Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:02 pm
maccydee wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:maccydee wrote:Steve the Tea TM (c) wrote:The harsh fact is this: during our promotion season under Malky we averaged 23,000 and yet this season we are pleased to get 17,000. Simply put we've lost 6,000 fans a game.
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They liked the red.
We have lost fans since going back to blue.
I’m off to hide.
Before you do Neil i recall you saying that the fans would return when we started winning again.
So.........?
Our crowds are up on last year.
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:04 pm
Bakedalasker wrote:maccydee wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:maccydee wrote:Steve the Tea TM (c) wrote:The harsh fact is this: during our promotion season under Malky we averaged 23,000 and yet this season we are pleased to get 17,000. Simply put we've lost 6,000 fans a game.
StT.
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They liked the red.
We have lost fans since going back to blue.
I’m off to hide.
Before you do Neil i recall you saying that the fans would return when we started winning again.
So.........?
Our crowds are up on last year.
But still way down when we were in a similar situation with Malky at the helm.
I've stated over the last few seasons the re-brand has caused more damage than quite a few want to believe. I've had to wait until now to prove how right I was.
I never believe return to blue would bring the fans back. What it did do was stop us going down to dungeon levels. I will admit some did think the crowds would return but they obviously underestimated the damaged done by the re-brand. That is very clear now.
the only way I can see a return to what it was is for Tan to sell up and a charismatic owner to take over then that depends on how many of those who left have not lost interest in the club. something tells me the longer Tan stays here the less chance we have of getting the crowds we know we can get.
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:09 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Milkybarkid wrote:In the many season in the 80s we had less than 120,000 spectators for the whole season some years less than 100,000 We can do that now in 5 to 6 games We have come a long way and our catchment area was no much smaller than it is now . Some people think that was the good old days
We are talking about 37 years later
And 17 years of virtual non stop success, not relegated once from the Championship, 4 Wembley Appearances, best ever season for 51 years, Champions/promoted to the Premier League. Play off winners, three promotions etc etc Top name players played for us/ New Stadium etc etc
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:17 pm
Milkybarkid wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Milkybarkid wrote:In the many season in the 80s we had less than 120,000 spectators for the whole season some years less than 100,000 We can do that now in 5 to 6 games We have come a long way and our catchment area was no much smaller than it is now . Some people think that was the good old days
We are talking about 37 years later
And 17 years of virtual non stop success, not relegated once from the Championship, 4 Wembley Appearances, best ever season for 51 years, Champions/promoted to the Premier League. Play off winners, three promotions etc etc Top name players played for us/ New Stadium etc etc
Annis
Love your passion for city When I was younger I thought if city were successful we could get crowds of 40,000 but that was wishful thinking . Sometimes when you are so invested in the club like yourself I think you can become blinkered to the real facts that unless we are in the premiership we will not get massive crowds . People will go to see the big teams just like people go to see big bands or acts Football has changed and so has the watching audience . I would guess that our % rise in crowds is as good as most teams from the 80s
I really wish you were right about the crowds but we see as success and the things you have mentioned are not seen as success these days People see 10 years in the lower half of the premiership without the chance of winning anything as being more successful I am afraid
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:18 pm
Forever Blue wrote:maccydee wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:maccydee wrote:Steve the Tea TM (c) wrote:The harsh fact is this: during our promotion season under Malky we averaged 23,000 and yet this season we are pleased to get 17,000. Simply put we've lost 6,000 fans a game.
StT.
<><
They liked the red.
We have lost fans since going back to blue.
I’m off to hide.
Before you do Neil i recall you saying that the fans would return when we started winning again.
So.........?
Our crowds are up on last year.
Not by much at all Neil and way down on when Malky got us promoted.
First the away support coming here has doubled.
Second We have reduced prices massively.
And 3rd the main point City being Second,Top and in the Top Three for Five months, even my local village the crowds would go up
Why are City,Neil Warnock and Vince Alm continually begging for bigger crowds and even stating how let down they are?
Some honesty Neil please?
City have 260,000 so called fans registered, where are they?
1.2mill people with in 10 miles of Cardiff and of course including Cardiff, with NO competition.
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:20 pm
Forever Blue wrote:maccydee wrote:Forever Blue wrote:maccydee wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:maccydee wrote:Steve the Tea TM (c) wrote:The harsh fact is this: during our promotion season under Malky we averaged 23,000 and yet this season we are pleased to get 17,000. Simply put we've lost 6,000 fans a game.
