Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:15 pm
Cardiffblue92 wrote:dogfound wrote:{ break down the lad culture } why cant you just go and enjoy the football and accept people for who they are without wanting to change things.?
this ladophobia does my head in.
I do go to enjoy the football, but I think there's a clear lack of acceptance that there is a problem here. In fairness everyone on this post has been nothing but accepting of other people at the club and I feel this reflects the club as a whole. But in football generally there is a clear problem where LGBT players and other fans aren't comfortable being themselves and for some reason people don't want to accept that it is a problem. 'Lads' aren't the ones being discriminated against here.
Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:13 pm
Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:26 pm
Scruffy wrote:I dont think many fans care bout Sexuality of the fellow fans or players and in my opinion nor should they, theyre here to watch a game of football after all. Of course you get the odd chant at Brighton which if I'm correct have been punished or put under investigation.
But I dont believe football in this country is in the dark ages over sexual preferences and we are up to date with the rest of society. In the ten years ive been going down I think women get more abuse than the LGBT community and even thats calm down in the past couple of years.
The issue is not everyone's going to be accepting, everyone's got there own views but in my honest opinion the vast majority of are accepting
Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:58 pm
What exactly do you class as the 'dark ages?'. To be absolutely honest with you the last thing on my mind when I attend football match is why aren't there more gay players or why am I not sitting next to an openly gay fan?
Frankly I couldn't care less about it as I go to a football matches to watch games of football and not to campaign for social change.
I would also add I have never witnessed open hostility towards anyone because of their sexuality. There are the Brighton chants but they are said in banter the same as when the linesman's eyesight is questioned, is that really causing offence to every fan wearing glasses in the stadium?
The 'problem' these days is everyone has the potential to be offended about something. Maybe the answer is for fans like you to stop inventing problems which aren't there. If a player or fan wants his sexuality to be known then they will do that but then they then also have a responsibility to stop making other fans feel uncomfortable because they are afraid to open their mouths in case something is taken out of context.
Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:18 pm
Cardiffblue92 wrote:What exactly do you class as the 'dark ages?'. To be absolutely honest with you the last thing on my mind when I attend football match is why aren't there more gay players or why am I not sitting next to an openly gay fan?
Frankly I couldn't care less about it as I go to a football matches to watch games of football and not to campaign for social change.
I would also add I have never witnessed open hostility towards anyone because of their sexuality. There are the Brighton chants but they are said in banter the same as when the linesman's eyesight is questioned, is that really causing offence to every fan wearing glasses in the stadium?
The 'problem' these days is everyone has the potential to be offended about something. Maybe the answer is for fans like you to stop inventing problems which aren't there. If a player or fan wants his sexuality to be known then they will do that but then they then also have a responsibility to stop making other fans feel uncomfortable because they are afraid to open their mouths in case something is taken out of context.
Again I'll say that I think Cardiff is very accepting as a club and I have never been subject to abuse and like everyone else I go to games to watch the football, not talk about my sexuality. I was only writing about the idea of an LGBT group as there are lots of clubs who are now creating their own and wanted to see what our fans thought of the idea. I was hoping that would create a discussion more about the game as a whole, not just at Cardiff.
In regards to what you said about players coming out...that is not the case at all. There is not a single gay player in any professional league in the country, statistically that simply doesn't add up. When you have agents and people like Amal Fashanu coming forward to say they know of professional players who are gay and who are depressed and live in fear for people finding out their identity...surely that's a problem isn't it? What if one of those players turned out to be one of ours, would you support that player or would you tell him he's part of the problem because he's too easily offended?
Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:34 pm
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Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:24 pm
Cardiffblue92 wrote:dogfound wrote:{ break down the lad culture } why cant you just go and enjoy the football and accept people for who they are without wanting to change things.?
this ladophobia does my head in.
I do go to enjoy the football, but I think there's a clear lack of acceptance that there is a problem here. In fairness everyone on this post has been nothing but accepting of other people at the club and I feel this reflects the club as a whole. But in football generally there is a clear problem where LGBT players and other fans aren't comfortable being themselves and for some reason people don't want to accept that it is a problem. 'Lads' aren't the ones being discriminated against here.
Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:30 pm
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:36 am
Steve Zodiak wrote:Cardiffblue92 wrote:dogfound wrote:{ break down the lad culture } why cant you just go and enjoy the football and accept people for who they are without wanting to change things.?
this ladophobia does my head in.
I do go to enjoy the football, but I think there's a clear lack of acceptance that there is a problem here. In fairness everyone on this post has been nothing but accepting of other people at the club and I feel this reflects the club as a whole. But in football generally there is a clear problem where LGBT players and other fans aren't comfortable being themselves and for some reason people don't want to accept that it is a problem. 'Lads' aren't the ones being discriminated against here.
Could you give us an example of when and in what way you have been discriminated against at the CCS simply because of who you are. Could it be the case that LGBT players don't see the need to tell the world of their sexual preferences, and could it also be that the majority of us fans are not in the slightest bit interested in their sexual preferences?
Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:42 pm