Forever Blue wrote:maccydee wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Forever Blue wrote:maccydee wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:maccydee wrote:Steve the Tea TM (c) wrote:The harsh fact is this: during our promotion season under Malky we averaged 23,000 and yet this season we are pleased to get 17,000. Simply put we've lost 6,000 fans a game.
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They liked the red.
We have lost fans since going back to blue.
I’m off to hide.
Before you do Neil i recall you saying that the fans would return when we started winning again.
So.........?
Our crowds are up on last year.
Not by much at all Neil and way down on when Malky got us promoted.
First the away support coming here has doubled.
Second We have reduced prices massively.
And 3rd the main point City being Second,Top and in the Top Three for Five months, even my local village the crowds would go up
Why are City,Neil Warnock and Vince Alm continually begging for bigger crowds and even stating how let down they are?
Some honesty Neil please?
City have 260,000 so called fans registered, where are they?
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1.2mill people with in 10 miles of Cardiff and of course including Cardiff, with NO competition?
Neil Warnock is asking for bigger crowds as he is the manager of our club and knows more crowds equals more money potentially in January to spend but more crucially less hassle in the summer when Our premiership payments stop. Plus he’s an old fashioned manager who knows more fans equals more noise.
Vince and Corky are reps of the supporters clubs so of course they want bigger crowds. Also They have probably told me the hierarchy that Blue would mean an increase in crowds which simply hasn’t happened so probably look a tad silly as many of our fans do over such points like this and bigger than Barcelona nonsense.
260,000 fans registered is not realistic. I’m registered in 5 addresses. My brother in 2. They are not 260,000 separate people.
1.2 million people within 10 miles of Cardiff?
I would suggest 1.2 million within 30 miles of cardiff is more accurate. Cardiff’s population is under 500k. How many are students though with no interest in football. As you push out 30 miles West Wales’ only Premiership team becomes a factor.
We have a large male population. We see that every time Wales play rugby when hundreds of thousands go to watch the game or are in the surrounding area. While we are a culture so steeped in rugby we won’t get numbers To football.
Fair play you tried to answer,but now I know why you struggled to.
Bullshit regarding money, the prices we are charging won't get him any transfer money
Warnock always knew we had passionate support years ago and at all the meetings he has been told do well and the stadium will be packed, so he's wondering where everyone still is ? ?
Vince never and I talk to Vince Alm 4 times a week, he is honestly dismayed like me about our poor crowds, its actually hurting him and he's in shock as he is wondering are we really a big club?
Corky is only a Rep for Wales.
Well 260,000 are registered and if you took away 1000,000 just for you,there would still be 160,000.
Tim aka Lawnmower got the population stats from Council 1.2mill
Rugby nothing to do with it one bit.
We had 22,500 season ticket holders in Premier League with a waiting list.
10,000 GLORY HUNTERS Vanished it went down to 12,500.
Sadly we are not that big a club, Rebrand did hurt us badly and we have to many Glory hunters who actually don't support Cardiff City and I hope the prices go sky high on them if we are promoted.
Annis those stats are public record. I looked at the same stats. That’s where I got the population for Cardiff. Cardiff Metropolitan Area is bigger than 10 miles. It includes Ponty, Caerphilly, taffs well, Penarth. It’s more like 30 miles.
The people who tell Warnock that said the same about the Blue. It’s hopeful to the extreme. By seasons end we will have bigger crowds.
The rebrand had a positive effect on attendances. Our crowds were higher the two years in red. Just so happens those were the years we won the Championship and were in the Premiership. The year after in red we were still quite high which was due to expectation of a positive championship campaign after Ole splashing The cash and building what many called the best squad we have seen.
Then as success went the crowds dwindled until this year when they are actually up. How you say it’s nothing to do with success is beyond me? If we stay up there crowds will increase. Why they aren’t as big as our promotion years is due to a number of things I think.
1) our season ticket sales are lower due to no way of artificially raising them. (No cup finals or play off finals for a while) this impacts as people are out of the habit of buying them and spend money on other things.
2) we have only actually had a couple of months of success. Many are expecting and waiting for the bubble to burst. Hopefully it won’t happen.
3) big signings pre season start momentum. We haven’t had a preseason of big signings since Ole’s preseason of buying everything that moved.
4) habit. People are just out of habit of going. Money is tight and people can’t justify it. Think about it if people did stop going they maybe will now have to convince a partner that instead of going to town/cinema etc on a Saturday they now want to go watch football again. Not easy at all.
5) more people working Saturdays
6) success of Wales. We can talk about the highs of FA Cup finals and the like but what about the success Wales have had. Not only have we had larger numbers watching Wales Home but also significantly more watching them away. This includes the Euros which cost a helluva lot of money for a lot of people. Also, Cardiff Home to Ipswich is simply not as exciting as Belgium in the quarter finals.
7) When cardiff were flying high it was unchartered territory for so many of our fans. We got used to it after five years up the top of the Championship then finally a promotion to the promised land. Now we are back in the Championship it is simply not exciting. Why do you think we normally take a decent crowd to a team we haven’t played for a while?
Notice none of those reasons involve the rebrand? That’s cos it has fack all to do with it. There are many who say that’s the reason why but that’s because it’s far more convenient than the above.