StT.
<><
They liked the red.
We have lost fans since going back to blue.
I’m off to hide.
Before you do Neil i recall you saying that the fans would return when we started winning again.
So.........?
Our crowds are up on last year.
Not by much at all Neil and way down on when Malky got us promoted.
First the away support coming here has doubled.
Second We have reduced prices massively.
And 3rd the main point City being Second,Top and in the Top Three for Five months, even my local village the crowds would go up
Why are City,Neil Warnock and Vince Alm continually begging for bigger crowds and even stating how let down they are?
Some honesty Neil please?
City have 260,000 so called fans registered, where are they?
1.2mill people with in 10 miles of Cardiff and of course including Cardiff, with NO competition.
Finally stating the truth about Malky Annis.
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:34 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Forever Blue wrote:maccydee wrote:Forever Blue wrote:maccydee wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:maccydee wrote:Steve the Tea TM (c) wrote:The harsh fact is this: during our promotion season under Malky we averaged 23,000 and yet this season we are pleased to get 17,000. Simply put we've lost 6,000 fans a game.
StT.
<><
They liked the red.
We have lost fans since going back to blue.
I’m off to hide.
Before you do Neil i recall you saying that the fans would return when we started winning again.
So.........?
Our crowds are up on last year.
Not by much at all Neil and way down on when Malky got us promoted.
First the away support coming here has doubled.
Second We have reduced prices massively.
And 3rd the main point City being Second,Top and in the Top Three for Five months, even my local village the crowds would go up
Why are City,Neil Warnock and Vince Alm continually begging for bigger crowds and even stating how let down they are?
Some honesty Neil please?
City have 260,000 so called fans registered, where are they?
1.2mill people with in 10 miles of Cardiff and of course including Cardiff, with NO competition.
Finally stating the truth about Malky Annis.
? ?
Neil, Once again, you've not answered the questions and virtually changed the whole subject.
Can you ever answer the actual questions please
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:35 pm
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:37 pm
Fergy1927 wrote:I think he means you called Malay Milky in your post Annis. I think Bakedalaser is right, the rebrand has still put off large numbers of hardcore fans. Annis is right too in that the South Wales public mostly want to watch successful teams. The team deserves more support but Cardiff doesn’t seem to be that bothered unless we are in the premier league.
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:39 pm
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:42 pm
maccydee wrote:Using your privilege to change your post Annis. It’s not what you know.
To be fair it is your site.
You were right first time though.
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:43 pm
Bakedalasker wrote:maccydee wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:maccydee wrote:Steve the Tea TM (c) wrote:The harsh fact is this: during our promotion season under Malky we averaged 23,000 and yet this season we are pleased to get 17,000. Simply put we've lost 6,000 fans a game.
StT.
<><
They liked the red.
We have lost fans since going back to blue.
I’m off to hide.
Before you do Neil i recall you saying that the fans would return when we started winning again.
So.........?
Our crowds are up on last year.
But still way down when we were in a similar situation with Malky at the helm.
I've stated over the last few seasons the re-brand has caused more damage than quite a few want to believe. I've had to wait until now to prove how right I was.
I never believe return to blue would bring the fans back. What it did do was stop us going down to dungeon levels. I will admit some did think the crowds would return but they obviously underestimated the damaged done by the re-brand. That is very clear now.
the only way I can see a return to what it was is for Tan to sell up and a charismatic owner to take over then that depends on how many of those who left have not lost interest in the club. something tells me the longer Tan stays here the less chance we have of getting the crowds we know we can get.
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:43 pm
Bakedalasker wrote:maccydee wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:maccydee wrote:Steve the Tea TM (c) wrote:The harsh fact is this: during our promotion season under Malky we averaged 23,000 and yet this season we are pleased to get 17,000. Simply put we've lost 6,000 fans a game.
StT.
<><
They liked the red.
We have lost fans since going back to blue.
I’m off to hide.
Before you do Neil i recall you saying that the fans would return when we started winning again.
So.........?
Our crowds are up on last year.
But still way down when we were in a similar situation with Malky at the helm.
I've stated over the last few seasons the re-brand has caused more damage than quite a few want to believe. I've had to wait until now to prove how right I was.
