiff team in and around the top two should definitely be getting more."



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Postby Forever Blue » Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:08 pm

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The crowds table

Leeds: 32,011 (Elland Road average)

Aston Villa: 31,368

Wolves: 27,930

Sunderland: 27,708

Sheff Utd: 26,876

Derby: 26,705

Sheff Wed 25,934

Norwich: 27,744

Middlesbrough: 25.181

Nottm For: 24,776

Bristol City: 20,611

Birmingham: 20,551

Fulham: 19,301

Cardiff City: 18,922

Reading: 17,298

Ipswich: 16,544


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By Paul Abbandonato

FRIDAY 23RD FEB 2018


THE FAN (Annis Abraham, who led protest marches against Ridsdale and Tan)

"I'm based in Majorca but I have still bought a season ticket for this season. I do go on about this subject on my messageboard and social media and the reason for that is because I care.

"A club without a crowd is pointless. We are the ones who create the passion. The fans are the very soul of any football club.

"Yet the fact is Cardiff have lost thousands of fans. The club need to ask why they are not returning.

"The number of Cardiff fans going to away games is also down. Yet travelling fans coming to Cardiff City Stadium are swelling the gate at our home matches. So what I'm saying is that the number of Cardiff fans going to home matches is lower than the 18,000 average too.


"Cardiff City manager Neil Warnock has a great rapport with the fans and he is also calling for the City Fans to turn up"

"Listen, I've bought season tickets for 44 years. Many of the older fans, like myself, were accustomed to Cardiff being relegated every two to three years. The new fans don't really know the meaning of that word. We've had just one relegation in 18 years, and that was from the Premier League.

"Yet still the numbers are not as high as they should be. Despite the success.

"I fly back for certain matches and I'm left disappointed by the numbers and the atmosphere. I want to hear 'We are going up' and other chants rocking around the ground, but I end up feeling somewhat underwhelmed.

"I just believe Neil Warnock is doing such a fantastic job he deserves bigger crowds as the 12th man for the team. But because of the red and other factors, some have been put off for good. I'm not sure they will return."


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Postby Forever Blue » Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:10 pm

THE BACKGROUND

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This is important, because again it offers perspective on the current figures which some find disappointing.

Cardiff were drawing gates of around 11,000 when Sam Hammam brought Peter Ridsdale on board to ensure the new stadium project could be given the green light.

Hammam had wanted a 30,000-seater ground with the opportunity to take it up to 60,000. He really did believe Cardiff could attract huge attendances, tapping into the Welsh psyche to become the Barcelona of the UK.

Hammam had been seduced by 74,000 sell-outs for matches involving Mark Hughes' Wales team at the Millennium Stadium, even attempted to make Sparky Bluebirds manager.

Ridsdale adopted a far more sensible approach and presented a business plan to Cardiff Council for a 27,000 capacity stadium. His proposal included a predicted average attendance of 18,000.

It was the only part of the plan football financiers Deloitte disagreed with. They felt 18,000 was far too optimistic for a club whose average gate at the time lagged well behind that, and wanted the figure pegged back significantly.

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Ridsdale, however, stuck to his guns - and was proven right.

He had a moment of good fortune when Jones' side reached the 2008 FA Cup Final. That generated incredible interest and many of the new fans stayed on board.

There was the buzz of going to a new stadium. Plus, of course, the Golden Ticket scheme. This was the promise of a season ticket price freeze for five years, even if the club were promoted into the Premier League, if fans purchased one in December 2009 for the following season.

More than 10,000 were sold in a three week window just before Xmas. Never had Cardiff City season tickets been so popular. They would be the cheapest in the Premier League.

The scheme caused controversy afterwards, amid talk the money was used to pay an outstanding tax bill instead of going on new players.

But the fans were in effect 'locked' into the Cardiff City dream for at least five years.

There was a buzz about the new ground, Vincent Tan's £100m pledge, Wembley appearances and the drive towards the Premier League.

The supporters started turning up in numbers.
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NATHAN BLAKE:

Cardiff have a massive catchment area, there must be close on two million people they could tap into. For me they should definitely be getting at least 8,000 more fans at the moment than they are doing.

"So why is it not happening? Well in my opinion the disconnect has not been resolved properly and the club need to do more.

"I get annoyed because personally I feel there is a blase attitude. For me there isn't enough inclusiveness. As such some fans feel it's not really their club any more.

"I'm not sure enough respect has been paid to the club's tradition. It's not just about the present for any football club. Why is there not a museum of the Ninian Park history somewhere at the new ground? You wouldn't go to West Ham's new stadium and have no mention of Upton Park.

"There are so many traditional Cardiff strongholds. In the city, in the surrounding area, in the valleys. In Gwent, in the Vale. The club hierarchy need to go out to some of these Cardiff City hubs, sit down with the stay away fans and ask why? Then address the issues that are raised."