I never believe return to blue would bring the fans back. What it did do was stop us going down to dungeon levels. I will admit some did think the crowds would return but they obviously underestimated the damaged done by the re-brand. That is very clear now.
the only way I can see a return to what it was is for Tan to sell up and a charismatic owner to take over then that depends on how many of those who left have not lost interest in the club. something tells me the longer Tan stays here the less chance we have of getting the crowds we know we can get.
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:44 pm
maccydee wrote:Fergy1927 wrote:I think he means you called Malay Milky in your post Annis. I think Bakedalaser is right, the rebrand has still put off large numbers of hardcore fans. Annis is right too in that the South Wales public mostly want to watch successful teams. The team deserves more support but Cardiff doesn’t seem to be that bothered unless we are in the premier league.
See above why the rebrand argument is bullshit.
Any fans that did one have been replaced and then some. Plus, anyone who still uses that as an excuse isn’t a fan. We are back in blue.
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:46 pm
Fergy1927 wrote:I think he means you called Malky Milky in your post Annis. I think Bakedalaser is right, the rebrand has still put off large numbers of hardcore fans. Annis is right too in that the South Wales public mostly want to watch successful teams. The team deserves more support but Cardiff doesn’t seem to be that bothered unless we are in the premier league.
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:47 pm
WelshPatriot wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:maccydee wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:maccydee wrote:Steve the Tea TM (c) wrote:The harsh fact is this: during our promotion season under Malky we averaged 23,000 and yet this season we are pleased to get 17,000. Simply put we've lost 6,000 fans a game.
StT.
<><
They liked the red.
We have lost fans since going back to blue.
I’m off to hide.
Before you do Neil i recall you saying that the fans would return when we started winning again.
So.........?
Our crowds are up on last year.
But still way down when we were in a similar situation with Malky at the helm.
I've stated over the last few seasons the re-brand has caused more damage than quite a few want to believe. I've had to wait until now to prove how right I was.
I never believe return to blue would bring the fans back. What it did do was stop us going down to dungeon levels. I will admit some did think the crowds would return but they obviously underestimated the damaged done by the re-brand. That is very clear now.
the only way I can see a return to what it was is for Tan to sell up and a charismatic owner to take over then that depends on how many of those who left have not lost interest in the club. something tells me the longer Tan stays here the less chance we have of getting the crowds we know we can get.
You can't compare the 2 periods. The promotion season you refer to was on the back of a very successful season previous which saw us get into the play offs and go to Wembley to play Liverpool in the cup final. X amount of thousands bought season tickets for the following season alone just to make sure they could get a Wembley ticket.
This season by comparison is on the back of a poor season without a cup run.
They simply can't be compared.
What do you thiNk the crowds would be right now if we'd gone to Wembley last season and finished in play offs?
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:47 pm
Steve the Tea TM (c) wrote:The harsh fact is this: during our promotion season under Malky we averaged 23,000 and yet this season we are pleased to get 17,000. Simply put we've lost 6,000 fans a game.
StT.
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Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:52 pm
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:52 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Fergy1927 wrote:I think he means you called Malky Milky in your post Annis. I think Bakedalaser is right, the rebrand has still put off large numbers of hardcore fans. Annis is right too in that the South Wales public mostly want to watch successful teams. The team deserves more support but Cardiff doesn’t seem to be that bothered unless we are in the premier league.
Sadly your right in some ways, Rebrand lost a few thousand hardcore fans.
100% it did and I know hundreds who feel the same about it.
Neil won't agree as he never cared about it
Also some how my phone called Malky a pathetic name, I apologies Malky
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:54 pm
WelshPatriot wrote:Anybody still using the re-brand as reason not to attend needs to sort themselves out it's pathetic we've moved on.
Having said that I don't know anyone not attending because of it. Is it a myth??
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:57 pm
maccydee wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Fergy1927 wrote:I think he means you called Malky Milky in your post Annis. I think Bakedalaser is right, the rebrand has still put off large numbers of hardcore fans. Annis is right too in that the South Wales public mostly want to watch successful teams. The team deserves more support but Cardiff doesn’t seem to be that bothered unless we are in the premier league.
Sadly your right in some ways, Rebrand lost a few thousand hardcore fans.
100% it did and I know hundreds who feel the same about it.
Neil won't agree as he never cared about it
Also some how my phone called Malky a pathetic name, I apologies Malky
How many stopped going straight after the rebrand? I’d be shocked if that was thousands.
I know many stopped going a year or more after the rebrand. They were just people looking for an excuse.
Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:00 pm
WelshPatriot wrote:Steve the Tea TM (c) wrote:The harsh fact is this: during our promotion season under Malky we averaged 23,000 and yet this season we are pleased to get 17,000. Simply put we've lost 6,000 fans a game.
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On the back of previous season finishing in playoffs and playing Liverpool in the final at Wembley.That contributed massively to the 23k crowds this season on the back of a crap season with no cup final.
Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:03 pm
Forever Blue wrote:maccydee wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Fergy1927 wrote:I think he means you called Malky Milky in your post Annis. I think Bakedalaser is right, the rebrand has still put off large numbers of hardcore fans. Annis is right too in that the South Wales public mostly want to watch successful teams. The team deserves more support but Cardiff doesn’t seem to be that bothered unless we are in the premier league.
Sadly your right in some ways, Rebrand lost a few thousand hardcore fans.
100% it did and I know hundreds who feel the same about it.
Neil won't agree as he never cared about it
Also some how my phone called Malky a pathetic name, I apologies Malky
How many stopped going straight after the rebrand? I’d be shocked if that was thousands.
I know many stopped going a year or more after the rebrand. They were just people looking for an excuse.
TUT TUT Neil still not answered any of my questions???
Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:34 pm
Forever Blue wrote:maccydee wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:maccydee wrote:Steve the Tea TM (c) wrote:The harsh fact is this: during our promotion season under Malky we averaged 23,000 and yet this season we are pleased to get 17,000. Simply put we've lost 6,000 fans a game.
StT.
<><
They liked the red.
We have lost fans since going back to blue.
I’m off to hide.
Before you do Neil i recall you saying that the fans would return when we started winning again.
So.........?
Our crowds are up on last year.
Not by much at all Neil and way down on when Malky got us promoted.
First the away support coming here has doubled.
Second We have reduced prices massively.
And 3rd the main point City being Second,Top and in the Top Three for Five months, even my local village the crowds would go up
Why are City,Neil Warnock and Vince Alm continually begging for bigger crowds and even stating how let down they are?
Some honesty Neil please?
City have 260,000 so called fans registered, where are they?
1.2mill people with in 10 miles of Cardiff and of course including Cardiff, with NO competition?
Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:58 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Forever Blue wrote:maccydee wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:maccydee wrote:Steve the Tea TM (c) wrote:The harsh fact is this: during our promotion season under Malky we averaged 23,000 and yet this season we are pleased to get 17,000. Simply put we've lost 6,000 fans a game.
StT.
<><
They liked the red.
We have lost fans since going back to blue.
I’m off to hide.
Before you do Neil i recall you saying that the fans would return when we started winning again.
So.........?
Our crowds are up on last year.
Not by much at all Neil and way down on when Malky got us promoted.
First the away support coming here has doubled.
Second We have reduced prices massively.
And 3rd the main point City being Second,Top and in the Top Three for Five months, even my local village the crowds would go up
Why are City,Neil Warnock and Vince Alm continually begging for bigger crowds and even stating how let down they are?
Some honesty Neil please?
City have 260,000 so called fans registered, where are they?
? ? ?
1.2mill people with in 10 miles of Cardiff and of course including Cardiff, with NO competition?
Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:08 pm
maccydee wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Forever Blue wrote:maccydee wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:maccydee wrote:Steve the Tea TM (c) wrote:The harsh fact is this: during our promotion season under Malky we averaged 23,000 and yet this season we are pleased to get 17,000. Simply put we've lost 6,000 fans a game.
StT.
<><
They liked the red.
We have lost fans since going back to blue.
I’m off to hide.
Before you do Neil i recall you saying that the fans would return when we started winning again.
So.........?
Our crowds are up on last year.
Not by much at all Neil and way down on when Malky got us promoted.
First the away support coming here has doubled.
Second We have reduced prices massively.
And 3rd the main point City being Second,Top and in the Top Three for Five months, even my local village the crowds would go up
Why are City,Neil Warnock and Vince Alm continually begging for bigger crowds and even stating how let down they are?
Some honesty Neil please?
City have 260,000 so called fans registered, where are they?
? ? ?
1.2mill people with in 10 miles of Cardiff and of course including Cardiff, with NO competition?
Neil Warnock is asking for bigger crowds as he is the manager of our club and knows more crowds equals more money potentially in January to spend but more crucially less hassle in the summer when Our premiership payments stop. Plus he’s an old fashioned manager who knows more fans equals more noise.