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Postby Forever Blue » Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:17 pm

WILL CROWDS GO UP?

There are seven home games left, starting with Bristol City this Sunday when a sizeable away following will surely swell numbers.

After that Cardiff have less glamorous games with strugglers Barnsley, Birmingham and Burton, ones they should win, but it remains to be seen what the numbers are.

Then comes the Easter rip-roarer with Wolves. That may well attract a 30,000 crowd, before the Bluebirds wind up with home clashes against Forest and Reading.

If promotion hinges upon those last two games, expect Cardiff City Stadium to be sold out.
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Postby Forever Blue » Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:20 pm

THE MAN WHO BUILT THE STADIUM (Peter Ridsdale, former Cardiff chairman)

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"When I first put forward a predicted 18,000 attendance for the new stadium, some people thought I had been smoking pot!

"Remember, Cardiff City gates used to be right down. Deloitte weren't convinced it was a football city.

"But we went out and engaged with the community, explained they could be part of something.

"A lot of things went our way, the FA Cup Final, the new stadium factor. But we also had to work hard at it. I was there at 7am until midnight at times.

"I'm not convinced the decision to increase the capacity by 8,000 was wise. Previously there was a feeling you had to buy a season ticket to ensure you could get in. Suddenly, with the extra seats, fans may feel it's easier to get their hands on one, can pick and choose games.

"We had a policy to lock in loyalty, make season ticket holders feel a part of it.

"The rebrand obviously lost goodwill amongst many fans. To be fair, Vincent has reversed that decision, but it appears something radical has to change to get the goodwill and the misisng fans back.

"The Premier League could be that. Neil Warnock is doing an outstanding job, but there has to be a vision for the future too."
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Postby Forever Blue » Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:22 pm

DOES IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE?

Yes. Despite what Lee Johnson reckons, Cardiff City Stadium IS an intimidating venue for opposition teams. The Cardiff fans are fantastic, so passionate and noisy you see how they influence referees at times. That aids the team, of course.

So if it's like that with 18,000 in there, imagine what it would be like with the ground packed to the rafters?

Actually, we've seen what it does already when Wales play there. 'You can't beat 30,000 screaming Taffs,' as Chris Coleman put it.
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Postby Forever Blue » Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:24 pm

NEIL WARNOCK:

Warnock openly says he can't do much more,"I have asked for the fans to come down here and support us"

Warnock openly says he can't do much more. Maybe his football isn't always the most easy on the eye, but it is winning football. It is close to delivering the Premier League dream. The fans who do attend love it.

There are suggestions Cardiff should give away tickets to local schools, have better marketing campaigns. But this is easier said than done. There also has to be fair play for those who have already parted with their money.
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Postby Forever Blue » Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:28 pm

THE REASONS FOR FANS STAYING AWAY

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FRIDAY 23RD FEB 2018


It is far too simplistic to put the blame solely at Vincent Tan's door. Without him, there might not even be a Cardiff City FC to support today. His deep pockets have helped keep the club afloat.

However, the rebrand undoubtedly scarred some hard-core fans, kind of 'cured' them of their Cardiff City addiction.


The controversy surrounding Malky Mackay - at the time and also with unsavoury subsequent events - didn't help.

But perhaps most significantly the buzz of the Bluebirds doing well changed and they dropped to the foot of the Premier League. The more playing fortunes dipped, the more the rebrand appeared to become an issue.

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's team were too gung-ho and looked capable of losing every match. Then we had the other extreme of the utterly dire football served up under Russell Slade, which some said was the worst they had seen since the Alan Durban days of the 1980s.


It was truly awful route one rubbish, leading stars were sold, imitations from the lower divisions took their places. The fans started voting with their feet.

Paul Trollope was another uninspiring appointment. It was only when Warnock came in that fans were re-energised.

But once you are out of the habit of going, and begin doing different things on a Saturday afternoon, it's evidently not always easy to revert to type.



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Postby skiprat » Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:42 pm

the top 10 supported clubs in the championship are the clubs who have spent the most years in the top division.This proves that a clubs All TIME history has a big effect on current crowds.having said that cardiffs crowds shouldn't ever dip below 20000 in our current position I believe.
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Postby Forever Blue » Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:47 pm

skiprat wrote:the top 10 supported clubs in the championship are the clubs who have spent the most years in the top division.This proves that a clubs All TIME history has a big effect on current crowds.having said that cardiffs crowds shouldn't ever dip below 20000 in our current position I believe.


We have been this road before Sheffield United just spent 5 years in the lower divisions and have not had major success for over 70 odd years.

Birmingham have been in the bottom for all season, it took them a year to win their home game.

Where as Cardiff have been in the Top 2 for 5 months and never been below 4th for the whole season so far.