Vince and Corky are reps of the supporters clubs so of course they want bigger crowds. Also They have probably told me the hierarchy that Blue would mean an increase in crowds which simply hasn’t happened so probably look a tad silly as many of our fans do over such points like this and bigger than Barcelona nonsense.
260,000 fans registered is not realistic. I’m registered in 5 addresses. My brother in 2. They are not 260,000 separate people.
1.2 million people within 10 miles of Cardiff?
I would suggest 1.2 million within 30 miles of cardiff is more accurate. Cardiff’s population is under 500k. How many are students though with no interest in football. As you push out 30 miles West Wales’ only Premiership team becomes a factor.
We have a large male population. We see that every time Wales play rugby when hundreds of thousands go to watch the game or are in the surrounding area. While we are a culture so steeped in rugby we won’t get numbers To football.
Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:57 pm
Forever Blue wrote:maccydee wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Forever Blue wrote:maccydee wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:maccydee wrote:Steve the Tea TM (c) wrote:The harsh fact is this: during our promotion season under Malky we averaged 23,000 and yet this season we are pleased to get 17,000. Simply put we've lost 6,000 fans a game.
StT.
<><
They liked the red.
We have lost fans since going back to blue.
I’m off to hide.
Before you do Neil i recall you saying that the fans would return when we started winning again.
So.........?
Our crowds are up on last year.
Not by much at all Neil and way down on when Malky got us promoted.
First the away support coming here has doubled.
Second We have reduced prices massively.
And 3rd the main point City being Second,Top and in the Top Three for Five months, even my local village the crowds would go up
Why are City,Neil Warnock and Vince Alm continually begging for bigger crowds and even stating how let down they are?
Some honesty Neil please?
City have 260,000 so called fans registered, where are they?
? ? ?
1.2mill people with in 10 miles of Cardiff and of course including Cardiff, with NO competition?
Neil Warnock is asking for bigger crowds as he is the manager of our club and knows more crowds equals more money potentially in January to spend but more crucially less hassle in the summer when Our premiership payments stop. Plus he’s an old fashioned manager who knows more fans equals more noise.
Vince and Corky are reps of the supporters clubs so of course they want bigger crowds. Also They have probably told me the hierarchy that Blue would mean an increase in crowds which simply hasn’t happened so probably look a tad silly as many of our fans do over such points like this and bigger than Barcelona nonsense.
260,000 fans registered is not realistic. I’m registered in 5 addresses. My brother in 2. They are not 260,000 separate people.
1.2 million people within 10 miles of Cardiff?
I would suggest 1.2 million within 30 miles of cardiff is more accurate. Cardiff’s population is under 500k. How many are students though with no interest in football. As you push out 30 miles West Wales’ only Premiership team becomes a factor.
We have a large male population. We see that every time Wales play rugby when hundreds of thousands go to watch the game or are in the surrounding area. While we are a culture so steeped in rugby we won’t get numbers To football.
Fair play you tried to answer,but now I know why you struggled to.
Bullshit regarding money, the prices we are charging won't get him any transfer money
Warnock always knew we had passionate support years ago and at all the meetings he has been told do well and the stadium will be packed, so he's wondering where everyone still is ? ?
Vince never and I talk to Vince Alm 4 times a week, he is honestly dismayed like me about our poor crowds, its actually hurting him and he's in shock as he is wondering are we really a big club?
Corky is only a Rep for Wales.
Well 260,000 are registered and if you took away 1000,000 just for you,there would still be 160,000.
Tim aka Lawnmower got the population stats from Council 1.2mill
Rugby nothing to do with it one bit.
We had 22,500 season ticket holders in Premier League with a waiting list.
10,000 GLORY HUNTERS Vanished it went down to 12,500.
Sadly we are not that big a club, Rebrand did hurt us badly and we have to many Glory hunters who actually don't support Cardiff City and I hope the prices go sky high on them if we are promoted.
Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:00 pm
Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:03 pm
WelshPatriot wrote:Population of Cardiff is 340k of which they estimate 40k are students.
You can write off population of Newport they have their own club.
Rhonnda is 240k.
Quite where that 1.2million figure has come from I don't know.
Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:07 pm
maccydee wrote:WelshPatriot wrote:Population of Cardiff is 340k of which they estimate 40k are students.
You can write off population of Newport they have their own club.
Rhonnda is 240k.
Quite where that 1.2million figure has come from I don't know.
Cardiff Metropolitan Area which encompasses quite a bit of South Wales.