Only 5-7 years ago,our crowds for two years were in the Top 5 home averages and never went below 20,000.



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Postby CaerphillyBluebird15 » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:07 pm

Why don't they just send a questionnaire to all Cardiff season ticket holders in the last 15 - 20 years and ask the ones who no longer attend why... simple really.
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Postby Forever Blue » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:13 pm

CaerphillyBluebird15 wrote:Why don't they just send a questionnaire to all Cardiff season ticket holders in the last 15 - 20 years and ask the ones who no longer attend why... simple really.


Liam, there are 260,000 registered at City.

Prob only 150,000 fans that have not say changed address etc.

When there is a game like Man City,Leeds home etc or Brentford away its now been proved, TV,times,days, etc don't put Cardiff fans off if they really want to watch City,so those excuses for the majority of City fans I always knew don't exist.

City should email say 5 simple questions :thumbright: :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird:
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Postby Forever Blue » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:15 pm

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Postby skiprat » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:22 pm

The top ten supported clubs in the championship are the clubs who have spent the most seasons in the top flight.




Sheffield United have just spent 5 years in the lower divisions and have not had major success for over 70 odd years.

Birmingham have been in the bottom for all season, it took them a year to win their home game.

Where as Cardiff have been in the Top 2 for 5 months and never been below 4th for the whole season so far.

Only 5-7 years ago,our crowds for two years were in the Top 5 home averages and never went below 20,000.



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Postby CaerphillyBluebird15 » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:23 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
CaerphillyBluebird15 wrote:Why don't they just send a questionnaire to all Cardiff season ticket holders in the last 15 - 20 years and ask the ones who no longer attend why... simple really.


Liam, there are 260,000 registered at City.

Prob only 150,000 fans that have not say changed address etc.

When there is a game like Man City,Leeds home etc or Brentford away its now been proved, TV,times,days, etc don't put Cardiff fans off if they really want to watch City,so those excuses for the majority of City fans I always knew don't exist.

City should email say 5 simple questions :thumbright: :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird:


An email would be ideal but its getting hold of details.
I suppose with social media these days it would be easy for the CCFC twitter to post a link with questions.
A fair few would rip into Tan and he would probably throw his toys out of the pram.
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Postby paulh_85 » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:26 pm

a whole thread of c&p



annis, you dont go to games yourself. you are a perfect example of someones circumstances keeping them away from attending, i dont know why you ignore this for others
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Postby theclaw » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:29 pm

Maybe the club should have put aside a little of that £10 million for player bonus if they get promoted to bring down season ticket prices.
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Postby skiprat » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:29 pm

I give up I really do zzzzz.
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Postby CaerphillyBluebird15 » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:30 pm

theclaw wrote:Maybe the club should have put aside a little of that £10 million for player bonus if they get promoted to bring down season ticket prices.


Mate, They are 300 quid... can't moan at that surely :laughing6:
I don't attend home games but the ticket prices are reasonable to be fair.
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Postby Forever Blue » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:37 pm

paulh_85 wrote:a whole thread of c&p



annis, you dont go to games yourself. you are a perfect example of someones circumstances keeping them away from attending, i dont know why you ignore this for others


Paulh, I am registered as one of those 18,000 City fans at every game, I hope you are :D

I also believe 43 consecutive seasons as a Cardiff City season ticket holder entitles me to have my opinion :thumbright: :bluebird:

Watched City at home over 2,000 times incl League/Friendlies/Cup & reserve matches :thumbright:

Plus 770 different football grounds I have attended.
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Postby 1980s Bluebird » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:38 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:a whole thread of c&p



annis, you dont go to games yourself. you are a perfect example of someones circumstances keeping them away from attending, i dont know why you ignore this for others


Paulh, I am registered as one of those 18,000 City fans at every game, I hope you are :D

I also believe 43 consecutive seasons as a Cardiff City season ticket holder entitles me to have my opinion :thumbright: :bluebird:

Plus 770 ifferent football grounds I have attended.


You plastic Annis :D
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Postby paulh_85 » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:43 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:a whole thread of c&p



annis, you dont go to games yourself. you are a perfect example of someones circumstances keeping them away from attending, i dont know why you ignore this for others


Paulh, I am registered as one of those 18,000 City fans at every game, I hope you are :D

I also believe 43 consecutive seasons as a Cardiff City season ticket holder entitles me to have my opinion :thumbright: :bluebird:

Watched City at home over 2,000 times incl League/Friendlies/Cup & reserve matches :thumbright:

Plus 770 different football grounds I have attended.



and your circumstances have changed now, so you no longer go to every home game... just like a lot of other people :ayatollah:
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Postby Forever Blue » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:45 pm

1980s Bluebird wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:a whole thread of c&p



annis, you dont go to games yourself. you are a perfect example of someones circumstances keeping them away from attending, i dont know why you ignore this for others


Paulh, I am registered as one of those 18,000 City fans at every game, I hope you are :D

I also believe 43 consecutive seasons as a Cardiff City season ticket holder entitles me to have my opinion :thumbright: :bluebird:

Plus 770 different football grounds I have attended.


You plastic Annis :D


:lol:

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Postby Forever Blue » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:46 pm

paulh_85 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:a whole thread of c&p



annis, you dont go to games yourself. you are a perfect example of someones circumstances keeping them away from attending, i dont know why you ignore this for others


Paulh, I am registered as one of those 18,000 City fans at every game, I hope you are :D

I also believe 43 consecutive seasons as a Cardiff City season ticket holder entitles me to have my opinion :thumbright: :bluebird:

Watched City at home over 2,000 times incl League/Friendlies/Cup & reserve matches :thumbright:

Plus 770 different football grounds I have attended.



and your circumstances have changed now, so you no longer go to every home game... just like a lot of other people :ayatollah:


Still down as being there and yes changed big time and so does it for others :thumbright:

So what about new fans that come in?

How do other clubs cope when fans move away as its not effected them :lol:

Are you a season ticket holder?


So Paulh, Am I not entitled to my view on Cardiff because I live abroad now?
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Postby steve davies » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:50 pm

paulh_85 wrote:a whole thread of c&p





I know the rebrand gets bandied about all the time but the support was there during the premiership and would have stayed if we had not got relegated regardless of colour.
i know quite a few lads who i went away with for years who had little spare cash and bought their tickets home and away for years on a thursday or friday after they had been paid. those people never had a chance of seeing us in the premiership as they could not afford season tickets and in reality the club dident care less about them as they knew they would be replaced by new fans.
very few of those original fans go now and another point that shouldent be ignored is that during the premiership year this forum run 2 maybe 3 coaches to the away games through the travel club despite the fact we were in red.
once we got relegated and even turned back to blue the numbers went down so badly that they could barely muster a coachload for games. what happened to those fans?
The truth is we are a fickle fan base and ive been going since 1966 (stopped two years ago) and have seen us have huge crowds at home one week ( hereford) and a crowd a third of the size for the following home match. its always been the same with away games as well.
If we stay second over the next month the crowds will grow to late 20k for games if we have a slump they will drop back to 20k and if we reach wembley through the play offs we will be able to sell 50k if allowed.
we are just a fickle fan base who pick and choose what games they want to see manchester city proved that
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Postby theclaw » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:50 pm

CaerphillyBluebird15 wrote:
theclaw wrote:Maybe the club should have put aside a little of that £10 million for player bonus if they get promoted to bring down season ticket prices.


Mate, They are 300 quid... can't moan at that surely :laughing6:
I don't attend home games but the ticket prices are reasonable to be fair.

Not so much moaning but just stating a fact,if perhaps there was a bonus clause if you bought a season ticket this year and we got promoted there would’ve a bonus/reduction for next season.After all if it’s good for the players why not us Nd it’s the club that is moaning not me.
I’m not that bothered about crowd numbers any more as long as I’m there :laughing6:
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Postby boyo1927 » Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:06 pm

steve davies wrote:



I know the rebrand gets bandied about all the time but the support was there during the premiership and would have stayed if we had not got relegated regardless of colour.
i know quite a few lads who i went away with for years who had little spare cash and bought their tickets home and away for years on a thursday or friday after they had been paid. those people never had a chance of seeing us in the premiership as they could not afford season tickets and in reality the club dident care less about them as they knew they would be replaced by new fans.
very few of those original fans go now and another point that shouldent be ignored is that during the premiership year this forum run 2 maybe 3 coaches to the away games through the travel club despite the fact we were in red.
once we got relegated and even turned back to blue the numbers went down so badly that they could barely muster a coachload for games. what happened to those fans?
The truth is we are a fickle fan base and ive been going since 1966 (stopped two years ago) and have seen us have huge crowds at home one week ( hereford) and a crowd a third of the size for the following home match. its always been the same with away games as well.
If we stay second over the next month the crowds will grow to late 20k for games if we have a slump they will drop back to 20k and if we reach wembley through the play offs we will be able to sell 50k if allowed.
we are just a fickle fan base who pick and choose what games they want to see manchester city proved that







Agree with this, we have proved this many seasons since I have followed in 1992. BRENTFORD away we took 3500 with 1000 locked out and fans in home end. This was the time before you had to get a ticket. But then less than a 100 for an away game up north or wherever. Same at home, certain games be it a big away club or just a big match would get fans interested.

I have been Dissapointed with our support. Most of my circle of friends have simply got out of habit, new families taking priority. Its not just the match price, used to be lads day out from 12 at the pub sometimes after the game, food! I like going just for the football as I love going, lots I know used to go for the overall occasion
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